Gun Gripes Episode 16: Which is better...The AK-47 or the AR-15? 

Soulman1282 lmao

Soulman1282 where's Barry?

In Heaven, shooting the shit with John Browning.

Jack MeHoff Sadly, Barry died a couple years ago.

And when he made that statement I laughed and I'm going with the AK..I never knew Barry had died #RIP but when he said that I instantly subscribed

Lemmegetamuhfckin Just go for both... 😂

Didnt know he died. Rip barry!

What the fuck. I'm crushed

Merick Turner LMAO. You didn’t know?

Asking for a friend I presume?

He passed ?!!! What ???!!!!!

+Javier Torres ya, heart attack. It was quite awhile ago

+Nicholas Geil Damn, I didn't know that. It had been a while since I watched these videos. He was like the cool old grandpa that I never had...

+Nicholas Geil when did he pass? :(

4/12/2014

Or several of each!

Lol just bought my first rifle (ar) and the next day im saying I need a ak in my life now!

u do lol fuck @Striker

Striker Wow. What anger for no reason. You kind sir probably should not own firearms.

@@cwatson42785Haha same here i got an AR15 owned it for about 1 year and now Im saving for a AK now.

We called them "geardos." It wasn't just their weapons that had tons of attachments. They would order all kinds of shit from Ranger Joe's, most of it they would never use. The ones who cracked me up were the fobbits who were also geardos. Those guys never left the wire, but had all kinds of pouches, scopes, knives, etc.

@@thatguy22441 wether you use it or not it's still cool to have.

Personally, a red dot, foregrip/handstop, rear iron, and a flashlight is really all thats needed to tacticalize your ar. Although I wouldn't mind having a toggle able laser sight.

Some people have no "off" switch.

12 year old terrorists carry AKs and you're telling me they're too heavy lol

I envision a perfect 2020 (get the joke?) Yes, AK... even a damn $500 WASR-10 will serve you well when SHTF.

Love my AK, and a good american soft point (federal fusion is my flavor) in a 7.62x39 will turn someone's chest inside out, but I can keep shots on target much easier in rapid fire with my AR, you know how they say it isnt about the gun it's about the shooter? Since an AR kicks less, it makes anyone a better shooter, therefore making it a better gun.

Brandonjames1911 RIP Barry! May of 2020 now, haven’t seen this video in years! What a throwback. Now I want an AK 🤦‍♂️

2022

@@windycityben4850 things got crazy after you made this comment right

Ak go bang and want leave you stranded. AR are ice being accurate when it's cleaned after every mag change.

and great video guys. Very informative.

I was about to put that down too; great quote XD

ninthfloor33020 - i want a big bad biker bitc

Too funny! I'm buying an AK tomorrow. I have the AR, so, WTH.

I’ll take the biker bitch. She’s loyal and knows how to fight.

A Barry-ism.

*shimmy/shrugs*

Bro... Sell ur gunz

Boths platforms need maintenance.

i will take my AR10 in .308 and be happy. Good thing is that we are still in America. Because we are still in a free(ish) country, i can own both.

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exactly, I love my ak because it packs a much bigger punch than a 556, but the thing about the ak's reliability, that is because it is a sloppy gun, tolerance is insane, so if you have one of the really sloppy ak's that are all over the place, they will be reliable, but get one that came out as a tighter gun, its gonna lock up just like an AR

Thank you

Brian Taylor very true!

Now that's a true statement 👍🏼 the one you have ammo And mags for

1 less round for quicker reloads, that's actually genius!

​@@tintero969 the last round get chambered into the bolt before adding a new mag... technically your +1bullet not -1 bullet

I love his insight on the AK-74. It reassures my choice in making 5.45x39 my favorite round.

A lot of it wasn't true tho

@@austinhuber3131 Welcome to 6 years ago

@@MrBigChops the 5.45 is not more powerful than 5.56 that’s bullshit though

A fellow with a Ph.D. in Engineering could not summarize a point about a weapon as well as he could.

What about both? The pws mk2, and mk1 does both, ones 7.62 NATO, and the other 5.56 NATO respectively.

+smn475 TangoFoxTrot's Dirt Test 2 and InRangeTV's mud test videos make one question the true reliability of both rifles in adverse conditions. A trend I notice in various torture test videos, often the tester is actively putting debris in the AR while actively removing debris from the AK. However, when they are tested on equal footing the conventional beliefs of reliability are reversed.

+Barnaby Wylde What the heck are you saying? When clean the ar is more reliable? Or when dirty the ar is more reliable?

John Kennedy Yes-- the clean and dirty AR is more reliable. Or to be clear, the AR is just more reliable.

