The Biggest Cheater In Guitar Hero History Was Finally Caught 

I would like to avoid alcohol poisoning, thanks

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If we did you'd kill us :)

@@bonnibloop_ Drink water instead.

Boop

I think the initial denial is a mostly natural response of fear to avoid complete humiliation and embarrassment and is something most of us will do when we're caught lying. Like you, I also give him props for said aspects, especially returning the stolen bounties that rightfully belong to others.

@@Veginite Yeah. It's important to remember the stakes from his point of view. It's easy to think it's about pride, money, fame, etc, but at the end of the day, coming clean means losing the entire community that you've been a part of for years. All those friendships gone in an instant. And if this was his only social circle, it means total isolation. His actions at the end suggest that he's not a total ass, though, so I'm hopeful that this will be a valuable learning experience for him and he'll come out the other side better for it.

it literally sounds like the start of an anime villains redemption arc

Red Guitar Redemption

It takes several years for him to admit he's cheating and then he finally does what he should have done long ago and what you have to say is "There's hope for him"? Is there though? I'd call this theft of the highest order and he should be put in jail just like everyone else who steals. Just because he's not stealing a physical thing, it's not different.

that's just AdvyStyles (he goes by GuitarHeroStyles in some places and he got revealed to be a pedo)

So true 🥵😫😩🦨

Ong 🤚🤚🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

He is the Badman.

Stolen comment yikes

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I mean for that section he'd have to hold down the orange and green while hitting the middle notes, but in the video he's holding down green only which wouldn't work in a real run

I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be looking at 😂

@@kickiniitbak I'm glad I'm not the only one^^

he`s playing the right notes but not necessarily in the right order..Eric Morecambe.

"Update: I recently commenced a formal investigation on myself. The investigation has concluded, and I have found no evidence of wrongdoing."

I also enjoyed the caveat to there only being 4 instances of cheating - "as far as I know". Like, who else would know?

The Nixon administration of guitar hero

@@RyukUK FBI moment

​@@ChillavaKirbyor CIA

A lie never crumbles all at once, it slowly falls piece by piece.

and people in the comments here are giving credit to schmooey for owning up and paying back the bounties lol, when he was caught he only owned up to 4 cheated accomplishments before having pretty much his entire channel disputed. paying back the bounties is the morally correct thing to do and it shouldn't be applauded that he did what he should have done after stealing thousands of dollars. there is no sympathy from me.

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@@jayyy_doggg he is compliment because he wasnt force to doing that, he could disapear whit the money having no real punishiment. The fact that he did it shows a real intention to redemtion, and thats something to celebrate, if we dont give credit to those thing, then we are punishing redemtion which is not something we should ever do. Because if we do people are less likely to do the rigth thing at the end. He is a human who had the courage to try redemtion and thats something good. Sorry for bad english.

@@jayyy_doggg some people are demented and haplessly pathetic

Got a chuckle outa me

@@Pyro-0369 you're welcome

How long were you sitting on that one?

@@moviemaker2011z when I started watching the video.

@@turtleo4732 well then I applaud you sir for a good joke.

They're usually modded.

@@PiroKUSS they did actually use originals up until a couple years ago, just with slight mods. A few years ago, Xplorers (White angled bodies) were the meta, and those were usually completely base. Then there was the Wii Revolution, which brought forth wii guitars but those were only minorly modified, and were just made better due to an adaptor for where the wii remote would ping in. Recently however, yeah, most of the internals are very very custom

yep they are absolute beasts of equipment! especially the xbox guitar hero 3 les paul. the only weak point was the contacts in the neck which could be fixed with solder. things are absolute tanks

The GP2040-CE open source controller firmware project has at least one person working on supporting the Wii guitars, so that also paves the way for interesting optimisation down the line.

Meanwhile Rock Band Stratocasters seem to be way off meta, not least because of mushy feedback on both the strumbar and the frets

It's especially a shame he did so since he would actually go to events and hang out with other really good players, and he was still a very good player, he was just obsessed with being the absolute best at it.

