Gwyn without parrying is a good challenge, there's that one particular stab attack so mean that it would roll-catch me 80% of the time. And the positioning when healing is so crucial because he can just hop across the whole arena lol.
Sorry bro, I suck at parrying as well and still found him 100 times easier than Manus, Artorias, and essentially all the main DLC Bosses. Gwyn is just a cake walk in general. You let him hit you tho, then yea your probably dead. But otherwise, he is meant to be a withered husk of his former self. Ds1 and Ds2 parries are the easiest to hit also, little to no delay like in Ds3
@@crunkdaconqueror778 comparing Gwyn to the DLC bosses makes no goddamn sense dude, the DLC bosses in Dark Souls games are objectively stronger than their final bosses. Friede, Midir, and Gael are way tougher than SoC, Ivory King, Fume Knight, and Sihn to Nishandra, and of course what you just said. I mean, Manus has 6665 hp for heaven's sake! Gwyn has 4250 in comparison. Comparing them is unfair, Gwyn is tough on his own if you don't just parry cheese him
@@Hewasnumber1 They probably ran out of development time, Miyazaki and Sataki and Wargai had the idea of a boss that almost needs every skill combined to defeat but maybe they didn't have enough time or enough technical support to implement it smoothly back in 2012.
@@chosenundead5009 'every skill combined' ah, like a Dragonfly in elden ring, or a Slivermom ninjaflipping with one of those tracer weapons in oolacile
@@Weldedhodag Now we Don't speak about those, these are the legends and pinnacle of a pvp Era in Lordran where Time and Logic were really convoluted, add to them the Wall of Anor Londo and Giant dad.
I was punished enough running back to the four kings over and over directly before I got to gwyn. No way in hell was I doing the gwyn runback again if I can first try him.
because parrying him is more fitting with the narrative. this is no longer gwyn the god of sunlight, this is gwyn the lord of cinder, a husk of who he once were. you dont hear the grand sound of a bombastic boss fight but the plin plin plon of a melancholic hymn. this isn't a boss fight, this is a mercy killing. and you parry him to end the fight quickly and end his misery
Gwyn in his prime must have been absolutely nuts in the 1v1. Even here he has that signature aggression and swordsmanship displayed by his own knights. They’re some of the only enemies that really feel like they’re dictating the pace in DS1
@@Salloom0 not sure about that I mean even in NG+7 the chosen one can one shot his ass so I don't think he would absolutely destroy the chosen one that easily. For reference: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aNxLwegvvqA.html
@@checkitoutguys1 I know that in-game u could basically parry riposte gwyn to death but that's severely weakened gwyn who's soul got consumed by the fire in a try to extend the age of fire I'm talking about young gwyn who is the lord of sunlight and as i stated before is the inspiration of all miracles
You can LITERALLY one shot EVERY SINGLE BOSS in the game at max SL... That's arguably the peak chosen one... So no, he wouldn't come even close to destroying the chosen one.@@Salloom0
@@pyro3215 Nope, but it's difficult to try and learn the moveset of the boss when you can't heal during the boss. Ofc it would be easy to first try if you just abuse his grab attack, but I tried to beat him while not just abusing his grab. If you beat him first try not abusing grab or parry, gz I guess? You first tried a pretty easy fromsoft boss. He's difficult in ds1, but no boss in ds1 is difficult compared to other titles.
A big problem that I found with Gwyn the first time I played Dark Souls is the fact that he has very little downtime in between his attacks due to his speed and ability to close the gap when you’re at range. This makes trying to use Estus much harder in comparison to the majority of the game prior to this point. It leads to many scenarios such as the one at 1:22, where you can set yourself up in an ideal position and opportunity to heal, and still get hit before you’re able to get out of the end of the drinking animation. If that were any other boss, he more than likely would’ve been able to dodge in time and take no damage. It’s only because of Gwyn’s rocket-powered movement and sizable swinging arc that he was forced to lose part of the health that he restored.
I replayed that section back at 0.25x speed, and yeah, your second sip came so late that it actually healed you _after_ you took the damage from the swing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before; you must’ve hit it on like the exact same frame as Gwyn’s strike.
