Gun Control Debate w/ Former Military And Law Enforcement Officer | CHANGE MY MIND 

So much progress we made in 2022, with a Former Military And Law Enforcement Officer, being willing to sit down and have a conversation with a brave woman of color.

Aaaah so refreshing to have political content and not drama for once.

This is the best content from Steven in a long time. I love how unlike Crowder this is never about owning the opponent but rather about having a productive convo.

Truly destiny out here fighting for womens gun rights

"I don't want any laws around guns" "I'd agree on making people who buy firearms have training" That's a law my guy

August valiantly trying to give subscribers hope that this is still a politics focused streamer. God bless

Dream debate: Destiny and Colion Noir on guns.

I see the notification, I click the link, I press play, I scroll down, I type that destiny's a woman's name

August drip feeding us the Change My Mind content while Tiny is travelling - big brain strats 🧠💯

The guy walking by at 1:12 is thinking “so that’s Stephen Crowder.”

Can we just appreciate destiny stepping into the college debate scene with integrity. I don't agree with destiny on some stuff but unlike Steven and other people who have done this format they always come with a book of fact check. I really appreciate destiny never doing this for a got you but to show how to have a conversation when you disagree. He has always said college is the place for debates and the fact he does it in the way he does really shows he is doing it for the conversation and not just the views.

Honestly, a lot of gun control laws makes little sense. A lot of them are only there to make law abiding people unable to have and carry guns, laws that are so confusing that it entraps citizens and they suffer large fines or years of prison, or laws there to milk money from legal owners. Ex: suppressor, SRBs, short shotguns, conceal carry licenses in certain states, caliber restrictions (no 50 cals), laws against pistol grips, ammo restrictions, mag cap restrictions, serialized firing pins, telescoping stock restrictions, etc. All these laws only affect law abiding citizens negatively and doesn't make them any safer.

My favorite part of these interviews is when the abortion guy and destiny switch the convo from 24 weeks to 6 months. But those are basically the same amount of time 😂😂

People can’t fathom anyone not being fully pro or anti something these days.

Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Massachusetts and I think some other states have legislation so gun safes are sold tax free and I think its incredibly based and should be implemented in all 50.

Loved that first speaker! Great points, not evasive, super to the point.

Dude with the FGC9 is based af. Can't stop the signal.

This man comes on, talks for two minutes about how easy it is to make your own guns in detail, then admits he’s done it.

Arguing that being anti electronic gun registries isn’t dumb if you look at how registries have gone historically even in modern day

Idgaf what law yall pass ima keep gettin em off Da block😂😂

It can be really expensive and really difficult to build a functioning and repeating gun at home. I've watched a 3D gun competition and the number of malfunctions was crazy high. The builds can be expensive because people can't really build most of the mechanisms at home easily, like the barrel and receiver.

1:11:28 Wait, what happened there? The guy gives his name and they just cut to the next person.

3d printer guy needs to be on a watchlist

Wow! I didn't realize he had even more of these on the back burner! This is some good content!

The 3D printer guy is making want to learn more about the 3D printing technology 🤣 🤔

My grandmother can't even swing a bat... she can pull a trigger.

I disagree with some of these views that the people had when they came up, however the defended their views extremely well. It was hard to argue with some of them and I appreciate Destiny for having them on to speak their mind. I hope we get more content like this.

I am sorry, but this was a very weak performance by Destiny. I think he was in many way underinformed and at times should have pushing much more.

Gun control is cringe

Suggestions like Destiny made about providing proof of being able to lock your guns up sound good. The problem is there are so many laws that could theoretically save lives of children but no one would agree they are good laws. So many kids die from drowning every year in America. I think there should be a law that until you provide the government with proof that your child has passed level 5 swim lessons from the Red Cross, your kid should have to wear a life jacket 24/7. This law would save many lives. Who would not be in favor of this?

