@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Well, I don't listen to music at slow speed unless I want to learn something that I can't seem to catch by ear. Honestly, playing like a robot is something I never liked too much. Plus, you can slow down basically any shredder and probably it will be equally loose. And I couldn't care less, anyway.
@@kamealex No need to be so hurt, I simply pointed out your misleading comment. I could hear it wasn't perfect without slowing it down, I judge my shredders by their accuracy.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Not hurt at all. Internet makes everything sound aggresive and shitty. My apologies. I wasn't saying it's 100% perfect, impossible to improve playing. But it's absolutely ridiculous that he pulls of that brutal kind of thing that is years light away from my skills just for a quick example of doing basically nothing important. That's all.
@@kamealex No worries, apology accepted but not something I expected, so credit to you I understand what you say about the internet. I have been teaching guitar professionally for more than twenty years so I understand technical issues that may present themselves, lots of them can be overcome with the right direction and advice so please don't be put off your learning. If I can help in any way with a particular technique, phrase, or song that's causing you problems then please let me know. There's a buckethead lesson that might be useful to you if you want to develop tapping using more than one finger of your tapping hand, he starts off with one, eventually building up to 4. It was very helpful and impressive for me and that's probably what made me critique guthrie, having already heard this style played some years back.
Why not try a Floyd Rose pro which is the lo profile version? I'm just curious because I just bought a Floyd Rose and would like to switch to the low profile Floyd but do they have a bad rep for some reason?
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 you don’t even know what you’re talking about he made more sense with the bar same with alexi laiho and obviously guthrie
Double-locking is not better if you want to be able to do behind-the-nut-bends or switch to drop D mid-gig on the same guitar. Or if you find the fine-tuners on the bridge and/or the locking nut get in the way of where your hands want to be.
@@robthorpe5388 you will never be able to switch to drop D on a fully floating bridge. If the bridge is recessed then it will sink back and everything will go way out of tune. That has nothing to do with the locking nut. Eddie Van Halen had a locking nut with a non-recessed Floyd and he invented the D-Tuna device specifically for that purpose.
1:40 omg, guthrie is so funny! He makes thouse sounds, playing that little happy melody, proving a good point. All while making a straight serious face.
I love how Richie Sambora had his floyd rose tremolo arms still in place like the fender 6 screw bridge arm screwed in tightly type feel, instead of the tremolo arm rotating freely, making it a pain in the ass.
I have found that a combination of locking tuners and a locking bridge make for a very stable system. It is not as solidly anchored as the typical double-locking system but it's close enough for most players. The fact that it eliminates the inconveniences of the traditional double-locking system while having 'close enough' tuning stability makes a locking bridge and tuners, without the locking nut, the best solution for me. All the above assumes that the nut is setup properly. If the nut is sticking and grabbing strings then tuning will never be stable. Just bending the strings will throw a guitar out of tune if the nut is not right.
I agree - I still owe a guitar with Floyd Rose, but I don't play it nearly as much as my other guitars that has Wilkinson, Hipshot Contour or Fender 2-post trems. A non locking trem with locking tuners is really good enough for me. Setting up a Floyd Rose is way too much hassle for what I play.
locking tuners aint locking anything the way a locking nut does, any quality tuner should work just as well, they dont lock the string length, they just clamp the string and make restringing a little faster, they do not improve tuning stability unless you do not know how to use non locking tuners
locking tuners do not improve tuning stability,they aint locking anything but the string to the peg, quality non locking tuners yield the same result, the locking saddle is where most tuning stability is from as Guthrie demonstrated and explained@@XiyuYang
The original Floyd is only $129 in 2020, less than it was in 1980 per/inflation. With a set of good locking tuners and a proper lubed nut, you're gold.
the original floyd is not in fact only $129, unless you mean the Floyd Rose Special which is significantly an inferior product that does not last long in terms of durability
Yes, though these aren't exactly the first Floyds. These were the non-fiine tuners made in Germany by Schaller. The originals were US made. They are quite different from these. I have 1 left...
he is on another level. metal is probably the only style i haven't heard him play and it would be interesting, i doubt that it's one of his strong points
He just described everything I have grown to dislike about trems/whammy bars. And it appears to be gone on his guitar! I will never trust one again though. For me it's fixed bridge all the way. Also I don't think it's possible for him to have a bad sound with anything! Wonderful stuff!
Pay attention yourself. He didn't say a word about the Wilkinson, nor any other non locking floating tremolo. He only explained his distaste for double locking trems.