Reminds me of "I recognize that gay blowjob!" It's just so absurd that he actually caught it. The absolute legend.

@@valentinemiller8680 sounds oddly similar to Trackmania Riolu

what note? I still don't understand this comment. and how it has 800 likes without anyone questioning it

@@meraak1 It was a single note within one song across his entire speedrun's that caused the dude who discovered Schmooey's deception. That's an insane attention to detail, which really highlights how difficult it must be to catch cheated runs without the right technical analysis.

Tested to one zillion button presses.

Now if i could just play all my games using the guitar.

@@moshunit96 1200 APM

Not really, players at this level burn through them fast.

Well they are membrane buttons. Just a silicon thing with conductive pads inside that slap onto a circuit board. Very very durable but the silicone pads still wear out pretty fast, about 1 yearish of consistent top level play. But most top players poke holes in the silicon to make the buttons easier to press so those players need to replace that every 3-6 months if that. The strum bar also begins to over sturm pretty fast (do more inputs then you play), so you need to do stuff like put tape inside them to stop them from doing that So most guitars you see (unless they are recently made custom controllers) are probably just held together by ducktape and the dreams of children.

Yea, or maybe its not just that, maybe he just wanted to be noticed and validated

@L Did you miss the part where he played alongside other people in person? He was good - he just wasn't the best

It's like what Karl said in another video. Some of these players are so fixated on a perfect run or a high score they forgot they are supposed to have fun.

MoNeY

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v if he were so bad, he would have been spotted immediately and had egg on his face day one

he at least did admit to it and gave all the money he got from the bounties. I have some respect for him because he did that. He could have not given back the money or not admitted it and just ghosted the community like Riolu did for Trackmania

Tell that to billy mitchell lol

i.e. "I'm sorry I got caught."

​@incongruous4 he could have deleated all his accounts without saying anything or tried sueing people wich would both be worse He also could have not given back the bounty money

that's what I said above the 11k liked comment on top... nothing honorable about all that after the fact. saving face, otherwise how are you gonna step another foot into the internet as a personality. totally agree with you.

Same with crime

"The best players are the best cheaters", at these speeds, playing roughly right is borderline indistinguishable from a correct play, based on 30-60fps video alone.

Especially when at high level you're running your fingers across the frets. You're hitting a lot of extra notes as you glide; since GH doesn't care if hammer ons and pull offs hits a wrong note. So, finding fake taps is hard

@@backlogbuddies But looking back at the footage of schmooey's game play now, it's actually just blatant. But, since "it was schmooey" we just assumed nothing wrong of foul play because we thought he already showed us constant high level play.

@@Rude_i_Wredne My English teacher said it well. The ones who would need to cheat, don't know how to do it well, but the ones who can cheat well, basically wouldn't need to cheat at all

Also helps with a few of the techniques cover the buttons

checkmark dont care (this is a JOKE)

Acai! Love you.

hello brown man

Papa acai

how is rosey doing?

Especially when they use the phrase "that im aware of". Its an immediate red flag that theres more.

@Stewie Griffin go outside

*cough* dream *cough*

Yep. Absolute worst thing you can say. Either deny it completely or admit to it.

Cops use this technique in interrogation science as well.

I got into a music program in middle school because of the game! I didn’t keep up with it fully, but it was such a chill experience to be surrounded by a lot of musicians and kids my age eager to master their instruments.

As a drummer, I wish I can play guitar more than any other instruments after playing guitar hero when i was a kid.

@@tompramanaaccount8892 As a guitarist, playing drums on Rock Band made me question if I should've been a drummer

@@mattimus13 rockband drum parts and notes is pretty spot on in terms of accuracy of the real drum, I assure you if you can play drum in rockband on the hardest difficulty (with the drum controller of course), you can play drums in real life too with a little bit of practice. On guitar hero, it's different story.