I also like that the yellow arrow on the HUD perfectly marks out where your health was at when you began that sequence. It helped gauge the damage to show that you lost about 95% of the health from that first Estus sip. I almost thought you had put that arrow there yourself, for a second.
He actually has decent downtime between attacks just 1 attack called fast slash and bro it has 26 frame windup, which is insane like it id very hard to actually parry that one (still possible)
This triggers my PTSD that i got from a black knight playthrough AND MY GOD WAS GWYN HARD. Thanks to the fact that i was not just a black knight, i was THE black knight. All 4 BK weapons equipped in the 4 slots, no shield, fat roll and NG+. It was pure agony.
*me after refusing to parry, and instead fat rolling the entire fight with smough's armor and a dragon tooth while everyone was saying he was super easy:*
Gwyn with parrying feels like a god at his last strech, trying desperately to hold on to his throne, but easily felled by his stronger and better replacement, and that's just saddest ending when you think about it.
Never parried him, nor bosses like Pontiff. But to be honest, I think that has less to do with me being too proud to, and more to do with my absolute lack of knowing how to parry lol.
If you have to actively not choose to use one of the main mechanics to make him more challenging then the boss really isn’t that challenging though lmao
I don't want to sound like I'm bragging here, but I have done Gwyn without parrying ng+7, and i was HARD. It took me several days to finally put the old guy down, but it was worth it. When I beat him that time I felt more accomplished than any other attempt I had done parrying combined. I felt it was only right to get the age of fire ending...
After all this time fighting the corrupted beasts and giants of Lordran; the undead hollows; the demons from the depths of Izalith's fake first flame; the giant skeletons of Gravelord Nito's domain; the ghosts and horrifying Dark Wraiths of New Londo; the crystallian abominations experimented on by Seath the Scaleless... Your final challenge is dude with a sword
I beat Gwyn on the first try, no parrying. My first playthrough to get past Anor Londo I lucked out and got a Black Knight Sword from the first black knight in the undead burg, and I used it the whole run. Grabbed the stone armour and shield early, and upgraded to the giant's armour and shield on reaching Anor Londo. The only boss I had real trouble with was the four ghost kings (I forget the name) in the area below firelink. Beat Gwyn on the strength of just blocking everything he threw at me and retaliating in safe moments. I've loved that playstyle in souls-likes ever since.
the crazy part about this is that he is weak, compared to other bosses, because he is rotting decaying and basically already dead, it was disappointing the first time i beat him compared to for example sekiro ds end bosses were not really peak, but that is probably what made us yearn for more, making a message in our mind that brought us to embrace the struggle not the result. I wish there was a way to fight the og gwyn would have been insane.
I remember that I level up too much in the dlc that when I got to Gwyn I was to OP for him, I always consider him a disappointment, not the biggest one in the whole franchise but a huge one
@@stephenkamps8925 That's a lame excuse hahaha, not but seriously, the final boss is supposed to be the real thing imagine if he was still OP and you'd say "Wow if he's that powerful all weak I don't want to even imagine when he was at his prime"
Gwyn without parrying is easier than gwyn with parrying, get yourself a reinforced club, infuse with chaos and get 10 humanity, he staggers from 2 hits, so u basically beat him to death, watch any sl1 gwyn no roll kill
I agree 100% probably my favorite fight in the game. The only thing i dislike is his frame 1 one handed quick slash attack that is almost impossoble to react to.
Gwyn without parrying makes it difficult yes, but for me gwyn being an easy boss fits more because he’s been maintaining the flame and with time he has become weaker and weaker, also the sad music makes you see that this isn’t the final boss we expected but a man who is in pain. Our last mission is to end his suffering and succeed him.
Even without parry he has so little poise that any great weapon heavy attack will stun him and greatswords with 2h still stun him in 2 or 3 hits. With smaller weapons he is harder tho.
i played a sorcerer with no way to parry equipped on my first playthrough and couldn’t even hit his ass bc of his input reading perfect spell dodge bullshit
I also have problem with parrying. So I didn't even try to use it. And I kept dying in fight with Gwyn, I thought he was hard, but people said he's easy.
