I believe the reason it is called Haiku is primarily because BeOS' native web browser was known for giving its error messages as a haiku....for example "The web site you seek / Lies beyond our perception / But others await."
@@Luredreier eh? How would the "other way around" work - the Netpositive browser used Haiku error messages because the successor to the OS it ran on (which didn't exist yet) would someday be called "Haiku"...?
@@nickwallette6201 nitpick: Haiku was originally called "OpenBeOS" - Zeta was something separate, namely an attempt to update/modernize the existing BeOS (which fizzled out for a variety of reasons, not the least of which because the guy behind it - Bernd Korz - allegedly didn't have any rights to the source, or to even distribute the software).
BeOS at the time was ahead of its time. It was very efficient on hardware and much easier to develop software on. It could play multiple videos at the same time when Window 98 could only play one video without dropping frames on my PC when I tested it back then.
Playing videos as textures on the sides of a 3D cube spinning in a window. Meanwhile Windows, Xwindows for Linux and System 9 for the latest Macs all treated graphics cards like nothing more than a dumb framebuffer...
People forget how depressing the mid-90s was for computing. Microsoft was dominating more and more but there were quite a number of competitors that were just plain better, sometimes spectacularly so, but couldn't carve off enough of a market to be viable long term. So many 'what might have beens'. BeOS was of course going to be the new Mac OS briefly, which might have been interesting. But at least Apple finally took on neXt and a killer 90s OS finally broke through. Good luck, Haiku.
Choice is great, the more the merrier. The alternative OS overviews and Single Board reviews are my two favourite aspects of the channel, though there's plenty more to enjoy here too.
I must say, this is the greatest computing channel on RU-vid. You are an amazing teacher, without being frilly or ridiculous. I always learn something when I watch your channel. There is something amazing about someone who can just lay out the facts, as it were, and make it stick. You can do that and its amazing. As a teacher, I respect that indefinable quality when I see it. Keep up the great work!
Great to see you covering the Haiku project. I used to be a huge fan of BeOS back in the day and used it as my main OS for a good few years. I've already tried out the Haiku beta and was pleased to see it ran off of USB quite well on my main box. Cool video, hopefully it will help to spread awareness of Haiku.
I find operating systems fascinating, it's unfortunate there aren't more alternate systems. But I guess we should be grateful we have anything besides windows at all.
K 9 Poodle These days compatibility issues are far less significant than they were in, say, the 1980s and 1990s, when getting a file between one word processor and another could be a nightmare. With so many apps having cloud versions/options, exchanging data and accessing resources is possible with any OS that offers a decent browser. So yes, compatibility is an issue, but not the constraint it once was.
@@420sakura1 @ExplainingComputers I realize this is anecdotal, but I am a pretty heavy Linux user and I have yet to come across a Windows application that doesn't run on WINE or some other compatibility layer. Also I'm taking computer programming course and every program I've written as homework has been on a Linux computer, yet my professor uses Windows and hasn't had an issue with my assignments (but maybe he has given up and is just giving me A's for the sake of simplicity. JK he is a great teacher)
Available software is a huge factor in an OS's life expectancy, as is driver support. What good is LibreOffice running on it when the OS doesn't talk to my printer? On that note, on what kind of hardware does it run? Could I put it on a Pi? A ten year old office rig with 1 GB of RAM and a slow dual core CPU? There might be applications for a modern and really light-weight OS.
Thanks Chris, I think the reason there are so few O.S. choices around is because there just aren't enough professional journalists like yourself covering all the computer world and technology bases with the level of enthusiasm you do. BBC's "Click" programme rarely goes in depth nor is ever long enough and Channel 5's Gadget Show spends more time on midlife crisis toys and expensive waste of money junk while reading a list of between 50 and 70 items you have no hope of winning in their premium rate phone in entry. Between both parties they just display very lazy journalism but doing the bare minimum to fool their audiences into thinking they learned something. I think you're the only guy whom at this time actually produces content of the BBC's "Tomorrow's World" calibre and doing a thorough and worthwhile job to boot. The content in all your videos shows that you take pride in your work and that's a rare thing these days. How many more O.S.'s do you think you might uncover before the end of this decade?