Damn that first person had some legitimate points for gun rights. Mad respect for not immediately just getting mad and having coherent thoughts

Almost forgot the second dude is really good at shooting guns, glad he gave that 6th reminder.

August you need to pump out as much content as you can so Tiny can hit 600k before the end of the month I’ve got good money riding on this.

The guy in the a&m hat nailed a ton of good points on mental health.

*sighs* Destiny is a woman's name, I guess.

Honestly surprised they haven't already considered 70% and up PTSD with a red flag for weapons.

In Australia we still have guns, they were successful at keeping illegal guns out.. We are an island, importing crates of illegal guns is damn near impossible & not worth the effort/expense.. Also. Those of us with rifles must keep in a safe! Breakins it's very rare for a weapon to be stolen!

you can also use my dad as a thing to debate my dad got arrested with a automatic mac 10 on him but he got his rights back and was in court for a long time and now has a few guns but he isnt a bad guy honestly glad he has his rights back he has more gun saftey knowledge than a lot of people

How the girl stopped to think about answering Destiny's question was so cool.

i love that the first lady asked for a moment to think about it, most ppl would just blurt something out.

For the suicide discussion point - the issue with guns is its one of the methods which is quick, and fairly final. Pills, drugs, cutting, etc. etc. all have a delay between the doing and the finality.

Yeah not being able to look at my phone while I walk down the street so I can pretend I'm in an action movie 100% time sounds awesome.

Good productive convos, nice work Steven.

Didn’t think buying a safe was gonna be so contentious.

Destiny's point about suicide, that the proclivity for suicide is higher with firearms in the home seems like it would be true. But, there are other wealthy countries with almost no access to firearms that have suicide rates on par with or that exceed that of the U.S. Take Japan, where the gun ownership rate is effectively zero and their suicide rate is something like 30% higher than our own. Hanging and jumping from high places gets the job done pretty effectively.

6:20 Every single firearm is already required to be sold with a way to secure it, regardless of whether or not there is a child in the home. Every gun has a cable lock in the box, no need to purchase anything else. Guns in the house are often "in use" as they are defensive items that cannot be behind a barrier that will deprive you of seconds when seconds count.

Destiny is wrong about how easy it is to manufacture firearms. I do have a specific skill set as a metalworker, however, the knowledge I have know has helped me understand how easy it is to make something that can effectively kill. For instance, a extremely simple but effective firearm used in Philippines during WW2 was the slamgun or slam shotgun. Essentially it's just a couple of tubes, a nail, and a shotgun shell. If you're mechanically inclined you can build yourself a "Luty" submachinegun with parts from a hardware store. Ammunition, on the other hand, is difficult to manufacture.

I got a conceal carry permit in PA and didn't have to do anything more than pay money. I thought that was crazy.

people literally can 3D print a gun at home... no law will stop criminals from owning a gun

At least for handguns every new gun you buy comes with a cheap little lock

Destiny’s whole deal with the coordination needed for the Uvalde shooting was stupid asf. They aren’t going to be running into one another because most of them either came in together or are in direct communication with one another. And even if they did, they knew where the shooter was most of the time they were in the building anyway. The fact he tried to call the other guy’s response “emotional” when he just describing the TAUGHT procedure of dire circumstances is weird. He’s the only weirdo I’ve seen not only make excuses but half baked arguments for the cops in the Uvalde situation

Destiny trying to train for going on Rogan practicing his “Jamie pull that up”

The ATF has been caught breaking federal law in attempting to establish a searchable firearms registry and as a result I don't think we should grant such a corrupt government agency such a right when they knowingly break federal law. (FOPA clause GCA 1968)

At least for in Texas, yes, dispatchers notify if the person has a Concealed Cary Permit. Through my experiences I felt more comfortable after receiving that information because I know the person has received training and has gone through a background check. I'm on the complete opposite side of the former Law Enforcement guest. Weapons should be registered just like vehicles. Furthermore, I'd be in favor of a licensing course (Firearm Fundamentals, Applicable laws, and Background Check) before purchasing a firearm. We need better accountability and, in my opinion, if you don't have the patience or mental acuity to complete a basic course it's probably a good thing you do not possess a firearm legally.

