Dude, Mika is a strong SSS purely because he's one of a kind: A pilot who is always ordered to fight, then he finds out that he enjoys it, and in S2 he realises that fighting is all he knows and that he can't live a peaceful life. You say that he only acts on Orga's orders but the show explained that Orga mostly acts based on Mika's wishes and way of life. The show didn't try to change his way of life, but rather made us realise and accept Mika's death at the end as an inevitable outcome for him.
I don't know that I'd say he's completely one of a kind, because the aspect of finding out fighting is all he knows is also something that Heero, Wufei, Setsuna and Flit go through, but I do see what you mean, and I do really like Mika. Wufei is a great parallel I think too, because if he had had someone to help him like Orga helped Mika, instead of someone to manipulate him like Treize did, he might have turned out very different. I suppose the difference with Heero and Setsuna is that Heero is just a soldier without a cause at the end (death might have been kinder for him) and Setsuna finds a new purpose. Flit just gets to live knowing he wasted his life, so death might have been nicer to him too.
For what was going to be the last series of Gundam originally, I really do like Domon and his quest that he pursues in the endgame of it all because in the beginning he was just spamming his way through the tournament with no effort and skill at all until Shwarz told him that he sucked balls at his fighting skill and it really was a refreshing arc to see someone who was overconfident within their ability get better and better with immense training and that overconfidence still shows with the KYOJIIIIIIIIIII fight but its taken as a sign to domon that he must train harder so his god gundam form is harnessed more through his spirit and not rage since he was still being outclassed by master asia in his rage form
G gundam is one edgy, silly clusterfuck yet one of the most fun Gundam series. Domon is the type of guy to wear a cape for fashion and be angry for all time but knows by heart the codal laws of Gundam fight.
After some research i came to the conclusion that the Seed protags since SRW Z have been potrayed better than their anime counterparts. Like compare Shinn from Seed Destiny to Shinn from Dynasty warriors gundam 2 (which came after srw z). Its like they're different from each other. And kira we have now is basically SEED kira but more mature in a sense. Its like as if the folks who made srw, Dynasty warriors gundam, sd gundam and so on saw how seed destiny went and made a change with the characters.
I agree with Kamille belonging in a much higher tier. His entry as an angsty erratic teen fits so well in his character development. In the end he was a confused kid that learned to compromise and even hate what he's doing but still getting the job done. He grew up to be a person and not a soldier and I think his BS space magic is cool.
Would you consider doing a near-remake with them alongside their respective teams? An example I have is Domon with the rest of the new Shuffle Alliance
About Heero, don't forget his line when he's about to destroy Libra with the Zero, and he shouts out "I WILL SURVIIIIVE!" Like, this is a dude who blew himself up for the sake of the mission, and now he's decided he wants to, as you said, live his own way for Relena and the others.
@@TheFullSpectrum oh yeah your bit at the end with Kira made me think of a line Durandal says in one of the games before he gets shot: "My goodness, you're insufferable. But, of course you are. You _are_ the ultimate Coordinator."
SRW Kira would probably be a high B, or low A. He's way better, but he also is just kinda there at times so that Athrun and Shinn can have time, which isn't fair to Kira, but is the problem of having three main characters from the same series. SRW Shinn is a S for me. He gets past his family trauma a bit too early to be an SSS, but he is SOOO much better, and actually has to deal with his inferiority complex with Kira and Athrun.
Heero yuy is emotionless child solider and is real name is odin lowe Jr. Is training as a child solider made him emotionless. Sven Cal Bayang was a innocent person until is parent die and is training has a child solder and drug the phantom pain implanted on him. Made him emotionless. Setsuna F Seiei is child solider brainwashed in to kill is parent, setsuna worship god in name of war. Setsuna was training by ali al saachez and work for a terriost organization name kpsa. Setsuna real name is base off a Hollywood artists name Soran Ibrahim. All this made setsuna emotionless. Mikazuki augus lost is parent at a young age and was left on the street, meet orga. As orga was about be attack by man behind him. Mikazuki shoot man. Work for tekkadan with orga. Mikazuki child solider and emotionless.
Question here shouldn't Daryl Lorenz be on this list as well since Daryl and io are both the leads? Maybe I'm wrong in that tho and yes garod 100% that snow fight was a really good episode where he realizes there truly is others stronger and better then him and one day he can actually die one day. And his inability to protect tiffa really makes lose control for a while.
I would have put him and Reiji on it for sure, since Io and Sei both share the Protag slots with them. I also would have added Athrun, to be fair, since he is just as much a protagonist as Shinn and Kira.