I'm totally happy with Linux Mint, so I won't be changing, but I'm glad that there are alternative operating systems out there that aren't just alternate Linux distros, like Haiku and ReactOS and FreeBSD.
+@@logicalphallusy2364 And linux was cloning UNIX back in the day. What's your point? Heck, even Windows was originally a clone of another OS although I don't remember what OS that was...
No, Linux was not trying to clone UNIX. Linux is a recursive acronym which means "Linux is not Unix". And even if Linux is in a lot of ways similar to UNIX, they are not the same, and sufficiently different enough to count as different OSes. But my point is ReactOS and Haiku (at least for the first release of it) are aiming for 1:1 parity of their respective OSes. They are essentially clones.
There are lots of videos explaining the history of Linux. This is greatly oversimplified, and I'm not a tech history expert, so please don't burn me at the stake for any errors, but generally, it started with Multics as an OS for big honking mainframes. Then Unics was derived from Multics, but followers started calling it Unix. Minix came from Unix as a hobbyist thing. Then Linux came from Minix as a more stable OS for quasi-serious users. BSD and then Free BSD also got split off from Unix somewhere along there, but is not as popular as Linux, so doesn't have as large a software library as Linux, so is not as popular as Linux, so doesn't have as large a software library as Linux, oh...... OTOH, Windows started as a GUI application program that ran under MS/DOS. MS/DOS was derived from CP/M (some peeps would say "pirated" but that's open for debate). OS/2 was developed by IBM for their PS/2 systems. OS/2 was an awesome OS that was way ahead of its time at the time. But their PS/2 systems used a proprietary hardware bus that their lawyers defended aggressively, so the whole shebang died an ignoble death (big companies will _never_ learn that people will always choose open systems even over superior proprietary alternatives -- corporate executives are just _stupid_ that way). React OS claims to be written entirely from scratch, with no Linux code at all, but able to run Windows programs natively. We'll seehow Microft's lawyers react to that...
I never leave thank yous on videos, I don't even watch these kind of videos, but today after the end of support for Windows 7 I decided to check alternatives but I was quite sure I could get lost in the way trying to follow the usual kind of IT videos I have seen before when trying to find solutions to the problems or issues I have with devices, or just out of the sudden attack of curiousity. This video was actually great: simple, clear, well elocuted, informative and explanative and answered questions I didn't even know I could have. Thank you, sir, thank you very much.
Beta 3 is available now. At this speed there will for sure be a stable release avaivable in just a couple of years. If you want to speed up development, please consider to donate. Haiku don't have much resources unlike other bigger open source projects, so every little bit counts. Keep in mind that Haiku runs professional quality software like: Blender (3D creation software), Libreoffice (open source office suit), Krita (open source painting program), Godot (open source game engine); so Haiku has great potential.
We need more Open Source systems. That way we won't be limited to Microsoft's Windows. I mean, anyone who studied economics knows that competition is good for the consumer.
I only taught Linux was the only Open source Operating system but I was wrong. There are Many of them, thanks for providing us with your support and knowledge Sir.
Not quite the main priority with an os naturally, but I have to say I love the haiku gui. The best looking icon style I have seen on a modern os and a pleasantly intuitive interface.
I was a big fan of BeOS back in the day and its drive to create a new system designed to take full advantage of the power available in modern computers without all of the legacy bloat that slows other operating systems down. I was disappointed when it was dropped before it had a real chance to gain any traction.
I had a BeBox back in the day and about 18-20 years ago I used to run BeOS.. I gotta say it's the most enjoyable OS I ever used so been paying close attention to Haiku over the years..