Gun control is not the answer and i can promise you we will never under any circumstances surrender our 2A rights.

I'm really glad Destiny is doing this, it's refreshing to see someone who's mind can actually be changed run this event. However, I think there's some things that his mind can't be changed about such as Destiny being a woman's name despite being presented with undeniable evidence. He talked to a woman called Destiny on the Fresh and Fit podcast yet he refuses to admit this.

Guy at 9mins in was sick; super chill, very well spoken, seemed educated, civil, etc.... awesome convo!

The problem with ERPO laws is that some of them mean that firearms are taken without satisfying due process. There is a story of 1 person critical of a doctors office had his firearms taken because the doctors office representative claimed the person making a complaint was crazy.

Lol there’s many gangs that’s use 3d printed guns and printed Glock switches been hearing about this since highschool

Destiny's "Digital Storage" argument isn't sensical, the ATF already digitizes gun records using OCR to scan the forms and pull the information.

I work at a pawnshop. 😂 rarely do we get gun seizures. 😂 and I work in the hood.

i want a pic with destiny and crowder both with their change my mind tables set up on opposing sides glaring at each other.

I didn’t know the voice actor for meatwad goes to Texas a&m

Gun control laws only affect law-abiding people who go through legal avenues to obtain firearms. Criminals overwhelmingly obtain their firearms through illegal channels and will never be deterred by state and federal laws. That's why background checks have virtually no impact on criminals.

Forcing someone to show prove they have a secure way to secure firearms is so vastly beyond the scope of legal regulation of firearms. Terrible idea. No way to legally enforce. Not enough resources to support that. bad idea.

Aren't the vast majority of these gun laws targeting "legal law-abiding citizens?" I could be wrong, but it seems to me that most "gun crimes" aren't perpetrated by law-abiding citizens.

Why are we so focused on a weapon instead of the individuals that commit these crimes and why they commit these crimes? Does that not overshadow the real issue?

I can think of a reason for not having proof of a safe. The only way I can see of enforcing this is to have police come into your home. Absolutely not.

4:21 “Wouldn’t you think that if we changed some of our laws, that the culture would eventually follow?” Destiny my dude, you do not know what Pandora’s box you just opened with legitimizing such logic.

Because we have a "relationship" with our guns (that is IGNORANT) is the WORST DEFENSE. Nazis had a unique "relationship" with the Jews, should the world have just let that continue? Every religious and territorial conflict in the WORLD has a historical relationship underlying it, should we defend them continuing?

I think everyone should be required to train with firearms and accept that Destiny is a girls name.

I just thought of a great idea, I think. Everyone who passes a gun safety class, gets a 100 dollar voucher to go to the purchase of their gun. I think that would be a great way to incentivize more people getting training.

The problem with having training requirements or mental health checks is that it is controlled by the government. What happens if the government decided to control the testing process where passing became basically impossible? This problem also exists for the analysis of parents to see if they are worthy of having a gun.

Im former military and police and im anti gun and would use the instructors logic against him. If you restrict guns to everybody to just a handgun. Then no one has an adv over another except for training or a preemptive attack. Otherwise just like the big guy vs little guy argument you will always have an arm race where the bigger gun just like the bigger guy has the adv making his point moot. Wish i could talk to Destiny would be fascinating didnt know he was pro gun.

we in Australia were seeing a reduction in gun crime before the gun buy back that trend continued. after the buy back we saw a spike in knife crime but that was still within the overall reduction in valent crime at the time.

6:28 😂 well they really did think about it lol

Loving these discussions.