Thats good to hear! With all those hours of practice on the game they could actually learn the instrument. Glad some did

I play games but I don't play the majority of the games he talks about. It is so interesting to me too

Same here it's relaxing when I'm stressed lol

As we’ve seen in the past, that’s not nearly the “least he could do.” He could’ve gone off the grid with the money, or worse fought back and cause a rift in the community using a Harvard astrophysicist or something and then just pretended it didn’t happen…

It's more than you can say for most others.

That was a snipe at Dream wasn’t it 😂😂😂 I’ve been curious about the result of that. Did they nail down something irrefutable? Or did they squeeze a confession out of him?

@@Drako2k0 It was more of a jab at caught cheaters in general. But the fact that you pulled a specific example from my very vague description just goes to show how common people like Dream are.

@@da_pikmin_coder8367 Quite common yes, general rule of thumb, for every one caught, there's 10 more still at large. lol. but my reply was more aimed at zachary, his example seemed pretty pointed. I dunno why my reply failed to @ him.

So "Schmooey" would be a funny way of saying fraud lmao

No fucking way lmao

Hab ich noch nie gehört? Ist das n Dialekt? Edit: NVM it's true it means something along the lines of (light) scam so that's really funny 😂

Ye

names have power

This is the reason I don't buy the "faked moon landing" or JFK conspiracies. The same damn thing can happen there.

And the video's sponsor suggests a way of dealing with 'the bush' too. I'll show myself out....

Good quote

some cheaters just want to have fun

but you can't cheat in real life, or is there?

@@truthboom Child slavery

He stole my dissertation! Lol so what, it's just math.

Gonna cry?

Especially when there is money involved (like in this case).

It's like how LCK (Korean League of Legends circuit) peaked at 759,000 concurrent viewers yesterday, hit a record of over 3.5 million a few months ago, and there's hundreds of millions, possibly $$billions over all worldwide regions and media types, at play in that game alone. But I still hear some players say "it's just a game." Pro gaming is no joke. All this time, this guy was stealing the spotlight from whoever would have been the actual best player. In fact, his unrealistic expectations maybe have had long term or even irreparable damage to the community. Taking the wind out of up and coming players' sails, discouraging new records, etc. It would be like finding irrefutably that all six Michael Jordan championships were rigged or something. The sheer damage that would deal to this history of basketball would be unfathomable. Even LeBron James wears #23 because of Jordan. The game would never be the same.

Hate that argument too, whether it's speedrunning or any game casual or serious. If it's "just a game," why cheat?

A G R E E D

Same here except it was bass for me and I transitioned to Rocksmith from GH before playing without any game. Also, while I was already into rock and metal, it added so much to my music collection

"Frame by frame analysis" 😭

oh interesting fact! thanks for sharing the info

I mean knowing what he did now it makes sense but I wouldnt think twice of someone having cheat engine on their computer. Wouldnt say much on its own imo.

This is a trivial detail though lol

@@RenewedRS Yeah i know, as i said, in hindsight knowing what he did it was pretty obvious.

Can you confirm this caused suspicion before other evidence emerged? There would be Discord logs or something similar. It fits with the evidence but it's trivial without prior suspicions or the benefit of hindsight. Tons of legitimate uses for memory hacking software, many outside of games. It's named "Cheat Engine" because a common use is advantage in single-player games. It's also used for modding games with new features, fixing bugs in old/abandoned software and removing obsolete/intrusive/dangerous DRM. Speedhacking without disclosure for speedruns or high scores is extremely rare.

Same, my sister pulled it out once as a kid and or rockband whatever one it was and everyone was playing but I got booed off the stage on the first song and stopped playing immediately afterwards. My sister kept trying to convince me to play but I wouldn't do it lol. She still won't let me live it down but whenever she's had a boss fight she couldn't beat in a game I somehow manage to do it oftentimes on my first try and she hates me for it so it evens out lol

Glad you pointed this out, he literally learns how to play the game, researches speedrunning strats and game mechanics, and then explains it to viewers in a way where they can understand even if they never touched the game. Must delay a video's release date the dedication really adds to the quality.