Thanks again for another great insight on a alternative OS. Because of this considerable resource of OS breakdowns and 'shout outs', I have become the proud user of many options you've put forward!!! Cheers buddy 🍺
Oh man, I really miss BeOS. 😪 I switched to it almost 100% for a while at the turn of the century. It was lean mean and clean, and beautiful. And so agile. I remember showing friends how you could read audio from a CD like the tracks were just wav files by opening a Tracker window - and then pass them through an MP3 encoder - into one of the media players that could stream its audio via http - to another media player that could play the audio from the http stream. All in real time, on a Pentium II. It was a pointless Rube Goldberg machine, but it showed how smooth the multitasking was, and how all the modular components of the OS could be chained to do really cool stuff.
I played around with BeOS a very long time ago (as in, back in the R3 days when it first got ported to x86) and I still have a copy of R5 laying around somewhere. Some day I'd still like to find and restore a BeBox (but I doubt I'll ever see one). I'm glad to see that people are keeping the BeOS dream alive even now.
I remember using BeOS on a Power Computing Macintosh clone (when Apple had authorized clone machines to be sold) that had a G3 (PowerPC 603 processor) in it. The MacOS was the Mac Classic System 7 at that time. I had BeOS installed on an Iomega Jaz drive (the zip drive's big brother) that had a whopping (at the time) 1GB storage. I could boot from it if the cartridge was in the machine at boot time. I had to admit how amazed I was at the speed of BeOS. Compared to MacOS, BeOS ran like an Indy race car vs Mac Classic that was more in line with maybe a Model T (or maybe a model A). Unfortunately, it was very much beta at the time I had it and there were not many apps available to try on it. Even the web browser (same NetPositive used in Haiku) was very rudimentary in its operations. There were many people who wanted BeOS to become the next Mac OS (post Mac Classic) but Steve Jobs would have none of it and went with the NextStep system he brought over from Next. I've seen occasional references to Haiku, which went out into the world pretty much in an orphaned state because the company that backed it went away, AFAIK. Its unusual desktop took a bit of trial and error to understand, but it was always blazingly fast.
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I remember when I was running Be on an 166Mhz Pentium1 with 64Mb of ram... damn, I could actually browse the internet with that and listen to music files... Haven't used Be or Haiku since early 2000s but it's so nice to see the project keeping up and going strong!
A very nice short video. Good coverage of features. And not a single thing was cringey from a BeOS/Haiku fan's point of v.iew. Thank you! :) Basically, for a wider adoption this OS needs just a port of any "modern" browser. Everything else is more or less portable from other systems and will come with growing population.
I used to be a BeOS programmer, I had written on many projects within the OS itself. I even created BeMachines, an X86 version of the BeBox. IT was extremely fast for the time.
The nifty thing about Haiku is that it's somehow still a single-user operating system in the modern day. And for most personal computing tasks there's actually nothing wrong with that.
little historical tidbit ... Haiku started as project in 2001 to produce an open-source version of BeOS which had just been purchased by Palm and had its development ceased the initial alpha version was released in 2009 and just last year (2018) a beta version and BeOS itself has an interesting backstory -- its developers likely had in mind licensing it to Apple , as did NextStep separately (which did essentially get morphed into being Mac OS X)
You could run BeOS off a CD which was novel at the time. BeOS was nearly chosen as the successor for the old Mac operating system until Jobs came back and they went with Unix based OS X.
Wow this looks like a fun OS to try out. I have an older 5 year old testing laptop that runs windows 10 super slow so i think I'll try installing and running the Haiku OS on it! Thank you very much for making your great instructional video and the tip on the USB boot drive software as I'll try that out as well. Cheers! 😎
15 years ago when installed new OS there was a tonn of desktop apps to install (took up to half a day long). Now you can count them on one hand. Everything else went into the phone or to the web. Thus OSs like Haiku being lightweight and easy to use have a very good chance to find their spot.
