Guns in VR 

i was just thinking the same thing i came back to this video to be like "damn they really did a thing"

What happened to the shoulder and gunstock thing though? Clips right through for me...

@@CakePrincessCelestia What are you talking about? The stock collides with the player.

@@atlev It definitely doesn't. Guns feel terrible in Boneworks. Probably the worst VR guns I've used so far

@@atlev They did at the release, but in one of the patches, they removed that, it still collides with the player somewhat, but not as much as it used to

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Kosaro yesssssss. Boneworks too. Do you know how much will it cost?

@@filipzemirek4210 No, we won't know until its announced on May 1st but as a reference a single Vive wand is $129, so I imagine ~$300 for a set?

@@Kosaro1234 Valve declares the devkit Knuckles that it sends out as worth $150 at customs for insurance/tax or w/e. The Knuckles does have less IR sensors (21 vs Vive Wands' 24), but I wouldn't have thought it's overall cheaper to manufacture, plus there's a lot of R&D. If they do ship for $150+shipping, then the only explanation would be that HTC is a failing company that desperately needs liquidity, imo. (Valve sells base-stations for $60 wholesale to HTC, and HTC sells them on for $134.99.) Actually, a 2x markup isn't that dramatic. Pretty standard profit margin. Not in tech, though.

Hi....

have you tried the games out now 3 years later?

Kolin Mademe the fuck does that have to do with anything

Kolin Mademe I really hope this is a joke...either way it's pretty stupid

Kolin Mademe what are you referring to?

Nathan C. The animals they were shooting at within the game

Correction they don't care about AI. They're not animals they're 1's and 0's

It's a full reset. Just like when 2d gave way to 3d in games.

I agree with Brandon. While I don't deny the might of brain power behind those glasses of his, I don't think it's just about being "clever" It's more a new way of thinking, we can't just say "oh throw your 3D game in to a VR headset, add tracking for guns, sell it at AAA price" That sort of thinking ruins the experience. :D

Because back then games were still evolving, people were passionate to invent and refine. Now traditional gaming is about 30 years old and people think they already have the formula and aren't so hyped to take a step further and do something that, say, Half-Life did. In the meantime, VR is brand new. Hell, it came to be just 2 years ago with Oculus Rift and with Vive it can be an actual gaming experience. It's still new, it's still unknown and people are going to develop further and further, but eventually, it'll slow down and become what traditional gaming is today. Same formula with barely anything new.

That's what happens with NDAs

yep more VR devs need a system like this. Otherwise the only solution is an actual vr gun stock, but those limit your controller movement when you need to do reloads or other movement.

Mimmicking real recoil isn't years away, just fyi. It's maybe more a matter of game design decision for practicality, time constraints and getting the desired visuals than of difficulty implementing it. It's certainly doable. It's probably just not of any priority for 99.9% of game designers. I can think of ways for doing it in the Unity engine.

And boneworks

You are correct. Using 2 separate controllers is a huge pain in the ass. Fortunately, the fixes are cheap.

Reminds me when they attached a katana to the controller and played a ninja fruit knockoff on VR on Node.

I as a gun enthusiast I can tell you it isn't as bad as you are thinking. I can do it for hours without even thinking about it.

Having your two controllers forcefully stuck together instantly causes a lot of problems when you're trying to do literally anything other than shoot a gun. A lot of games require you to use your hands for things like reloading or interacting with things etc, it's very frustrating to try and do those things when your controllers are stuck to each other. There are third party attachments that let you do it, and for the most part it is just clunky and frustrating. It's much easier to just get used to floating hands than try and get used to your controllers being stuck together. I'm sure there will be fixes and changes as the years go on, but they will probably be a lot more complex and technology driven rather than throwing a stick on your controllers that forces you to be stuck that way.

There are always therese www.etsy.com/listing/491103695/htc-vive-magnetic-dual-controller-rifle Magnetic so the controllers are easy to pull of and perform other actions, and it has a stock on the end that dips down to provide room for your headset when you aim down sights.

good thing it releases in the middle of june and not 2020

Your yearning should be over by now.

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@@asmallphd9648 shut the fuck up, i know this man man

Considering it's near impossible to get any kind of decent framerate with Arma 3 multiplyaer no matter how powerful your computer, pretty sure VR is out of the question for anyone who doesn't love vomiting.

it can be done with vorpx fairly well

That would be cool

onward is probably the closet we have

I played Red Orchestra 2 in Vr once. apart from the fact that it didn't really work i now call it the PTBS simulator

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And just in a few days we will have bonelab.

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@@j3s3oGh4n Sure did!

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Good question. I'll go into more detail about that in another video. In short, unlike the rendered hand, we never snap the gun to the shoulder. Instead it sort of splits the difference between the angle you're holding it at and the shoulder with it gravitating more to the shoulder the more closely you're aligned. The end result is that it never snaps or feels out of control but sort of gravitates to the shoulder point the more you align it with the shoulder point.

Incredible work Brandon, really appreciate seeing someone actually build a shoulder point rather than basically forcing their customers to go out and buy a stock because their games are nearly unplayable aiming as you were saying, without a stock. Well done :)

How complex are the mathematics behind that kind of multidimensional averaging? It sounds incredibly difficult.

@boski Thanks! Also the problem with stock VR peripherals is that it leads to games where you cant put the gun down. Which leads to wave shooters. @Virusnzz Very complex. I had to learn anatomy, brush up on vector algebra, and really get quaternion rotations to click. Basically all the stuff people in high school asked "when will we use this in real life".

Why must our world be three dimensional? It makes the life of a game developer so much harder.

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It can definitely help a lot to be familiar with the weapons you are designing in game. To know how they feel, weigh, act, etc in real life and being able to translate that into games will provide a better experience for the players.