@@TheFullSpectrum yeah nice video the tier maker didn't complete the section as much but it's all good also JOE DARE YOU RANK KIRA SO LOW HE IS OUR GOD UNSUBBDD SIR REEEEE
@@TheFullSpectrum if you did put Reiji, Bernie and Daryl in, what tier would you put them in? you said Reiji would be S and i won't argue with that, but imo Bernie and Daryl would be A tier at least
@@bricesonroy2350 Shinn Asuka has a lot going for him until he was tossed to become a brainless thug. He is supposed to be like Kamille but the creators made their way to make Kira the Mc again so he transformed into Jerid instead.
It's so funny to me that Bellri is Pacifist, but only AFTER he kills someone. Oops, I killed the girl I like's crush, never gonna do that again. Oops, I killed my old commander, never doing that again. Oops, I wiped out a whole squad with one attack, never doing that again Also Bellri: I'm gonna kill everyone because I was accidentally having incestuous thoughts! XD
@@jadyndenys7736 yeah, there is a reveal later in the show and he's like "This changes everything! I cant be having these thoughts. I've gotta go clear my head." It's kinda like that one scene of Joe Dirt
If you haven't seen build divers yet or narrative ill help you out with that. Riku is bottom tier easily as insufferable as kira and kio especially afterwards when he builds the 00 sky, arguably the dumbest gundam fusion with the gundam 00 and the destiny gundam. As for jona.....he's rather average, not exactly an ace pilot like other new types, his new type abilities aren't awakened, which is actually cool cause there's some stuff he does in the movie that depend on skill more so than new type awareness, he's a total simp to both girls and is dragged and used like a toy, but he does have some pretty awesome scenes in the movoes and see how his past was like in onr or the! titans lab.
I mean When it comes to kira He was good in the majority of episodes of Seed when he was piloting the Strike. Like from ep 1 to 29. I get why kira is shit in destiny.
You do know that Kira doesn't actually kill people after he got the Freedom, right? He only disabled the Mobile Suits to the point that they can't fight but can still escape.
He doesn't kill them, but he gets people killed. Heine is the best example, but if you leave a Zaft or Federation unit disabled in a fight, what is the enemy going to do when they find them?
@@TheFullSpectrum I don’t think kira is stupid enough to not know that. It’s a war what do you expect? Of course he can not make sure everyone can come back alive. The point is he’s trying his best not to make unnecessary casualties if he could reduce the amount of fighters by disabling them. I don’t quiet agree with Kira’s placement in the lowest tier but nonetheless good video, I pretty much agree with most of your list.
For me it's more that Kira's philosophy of interrupting battles the way he does sows confusion(which is fine, it is one of the best ways to interrupt a conflict as we see in 00) but then he claims to be guiltless of the lives lost in the process, and is sure his way is what will save the most people. Kira is a great pilot, but I just don't think the show did enough to call him out on what he was doing causing more deaths, because they needed to bring Athrun to Kira's side, but again, that is Destiny messing with a well established character from SEED.
Episode 26 would like a word with you. Kira shoots a building that destroys the whole area for what to stop people for tracking his gf because she hijacked a shuttle. A Zaft space port that had civilians in it.
Currently I just watched the original Gundam movie trilogy and Char's counter attack, after that I've started watching IBO and, to be honest, I hate Mikazuki as a character. He's the definition of a psychopath, he has no motivations but finding a place where he could call it home, if Orga would say " kill a bunch of civillians" he would do without hesitation, (spoilers from here now), Biscuit's death didn't feel like it affected him at all, when he was questioned about killing people his reaction was like "eh, whatever" and his love triangle with Kudelia and Atra is, from his part, non-existent at worst and bland at best. To me, since I've watched IBO right after the classic Gundam/movies of the original, it's easy to me to draw a comparison between the two. Where the original Gundam shows that despite everything else, there's still a true feeling of family, friendship and hope in the end, while IBO feels more like an allegory to revolutions in general. They start with a heroic speech about changing the current system to something better just to become something worst in the end.
I actually think Amuro deserves an SSS. In SRW(don't remember which one) Domon and Amuro gets a chance to well, have a training battle with each other. Domon says that he was not able to land a single blow on Amuro's Nu(newtype of course). Of course SRW can never be a canon, but I believe Amuro's newtype abilities and talent makes him superior to Domon in regards to piloting a gundam. So if Domon gets a SSS, why not Amuro? Other than that, great video. Absolutely agreed.
This is character based not power based. If it were power based banagher, Jona (in their Rx-0 suits) and setsuna (in the ELS quan [T]) would be sss. Everyone else would be like b or below. Perhaps you could make a case for Amuro in s because he did do some weird reality warping stuff in counterattack, but nothing in comparison to banagher, jona, or Setsuna’s level of timey wimey space shenanigans.
