My biggest gripe with H3: Cortana level, aside from the fact except from where you retrieve Cortona, none of it looks like the H2 levels Gravemind and High Charity, is that High Charity crashes on the Ark and is laying on it's side, yet the entire level is nearly entirely upright.
I never considered High Charity was on it's side in Halo 3, but I was also disappointed to not recognize anything from Halo 2. I was going to say were were always on its side in Halo 2 due to artificial gravity of it spinning, but remembered how far across we could see, including the Forerunner Dreadnaught in the middle.
The room you find Cortana in is the sanctum of the hiararchs from High Charity: the room itself with the energy sword and pedestal where 343 Guilty Spark was in the first Sacred Icon cutscene, with Cortana being in said pedestal. However, it’s deformed enough by Flood biomass and different door designs that you’d likely only know that if reading the level article on the Halo wikis. That’s the only reason I know it’s that room. You can also glimpse the council chamber and mausoleum exterior through barriers and a vista respectively, but they’re easily missed and you never actually go there. I also think in both Halo 2 & 3, we should have been able to go into the city itself instead of just the towers at the edge of the dome (and the conduit structure in the cut warthog run).
@@lionocyborg6030 I knew about the Inner Sanctum from a Rocket Sloth video, but not about the mausoleum. Yes, I don't like how they changed the doors and didn't carry over the design of High Charity from H2 into H3. But my gripe was that High Charity crashed on the Ark and was laying on its side, roughly a 70 degree angle from the cutscene, and yet, the mission Cortana, there's barely any tilt. It's one of those continuity things that throws it off. Not to mention given how long Gravemind and High Charity were, and their location from the hull exterior, MC managed to get into the one tower he needed to way too easily.
I wish the cut halo 3 missions made it in. To be honest halo 3 felt short. You also forgot that either on the mission Cortana or floodgate there was supposed to be a boss fight where you would fight the grave mind in a scarab.
I think the lack of splitscreen is at least 60% responsible for making Halo 5 unpopular in my friend group. We almost never play it and it's automatically excluded if we ever decide to have a gaming get-together, which is really unfortunate because Halo 5 has such great forge and custom games.
@@LegendStormcrow I knew you couldn't play co-op, but after seeing some people play it together (including in this channel), I simply assumed it was added later in a patch, and I was ready to play it with my GF after playing the whole MCC. It turns out it has online co-op, but no couch co-op. :c
That is one reason why, to me, there is no Halo 5! I've sat and watched my own Clan Brother struggle with terrible Warthog Gunners jus WISHING I could jus jump in and help him out as I am the go-to Warthog Gunner, being the best, a natural, bizarrely, even! Even I can't explain how or why! And they weren't jus terrible either to me or by my standards, either, they were jus plain terrible!
I'm honestly upset that they never remastered Halo 3, I feel like a remaster where they finally include the cut levels and all sorts of crazy cut content would be amazing
In fairness, Halo 3 still looks damn good, even to this day. In fact, in my opinion, it's when Halo was looking its best due to a combination of great aesthetic choices and generally much more HD graphics compared to anything on the OG Xbox, so I'm pretty alright with it not getting a remaster.
@@FlamespeedyAMV That would be a good compromise. I'd really like to see a redo of Combat Evolved Anniversay with redone cutscenes, and character models and environments that actually match the original CE aesthetic.
yeah seriously, that whole series-spanning set of achievements might of not happened or at least been altered if played with the full original length game
@@LeRoiDuFresne Yep, there was also gonna be a warthog run as Master Chief through High Charity at the end of the game. Game would've been so long with all those extra levels
From what I heard it wasn’t just that mission that was cut it was like 40%-60% of the campaign. That’s why halo 2 is has the least playable missions of any halo FPS. Apparently there was supposed to also be an underwater mission before gravemind (like they mentioned in the video) at least two extra missions on the defense of earth, and extra missions at the end where it actually showed chief boarding the prophets ship, killing everyone and piloting it back to earth himself. Watch the first 15-20 mins of the act mans halo 2 review he goes over the development of the game and touches on a lot of the cut content. Halo 2 wasn’t even supposed to be a cliff hanger lol
I always wanted to play the Halo 2 E3 level. It looked gucking cool and the fact that the SMGs had red flares when shot, instead of the classic yellow orange, made them look way cooler.
I remember trying to play splitscreen on halo 5 with my cousin a few yrs ago. When I found out 343 took out splitscreen I had never been more pissed off over a video game.
Halo 5 was so bad, it's the main reason I don't own an Xbox One, or even any console past the 360 to this very fucking day. I can't tell everyone enough how many dicks that game can suck. Never felt so utterly disrespected by anything else in gaming except for maybe Epic's treatment of the Unreal Tournament series and its fans.