Karl is honestly more of a journalist than most other modern journalists for this reason alone. The dedication he has to the craft and to immersing himself in whatever topic he’s researching is incredibly admirable. It’s a shame there aren’t more people like him in the profession

When your talking about something it helps to do the research.

I didn't see Karl doing any fence clip attempts however 😉

As someone who might not be nearly as good as the people shown in the video but still goes for high tier FCs on expert I can guarantee that Karls progress here is astonishingly fast. The medium FC he gets in the end is by no means easy, most of my friends cant FC a song on easy after several weeks. He really is an awesome allround gamer.

Literally watched one of my best friends play it without looking at the TV and get 2 1000 note streaks in it

And everyone applauded.

@@tokivikerness8863 can't tell if you're trying to be THAT guy or not

@@NaughtiusMaximmus I don't know. The guy that thinks the original story is absurd? Or is the "applauded" thing out of date? I'm 33 cut me some slack.

@@tokivikerness8863 the guy that thinks the original story is absurd. I'm probably just being weird about it tho, sorry

either multiple years or a few weeks, its almost random with how old most of them are

Couple months at best. They either find wii guitars for cheap or order Arduinos from this guy named Super Katana that are made for this sort of thing

they dont last very long lmao, I can say from experience

I still have a GH2 Xplorer guitar that I've had for about 8 years now still going strong. Obviously I'm no pro but it has at least 1000 hours of Expert plays in there

It varies pretty wildly. I don't play GH but since my rhythm game of choice is a little more violent on the controller (Taiko, lol)... I think I can say that there's a few factors. If you have a cheap knockoff controller that you use to grind Full Combos 16 hours a day and also sometimes use as a makeshift weapon for home intruders, it'll only last a few months, just under a year maybe. But if you get lucky with manufacturing, take care of your controller, and only play at this level every other weekend gently with the boys, it can definitely last you a few years, easily.

Aand many kids that are 20 now spent half of their life playing LoL and still aren't that great at it, I didn't play myself that long but I played some games for years without being good.

I seriously wonder how the fuck can people play one game more than 300 hours without mods, i guess i just have limited attention span.

@@ABIADAB I quickly checked my Steam (I have more games but no playtime count) and I found twelve games with over 300 hours but even I feel like I have a really short attention span, I don't play a game for over an hour in one sitting.

@@ABIADAB I've put about that much time into Civilization 5. Of course, the average time I've had for each game is about 12 hours., so it adds up.

Being the greatest Guitar Hero play is still not comparable to being the greatest real guitar playing. Guitar skills gets girls. Videos games don't.

Since when did you got a checkmark?

@@rahirz4234 true when did he got check mark, and when did he changed his pfp.

hi

It made me laugh ngl.

Holy fuck you're here too

Hi Nathaniel

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Finally someone mentions Rock Band it always gets overshadowed by Guitar Hero when Rock Band is so much better

@@LucDaMan4 I always felt guitar hero had the much better UI but rock band had much more official looking charts

@@Skarz1989 True the main thing for me is that I can play with my family and the singing option in Rock Band 4 is so underrated and I love i

Release the full four minutes and we'll know *exactly* what to look for.

In homage.

I was waiting for the Media Player UI to show up at the end 😂

@@timlarsson 9fc2

@@timlarsson DUDE, It would've been hilarious 😂😂😂

Just like Hans Niemann

Or he could just practice and git gud

Really makes u reconsider all speed runners in general because there are better liars better editors smarter cons that are too respected speed runners that haven’t been caught yet

and be better at maths

​@@kanoaikawach he actually really is good, just wasn't happy not being the best.

Hes also quite young, so he can get away with it.

Great mention that he refunded, he also could've just ghosted.

nothing admirable about it, probably feared incoming lawsuits

@@kostyatszyu again. Could have ghosted. Most people wouldn’t sue and throw tens of thousands in legal fees at someone who owes them a fraction of that amount and most likely will just end up settling anyways.

@@kostyatszyu You can lawsuit donations? But hmm yeah maybe that I don't know.