Barnaby Wylde Nope. Not in my experience, not in most shooter's experience.

Both 7.62x39 and .223 are widely available.

The Russians need a tough, easy and reliable weapon for there dumb as rocks conscripts.

@S F Knows his shit

@S F you speak the truth sir.

It's not as reliable as people like to claim. drop it in mud and it might be done.

For such things, Russians tend to have the philosophy "Keep it simple. Make it work."

usadvisor he had a heart attack i think or stroke a few months ago.

usadvisor Sadly, Barry passed away :(

krims0n70 DID HE????? (!!!!

Oh no. Sad

All that matters at the end of the day is that apples and oranges will both be one of your five a day.

+Jamal Hunt Pft... 440 yards he says... The Few. The Proud. The guys you don't fuck with. lol'd

He is a former Marine and a combat veteran

Torque [Construction Noise] Lewith I could have worded my joke better. It was aimed at saying more than 440.

+Torque [Construction Noise] Lewith He was in the Army Reserve or National Guard.

+Jamal Hunt Or back when we used BRs

you will see, time and time again from youtube channels, that they served time in the USMC, or other military services, then return back here and the AK / AKM is their primary rifle now. The M16, or M4 rilfes are still not 100%. They are a damn fine rifle and I own a couple that have been fairly reliable. There's a reason why someone would make the AK their primary rifle however.. and it's because the AR fails, the small 55 to 62 grain bullet loses steam after 200-250 yards and the ability for the bullet to perform it's intended job is highly diminished. On the other hand, the 7.62 x 39 ballistic testing and wound cavity is not as dramatic as the AR. under 300 yards. That little tiny bullet is devastating. But, the AK will bust down bricks and does good at going through minor barricades. My magic bullet is the 5.45 x 39 in an AK-74. I'm fairly new to shooting this round, but in the last year, found this to be very good accuracy, very hard hitting, extremely reliable, able to penetrate steel core RC engines we've been shooting up, able to penetrate hardened steel plate and just one badass, well thought out round and rifle. My AK-74s are as accurate as my Adams arms piston AR, yet as reliable as my AK47.. perfect combo!

You're 100% right... I think a couple AK47s (MAK90 or Polytech) and a couple AK74's and you're good to go.... Not sure if Obama had bad intel on the 'steel core' Soviet surplus 5.45x39, or he just doesn't want his conservative libertarian enemies to have it. Either case I have to start a new 'collection' - any idea who makes the best AK74s?

Joey P Just made 3x Bulgarian from brand spankin new AK-74 parts kits. The guns didn't even have scratches from the bolt carrier being fitted inside of the steel receiver rails. Fabulous! The AK-74s were solid, the trunions showed no signs of even being fitted to a rifle, and even the bolt itself showed no wear or marring from sliding inside the sheet metal rail on the receiver. These Bulgarian 74s are better quality than any of the Izhmash AKs built by Arsenal. The receivers used were chromoly, hardened in a kiln to 1525 deg F, then oil bathed in a homemade forming tool to keep the receiver straight. The final assembly, everything was trimmed on my CNC, and applied Tarjac green and black Cerakote. The make, feel and everything about the rifles leaves my friends drooling and wanting them. So, Bulgarian brand new matching #s parts kit is the answer. Cheers and have a wonderful 2015!

Great information.... Thanks a lot...

After 80 years of rust, my grandfather allow me to inherit the AK which still fire as good as a retired veteran :))

MrIkesimba lol AK

MrIkesimba calm down, kony lol

+MrIkesimba Either one, as long as they are made of plastic and shoot bb's

MrIkesimba Education

MrIkesimba The warlords would be smart to get some 10/22's or atleast some ruger mini 14's.. African child soldiers look goofy with an ak stock under their arms pits.

Your friend probably had a crappy AK

@@Beaverstompers it was a Wasr.

That's weird AK's are far more reliable than an AR they require the least maintenance and can perform under extreme conditions dirt mud water AR gonna jam and leave you ass out under real apocalypse conditions that AK gonna fire until the last round!

Yep. Brits did the same thing with a 303. Lead alloy core / wooden plugs in bullets

That’s the point, you won’t need to do that 🤣

Dude that’s not fixing an ak. You’re describing BUILDING an AK lmao. Fixing and building are not the same

​@@jakeh6980 ak can be fixed with hammer

You forgot to mention the horrid open sight system present on each AK. Those aperture sights *really* make the target pop out. It's almost silly that people bother placing optics an ARs at all. I have a Mauser 98 that has those same Eastern European sight acquisitions. Aiming is god awful! I can bullseye with it, but it takes almost twice as long to get it lined up.

