I have a gun store close by that specializes in estate sales. Lots of milsurps. Guns don't just disappear from the market. They may be off the market for a while, but they will eventually be back on it.
From my humble perspective, the value of firearms, like other markets, will ultimately be driven by the desires of the individuals involved in the buying and selling of firearms. There are many guns that I would love to acquire. However, the escalating prices have assured me that those guns are going to be forever beyond my ability to purchase.
Interesting discussion, gentlemen. Truly enjoyed the exchange. My philosophy is: purchase as many of the best quality guns that I possibly can.👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸 Have a great weekend, my friends!
My old coworker was going to take "an old rifle" to a gun buyback for a 50 dollar gift card or whatever so i told him to bring it to work and id buy it for 100 bucks sight unseen. He showed up with a pre 64 winchester94 in 30-30 lol.
I can't believe how fast 1895 Nagants went up. Felt like overnight they were $3-400 from $99. I really wanted one but wasn't 21 yet. Prices went up before I could afford it.
I had a single action army from late 1800s. Some one had customized it over the years, engraved and gold plated and even changed the caliber to 38. Probably in the 50s. Still a very nice gun with holster wear. The gun was worn probably daily in the south west. It took over a year on gun broker to get a fair price for it. Even had real ivory grips!
I wonder if pricing of certain items will be like cars; this generation of collectors may really love a stamped receiver SKS, next generation may not ever know or care what that means. Kinda like 80s pickup trucks are spiking in price when previously you almost couldn't sell them above scrap price. Will the next generation want guns featured in Call of Duty, or will they want an Vietnam AR clone? I'm betting on the former.
I'd settle for one FULL-AUTO M-4-- that my government wholeheartedly provides to terrorists, while simultaneously attempting to keep "we the people" from owning...
It probably won't be like the collection from Nepal. Afghanistan has had some form of civil war for the majority of time since about 1979, so odds are any guns out of Afghanistan are heavily used.
This was one of the best gun gripes I've seen in ages. Always love it when the duo is back together for vids. I came here in 2016 and started collecting almost instantly. 91/30s were like $189-$199 when I got here and it blows my mine that they're going for 4-500 bucks now. My VZ-52 She was $200 and now they're going for insane prices too.
I love the “we still don’t have that kinda money” comment while they say it sitting in front of a million dollar gun collection. LOL you guys are something else. Who you trying to fool ?? 😅
I have a buddy with a 1942 mosin that is all original and it is always the the gun everyone wants to shoot. I'm talking full table of awesome goodies. Been shooting for fun since I was a kid and love sharing just to see the smile
Used to find stripped Mauser actions by dozens. Was able to build my first hunting rifle in 6.5x55 Swedish on a DWM made 1895 Chilean receiver with a weaver fixed 4x for $350 in 2012. Elk is delicious.
Another thing that collectors know: your collection is leverage. If you have a $10,000 item and sell it, you might have opportunity loss (which is more valuable than the cash).
As someone who is just getting into guns trying to find and buy a gun for cheap with inflation and the economy as a single man who pays a mortgage ect it’s hard to drop the cash on a collector gun when you can drop that money on a gun,optic, light and ammo and actually have fun
My first Mosin was $75 and I bought a 300 round spam can of ammo for $100 to go with it. Now a used Mosin is $500-$2,500+. I put a scope on mine and when hard times hit I sold it to a pawn shop for $250. 4 months later it was up in a glass case in the shop for $3,000 and a tag on it saying it was used in a war. Used prices are above MSRP on so many guns it's ridiculous.
@user-cj3vc5uo3i I'm sorry you don't know anything about firearms. I wish you all the best. See, an AR can't shoot through an alternator or aluminum head but a Mosin can at 100 yards. Hell, a 416 Rigby from the 80s can blow straight through a ballistic shield rated for 50BMG while an AR can't.