I beat him first try without parrying using a melee build. I had a good enough shield/poise/endurance to block some of his attacks. It was one of the easier bosses in the game.
I didn’t know how to parry, left him one hit and let him kill me cause I realised I needed to kill Gwyndolin first for the platinum trophy, he’s EASY anyways
I stunlock Gwin with the Claymore with two 2 handed R1s... I buff with with sunlightblade,after entering the fog gate dodge his first attack then stun lock him,until my stamina goes out. I hit like 6 times and half his health bar is gone,then just wait for in jumping lunge attack or grab attack,dodge repeat and its over. Even in ng+s he doesnt stand a chance
I really wish he couldn't be parried and had a lot more poise. Players who couldn't beat Gwyn by actually fighting him always resorted to parrying him.
I didn't parry him because I thought it would be incredibly cheap. I've always considered parry mechanics in video game to be lame, it's like: "You timed your block woooo! Here have this counter attack that does insane damage and cannot be defended against" So naturally I suffered fighting him, but it paid off years later: While I was playing Dark Souls 3 and fought the Soul of Cinder. The moment those notes hit in the second stage I entered a state of calmness and euphoria. I was low on estus, low on mana but I didn't need any of that as I already learned his moves. I beat him within the first try I got to the second stage, twas a well earned victory.
Why I always played without shields, I just think this game was meant to be played without shields, it plays much better, difficulty synchronizes much better, much more enjoyable imo.
I parry him because he has like 4 attacks. After playing through the entirety of dark souls 3 and elden ring multiple times, I no longer see gywn as a challenge but as a means of going to ng+ for the 500th time.
Yesterday i platinum Dark souls i left the Dark lord end as my final achievement to unlock so i could finish the game for the third time,Gwyn having over 7K hp and being able to 1 shot me at lvl 140 was a bit of a struggle ngl
I never do Gwyn no parry, because some of his attacks are simply too fast for DS1, and therefore bs imo. The recovery on anything but very fast weapons is way too long to exploit any openings without taking a hit, and on NG+7 you get consistently 2 tapped, so just tanking a hit to return one is no longer viable, especially because you basically get no down time to heal. I don't like having to grind up a straight sword or estoc to max level on my strength playthrough, just to fight Gwyn no parry. Shields are viable in every build, and you'll definitely have something to do decent riposte damage, even if its just you're fully upgraded main weapon.
gwyn is a little bullshit and unfair without parry his snap attack at 0:56 probably the worst attack of the serie because of the rng i didn't even know than it was possible to dodge it and it was very very close lol , he can also use delayed attack who are delayed enough to hit you if you dodge too fast, try to beat him with dodge only in no hit SL1 if possible if you can , because i didn't found someone on youtube
I don’t know if I’m good enough at dark souls one yet for a sl1, I’m currently doing one on dark souls 3 posted 2 vids on it you have to do 0 hit on ds3 because any attack kills me as I’m doing club only
@@lukrs_ ds1 is not really hard at SL1 it's the easiest of the series they are not many boss moveset who are really complex and not many attack even from boss dlc who can one shot you gwyn SL1 whitout shield is kinda hard mainly because of his snap and stab attack but you can stagger him with club and abuse it
Manus is so much harder than gwyn obviously he’s gonna be a cake walk, also this isn’t “skill issue” if I didn’t struggle on him I’m just saying he isn’t the pushover he is with parrying
@@lukrs_ and I said that because it's insanely easy even without parry, so it doesn't feel like a boss and I said that because he's insanely easy even without parry, so he doesn't seem like a boss with a shield or without a shield
I would not say a joke, not a hard boss definietly but he still hits hard, i do not use parries when i play souls games so i died to him like 4 times on first playthrough cause he can still fuck you up quite bad on some attacks
@@spiral4231 yeah i get what you mean, you go all this way expecting some epic bossfight and instead fight a hollow husk with sad music in the background. But i think it was a good bossfight in its own way especially if you consider the lore