They aren't trying to make the guns as realistic as possible, they're trying to make them feel good to the player

Most of us already are..that's why people like him go the extra step lol

lol they had airsoft guns

Why??

Interesting, care to say more or share a link?

At first thought, I think it will be compatible. I think the steadiness will stay the same, independent if it's software or hardware. The main point (moving your eye in the perfect spot to aim) will stay the same... I guess. No real idea but I thinks that's the case.

Hopefully it works, it's just taking a bit of control away from the hardware itself, which could end up a bit wonky (imagine trying to gently move the controller(s) to slightly adjust your aim, but the "virtual stock" pulls your aim to where it thinks you want it).

The problem with that is, who would buy it? Sure it would work to fix sniping but that only helps for a very small part of the overall problem. Its a peripheral so someone needs to make it, then you need to buy it to attach it to the controller, then when you don't need it, you need to take it off. Too much of a hassle just for making sniping viable. That's not a solution, that's just a bandaid. Which will only cover up the problem but doesn't fix it. If they went down that route, then other's will do the same and the market will be flooded with "Peripherals" That were made to "fix" other issues from other games, so you need to buy those in order to get the full experience of the game, then we'll never see a proper fix for an issue with a game that won't get solved cause that would halt sales of this or that peripheral. IMO that's not how VR should work. VR needs to work around the player, not the other way around. Shouldn't have to go out and buy something outside of VR just to enjoy something inside of VR.

Who would buy it? A LOT of Onward players use stocks. And you can make sniping viable and fun in VR without a stock, but seriously, actually having a stock pressing into your shoulder and a cheekpad to utilize? Amazing, both in utility and immersion.

Who would buy it? F that; make it. Search YT for cardboard guns, where layers of cardboard are glued together to create the body. A couple high strength magnets (scavenged from old tv speakers?) and some hot glue, and you have your stock and receiver to quick-mount your controllers to. Magnets allow you to disengage the controller from the stock to mele/throw and snap back into place without looking. Cheek rest can also be incorporated to allow proper gun/scope alignment in game. You can even paint it camo for when you mount your Franken-controller on the wall. Seriously, this sounds neither expensive nor hard.

Wymsic_ ps aim controller...????

Might be a little late but www.protubevr.com/ i just received mine. Been playing Onward, holy shit is it a world of difference. It's fully adjustable so you can change it as close as possible to fit the shape of the gun your using in-game.

Rechitech how do you throw grenades with it?

Florian Rüger Just pop the controller out quick, throw and insert it back. The controllers just slide in but they fit securely.

A bloody shame... I'd like to have _an option_ to make the stock collide with my body so I can have that third point of contact. I'd really like to try that.

They removed it? That 3 point system was cool

Hello from 2 years later! I'm pretty sure it's back in Bonelab because handling rifles feels much steadier in it.

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Thats just one of my ideas, the other being gloves with tracking points on the fingers. Thats the true way to get hand immersion. Imagine that pared with a physical gun for vr that has a charging handle like and AR and charging handles on both sides to allow realistic reloading depending on the gun. Real mag ejection. THAT WOULD BE SWEET. THATS WHAT WE NEED

TrueHDCinema this would then require them to spend countless amounts of money to not only develope but produce these products in Mass quantities. And you cannot download a physical gun stock online, but I'm pretty sure everyone can download this game

I mean you said it yourself Brandon: how can it be better than the real thing if the real thing offers that feeling when you shoulder a gun? every basic rifle actually has 4 points of contact. both hands, your shoulder to the stock and then your cheek to the stock. I can't imagine how unnatural it must feel to try to "shoulder" a VR firearm without an actual stock. Like you said, the stock is the secret sauce. Why not a 3d printed solution?

1. You can't expect everyone to buy said peripheral. 2. Once you have said peripheral its difficult to put the gun down in game, limiting creative.

that's true. didn't really think of that. i guess VR is still in it's infancy in a way and trying to market an additional product that is too niche might not be very prudent at this stage. but it's definitely something to think about in the long term. perhaps one of the controllers being the actual peripheral and the support hand can attach and quick-detach via very strong earth magnets. but maybe this would be forcing it at this point.

They already have these and works great.

There's already plenty of these things - you can 3D print VR gun stocks today, or pay about $60 for a metal and plastic adjustable system. Brandon's right though; you can't expect everyone to be willing to pay for such a peripheral, not to mention they can get fiddly if you need to pull your controllers out to throw a grenade, etc.

HTC Vive right now is $600 with a sale, Oculus Rift is $400 including the touch controllers, and Robo Recall. HTC Vive comes with Room Scale VR out of the box, Oculus Rift requires an additional sensor for Room Scale VR, and if you want completely accurate tracking, a total of 4 sensors (2 included, 2 bought which cost $80) the tracking becomes absolutely perfect, IMO same level as the vive.

@lcomment: Had a Vive for two months before selling it and switching to a Rift when that 450€ summer sale rolled around. Might have just been a bad setup for the Vive trackers, but I actually think the tracking on the Rift is better than it was for the Vive (with 3 sensors that is, to be fair)

Matt 0 htc is alot of monie

Icomment the htc price has gone down, its now 600 usd

As someone else said Stresslesszero works on the HTC Vive so that would most likely be their recommendation. On Node they rarely use the Rift in comparison to the Vive (did about 2 or 3 episodes with it).

exactly what i was thinking. Works perfectly

VR is no fun when you're stuck to one weapon guys!

You have the aim controller for all 2 handed weapons and the move controllers for pistols. The psvr camera can detect upto 7 light sources I think.

For a game like onward where you need to use hands for other things than just a gun, it'd be a hassle. For a single player fps that is not complicated on what you can do, it would work though.