The bridge on this guitar, along with the coil splitter and the fact that it's Guthrie's guitar, makes me very interested in buying one of these... it looks great too, but, over 4K is... if only I won the lottery.
Does anyone know where i can find this retro-style floyed rose? The "new" ones also get in the way of my right hand. As a result, i always used normal tremolos and had tunning issues. I really want to get one of these retro-style ones.
I did pay attention and its still there. He didn't have to say Wilkinson in particular, he eluded to the design characteristcs that are flawed in traditional trems. The wilkinson design, although slightly different in form is identical in mechanical function as any other two point trem, e.g. 2 pivot point knife edge systems balanced by rear springs. Those systems have a hard negative break angle from saddles to trem block and the Floyd Rose does not. Same advice, be observant.
So I copied Guthrie and built a frankenstrat with an original, non fine tuner Floyd rose locking bridge, and no locking nut. I put locking tuners on the headstock as well. It never goes out of tune! It's unbelievably stable. Better than my full on Floyd rose setups. What a fantastic set up. Back when they created the original Floyd Rose, I don't even think locking tuners were a thing, but they go great with the Floyd rose. The bride is amazing looking without the ugly fine tuners on it as well.
@@ernestoortiz8672 its pretty good but I'm wishing I got the vintage schaller instead. It's the only other 72mm spaced trem and it appears to be better than the Floyd in some respects, like intonation and being able to raise the saddles. I built 2 guitars, both have non fine tuner Floyds in them. They're good, but I wished I'd done one of each. Most people online prefer the schaller over the floyd. My guitars stay in tune though, so there's that. If you have a flat neck or buy some shims the Floyd will be fine. Any sort of radius neck, go with the schaller Vintage Tremolo 72mm 2 post.
+ProgMax1992 If you have decent strings they will not break, I use elixir strings and that doesn't happen. Guthrie uses rotosound strings as far as I remember.
ItalyNerf Now that I think closer about this topic I come to the conclusion that if it doesn't work that's most likely due to like you said bad strings or sharp parts on a "cheap guitar". If you can pull the string up orthogonally from your guitar like crazy, why shouldn't you be able to bend it as far (provided you have gorillafingers :P) without it breaking.
A roller nut is great but Guthrie is happier tone-wise with a bone nut -- lubrication and a low break-angle keep solid tuning at the nut. But that alone can't help with tuning issues caused AT THE BRIDGE. Tuning issues happen due to intermittent stick/slip friction AT BOTH ENDS of a guitar. You either need "zero" friction at the nut AND bridge (roller nut, roller saddles . . . which don't always work or sound great) or "infinite" friction (locking bridge/nut, which DO work well but have other drawbacks) or some combination of the two choices at both ends before the string gets to the "anchor" points. (Responding to old post, I know)
How come there are no more guitars besides the guthrie govan signature that comes with this non fine tuner tremolo? I would love to buy a guitar stock with this bridge.
I am a little unclear exactly what the modification consists of in terms of parts and procedure - I have a Charvel DK 24 HSH with the floating trem - and would be very interested to try this out - but am not familiar with the floyd rose parts. Would the parts be something one would need to find used somewhere - because they don't make them anymore?
It's a Floyd Rose Non-Fine-Tuner. Floyd Rose sells them on their website. Fair warning, the routing is *weird*. It's larger than most non-locking trems, but shorter than the fine-tuner Floyds - so you will need to do woodworking or live with a trem that doesn't quite work as intended. It's better to either get a luthier to do the routing and installation, or simply trade your guitar in for a Guthrie signature. Charvel uses their own version which is *only* on the Guthrie Govan models, but the differences are minimal.
Floyd Rose currently has them on sale if you want one! 6 String only though... :P but cool nonetheless. Look up the Floyd Rose web site, click on Tremolos, scroll down halfway, look to your left, and there it is!
Can someone explain to me why Guthrie thinks this tremolo enables Drop D? If it's a floating tremolo, I can't see why you wouldn't have exactly the same problem as standard Floyd Rose's - with the other strings being detuned when the E string is dropped? (Making the retuning process much longer, and also requiring the spring tension to be adjusted to relevel the bridge... maybe even redo the intonation)
He didn't show/explain it in this video but he has a tremel-no fitted on his signature guitars. It's a little device that you attach to the springs of the tremolo which can lock the springs in place so you can basically turn the guitar into a hardtail whenever you want. So he'd quickly engage that before dropping the tuning
The locking nut would prevent him from even trying without loosening the nut first. Arguably as well, the tension difference from Drop D is nowhere near bad enough to cause drastic anomalies. It's very doable to just go to Drop D and have a mess-around on a floating Strat bridge. He also, as rightly pointed out, has a Tremol-No in there so he just tightens that first.