These guys I can tell were bias towards the ak

And that's why The SKS IS BETTER

Mr.Noone You obviously don't know jack shit

Lmao! As long as its wet cement, other nah pretty sure most if not all would fail from solid cement

Yikes

Yeah, in that video gunk got right into the AK's chamber, no gun would have survived that. the AR won because it's a closed system, it's hard for gunk to get in when that dust cover is closed.

@@Humberto4790 they did the same test with the dust cover opened and the gun still fired. The reason was the ARs tighter fittings even with the dust cover open still made it harder for gunk to get in and stay in. The second reason was because the little gunk that did get in got blown out by sheer volume of blowback from the DI system.

@@Humberto4790 the AK failed that test because the charging handle slaps mud back into the gun from the recoil impulse

Raul Dorian that is where ammunition comes into play. The civilian market has access to things that most of our soldiers do not. ;)

Raul Dorian SO YOU THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA TO AT SOMEONE YOU CANT SEE??

That is why you should ALWAYS carry grenades and/or RPG during peace time in the city...

Nick Rodriguez They do actually. 7.62x39 round performs much better as far as dematerializing goes

DR Dan "Combat weapons"? Wow right wingers usually have a mental breakdown when terms like that are used. Nice to see youre using proper terms.

They issued you a ar15....That's fucked up

An M4 is the army nomenclature for their carbine variant of an AR15. And before you say it, an Ar15 is not only a semi auto. The first full auto "m16" my father was issued in 1972 was marked "colt AR15". Aside from a different fire control group, they are the same design.

I know they first marked them s ar15 whenever I attempt to tell people that therye like "your tucking stupid"

Yep, soldiers who have confirmed kills will tell you our advantage over those sand people in AFG was our range of our rifles and our optics were better, so in shootouts we could hit them before they knew what was going on.

When you say that you carried the AR-15/M4, do mean you shot it and used in combat on a fairly regular basis or that you literally 'carried' it? I ask because that can be quite misleading, so if you could please elaborate, that be wonderful.

They do look cool but get some training on it. Don't just buy the weapon because it looks cool. Learn how to use it and use it well..

Bilbo_Gamers But i think ak is cooler~

Because it’s more common than the AK in North America

The M855 is the SS109 with a 61 grain bullet. it replaced the old M193 55 grain. The newest is the "green" M855A1 where the lead is replaced with a copper core.

BlindSpot1000 Thanks for your reply, but I feel certain M855 is not a 61gr bullet, in M855. Maybe that was a typo or you need to double check something. My previous comment was meant primarily to question the ''M885", that's mentioned in the video. Again probably a simply typo on IV8888's part rather than a lack of knowledge, but it could be annotated in the popups, without re-filming the video and losing the old footage of Barry.

mg556linked You are correct. I took it from memory. It's actually a 62 grain bullet in both the M855 and M855A1.

no ak are more accurate than people think ar are way more reliable than people think

+Bobby Johnson I agree completely especially the updated modern versions.

+Hingle McCringleberry I'd go with AR in a SHTF scenario simply because of the availability of 5.56 and AR parts. We're not in BF Afghanistan where there isn't a can of oil for miles. ARs would be easy to maintain.

+Atilla The Fun No doubt. Just a few spare parts will keep an AR running optimally for the life of the barrel. If you ask me, that little extra maintenance every 4,000-5,000 rounds is more than worth the benefits the AR offers. People act like spare parts will be impossible to find if something happens. Personally, when I build a new rifle I just buy a spare bolt, 3 sets of gas rings, 3 extractor & ejector springs, a hammer spring, a couple of buffer springs & a spare gas tube. That has me set as far as maintenance for the life of the gun & all that can fit in a sock stuffed in with a box of ammo. Not to mention, you can carry a spare bolt in the grip. In the rare event something actually breaks, a spare bolt can be slapped in very quickly, under a min, & covers a large % of problems that could disable the gun. Every 4,000 to 5,000 rounds I replace the springs in the bolt, the gas rings, and the buffer spring. At 10,000 I replace the bolt, gas tube, hammer spring & buffer spring. (the newer chrome silicon buffer springs may last the life of the gun) It sounds like lots just listing it here but that's over the life of the gun. That results in replacing things before they break & it's only about $100 in parts to keep it running like new for 20,000 + rounds. Some say the AR requires excessive maintenance but I wouldn't consider taking 20 mins or so & swapping out a few parts three times over the life of the gun excessive.

No the ar is more reliable than people think

may I ask what was your choice?? I am trying to decide on them as well, thanks.