If you want to puncture metal then you would be best off getting an AR 10 with .308 AP ammunition. Anything bolt action is obsolete. Anyone fiddling around with mosins is because they can't afford or have access to an AR platform. But as you say, mosins are expensive now anyway so why bother. You sir are the one who has his head up in the cloud with the birds.@@AnubisReviews
I think an important context is what it'd cost to make a modern m95 (or what ever milsurp) today. A lot of these guns would cost $1-3k if they were made new today.
Collectors if Milsurp killed entry level firearms for beginners, my generation was the last to see cheap Mosins and ammo for it. You might as well buy an AR-15 if an SkS is gonna run for $700-800. That’s my take, I was too young to stock up when y’all made top tens with Barry
Hang on for a minute. Cause now that Russia has mopped the floor with Ukraine, we should start seeing some fresh (to us) batches of slightly used, former Ukrainian AKs on our shores before too long 😏
@@RandomInternetUser-h5i PSA is for people who vape lmao 🤣 I’m good I got a CZ Bren 2 ii don’t need a cheap ass AR, if I want an AR. I’ll save up for a MR556 upper or I’ll just complete my Super Duty build. Is it so wrong to want a $110 Lee Enfield?
I am retired and I had only bought one 22lr rifle in 1973. At 25 years old, I really got into guns. That was 1980 and Guns and Ammo was a lot cheaper than they are now. Several guns that I bought in 80 are worth a whole lot more now. Be safe my friends.
The sky is truly the limit. Look at the prices for the old colts, even Walthers, P08s etc. It's getting crazy. I was extremely surprised at some offers I was getting for my 1953 Izhevsk SKS non-refurbed and unissued example. It was insane. I also have a 1943 produced Colt Woodsman Match Target that's G.H.D. and Ordnance marked. That surprised the hell out of me.
Almost all gunshops in my area use gunbroker as a way to price the milsurps. I've seen k31s up for sale at 1200 dollars. I like gun broker but one auction shouldn't set the new standard on pricing .
Great Show! I felt dejected when my CMP Field Grade 1911a1 arrived. Felt ripped off for $950 until someone offered me $ 1800 for that arsenal rebuild mixmaster with WW2 and Marine Corp markings . For a Marine , that has sentimental value.
Great show on a subject I too have put a lot of thought into as a collector of firearms and guitars. It is worth mentioning the space that is created when certain firearms and accessories become unobtainable for manufacturers to jump into. Samson’s A-TM folding stock for the Mini14 for example. Which makes the rifle all Heat fans want.
The used gun market, Mil Surps, have gotten to collectors only price it seems. On local auction through an FFL, I've seen some used 22' singe shots, selling for up to $300, saw Bond Arms Rowdy, actually selling for 50 bucks over local Scheels retail price. The Israeli AR-7, that reminds me of the Beretta Neos Carbine Kit.
Gun Gripes. I got one. 11 years of vids.. please forgive you covered this. Long arms vs short arms. I bought a S&W sport 2 month or so ago. Noticed with these free float guards you guys extend your support arm straight out. With the butt fully extended I can still almost wrap the muzzle. My gripe is....I still want a 10" sbr. I need some pros and cons with these long arms. And a typical good set up for long arms individuals.
When I was in my late teens/ early twenties. I had watched Gary Cooper in Sargent York, I had to have a M1903 Springfield Service Rifle. Well, just this month I acquired that rifle, it is a arsenal rebuilt Rock Island Arsenal M1903 with a Springfield barrel dated 1944. It goes great next to my Remington manufactured M1903 that was manufactured in 1942, but was mildly sporterized by a previous owner (I’m getting the parts to reverse the sporterization). They both sit in my collection next to my stock Type 99 Arisaka. Yep, I like milsurps!
It’s all about supplies and demand and people who have money to burn .. heck some rich guy some place can buy a ruger 10/22 for $100,000 and poof the ruger 10/22 value just skyrocket
Like many people commented, i probably was part of the last generation to see inexpensive mil surplus. Anyone born after the mid-1990’s is/was SOL. My father still tells stories of m1 carbines sold for $15 at surplus stores in the 1960’s. I remember being in high school in the mid-2000’s when Gander Mountain was selling Mosins for $79. Came with a sling, leather ammo pouch and bayonet. They had racks of them. I remember when CMP M1 Garands were $400. I bought an M1 Carbine on gun broker in 2018 for $425. Sold it in 2020 for $1200. Regret it everyday, because I’ll never get another carbine for that price. And I’d never buy one for what I sold it for.