It is really nice Haiku! Hello my VMs, your poetry time has come! Rejoice! Haiku OS - Haiku code. Excellent choice Chris! And great video as expected! Yes Mr. Scissors, you are king of your scissordom.
Glad there are folks messing with this kind of thing, it only enriches the world of computers & IT, ultimately. But by making the U.I. look so '90s, they're shooting themselves in the foot. Surely less than 10% of geeks & nerds are seriously interested in graphic nostalgia of this scale. We are an extremely visual era, and the slickest graphics-of-the-moment always give devs & systems an advantage over their competitors. If the Haiku devs aren't sensitive to that, themselves, they should hire a young designer who _is_ - for the good of this project. Even if they only got rid of those '90s-style icons, that'd be a massive improvement!
Glad to see that Haiku development hasn't stalled! For info, BeOS was considered for a while as a replacement for the old Mac OS, but was abandoned in favor of Mac OSX. Even further back in time, BeOS was actually designed as the successor of... the Atari TOS! Apart from Haiku, it's a pity that QNX has never grown as a desktop OS, that would have been an awesome alternative OS - it is a UNIX, but way more efficient than Linux in terms of performance and simplicity.
Thanks much for the demonstration. It looks like a slick system and I'm definitely going to throw it into a VM and kick it around. Thought there were surprisingly many applications for it, and was quite taken that Libre Office is an available application.
I remember in the late 90's I ran BeOS as a dual boot with Windows 98 SE as my main OS. I remember it running very well on my K6-2 CPU with 256 MB of Ram. Back then, it created a large file on your HDD, and I used a floppy disk to book up into BeOS. I would reboot the computer, pop the floppy in, and the floppy would boot into that BeOS image file. BeOS ran just fine inside there. I really enjoyed using it, and was enamored with how easy it was to get dual booting working.
Wow! I tried BeOS once and although I very much liked it, it was still quite "young", but now Haiku (despite being beta yet) looks quite grown up! Thank you!
Hi, Love the range of micro/mini computers you have covered. Enjoyed this one on using a different OS. Because of MS & Apples treatment of users, I’m sure many people will be looking for an alternative OS. Personally, I would like to see a Mac OSX alternative. Competition is needed to shake these companies up. Like what Louis Rossmann is doing with the Apple repair shake up. Hope you have seen his RU-vid rants. Cheers Trevor in West Australia
Thank you for an excellent overview of Haiku operating and continued coverage of alternative operating systems. The Be0S has an interesting connection to Apple Computer. The company that developed was founded by Apple executive Jean-Louis Gassée in the early 1990's (along with new computer to compete with Apple). If I remember correctly Haiku was a code name for one of Apple Operating Systems as well. Please keep up the excellent presentations you provide the computer enthusiast community.
Thank you for taking time to respond to my comments. I think you are correct. However, I remember at the time Gassée was forced to resign from Apple and he was going to develop a computer to compete with Macintosh, but there was evolution in Apple thinking about next generation of operating system and BeOS was contender with NextStep. I am thankful your willingness to share your knowledge.
BeOS was awesome - one of the very few plug'n'play operating systems around, only the BeFS driver was mandatory. I wonder if the HaikuOS do it the same way.
Haiku worked from YUMI when last I tried. YUMI provides a GUI that allows you to build a multiboot USB drive. That drive can then be used to boot many different OSes and utilities from that one USB drive (instead of installing just one live image on one USB drive). Check pendrivelinux.com as a good place to grab YUMI builds for linux and windows, or the source code.
This gets me nostalgic. I used BeOS back in the day. I kind of miss the day when they kept operating systems simple, before the crazy with flat design, combining touch interface with mouse and keyboard interfaces etc. Windows IMHO is the worst mess now. But Linux is also getting rather cluttered. I think the fundamental style established by macOS used by AmigaOS, Windows95, BeOS and earlier Ubuntu worked well. It was refined over many years.
