Guitar Hero CHEATER Fakes Runs To Steal Cash Bounties 

Brother man, knowing nothing about this community and just seeing the intro and your movements... I thought *you* were the cheater xDDD Y'all move so quick it's mind blowing to watch~

the man, the beast, the legend.

Your gameplay was absolutely incredible bro

as soon as i saw you playing I knew this video was gonna be way better

Why do you speedrunners say the word "community" so much? Can't you say other words? The "community" sounds like the "gay community" too much. It's very cringey

lol I love your prof pic dude. Is that little guy from a show? Or is he _the ghostforce_ or something? It's...weirdly adorable for some reason!

@@idontwantahandlethough That was a cockroach from a Spongebob Episode where he has Mermaid Man's belt which has a shrink ray.

@@Mammonocalypse I wumbo you wumbo, he she me, wumbo, wumboing, wumboligy the study of wumbo

@@ChrisP999 Hmm... I wonder if this fall is high enough to kill me

Why do I love your fake transparent background? Lol

On the bright side. When this happens there's always a record gold rush

Yep…

The most disgusting thing of all was his attempt to make himself a sacred cow by playing the victim card and saying that past trauma was the catalyst for all of this. It completely undermines any sincerity in the apology and also is a flagrant insult to people whom HAVE experienced actual trauma.

@@blakfloyd classic sociopath shit.

@@issadraco532 God, your comment is *insufferable.* What an egomaniac.

Nice work, Jobu!

Big brain moment!

Karl Jobst: Am I a JOKE to you?

Dude, that's so cool! What an ingenious way to turn something negative into a positive! It's like a special challenge lol I really like that. Smart thinkin, good luck :)

The Schmooey Challenge.

always glad to see people making the best of a bad situation

What's crazy is that I feel like Schmooey could have actually gotten those FCs with enough time. Unfortunately he was just more focused on stealing that bounty money.

“Can you beat the hacker?”

In many ways cheating at the top competitive level is less about replacing skill and more as a substitute for impatience and frustration, someone knowing they are skilled enough they "could" get a time, but coming up short so much they begin to feel entitled as a good player to tip the scale in their favor.

Karl Jobst once said, “speed runners don’t cheat to get better times, they cheat to get better times faster” or something like that. This is the same concept

@@Purriah Speaking of Karl Jobst, he's also making a video on Schmooey

@@Purriah I think the quote was "speedrunners don't cheat to get faster times, they cheat to get times faster" but I could be wrong

This isn't even limited to speedrunning. Consider how many major league baseball players have been caught using steroids, and then think about how many times you've heard of a minor league baseball player using steroids. The people at the top are often more susceptible to the temptation to cheat than the ones lower down.

Ok I’m glad you cleared this up this was my biggest anticipation

He only gave the money back because he was caught, otherwise he wouldn’t have.

@@DoktrDub Obviously? He still gave it back though, unlike other caught cheaters. You know, exactly what OP said?

@@DoktrDub he could have just went off the radar but he didn't

The guy himself apologized too which sounded more genuine than most apologies, he wasn't like Trackmania player Riolu

This video was so well made, thank you for covering this topic in a good manner!

The new GOAT

Copycat!

@@DT_Worlds_Strongest_Goth oof

kekw

He might have never done that if he wasn't caught, so that's something

He was probably afraid of possible lawsuits

Damn

@@jordanlarson6488 what??

@@Spunney he committed fraud

are u the tfm player stuckerrs?

Well aren't you a drama queen.

@@vincentv9338 He's not wrong tho-

thats so fucked.......

its just fuckin guitar hero lmao...literally doesn't matter

often top runners get frustrated with trying to reach a new goal, that they feel like should be reachable for them, but yet it doesn't get reached for so long. Most in this case don't cheat ofc, but some may slip and in peak of frustration decide to cheat it away. If they don't stop themselves, and they manage to get at least one cheated run on the leaderboard and not get caught - then they may feel bad, but also they will know that cheating is an option, and it becomes mentally easier to repeat the process again. And it's unlikely that they will come clean after such a bad thing they've done. All it can really take is one slip of judgement, and then it would all go downhill. Trackmania cheating scandal was quite a remarkable show of how one uncaught cheating top runner may cause others to cheat as well, including many well meaning people that just got frustrated and suspicious of said top runner, and that lead them to the path of cheating back their top spots.

