Guthrie Govan on the Pitfalls of Scale Shapes 

I like the fact that you still have so much faith on the next generation considering all the electronic music that they listen to today.

Agreed

@@vulfkachnanajza4483 electric guitars aren't exactly gregorian chants are they

He is a genius

@@theworsttake They are the epitome of that

Other good teacher (which I might consider as the best I've ever seen) is Frank Gambale. Check him out.

My favorite thing is he is excited to teach people new things even if over a video. Probably super nice in person too

Loved his old guitar techniques column. 👍

Its funny how hes been doing loops for almost 20 years. My brother went to ACM in Guildford for 2/3 years back in 2004ish and Guthrie was one of his tutors. When my brother would come back home I'd hear stories of this guy called Guthrie who is just mind blowingly good... Sometimes, whilst everyone is still entering the class and walking to their seats, Guthrie would already been in the room messing around with some tune he's improvised and looped, not realising how insane he is, haha. Fast forward to 2008ish and the dawn of RU-vid, its been great watching Guthrie get the recognition he deserves. Remember even being salty that HE should be part of the G3 tours etc, and how awesome it would be... Years later, now everyone knows how amazing he is. And lastly, do you know who else studied at ACM Guildford and made a career out of using loops? Ed Sheerhan hahaha

3allz I love stories like this. My friend also went to ACM when GG was there. He would always tell me that this guy was just ridiculous. Like, you name it, he could do it. I’ve followed GG’s career ever since I discovered the first video I ever saw and heard him, which was the Larry Carlton track one.

His loops are better than most bands full compositions. He really is a guitar philosopher

He’s brilliant at everything !

@@3allz with respect, anyone even remotely plugged into the UK guitar scene in the early 00s knew Guthrie was an amazing player, even if it was just through his work on Guitar Techniques magazine.

I would love to take lessons from him. Just please don't show up at my next gig, Guthrie 😂

Guthrie is good he actually inspires me to pick up my guitar 😂

😁

@@AstroSully From u.k. Same here, until I pick it up get so far then get stuck! Very frustrating, considering my two lads have been playing bass in rock bands for 18 yrs each! Saw a baritone ukulele tutorial on RU-vid bigger and deeper tone than the others. Tuned D.G.B.E. like a guitar four strings, what’s not to like all over it in no time! An easy way out for me!

Yea Hey

C major is too, I've heard....

@@davefx7949 E phrygian as well..

Well, I love D Dorian..

F# WHOLE TONE AUGMENTED

D minor: sad A minor: quality E minor: IRON MAIDEN

Yeah the dude is obviously smart af

Haha nice Also with me now.

​@@willem9688 yep yep same now

This was easily the funniest way of explaining that particular problem lol

I agree. I could never do the things on a guitar that I do today if it weren't for the five shapes of pentatonics back in the days. They are the walls of a house, and the musicality in between is the interior.

@@kimmossige263 I've always referred to the penta as the skeleton, but walls of a house is an even better analogy haha

Definitely, I don't think you can have the level of control that Guthrie has on the guitar without practicing scales and getting the muscle memory, once you have that it's really easy to come out with more musical phrases which for me would be the next step.

I started learning shapes but quickly switched to slide guitar and learned everything horizontally on every string. Now I navigate the whole fretboard with and without slide having no need for or awareness of the shapes! I recommend learning scales horizontally to new players, with slide especially.

Glad you like them!

I spent years thinking I should 'do' modes, but just not understanding them at all, and they just sounded like shit when I tried to use them...until I saw a Guthrie video where he talked about them as just the pentaonic with 2 extra notes...notes which might sound a little 'off' if you focus on them, but will sound right if you just use them while going to a more 'right' note. He said to use them like a dimmer, to fade them in and out with different levels of strength and accent, rather than an on'off switch. two minutes to teach me what I hadn't understood in 15 years. Such a great teacher.

agreed. I have insane solos in my head which I can not transfer to fretboard

@@gustanoid everyone does 😂 even non musicians. That's the literal metric by which we measure effectiveness, how well you can express yourself on the instrument. It can be learned. Try practicing instead of lamenting!

Try skipping strings and starting on the 2nd degree of the scale when you skip and then the fourth degree on the next skipped string for the fuck of it.

I believe he gave the answer at the end of the video. To make everything you learn sound as natural / fluid as the stuff you are already good at. Which, imho, underscores his mentality about your own voice on the instrument. I believe he mentioned the same thing years ago that he's not interested in "erasing" you from the instrument which supports the statement in this video about technical ability over musicality.In the end, I think he's saying that you have to have a musical vision NOT just a desire to learn. Just my .02

Was there some issue with him and Wilson?

@@metalheadblues the impression I got was that there was some drama between Wilson and Marco Minnemann, and Guthrie is in a band with Marco, so he's kinda dragged into it.

@@ShredST Guthrie and Minnemann are just two clowns and that's why they will leave nothing behind them in terms of music..

@@michaelciancetta6397 you on the other hand left me feeling slightly nauseous so i guess that's something, steven wilson fan.

Michael Ciancetta and you are ?????

Its right up there with E minor

It really is beautiful though

I find Guthrie tends to speak cold, hard sense in a very novel manner

Bingo! It took me a long time to realize I should give up practicing modes as scales. If I want to make a Lydian sound, I add a sharp 4th into my licks / melodies

It's a string dampener. Shredders use them to eliminate rogue drone notes when playing, only the notes you fret will sound and the rest stay mute.

I'm sure Guthrie and Josh would love to take lessons from Robben too. :)

That hit me like David Gilmour.