I'm reading this directly after cheating on all my math homework lmao I feel called out

The cheating drama makes it even more enjoyable, I don't know what you're talking about

@Agent 39 cheating in a RHYTHM game makes no sense even when it's singleplayer

@@osuplaeyurreallygood cheaters don't need a reason to cheat. there is still a ton of athletes who cheat in the olympics. And that's displayed to the entire world having much higher stakes and money won than guitar hero, but its hard to tell without dna tests.

hope you're well, george

I know it's hard, but I know you can get through this!

he made thousand of dollars with his YT videos. cheater should be banned from using computers forever.

@@carlostelevida no?

@@carlostelevida calm down dude all the man did was cheat on a video game 💀

@@Bongbongo he stripped legit players the recognition they deserved for the grinding, it should mean nothing for you but for them it could even change their life forever, regards.

@@carlostelevida they can get their recognition now, nothing's been taken away. He didn't murder them. He even refunded people their money, and he left. The end. It's not that fuckin serious. You don't gotta take it that far.

ive only seen like 1 guitar hero video before this one and i really wanna try it but i dont got the plastic guitar

just more proof rockband is better, guitar hero is what call of duty was to battlefield

@@Tom3kkk What?

Hell, sometimes they are just fun to listen to! The song with the strumming just draws me in sometimes.

You should see OSU and Geometry Dash players as well, people on these games along with guitar hero are probably the most nuts community i've ever seen.. They are so dedicated..

Imagine Faker having cheats on League of Legends for the insane reaction timing on some of the games, especially the earlier seasons. FAKER IS NOT A CHEATER. Just a "what if" scenario.

The thing is even by giving the bounties back the people that reached legit didn't get the money

@@lightningteam8560 yeah, and some people may have given up the grind too. It's really disgusting, and I don't get why people are defending him because he gave the money back.

@@themanidentifiedasdinosaur8138 EVERY player would hear about it and I would be completely baffled.

And real winners were denied...

Literally came here to say the same thing but you worded it better lol.

I have no idea about community of speedrunning or hardcore play of particular games. And Karl can explain everything from basic game mechanism, current story/drama, history of the community and verdict of the topic so everyone can understand and enjoy the video. Simply doing god's work.

Well said. He does put things together well on here. I've been a fan ever since he covered the old Billy Mitchell dumpster fire.

It's also worth noting that it's beneficial for the society to allow people who did something wrong to be able to come clean, make amends and be welcomed back in the society. Otherwise they have no incentive to "be good" again, since then it leaves them with two options: a) come clean, be ostracized and never trusted again; b) don't come clean, maybe never be found out, and if you are then see a). This comes into play with rehabilitation and prisons - if society doesn't give convicts the second chance the only thing they are left with once they're out of prison is to do illegal stuff again. This comes into play with children - if coming clean after making a mistake results in a punishment, you may as well not admit to it and have the chance of avoiding it. This comes into play at work - if an employee makes a mistake they'll avoid coming clean, which will cost the company money but they may as well avoid being found out. So I agree, props to him for doing the right thing in the end and I hope he learns the lesson and becomes a better person from this.

20 isn’t very young.

@@MaurycyZarzycki always forgive your enemies, but remember their names

@@Duckbusinessman its only 2 years older than a legal adult in the U.S. and not even being able to legally drink yet. I'd say that 20 is still young.

@@thatoneboi9178 let’s be real learning to not cheat in life is something people should’ve figured out by 12. But that’s probably just me. It’s unbelievable that 15 year olds are still getting lured in by candy vans.

He could have disappeared with the money, but didn't. I think he really regretted what he did.

Just getting in too deep and couldn’t /or didn’t know how to get out. We’ve all been there with something in our lives. Definitely glad he did the right thing.

@@jflanagan9696 he wasn’t sorry for cheating, he was sorry for getting caught; granted he did the right thing, he still caused a lot of damage.

A rare case of a full confession with some contrition and reparations as well. The full harm can’t be reversed but I think he did what he could. Usually people caught in a huge lie deny it to the bitter end.