Thanks so much for covering alternative OS's. I'm using win 7 64 bit right now and I'm not looking forward to 2020. I was first online in 1993 with Win3.11. Microsoft is working my last nerve after ME, Vista, 8 & 10. I am really rooting for ReactOS. I am really delighted with your channel and of course I subbed. Thank you for all you do and please keep us posted going forward regarding alternative OS's.
Interesting and compulsive viewing; inspires me to download and try Haiku. It is good to see there is an alternative being developed that provides an alternative to the well known systems, as Linux did in the early days. Thanks for covering it.
The OS which be the best (If not for shortage of aps) is back. If it got backing back when Linux was taking off who know where it would have been. I liked the fact that it worked where linux was just a pain to get FULLY running.
Interesting OS. You could probably have resized the flash drive partition with gparted, unless it was using a proprietary file system. Thank you for the overview.
I've played with Haiku before and I really loved the way you could tab two programmes together in one window. Replicants (basically Widgets/Screenlets/Gadgets from other systems) are also cool.
Glad to see Haiku in this channel, and it is amazing how fast it boots up even from USB key, i have to try it, it is so close to being good enough for serious use.
From what I understand BeOS, as a program, was a pretty user friendly alternative to Windows in its day. If I am correct, it was really the business model that the company who owned it tried to impliment that lead to its downfall. While I never used it myself, it strikes me as the alternative to Windows 95/98 that should have won out but didn't because of a lack of 3rd party support and customer awareness. A lot of peolple, myself included, didn't even know BeOS existed until long after Be Inc. went bust. Haiku is one system that I would like to see come into being as a true Windows/Mac alternative. Unfortunately I see that as unlikely, at least in the short to mid term. Linux is too complex and difficult to maintain for most people, Microsoft keep farming our data and Apple is just form over function with sky high prices and limited choice for out of date hardware. Right now, we could use a viable alternative that is actually user friendly. The only other OS that could be like that is Android but Google is not interested in porting that to the desktop.
I remember running BeOS on my old 486 (running at a whopping 66 Mhz) back when I was looking in to alternative OSes for the first time. I remember loving the interface a lot, and being impressed with it being able to run all included software and the GL gears demo very smoothly. I've been keeping an eye on Haiku, but for the time being - am very happy with Linux.
I used to love using BeOS. It was a very promising OS and I got a bit sad when it suddenly disappeared. Awesome that Haiku is trying to keep that old history alive in an open sourced package.
Looks rather competent, and it's another defence against monoculture. Exactly how different from others is hard to tell from this, but it appears to use Unix filesystem concepts, including directory separators the right way round. There seems to be an adequate supply of application software, which is the weakness of any "new" OS. Users want applications, which won't be written unless there are users.
I bought BeOs back when it came out thinking naively I could drop windows. That never happened and now this Haiku version. Well my opinion is gl with it, I wasted my money buying it in the first place but the concept is nice if it could grow to run whatever program was needed.
I had much fun working with and exploring BeOS. Once you get past it's quirks, it's an amazing system to use. Haiku has come along way since the early days.
finally the most awaited os for me since it called BeOS moving on to beta version. i just really love those cute icons. hope they will develop into great and stable build. really hope to replace my soon obsolete win7, if not then LinuxMint or ReactOS it is. thank you for this great video sir. cheers. :)
3:17 WHAT THE FUR IS "Firefox ETF"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Also, I kinda like how the Haiku icons are basically modernised (but not too modern!) BeOS icons, with a little maple leaf in place of the Be logo. 10:11 I just noticed Haiku has A LOT of KDE Applications stuff available for it, because, as far as I know, Qt 5 had already been ported to Haiku, and doing a little bit of research right now, it seems that it was actually an official port! Great to see Haiku has some recognition.