@@sandlax9509 banagher was literally nothing more than unicorn's pilot(yes, he was a strong newtype), and the same goes for jona for being phenex's. They really didn't show much as a "pilot." For els setsuna, we don't know what he can really do, so let's pass on that. Amuro destroyed countless zeon soldiers on gundam, and by the end of oyw he already took down many ms and ma that was stronger than gundam on paper(also he complained that gundam reacted to slowly to his controls). On cca, he almost took down gyunei's jagd doga solo on re-gz(which is far subpar compared to jagd doga), if not for sazabi's interference. When he finally did get on nu gundam, he took down jagd doga and sazabi, and pushed away the axis. I'm pretty sure if amuro did get the chance to pilot unicorn, banagher would have been nothing compared to him, even on unicorn mode.
@@user-ge8np2iy4g Setsuna in the novel reversed marina ismail’s age, and is pretty much immortal, but there’s no evidence pointing towards innovators being plugged into any bigger power similarly to Newtypes so your probably right in saying that he’s weaker than Amuro as much as it pains me to say it. From what I gather, Newtypes get their power from another dimension (I could be wrong) so while the ELS is a force to be reckoned with, I don’t think it’s as strong as the power source that Newtypes have. Also yeah, it’s extremely likely that banana boy and John are worse than Amuro since they have a lot less experience (although it is stated that both Kamille and Judau are stronger Newtypes than Amuro so take that as you will)
Heero is SS tier boy super good, you crazy I just don't understand why people give amuro so much credit. I always found him annoying as hell in the original Gundam and his design is shit.
The only character I really disagree with is Hiro. I feel like his character development is extremely limited and I think Duo or Trowa should’ve been the focal point. You could’ve gotten the same amount of insight into him as one of the side pilots.
While I absolutely agree with that, this list was on the characters that Sunrise considers the protagonist, which is Hiiro, so I ranked him accordingly. I would have actually put Duo or Trowa higher, I believe.
No I totally get it. I really do like Gundam Wing even now. After 15 years I’m still kinda salty how many things about the series were poorly executed lol
We made a video on this, that you can watch here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z2GZkyXFKvc.html It goes into each series at that time and where we recommend starting!
Mika is the calmest guy arround Shoot someone Crush someone Fight deadly battles Having attacks land inside the cockpit Bleeding to death You name it mika acts like it's just another Tuesday
As I said in the video, that tier is for characters that get more people killed by trying to disrupt the Battlefield. Gundam has pacifists that succeed, and some that dont, in my opinion
Flit is one of three well written characters in AGE, the rest are pretty bad, but Flit, Obright and Woolf are really good. Flit is the gundam protagonist that doesn't use his gundam to protect people, but to try and mercilessly kill an entire race because of revenge he can't let go of, and only does when he is forced to by Kio. He dedicates his life to his goal, and even tries to nuke a colony because of it. He's a broken man, trying to commit genocide because his twisted mind tells him that will allow his dead friends to rest. Flit is great.
@@adam-di7rk People will crap on G and just call it mindless dumb action when if anything Domon is arguably a more compelling character then both Kira and Heero
Mikazuchi got an A? Lol. He was boring as hell. He's Hiro in puppet mode. Are you high, dude? It wasn't until Orga died, that Mikazuchi started acting a little less like a robot. And what'd he do? Go and die with Barbatos Lupus. Like a dumbass. Right Orga my foot. Bad move yo. The relationship Mika had with Atra was literally just let's bang. She chased after Mika like a dog when she wasn't trying to be useful to Tekkadan. Mika just went with it and I felt nothing. Mikazuchi is designed to look miserable all the time. Hmm... Reminds me of Shiro and Aina, and not in a good way. Mika spent less time trying to develop, and more time humping the leg of his Barbatos, calling for Orga. While you lot praise Mika, I think he's a terrible protagonist. No substance on his own. He's not human. He's a brick. Boring and uninteresting.
I can respect that take. I like him partially because he is broken. He views himself as a tool for Orga to use, and once Orga is done with him, he will be tossed aside. Yet over the course of the show, he begins making selfish decisions of his own, especially once Hush gets involved, and when he chooses to go die, it is his choice, not Orga's. He moved beyond being just a tool. But that's the great thing about characters! Everyone likes different ones for different reasons! In contrast, I found Hiiro to be far more frustrating, since he had Duo and Wufei to constantly compare himself to, but I do think Hiiro is a deeper character than Mikazuki, though even that was by Mikazuki's choice.
@@TheFullSpectrum I get that Mikazuchi is supposed to be this broken character, like you said. The problem that comes with Mika's character, is the fact that the cast has to revolve around Mika for him to be relevant. The scenes where he's not with the crew are just...oof. You say he gains independence, but he still says Right, Orga?, despite making his own decisions. I agree with Hiro being frustrating, but at least his personality got better. Mika didn't get enough time to develop completely, because the writers thought putting up walls for Mika until the very end would keep the story going. In the end it didn't matter, because he's dead. I'd put him at B. There are far worse strong and silent protagonists than him. Broken characters to me are the least interesting. I've seen enough of that trope to be sick of it.