Ak47 man! More reliable easier to use! And it has more firepower! Well thats just me, anyways borh are are great guns I just went with the ak, probably gona get an AR too!

J Carlos Rosiles Realistically they are both great guns. You won't flat out go wrong with either but, depending on what you want to do with it you may very much prefer one over the other. If you like to go shooting & just blast off a bunch of rounds & blow up water bottles at relatively close ranges the AK is for you. The AK is more accurate than many give it credit for but they are much harder to get that accuracy out of them. They aren't fun to sit down & target shoot with. Well, they are but not like the AR. If doing precision target shooting is important to you, the AR is better. The AR will also do an impressive job blowing up water bottles but the AR just doesn't have the same feel & attitude of an AK. The attributes of both that people argue about are drastically exaggerated. Yes, the AK will run dirtier & is more reliable if you don't maintain it well but they still jam. They still need maintenance. They aren't this mechanical device that will continue to work no matter what. Yes, the AR needs more maintenance but no, it doesn't have to be spotless. With normal maintenance you would give any gun & the AR will never give you a spot of trouble. We aren't in a war zone, we don't throw our guns in a river or a sand bank. Is the ability to withstand that really something you need in a gun? What I am getting at is don't rule out the AR because you hear they need to be spotless or they jam easy. They don't. Reliability isn't an issue unless you really neglect/abuse it. Don't rule out the AK because you hear they are not accurate. No they aren't as accurate as the AR but, if you take your time, they can do a 5" group at 200 yards. When I was younger I liked to go out & just blast away at water bottles or old cinder blocks. I didn't particularly like cleaning. I wanted to clean it quick & be done with it. I liked the AK back then Now that I am older, I like to take my time & shoot the water bottle out at 200 yards. I don't mind cleaning & I like to tinker. Now, I like the AR better. Just some things to consider. By the way. you will end up with both eventually. You should say you are trying to decide which to get first. :) lol Good Day !!

Lmao

the reason it is so universal is because it cheap and has nothing to do with quality. if you think you don't have to clean a firearm you have a problem.

678friedbed READ UP, DUMMY. CHEAP? EVERY FIREARM PERFORMANCE IS RELATED TO THE SHOOTER. MICAH JOHNSON IN DALLAS USED AN AK-74 with sighting and was good at it.

Riot Fiftythousand you are incorrect, he used a sks rifle. There is a story out about how he did a private party purchase of an ak pattern rifle years before the shooting, but it seems this is mostly anti 2A propaganda as it was not the weapon he used. ...Dummy

Smokeytbear

I'm staying at home with the prom queen

Hahaaahhaahhaaahha thats a neat way to put it!!

Abdullah Mikail I'll take the biker chick for she is ride or die and make for better partners. When in doubt AK out.

Cafelogis I wouldn’t call the M4 style rifle a huge maintenance one. Maybe more but not alot

Every weapon requires maintenance if a soldier or individual dont understand that and dont believe in taking care of his weapon your weapon is your life!!! Then he or she dont need to be a soldier or own any weapon!

@@jeremy2255 You don't always have time to maintain your weapon idiot. The AK is better.

I'd call the police. They'd fix everything.

I'd use a highpoint 9mm

lmao

its not funny

Alfred Baxter You just made it funny.

lmao

Neither is over the other. They aren’t comparable.

right, and you're an expert with a PhD in ballistics, just like me right? please talk more about shit you read on a gun forum

shmediaproductions I think he's suffering a bit from fanboyism but there is one thing he is right about. The 5.45x39 causes more damage to the human body than a 5.56x45. So arguably more stopping power without the disadvantages of the 7.62x39. On the opposite end of the spectrum the Chinese 5.8x42mm has some of the best penetration performance out of all the major rifle cartridges, however it tends to zip straight through flesh without much damage done.

Let me guess, you bought an AK 74 & have never fired anything else? They are all good rounds, they just do different things better. Personally, I would prefer to take out a target before I am in their effective range.

shananagans5 I've owned all of them. My Bushmaster had sooo many issues. VERY picky with ammo too. They're nice and light but I can still shoot just as good with my waffenworks ak-74. In a time of civil unrest etc I would never put trust in anything with that setup. HOWEVER.. 556 will be fathoms easier to find if I run out of 10k rounds of 545, so it'd be nice to have one laying around (Cased up and plastic wrapped) lol

***** You can't really judge the 5.56 or the AR from a Bushmaster. They aren't bad rifles but they aren't good rifles either. They do generally need some adjustment to get high levels of reliability. At that, they are still no Daniel Defense. That is one thing about the AR. You do need to spend to get the most benefits. You can't buy a cheap gun & expect it to run like a $1,500+ rifle.

they are designed for the same purpose, but there are philosophical differences. The major difference in terms of design is that Stoner wanted the rifle to be as light as possible and did compromises elsewhere, whereas Kalashnikov wanted the rifle to be as durable as possible and compromised elsewhere.