I have a lot of Google accounts and RU-vid channels -- "Firefox ETF" is a copy of Firefox where the default login is to my ExplainingTheFuture (ETF) channel/account. :)
WIth Microsoft about to hijack Linux (by encouraging Linux developers to use Microsoft software patents, Microsoft will eventually own most of the Linux system due to Linux consisting of Microsoft patents), I am paying particular attention to BEOS. Hopefully enough apps will be developed for this platform that will enable one to use BEOS as the primary OS.
@@StrawberryKitten I was talking about Microsoft (and associates). About the "why", look at what is a Tivoization. This would restrict the user to a limited list of softwares, the hidden goal being no Free (freedom) software at all. Moreover, this has a cost. As many Linux distributions don't get high revenues, they cannot afford it.
MS may well hijack several prominent Linux distributions but as long as there are distributions dedicated to pure free and patent unencumbered software Linux will be ok.
I'm not that worried. My prediction is if MS ever takes over, many devs will fork linux into it's own thing elsewhere, and continue the work as normal, and in the end MS-Linux will only end up being a branch in linux history.
i used to do sodoku puzzles at this one job i used to have, late at night when i was supposed to be monitoring stuff. after doing a few of them you find there's apparently an algorithm you can program which will solve probably any sodoku you want to solve, for you, saving all kinds of time, though not saving as much time as you would save if you just didn't do the sodokus
Great video Chris. I'm really surprised how much of BeOS 5 was left intact in the new release. I still us BeOS on my power Mac and been waiting for an official new PC release.
If you live in the US/Canada, you can likely get your ISP to refund you what you spent on mobile data due to the outage. Bell Canada does it here for their Fibe because they claim it's "That reliable"
@@DaxtonAnderson I live in a remote place in North Wales Britain, for the last 17 years we have had to put up with twisted pair copper wire running through trees on the mountainside, rubbing and destroying cable after cable. Then they ( BT ) put in ............... Fibre to the door yes to the door !! It's worked well, for the last 3 years, but yesterday it died 😵 and has been out all weekend 😱🤕
+Free Saxon Try using Opera (or that new thing they've made) on your phone. They compress data before sending it to your browser in one of their modes, saves you a lot of bandwidth.
It's always good to know that there are a variety of Operating Systems. The general problems seem to be stability and driver and software availability. Haiku does seem to have a fairly good range of software, mind.
the description is wrong because HaikuOS isnt inspired by BeOS but is compatible with BeOS and was only made when Palm Technologies purchased Be Inc. and discontinued BeOS
@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials I was running R5.03/BONE the day Palm bought Be. I was also in the room at WalterCon 1 when Michael Phipps announced the Haiku name. Inspired is very accurate. If Haiku wasn't inspired, we'd be lacking source and binary compatibility. Good job, Haiku!
You should demonstrate more softwares which would appeal to the people likely to try this kinda thing.. the same reasons that got me into Linux years ago also led me to try BeOS. Demonstrate how to Hack with BeOS or demonstrate IRC or other chat clients, etc. Great video mate. You always make well spoken vids that cover the gamut of computers!
You missed maximising two windows at the same time, which is the point of the tabs instead of full window title bars, as then you get a tabbed interface for window switching as the tabs move to share the top line :-)
Used this back in the late 90's after I found out there were other OS's other than Windows and Mac. Was impressed with it but was primarily using computers for gaming and such. Got into Linux shortly after the Xwindow system was implemented. Paid for SUSE and Mandrake, now Mandriva. Hey, it was the late 90's and we were still blessed with 56k dial up internet. That may sound bad but my first computer, a TRS-80, had something like a 400 baud modem that used the receiver on a dial phone back when the interwebz were about a dozen servers on college campuses and you had to pay long distance rates on your phone bill to use it. I was a kid then and god am I getting old. That put Haiku on the back burner. Happy to see it's still around but probably going to stick with Linux.