For $ 350.00 I got a Browning “Browning Pistol Mode - Decocker” or BPM-D. Production dates: 1997-1998 only (some have opined that only 750-800 examples exist) It has a value a lot more than what I gave for it.
since Chad brought up Mac9's and 11's... made me think of my childhood... Mitch Werbell was my next door neighbor in Powder Springs GA.... I heard Ingrams all day...
I sold a 1928 refurbished mosin, had a tsar eagle stamped over with the soviet hammer and sickle, markings showing use in Romania, Georgia, and Ukraine, all matching parts... Selling that rifle was my biggest mistake since my journey as a gun owner began 😢 yes i still lose sleep over it.
@@CallMeSqualeI have a 1926 all matching numbers, no rust, no pitting, accuracy and pressure test stamps, CCCP stamp…Tula made…..couldn’t get someone to spend $500 on it if I tried. They think oh it’s just a mosin so I’ll do $300 max
@@UnknownUser-fe5zuI have a 1928 M28 ski trooper in very nice condition with paperwork on it and I'm sure someone will low-ball with a $300 offer saying "it's just another Mosin!"
My all-matching 1942 Tikka M39 with a 1907 Izhevsk hex receiver and B barrel cost me $260 back in 2002 or 2003. At the time, I bought it because the stock is absolutely gorgeous, like polished tiger-eye stone under the sunlight. I also had a few Mosin's at that point too, so I had a bunch of ammo for it already. Jackpot.
@@carolinausedmachinery Dude, that's an amazing find. Hilarious. I'd be kinda terrified to fire a weapon that had a question mark after the caliber. Like, what exactly did they do with it before trying to sell it?
I trade a judge I payed $380 for, for a Taurus Raging Hornet. Also traded a Remmington R1 1911 for a XP 100 with 14" Deaver barrel and Bomar sights. It's chambered in 7 IMHSA. I got 500 peices of IHMSA stamped brass with the ram head and 500 modified 300 savage cases. The guy has a Dan Wesson 357 maxiumum I want. He has given me 2 non functioning H&R 922s. One was made in the 50s the other on is the first version made in 1927. It serial # is lower than the serial # range given on the web for production dates. It is absolutly beautiful. A flaw in the frame casting allows the cylinder advance paw to fall off it's pin. I once scored a 32cal 1873 Winchester for $15. The pawn shop turned down the guy because they couldn't read the numbers. I didn't know what it was. The parn shop just gave him $40 for the .22 he brough in with it, I made and offer outside. An hour, some WD 40 and a few rags had that thing cleaned up pretty good. It was so grimy and caked up I thought it was a 1 peice replica. The wood is stained black. Serial # dates it to 1886. It shoots but the chamber is in bad shape. Almost all the case necks split.
I remember the good old days. When there was a huge surplus of AR manufacturers all trying to pump more rifles into the market barely covering their costs. For a while you could get an AR for as little as $250. When the covid gun scare ended, demand dried up, and 60% of the production capacity disappeared. Now in 2026, a basic AR is $600.
I noticed that black Rambo also finds older or rare guns for buyers. Some of those are super expensive, but the buyers don't seem to mind the extra price.
Movies do impress upon us. I saw Zulu , first run in the theater. Since I've been old enough I've wanted a Martini Henry Mk 2. I can afford it now, so the quest starts anew!