Right, he handled this way than most cheaters who will attack their accusers and continue to deny all of it despite everything, he even had the balls to return the money. It's honestly refreshing.

Very good point, it's hard to forgive the stolen time, no matter how much he did to correct his mistakes

Exactly, it’s good that he repaid everyone...but the bottom line is that he cheated.

he literally talked about that right after

Not to mention the insane amount of wasted time from his honest competitors, and the fact that he happily took thousands of dollars while he knew full well he was cheating. Cheating for glory and overlooking the people you're shutting out from that is one thing, but knowingly cheating to win money is straight up fraud.

@@tankerd1847 but what if spending 60 hours a week to achieve a world record in guitar hero is ALSO a waste of time? Just slightly less of a waste

@@RLee-we1fc clone hero

You have good taste in Pokémon. Umbreon is pretty cool

I woulda respected the hustle more

Imagine training for a tournament for months playing songs for hours and then hopefully to get the prize of a few grand and a guy just cheats and wins , a few years later he announced that he cheats and gives some but not all the money back to the rightful owners. If you got the money he stolen from you back, excited because you would have gone first place or maybe second but the Glory from it was taken away from you.

@@popeyboy5108 Derp.

@@shadowdaber284 sure, but he can't do that

At least he was after glory over money and gave away both (even though it was stolen)

Its often a combination of low self-esteem and desperation to move up the social ladder quickly

Y’all are soft lmao

@@vismattress5760 it’s just called being a nice person bro 💀

@@vismattress5760 I don't understand, explain what you're trying to say . xD

@@vismattress5760 You should practice empathy. And if you can't contribute anything meaning full to a conversation, just move along.

And here am I… feeling good for reaching warrior rank with marduk 😂😂

U cant be because im number 38

@@tysonfinn1470 oh, I haven't played in nearly two years. Should've specified. I ultimately gave up because it takes me well under two minutes to get an online match connected in MK or SF but well over 20 for Tekken! The net code works just fine once the match is connected but getting there got too frustrating. My theory is it only connects you with people who have the same dlc characters as you and I won't buy characters I have no interest in using.

i'm kind of just more confused that people use windows media player.

Just go find a TAS run online and upload it like it's your own. That'll do the trick. "THE MOST SHAMEFUL SPEEDRUNNING CHEATER IN HISTORY!!"

@@Xpwnxage I cant believe FlakFlash would ever do such a thing

@@Shawno625 yeah I truly and utterly trusted him

@@adopted996 Did you just assume this persons gender? How could you (sarc)

@@Shawno625 he even drank 2 coke bottles instead of one in his speedruns!!!!

Because he eventually admitted. You know. Not everyone got the BALLZ to admit it right away. Even when their crime is minor for the least.

To be fair, if he didnt give the money back, the people who paid him could sue the hell out of him.

You're acting like cheating at speedrunning is a crime nobody cares bro it's just a game

@@NUFCOfficial it's not a crime but it's frustrating. Nobody likes being lied to.

Most people would just carry on the lie no matter how obvious it has become and just go bigger as an attempt to waive suspicion. He did deny as long as reasonably possible, but then admitted when he knew he could just keep denying but it wasn’t worth it

Well I just looked at his fingers some bits didn't seem to line up with the notes

I'll give this guy props for actually refunding all his bounties, there's a LOT of people who wouldn't do that.

Billy Mitchell is the best gamer in his Era. I vividly recall him beating Mario Kart 64 in 1983, 13 years before the game was even released.

Completely agree. Yea, he did a horrible thing and deserves to be punished.. but I believe he will grow from this and I give him respect for admitting that what he did was wrong.

Not only confessing what suprised me the most is that he payed back the bounties.