@Alan Eiserman The summer/wintertime might be at its end, the EU is thinking about to end this whole foolishness about changing time every half year. It seems a lot of people have health issues due to the timechanging each year. I think it is a good idea to let go of it and keep only the original time, which is the wintertime, i am all for it.
Very well done! I can't wait to install it as I had lots of fun trying out BeOS back in the day and loved it. I actually thought it was gone forever so this has been great news to me. Dan Wood opened my eyes with his 12 alternative OSes video. As a synth musician I am curious if anything at all exists for Haiku or if I can run apps from Mac or PC on it but I will surely dig in and have a proper look. Ubuntu is running on the test machine and while I certainly was impressed by how Ubuntu has developed over the years it still leaves me with a lot of question marks. I actually mostly enjoyed for Amiga emulation but that is surely a diversion from my normal routes usually pointing towards Mac and Atari. Windows 10 was on the testing machine but I finally erased it completely as I think it's entirely horrible.
True. Currently Haiku doesn't have any hardware accelerated video drivers for modern chips as far as I know. On the other hand, this is an open source OS which was designed for desktop usage in mind from the get-go, unlike Linux and BSD distributions which are basically server OSes shoehorned to be desktops.
Haiku leverages FreeBSD's Wi-Fi and LAN drivers, so any of those devices that work on FreeBSD should also work on Haiku. We are working on more robust video drivers, but already most Radeon HD chipsets work, and most older Intel ones do also.
After two days of trying, on two different Dell laptops, using the public build and the latest nightly build, in both EFHI (or whatever) and legacy modes, I quit. Legacy mode works with wi-fi only, with not so great video, while EFHI mode works with an ethernet dongle only, but excellent video. Yes, I followed the steps to install the wi-fi drivers in EFHI, but that gave terminal error messages, files not found on the official repositories (huh?), and debug screens and so on, pretty much at random. Software update fails 100% of the time with the released version, and works solid with one of the nightly build versions. The absolute biggest problem is that trying to install or update packages from the haiku and haikuports repositories, which fail virtually 100% of the time. Even trying to manually install packages (following a tip from the user forum) usually fails. And who thought it would be a swell idea for all two dozen language versions of the user guide to be updated when you try to use SoftwareUpdater? I read the user guide several times, mostly got it working, only to have things like the mouse frequently crashing (!), or, in one case, only the bottom 2/3 of the screen loading, with no way to see critical information at the bottom of the screen. When the browser crashes, which is most of the time, there is no way to get it to quit or kill it. Those options don't work. When it works it is a good operating system, and obviously a lot of work has gone into it. But it never takes long before something goes wrong.
@@artbecker5618, There were some strange Wi-Fi issues on EFI that are now being resolved indeed. Installing packages works for me -- but I have heard reports that on the West Coast, USA, or the like run into timeouts, which the package manager does not recover gracefully from and just stops downloading the packages. Additionally, the last few nightly builds were rather broken for unrelated issues, so perhaps you were running into those? The languages issues is another story, we probably should have resolved that before the beta. I'll look into it sometime over the next few weeks. Bottom 2/3 of the screen loading sounds like an Intel graphics driver issue. Try using "fail-safe video mode". You can kill applications by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Shift and then clicking on the application in the Deskbar list, including the web browser.
Currently you can import and compile Linux and BSD applications that will work with Haiku. They may actually be faster too, since the threading architecture is more efficient.
Loaded this an hour or so after Chris up loaded, then after a night up coding my way out of a nightmare I embarrassingly fell asleep listening to Chris's dulcet tones. Clearly Chris's Morpheus voice would make a great babysitter. (I'd consider that a compliment Chris, on your innate capacity for soothing and not that you are in any way boring...) But I'm back now, refreshed and eager to find out about alternate OS's.
Been considering ditching ubuntu for Manjaro as my primary OS. Hoping to get better driver support there! Thanks for giving this alternate option.. Will check it out