People are broke and need money 💰. I'm seeing some cheap guns at my local shop on consignment. I missed on a glock 40 MOS with an extra KKM barrel and 3 mags for $470. It looked Barely Used at all. And there was a glock 21 for $259 on consignment. It sold by the time I got back with cash😢
Great discussion guys. This exact topic is on my mind anytime I peruse my favorite firearm buy/sell websites. Funny how you speak of the Mosin 91/30. That exact rifle is what I use to guage the current market. When I became familiar with them, they were $150-200. In my mind, that is where they'll stay. Anything more and the seller profiting off of current politics. The best part of this is at 29:34, when Eric completely offends a group of grown up children with a straight face 😂😂😂😂😂
Well, I routinely visited a gun shop that had an actual wooden rain barrel full of Mosin Nagants for $89 apiece (your choice) . My first SKS was also $ 89 with a couple boxes of free ammunition for making the purchase. I bought an Italian M38 Truppe Special for $25 . The ammunition from Norma cost almost as much as the gun. Back then you could buy a cheap shooter to have some fun with, but nowadays you can buy a brand new rifle cheaper than an old beat up milsurp. Why bother?
Forgot to mention the cost of production to produce an SKS for $200 is impossible. 30 years ago in America they could have stamped tham out for less than that. I believe that's driving the cost for the cheap surplus as well as availability like you said.
Great test I’m interested in this lower. I was not aware it had a plastic guide rod. I’m planning on putting a psa dagger slide on it but do the dagger next if you can
Hopefully American companies will start making reproductions of older rifles. I still think the originals will continue to go up in price and always be more expensive. It'd be awesome if our kids will have access to better technology to make their own guns easily lol
2nd visit to this video - been going to gun shows since 1971 here in Miami. They were always good and had hardly anything new- lots of old stuff and parts. Now its all Glock and ARs. All the old timers with old stuff have left for other shows in other states. Too Bad for us Seniors.
Left a comment on the crazy price of Enfield no4mk1"T" snipers. U Stoob trashed it, twice. But, yes milsurps are crazy, will they stay that way? I showed a gun collector friend several really rough sks rifles I bought from Classic "real real cheap"! What did you buy that junk for ? he asked. I think it was under $110 shipped each. I cleaned one and under the nasty cosmoline the metal and bluing was really good, stock wood had gone grey though. I'm sure those so called junk sks are rising at least a little in value.
I have been extremely lucky with used rifles, mostly Savage AXIS and the 110 series, an early 70’s Ruger M77 in 270 Win also. Each example bought for $100 or less and the Ruger with a busted set of rings. Most times barrels fouled and rifling unrecognizable a little TLC, JB Bore Paste, a good service and lube brings them right around. The Ruger was a 270 Win and received an EGW pic rail and a SIG Optics 3x12 and ended up a sub moa rifle. A Savage 12FV in 6.5 Creed got new Vortex glass and posts sub 3/8” groups at will and I have an AXIS, also a 270, I installed a M*Carbo trigger kit in and a Glades Armory bolt handle on that also shoots sub moa with a Pro Staff 3x9 scope I had on my bench. The only real money I ever spent on any rifle was a rebarrel on a 112 Savage in 308 that I converted to 338 Federal. An EAB drop in barrel I fit myself ended up a perfect whitetail rifle. It works for me. 😊
Don't forget that nothing is worth more than the bid. As potential buyers age out of the market, and estates bring more stock out onto the market, some prices will change. I've seen this happen with antique furniture. Hard to predict how this will play out with guns. You can quote astronomical values all day, but you have to find a buyer to realize them.
I think that another factor on demand is Hollywood. I’d imagine that after the movie Gettysburg in the early 1990’s there was a spike in sales of Civil War weapons.
My boy is trying to sell his dad's 65 mustang. Wanted 5 thousand guy steps to him with 4500 and my boy told him get bent. This was 10 years ago. And he still has it.
Just depends on production quantity, quality, and availability. How many were made? How well was the quality control from the manufacturer? Is it something that is currently being cloned or even still in production? Because clones always will either drive the value of the og gun up or down depending on the adaptations made to it. i.e browning high powers by girsan. They took the og gun and started adding rmr cuts, rail mounts, threaded barrels, and suppressor hight sights. Same with the beretta 84bb.
Believe it or not, alot of new collectors would rather have a russian 91/30 than a finnish m39 depite the price just because its an iconic ww2 russian rifle