Many ppl cheat to complete their goals faster. The wait takes too long.

MONEY. why do u think so many streamers cheat..

@Kuurokuro there is a difference between cheating in a single player game and cheating in a Speedrun/competition based game, cheating in a single player game isn't an issue.

D R E A M

Then again, we see the exact same patterns with nearly every single cheater... Deny that you're cheating, admit a small portion as a compromise, realize the accusations won't stop, (optionally blame the moderators for overreacting) admit more, get caught completely, make an apology video where you blame childhood trauma, skip over the actual lies and issues such as being so toxic to others in the community by bragging how much better you are than they are and then expect forgiveness... Fascinating how nearly all follow the same path, nearly all show clear signs of narcissism and nearly all abuse the trust and friendship of those around them to reach that point.

@@someguy4915 yeah. I think, similar to other issues (like, say, drug abuse) people end up cheating for a variety of reasons, and there are many different types of personalities and situations that end up cheating (or addicted). There is no single profile for all cheaters. I think there are a slice of cheaters, maybe Schmooey included, where it's possible for them to make amends and move on without cheating again. It's definitely super common to see the Billy Mitchell archetype (absolute denial, burning friends and allies, almost delusional, some amount of charisma and charm), or the other common archetype of cheater which you describe (admit to some small transgression or innocent mistake which invalidates a single run or something, get caught cheating again, then blame some unconnected issue like a mental health condition or stress...). I have my doubts for these kind of cheaters, that they can be trusted to play honestly in the future. They rarely admit to what they did, or try to make amends. One of the benefits of these people is that the community tends to respond by implementing standards that make it harder to cheat, meaning future records are more reliably legit. People are often make the decision to cheat based on whether or not they think they will get caught.

porple

One thing is that the people in the call with him aren't "moderators" of the game like mods in speedrun , com, They were close friends with him and they're also top players of the game. But yeah, crazy that he kept lying and lying about it until it was out there to the whole community and then he finally admitted it fully.

@@Mammonocalypseits nice that you got your money back

All liars are like this sadly

People who have to cheat rarely make sense when explaining themselves which is a instant give away

Just because someone has a reason they did something bad, doesn't usually mean they should be excused from punishment or criticism

yeah, know nothing about guitar hero, I think I get the gist of it. still don't understand the thing about ascending and descending notes strat

After summoning salt retires?

I was literally only subbed to riolu for 1 month before he was found out. Quite a shame tbh cause I was enjoying his content

At least Schmooey apologised and handed back the money. Nobody’s heard a peep out of Riolu at all.

On a pretend guitar, yes

Like south park episode😂

Also, if you're interested in the GH community, pick one or two streamers to start with, and you'll find your way around the community from there. We don't bite. Well, usually we don't bite, just be nice. The community is actively going after most of the fc's that Schmooey faked, so if you're around you may see someone *actually* hit most of these songs that Schmooey faked.

Yo man. The third link and the last link is broken.

@@suchakreelaokom9494 thanks, I'll get those fixed

Why not? I mean, you're the one that made a callout video in the first place, you can't expect people to not go after him.

@@PixelGH pixel i know he was one of ur best friends, but hes a legit sociopath and used his knowledge to claim real money. if he hadnt been caught, worse chaos would probably ensue. saying dont even dare would not really help either because, well, its the internet and you cant really help it. i get he still has the good in him, but he really needs therapy to help him reconnect with society, or at least our community

I'm glad you like my outro!

@@Abyssoft hell yeah - the music choices in this were solid. A lot more tension/thematic

It's a common liar's strategy - admit a small misdeed and then claim that's the only thing you ever did wrong.

To be fair it works for some cheaters. Their records stay up because you can't prove they were faked.

holy shit! i cannot believe he actually earned YOUR sub! this is incredible news!!!! djentlee has actually given out a sub OH MY GOD!!!!!!!

@@Christopher-dd1ph LOL

@@makingadjustments The cheating was incredibly easy to miss..a few missed hand movements here and there. You'd actually have to go in and analyze it a couple frames at a time just to look for cheating which most aren't gonna do especially for someone they knew didn't cheat (or at least didn't start out cheating). Moderators only really hardcore look into submissions like this if they have reason to believe it's fake which they didn't at the time, if they looked into every submission with a toothpick and a comb they'd take ages just adding submissions to the board..which isn't ideal for the community. Don't blame the community for someone else's action..he shouldn't of been cheating, that's his fault., and most of the community isn't acting as moderators thus they aren't looking for proof of cheating..if you wanna blame ANYONE for him cheating so long blame him and the moderators who he FRIENDED to get away with it (you never assume your friends are doing messed up shit like cheating and stealing money).