***** Number 1, why the fuck would you smack someone with the butt of your gun? Number 2, this is real life. Not gta 5, your opponent should be dead before hes within that length of you. Lol.

+macstmanj3 whatever works best for you man, is what I can tell you. Glad you started to come to the gun side somewhat. Takes time for some people. Though, I will say that we do not have a gun problem. We have a social problem. More in mental health than anything.

Glad you came around. I’d recommend shooting a Glock 19.

40 is a good middle ground

Stick with ur gut get a 1911 over any glock on the planet there is a reason its been around so long and we still have forces choosing it over anything else out there glock ain't a bad gun but 1911 will keep you alive 110% of the time

Not to mention a lot of the piston ARs are not built to be piston guns, they have an aftermarket piston put on them (like Adams Arms). If I could afford an HK416 I'd consider having a piston AR.

Frozen Balsak i wouldnt, youll make the rifle heavier, and worse, more front heavy, you will increase the time it takes you to clean and maintain the rifle, decrease accuracy, decrease the reliability, and increase the number of parts that can fail all while completely ignoring where 95% of all malfunctions of the AR15 come from.. the magazine want to make an AR15 much more reliable?.. get an AR47 lower (the one that uses AK magazines), and use some bulgarian 5.56mm AK mags.. maybe even cheap galil mags and youll have solved one of the biggest flaws of the design

PMAGs are substantially more rugged than steel mags. Even the cheap-o Russians aren't using metal magazines anymore. Forget the gimmicky lower. Just buy better magazines.

Pretty weird how adding weight and possible stress points to the barrel that are not actually a part of the barrel while also adding moving parts won't aid in precision. Who'da thunk it? 7075t6 aluminum(what any upper receiver should be made out of, or better) is more than substantial for supporting the carrier. You're pulling a problem out of your ass, to put it bluntly. Even "modern" designs like the SCAR and G36(both AR-18s) use aluminum receivers. Of all the complaints I've heard from people that obviously came from them not knowing how to maintain their rifles, their uppers breaking or getting shaved by their carriers has never been one of them. Yes, the coating on the inside of the upper will eventually wear off(as it will in a steel receiver,) but the aluminum will just rub and polish for decades before it ever starts to lose any amount of material you need to worry about. The only sort of upper you'd need steel rails in would be a polymer one, and the AR-15 is already amongst the lightest if not the lightest "service" rifle you can get, so buying a polymer upper is like milking a goat you already roasted, it's not worth the time. Firearms with polymer receivers need steel rails, and they usually have them(think Tavor, Glock, F2000, AUG, Kel-Tec SU-16, etc.) Unless you're foolishly adding a piston system to the first operating system in probably ever to be designed specifically to exploit DI while using lighter materials, the rifle will be running soft enough to be just fine with insufficient lubrication. You'd even be fine doing it with most piston systems. The only modern steel AR-15/10 pattern upper I even know about is the G28's, which is a piston 308, meant to be used as a DMR/Sniper support rifle with a service life of probably 300 years knowing the modern German military. Too bad for you, most of us are just fine with incremental improvements in a system that will never be perfect(nothing will ever be) instead of our military's budget multiplying to adopt a new rifle every 5 years along with our taxes multiplying for wars none of us actually give half a shit about, even if having served or planning to serve.

wow, a lot of typing to prove what an idiot you are.. you do understand that when dissimilar materials rub against eachother, the softer one gets worn, in this case the softer metal is the aluminum, the softer metal is also going to have more give to it, and this will generate more resistance.. like sliding a hammer across a hardwood floor, vs trying to slide it across a carpet.. and in fact the properties of added friction of dissimilar metals is the basic for the delay in the blowback of the thompson submachine guns action.. so steel on aluminum = bad idea.. but hey.. if you want to keep lying to yourself that your AR15 is anything less than a piece of shit.. have at it.. you know what rifle those guns you just mentioned are based off of?.. not the AR15, but the AR-18 which is actually cheaper to manufacture and far more reliable than an AR15 because the engineers at FN and HK realize what a piece of crap the AR15 is and incorporated NOTHING from the AR15 design into theirs except in the case of the SCAR, a god awful magazine design (HK improved upon the magazines)

Judging by your name you most likely have several of them.

That’s true the M16 is very close behind it kinda