Agreed! The fact that he confessed, apologised and paid back rewards is such a rare thing. So many bad people would do the opposite, double down on their claims and keep the cash. It's the best possible outcome of a bad situation, which is respectable. I would share a beer with this cheater and help them look forwards to a better future now that they've done the right thing.

and not only that, if you get people to hate you enough, you might just be famous enough for someone to mix your name with a synonym for fecese

considering the hours he put into the game it’s crazy to me how sloppy he got i reckon it was self sabotage driven by subconscious. guitar hero had an unhealthy influence he both did & didn’t want out

@@ts4gv I'm just surprised that it doesn't seem like anyone did detailed comparisons earlier. I would never cheat against competition in any game but if was going to cheat in GH, I'd be obsessively checking everything for days. Needing to mask off the notes from the rest of the UI would be obvious. As would validating the time ends up identical. Everything else surely gets harder to account for but this guy just did the bare minimum and got away with it for a decade. Pretty mind blowing.

It must be the world tour guitar aka the orange one terrible to use bc of the fragile strum bar which is why people use the les paul/xplorer/gh5 guitar (red and white)

BRO STREAM

I saw this comment when your icon was on the screen in video during interview

Hi Carny!

I respect the skill

Cj spliced s6 you heard it here first

“Some” skill is underplaying it tbh. Even tho he cheated he still is genuinely one of the greatest players he just didn’t have the patience to get the FCs legitimately

@@62cum the best cheaters tend to be the best players.

Chumps

Well that's how fake people can be for clouts

They cheated themselves. Maybe the real cheating was the friends we lost on the way...

That tongue action tho

That was the best part of the video. Love nuggets like this

I almost spat out my drink lol

@@zymethamp6596 I suspect he wasn't really playing with his tongue. the tongue flicks didn't match up with the note pace. I'm at work right now but will have time to investigate further when I get home

idk if the deadpan voice or the splice joke makes me laugh damn that is hilarious

Yea. Once bounties where brought up I started thinking "Poor those people putting up the bounties". So I gotta give a small props to the guy for paying those back.

I have to imagine he knew he could've been in deep shit if he didn't give that money back. I'm no legal expert but knowingly cheating in a contest to secure the purse sounds like fraud to me.

If I ever make a game that can be speedrun, I'm going to include so many subtle indicators like this.

@@tankerd1847 that could definitely be the case, and honestly what he did do should be the minimum we expect someone who cheated to do; admit it and take down the false achievements and remove that which he gained from the falsehoods. It's sad that it feels positive because so few do that. Especially compared to a number of other cheaters explored on this channel, and not even the big ones. Maybe as a watcher more than a runner cheaters never feel quite so infuriating to me, but doing the right thing in the end is better than not at all. And I'm sure there are ways he could have delayed, avoided, and evaded to where, even if not legal, too expensive and time consuming to bother.

Nah, fuck that. He wouldn't have paid them back if he hadn't been caught.

Thank you for saying this. Getting really tired of people here saying "at least he gave the money back". He did more damage than just scam people out of their money and ruined the integrity of an already niche community. There should be 0 sympathy OR props to anyone that cheats, even if they come clean.

@@nicholaspaat7302 "again. Could have ghosted."

​@@nick1752 Stop playing devil's advocate for a bad person. A scammer is a scammer.

What's the point of damage control if your leaving the community?

@@bigsauce1116 in this case, with the bounty money, to not get sued I guess.

I don't get here something. He admitted his crimes, he gave back the money and step aside unlike people like Billy Mitchell and yet it sounds from your comments like he still receiving comments that he just "looking for attention and glory"?!. For all bad Schmooey have done, he couldn't step aside in any better manner he did, at least with some honor.

Well he got the attention... But no glory. He just comes across as a lying cheating muppet... Of Guitar Hero of all things... 🤷🏼‍♀️ 😂 Like come on?! Talk about setting your sights low!

Tbh in the end he apparently did everything he could to make amends. Whatever satisfaction he got for himself getting praise definitely gets taken away when you're outed like that. Gotta feel pretty low, and it's sad, because it's clearly not like he's some evil guy, just a flawed person like everyone else.

He did some trolling

@@TransRoofKorean Most likely towards the end he started to feel that cheating for recognition didn't feel nearly as good as the real thing. Probably felt super guilty about it all and wanted to make amends as much as he could.