I dislike the argument that a person must have certified training to have a firearm. Although it's encouraged to get proper training, my question would be, who's paying for it? The taxpayers are going to pay for it and maybe that private citizen too. How much do you think it will be to go to a training class that can last for hours being taught by "trained" and state "certified" professionals? What kind of liability would that cause on behalf of the state for not training people properly up the standard? What would that standard be? What if you were disabled? What about the poor that live in the most crime-dense areas that could use that protection the most? What if they can't afford the training? Are they just out of luck? How many more arrests will be made because a person is carrying a firearm without proper certifications? There's a lot to be said here.

a) Switzerland (with the world's highest level of gun ownership) is the greatest argument against gun control not solving the root cause. b) you don't need a 3d printer for making guns, you can get everything at home depot (or similar), look up Philip Luty.

It's interesting that the USA wants essentially the gun control that we have had in Canada for decades. The problem though, is that once you get to that level, you will continue to have people who are not satisfied until all guns are gone, and will continue to push for more and more gun control (Canada's recent Liberal amendments over the last few years are a good example). So long as hardcore anti-gun stance exists in the world, politicians will leverage that for their platform even without sufficient data to support certain policies. In that sense, I can't blame Americans for wanting to protect every inch of their current rights as they stand, even if some are, in my opinion, too loose.

"Shall not be infringed" Pretty easy to understand.

18 to 20 are adults by law. You can be drafted but are not responsible enough to own a weapon. A right delayed is a right denied.

Make concessions? I guess 20000 federal gun laws isn’t enough?

The issue with guns in America, isn't the guns but the culture surrounding it. Other countries enable people to carry, some even allow fully automatics without the issues Americans have because of the culture around it. When you're home to Hollywood with a poor education system, and incompetent police force it makes sense that people are gonna have weird thing with guns

A fun fact: since 1934 there have been four crimes where a person was killed with an automatic weapon. In two of these incidents the perpetrator was a law enforcement officer that obtained the automatic weapon through their profession.

Interesting that Destiny was in favor of a 2-day waiting period, that's shorter than all states that have waiting periods.

I'm only saying this cause I thought it was funny, but the guy who went on a massive rant about normalizing audio volumes for RU-vid content did not do it for this video. Some of your speakers are SOOOOO soft-spoken that it is really hard to listen to.

Man, the first speaker really made me go AWOOOGA. Wasn't just me right?

What about the “cool down” period. In CA, if you want to buy a gun, you have to request to buy one and wait 3 days before being able to. This helps A TON with suicide and impulse buying guns out of rage or depression

Where are all the protestors shouting down Destiny?

what is with all these random college campus gun rights advocates being more well spoken and well researched than 99% of twitch politics

Can't help but notice the Aggie's superior ability to construct coherent responses when compared to the kids in Austin...

The problem with the keeping someone alive on live support point is that you forget to state that the person in a coma will recover, as the baby in the womb may not have a current conscious thought but will do in the future. So when you state it as if the guy will never get out of the coma that is disingenuous to this argument as the baby will wake from its unconscious state. It would be morally wrong if not illegal to pull the life support on someone who is going to make a full recovery.

Wow, a video that has nothing to do with drama between RU-vidrs we care little about? Color me surprised...

That one dude unironically suggesting that criminals would build an entire machine shop or possibly even a hammer forge in order to make guns is crazy. You’d have to be a Cartel style organization to fund and hide something like that.

When 3d printing these things. Not only do you need a printer, a quality filament, but also all the parts involved in putting a firearm together. That's getting kind of expensive.

3:15 Nobody would argue that we dont want drunk driving crashes in our country. So do we ban cars or alcohol?

my old roomate from a few years back made his own gun at home with a 3d printer, it shoots pretty well.

First person: "What we have now is good, everywhere, in all states. I don't know what exactly we have now, and I am unsure about what was added lately, and I know it's unlikely that everything we have now just magically happened to be exactly perfect, but I feel like it is."

Gotta say that Destinys argument for abortion doesn't work. He said he was looking for when old people die and when they don't have a conciousness, the difference between that and new life is that the forementioned is dying while the other is just starting to live, so ending something that is ending is not the same as ending something that is starting to live.