Gutter Professional Reacts To This Old House Gutter Installation! 

His methods weren’t “old school” they were just incorrect. I’m not saying this gentleman isn’t knowledgeable but he’s gonna cause more problems down the road installing gutter incorrectly.

No idea

As a gutter guy for over 2 decades, closing in on 10k jobs done. Ol Tommy is gonna cost you more in the long run! I haven't watched that vid in a few years but can't recall anything that was done the way a pro would do it. Correction, he's using elastomeric geocel. That's what I use as well.

Not when it comes to guttering! Almost 24 years now, close to 10k jobs done.

My money is on Tommy. Thanks for the critique tho

Glue not calking

Yeah, Tommy's not very smart, what does he know? Amature.

My main primary criteria is economical, functional and not look like crap. Meet all these 3 terms and it's good enough for me. The glue comment? Who cares. It's all on the inside anyway. You think a drywaller cares about how the other side of the drywall repair looks?

Yee haw !!

"guitars" LOL. Autocorrupt strikes again!

Yes, I searched RU-vid for DIY gutter info to answer this exact question, whether the gutter should be behind the drip edge or not. I have not yet found that explicit answer, but for this "reaction" video.

Try ruscoe 12-3 or geocel elastomeric aluminum seam sealer. Malco x style downspout punch is my personal fave.

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Totally agree there are many ways to do these jobs! We just wanted to input our thoughts from our experience

A roll of strip flashing will work just fine where it isn't behind the roof edge. On the new side best thing is to pry it away from the fascia just a touch. I do it by hand but can use a flat bar if needed. Just isnt as pretty after.

Sources differ. I've heard anywhere from 800 to 1000 sq. ft. of roof area for 5" gutter with (1) 2 x 3" downspout.

Flashing

Make a wedge block out of azak 5/4

They make a few different wedges or blocks and t straps as well

lol a lot!

works fine

Rather than pouring in some water, just use your garden hose.

we use Raytec hidden hangers!

A Gutter sealant called, Geocel

Geocel 2320

RU-vid is full of douche bags doing callout videos.

Agree!

I would criticize as well it's a hack job and now thousands of people will install the gutter incorrectly. If anything they are being unprofessional.

Go read some of the professionals' comments on the original video. Some seem to have a very high opinion of themselves, and were quite insulting. This video was more of a review of the procedure, which I found valuable, and his tone was measured and reasonable.

I don’t think he criticized just shared where he would have done it differently and the reasons as to why and also went further to suggest the possibility of that different approach might be because he lives in Montana. Also gave the guy props at certain points as well when he shared he would had used a different method as in using tin snippers or whatever vs a chisel (said still looked good) and at the very end said he does a decent job. Just gave his honest opinion good or bad nothing personal. I took it as a learning opportunity video. And even if let’s say this guy did it all backwards there was still the potential to learn the skill of how to speak to a client and I think he does 10/10 job. With that all said I am not telling you are wrong or don’t have a right to share your opinion/ just that someone else thinks differently and that’s the beauty of this platform to learn from one another weather good or bad it’s just different. And hopefully the guy who made this video won’t feel the need to change his own personal thoughts and feelings and the way he honestly would critique a method in the hopes to not hurt someone’s feelings. At the end of the day it’s all about code and the reasons why those codes or whatever were put in place to begin with. This Old House family could be the nicest people in the world but that ain’t gonna prevent some flimsy gutters being blown apart from ice in the winter. IMO

Great point as that is very important! Up here in Montana we generally aim for 1/4" for every 40'

@@StartARainGutterBusiness thanks for clarifying that... I have a 63 foot run on the side of my house and a half inch every ten feet would mean id be off the facia at the end lol

I do an 1/8 of a pitch every 2 ft but depends on the run an number of downspouts it’s not a bad idea to start your gutter perfectly level and then pitch it remember how water flows

There is absolutely no reason to slope a gutter. Gutters should ALWAYS be installed level, sunce water in a closed system will drain at the same rate at all points in that system. In other words, the water can never accumulate in a level gutter because the opening for the downspout is at the same elevation as the rest of the bottom of the gutter.

Spec in my area is 1 inch every 40 feet. I have been reported for failing a home inspection for having less. I think that is a bit picky since I always water test when I install. The recommendation is that a 2x3 down will handle about 600 sq. ft. while a 3x4 will handle 1200.

When you print the gutter off of the machine, it is is still connected to the rest of the metal on the rollers and has to be removed.

Maybe. Its hard to assess without complete information such as square footage, roof pitch, gutter size & length, etc.

Agreed!

I bet you’re fun at parties!

@@DeadPoolSniper Actually, that’s kind of you to notice. Notice, too, that flames don’t have shadows.

​@@tmcg4019Gay people have shadows.

what is back flash?

@@mikemiller9891 we put a piece of allunium strip 3 inches wide under the drip edge and inside the gutter to prevent leaks between the gutter and fascia

They defiantly have some great info! But everyone has their own ways of doing things

Your ridiculous, this gutter will work just fine , stop with the hate

I'd love to see a pullout test on an impact driven screw vs a drill driven screw I would bet that the drill driven screw wins hands down.

Or a chisel to cut a hole. They make hole saws or at least a step bit lol.

​@stevenllewellyn8906 he's targeted home owners, teaching them how to do it with out going out and buying and thousands in tools. I'm surprised you didn't figure that out.

@@jackblackattack was that supposed to make sense? Are you retarded?

Why will water leak behind?

Makes me regret buying a 2 story house.

Exactly!! You could buy all the tools you need and still do the job for a fraction....may not be A+ work, but I'm okay with functioning B+

I didn't think it was possible, but you offered even less useful information than the guy in this video did. Ok, we're all sooo impressed with your superior knowledge, but could you, like, say, offer something useful to the discussion and state what was wrong with Tommy's installation and how it should have been done differently?

Idk who Tommy is and idk who this Josh guy is. As he explained in his reaction you want the gutter installed under the drip edge to prevent water from damaging the fascia. It won’t cause immediate damage but a few years down the road you’re gonna have a lot of wood rot if not properly protected. I install gutters daily and I replace a lot of wood rot caused from either not having gutter or improperly installed gutters. And another thing not as important but sealing the end caps. Like this guy said I’m his reaction, crimp the end cap first then seal the inside seem. That sealer is getting all over your brand new gutters the way he did it lol. I’d never use a chalk line only because again the gutter should be up under the drip edge and I’ve yet to come across a roof that’s perfectly pitched one way or another. We use a level on the inside of the gutter and make adjustments as we go down hanger to hanger. Now if you for some reason can’t get the gutter underneath you still should put some flashing “drip edge extension” to keep the water from contacting the fascia. I’m not trying to be a know it all because I’m not. Just giving my perspective since this is the line of work I’m in.

@@DeadPoolSniper thank you for advices. Very helpful for me.

So what can we do to protect the hanger screw hole from getting water and then causing dry rot. I was going to use these same hangers but then I heard the comments about screw hole goes deep into the gutter where it will take in water on heavy rainfall when gutter gets full?? Thanks for the help

You also didn’t explain how you would level the gutter differently without a chalk line. Would you put the gutter straight against the house and drip edge and slightly lower the side you are wanting it to drain towards?