I wonder if using a Wilkinson bridge would work for Guthrie in the same way he uses those retro Floyd Rose bridges? You often see Wilkinson's paired with locking tuners. Also, swap out that nut for a roller nut, and you'll have one killer guitar!
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i believe the saddles are locking on that early design floyd rose, thats where most of the tuning stability is from, locking tuners do not lock that way, quality non lockers just as good or better when strung properly, especially if headstock is not angled back
OK so did Guthrie ever explain what those two things are by the volume and tone knobs? I don't think the final version of his guitar has those but he made them out to be a big secret in the other interviews and he never explained them!
+Kieron Edwards What are you talking about? The switch on Guthrie's Suhr guitar bypassed the volume and tone control and used the bridge humbucker...this is very useful because you can play a jazzy part with the tone pot rolled pretty high off and same with the volume, then bam hit that switch and you're in rock mode, hit it again an you're back at clean jazz. A pickup selector switch will not do this.
I love the original, original non fine tuner Floyd. I used a Bill Edwards locking nut, which has little flip tabs, vice the allen bolts, to lock strings down. I also prefer the original trem arm, vice the crew in collar...
Your intonation is probably off. (proper intonation adjustment is what makes it possible for the guitar to be in tune with itself above and below the 12th fret) Goto your local guitar shop and ask a qualified guitar tech if they can adjust it for you. You may have to pay for a basic setup, but it's worth it if you dont already know how to do it. (even better if they can actually SHOW you how its done.) There are also videos on RU-vid that show how to do this, but depending on your guitar bridge, and your experience level, you may be better off having somebody more qualified show you how its done. (especially if you have a Floyd Rose tremelo)
I called the company and they have no plans to make this style of Floyd Rose for lefties as of now. Would totally buy one as I also don't like the fine tuners or the lock nut style.
So is there a reason people do not like the Floyd Rose Pro?I know Guthrie wants to be able to bend at the head stock but what do other people think? I'm interested in trying one.
I have the same problem, but I refuse to use a traditional 'screw in' bar because I need to be able to move it out of the way for sweep picking and such, or to use the whammy bar from behind, etc, without having to dick with it anymore than I must between notes. I'd say the beat solution would just be to have them machine their trem-arm sockets more precisely as so to make threaded collar style arms more solid.
does anyone know if Guthrie uses some sort of special strings for those crazy bends? i can't normally bend much past 3 frets and he seems to be doing 5-6
As far as I know he uses Daddario .10 .44 strings, which aren't super heavy but not super light either. He just has an insane bending technique. There's a video where he plays the theme from flight of the bumblebee just by bending and controlling every single semitone he bends, I guess once you practice bending enough to be able to do that you start feeling capable of going further with how much you're bending the string. Still, if you feel like your string gauge gets in the way of your bends, there's no shame in moving to a lighter one, Allan Holdsworth sometimes played on .08s and he's still regarded as the best fusion guitarist ever alongside Guthrie.
Oh wow it has the original arm as well. I have one some where. In the '80's I've built one myself but that one I've sold with the guitar which it was one. A perfectly in tune staying HSS strat which I foolishly sold because I thought a 'real' superstrat would be better.
Sorry I just can't reach to understand which model of trem he uses, in fact if I could the main problem is to finding here in my country. Regards From México City folks!
César Márquez it’s a non fine tuners Floyd Rose. Like a 2 point strat bridge but the string is clamped on the saddle instead of anchored on the trem block.
Wouldn't work on a vintage-style Floyd. The string-lock screw isn't long enough for starters, and the design's function is predicated on the upper ledge where the fine-tuners are being there.
I don't usually care about this, but does anyone know what strings he's using? They sound great and for some reason look like they would feel nice and smooth to play.
@@mrgaudy1954 What does that mean? A regular Floyd Rose locks at the nut and has a floating bridge. I've never heard of a locking bridge. That almost sounds like a fixed bridge.
Its because of Bob Sperzel's staggered (in height) locking tuner invention that the original non-fine-tuner Floyd Rose tremolo makes much more sense than the double locking Floyd with the annoying fine tuners and the evenly annoying locking nut.
nonsense locking tuners do not lock string length and staggered are for non angled headstocks. same results can be had with any quality non locking tuner if you know how to string properly
Nice to hear a name player like Govan refer to "the clunk" associated with subtle use of the bar with the threaded collar attachment...I can't stand it either, and am the process of putting old-school bars on my Floyds.