To be fair, Cheat Engine can be good for practice. I run a game where there's no native way to speed up the gameplay, and it can be used to manipulate RNG for tests/routing, which has come in handy for me. In this case, it shouldn't have been necessary since there's a native way to slow down and practice as Abyssoft says, but it is actually useful in other games, and legitimate speedrunners do use it too.

Also to note having cheat engine in itself does not inheritably mean they were cheating. It does in this case of course but for example seeing cheat engine on the desktop of someone who speedruns can appear damming. However they could also be figuring out how the game works so they can create auto splitters or load removers. Or using cheats to theory craft tricks or routes.

@@RichterVonFuchs it's also used by modders to find addresses (like in with translation patches for doujin games) and by data hunters to, well, find unused data! Honestly it's gone way farther than "simply" gameshark/action replay for PC

Cheat Engine is a Memory viewing and manipulation tool. It is designed to be a cheat tool that lets you modify things like lives, health, game speed... etc... but since its initial development has grown to be so much more. It uses can range from cheating in a game, data mining for auto splitters, reverse engineering software, Q&A stress testing and much much more. The name has stuck and hence when its heard about or seen due to its name its "instant proof" but that is not the case. Having cheat engine on his PC wouldn't necessarily mean anything without the evidence of slow downs being used to link the two. So in this instance yes its funny that they actually used Cheat Engine to cheat and then try to deny it, but its just not a clear cut case of "Cheat Engine" = Cheater.

To be fair Cheat Engine has a lot of legitimate uses as well. I used to speedrun DS1 (don't worry, I'm garbage, lmao) and for a while the run I was practicing was all about getting a specific weapon to drop (Black Knight Halberd). It's only like a 15% or so chance to drop from one black knight early-ish in the run, so if you were grinding for WR you would just reset if it didn't drop. However, for practice most speedrunners would just use cheat engine to force spawn it if it didn't drop so they could at least practice the run.

cheating in single-player doesnt ruin the integrity because you make the rules

like tf2 like why cheay

I remember back when using cheats in goldeneye made you the talk of the town, now if you install cheat engine on ur pc, you have to go door to door and have an awkward conversation with your neighbor and cant be within 20 feet of a gym or shower

Except unlike him, he didn’t sue the people that expose him, and gave all of the stolen bounties back to their rightful owners.

@@ZenokweiAka Also unlike him, he didn't sue Cartoon Network for making him explode.

yeah dude the top players have years and years of practice

Yeah it’s one of those things you gotta practice ALOT, you get so familiar with the patterns and techniques that the game literally slows down for you. To have the skill and be consciously aware of the 10 buttons you gotta press in the next 2 seconds takes concentration and patience that I don’t have. I smoke too much weed lmao

Dude what are you talking he is not even close to being capable of doing any of the stuff he was uploading and will never be he already reached his genetic speed cap he isn't getting any faster and his fastest isn't even that fast definitely no where near fast enough to do any of the things he uploaded

@@sinastry3684 I’ve been heavily in the clone hero community for 5 years. People in the community think the same as me. There’s also that this is a 2 month old comment and other stuff has transpired since this comment

@@sinastry3684 There was still a large handful of FC's he couldve obtained with patience, but it was ignorance. We've seen him perform live, and even tho he couldve quite do the same stuff off stream, he was still really talented, but in hindsight there's also a lot of FC's that he wouldnt be able to obtain.

"As someone who has shot guns for the better part of 30 years those shooting games are laughable" "As someone who has (anything), this movie about (anything) is laughable" Low IQ take.

True. Its like south park episode.

I disagree. I think because it's a viable method for cheating the game, it could be used as supporting evidence. it's a nice addition. I was familiar with the story, and had not seen that clip also

I was thinking the same thing however it's mainly to illustrate that there's proof the game was slowed down and cheat engine can do this and that cheat engine was installed. It could have been presented better in the video. It kind of made it seem like merely having cheat engine was the problem. But If he wasn't cheating in the first place I don't think anyone would have ever learned or cared about him having it installed

this, isnt Karl....

@@TheGaming100 no shit, Sherlock