There was also the cut warthog run (the restoration mod is awesome but it makes that one section replace the entire level instead of just the end section) and the Marathon 3 reference level after Cairo Station: the cut covenant ship level and the famous trailer sequence that became the bomb scene were meant to reference a cut sequence from Marathon Infinity’s Naw Man, He’s Close map.
@@lionocyborg6030 Don’t forget the original story, where Miranda Keys teamed up with the prophets because she hated Chief for killing her father, and as such welds a thermonuclear bomb to Chiefs armor and sends him to kill the Gravemind
@@lionocyborg6030 Nah, that happened later in the game. To my knowledge it was the lead up to Forerunner Tank, but I’m not sure about the specifics (I’m getting all my info from the Halo 2 directors commentary and Jason Jones wasn’t very reliable about what went where lol)
Interesting thing about the level Cortana; it actually had a cruiser bridge jammed into it halfway through; its where you find that skull and the hidden Cortana terminal. It’s the exact same bridge module as the Shadow of Intent
i remember how tense it was already playing halo 3 for the first time with my cousins and them not telling me what the flood was but just that it was coming. and then those fuckin grotesque things appeared and i nearly shit myself lmao
I wish there was the Forerunner city in Halo 3. I don't think it ruins the mystery, I believe it makes the forerunners even more mysterious. You are inside one of their cities, yet you still don't get any answers as to how they lived, who they were, and what they did. It would have been super cool, looking at the concept art.
Honestly, the nonsensical bridge on the Pillar of Atumn would have actually been pretty epic if they had modeled it as if the ship had been ripped in half. Instead of a functional bridge, you'd be driving across on some broken piece of debris, and all the innards and rooms would have been visible as a cross-section. Propably couldn't have been done in the old CE engine, but that would have been cool.
8:10 This is one of the reasons I love the old Halo games, the feeling of being alien on another world that had its inhabitants wiped out thousands of years prior and not knowing what they looked like but having hints towards them being ancient humans was epic. that sense of mystery is completely ruined by 343i though and their games suffer greatly for it...
but he already had a good amount of momentum going towards the ship which he would have to cancel out and exceed (and in the right direction) just saying
@@bigdaddynero I could've sworn it did. Then in the video he talked about how everyone has this false memory of rain when there never was any... Weird that he said that...
On the mission flood gate you don’t have to detonate the core because the elites glass half of Africa and the city with it. Love your stuff keep up the great work!
Originally that was supposed to happen according to Halo 3's development. But things happened and the whole level was kind of split into two levels- Floodgate and Cortana. That's why if you notice the level Cortana looks very similar to the crashed ship on Floodgate, due to reusing assets, despite Cortana being set on High Charity.
More like the cut EVERYTHING of Halo 2. XD They fucked themselves with their original engine and had to start all over with that, grinding SO HARD to get everything working and back to a shippable state. Legend has it that Marty O' Donnell still has nightmares about the Halo 2 crunch to this day.
I can't wait for full mod support so we can have 2, 3, ODST, Reach, and even 4 with SPV3 levels of content and polishing. Personally, I always felt the campaign of Reach was a couple levels too short, not taking enough time to build up the momentum before the big turnaround(SLIPSPACE RUPTURE DETECTED!), and could do with 2-3 more levels. Likewise, the individual missions of ODST feel extremely short. Hard to add too much to 2 or 3, since their campaigns are already great - maybe some more time on the Ark or Delta halo.
From what I’ve heard in other RU-vid videos any where from 40 to 60% of the campaign missions in halo 2 were cut because of time. After watching this rn and the Zach Snyder justice league last night I say we start a petition for an extended cut halo 2 that tries to add back in as much of that cut content as possible with our breaking cannon. Who’s with me
9:29 bro be talking about how Bungie used audio to make the player feel like it was raining and it was a wet environment and that there wasn't any rain, despite this scene clearly having rain.
I can think of multiple things that would make the next halo the best halo. Like being able to command the marines telling them to hold, push, go to a location, get in specific vehicles. Being able to talk to them. Or having an option to get the og aiming in halo or actual aiming without consequences for the one you chose. And actual customization without without monetization. Being able to command assets as an option. Having a long ass campaign maybe 12 hours or a longer. Or outfit your vehicles in certain areas. And have way more and better vehicles with actual good physics instead of a vehicle that flips over if you look at it the wrong way
You know it's funny. They faced hardware limitations for most if not all of their Halos but I bet if they did everything they planned using the same engine(s) but did it on the Xbox Series X, they probably could easily fit the definitively complete versions of 1-3 or even 1-Reach with all cut and planned content all on one disc without taking much space.
I wish Firefight was added in Halo CE,2 or 3. It would have been cool having Flood Firefight back then. Also having a Split-Screen feature for that as well
I will always be disappointed that we never got the Earth level from the Halo 2 demo. Sure, Outskirts and Metropolis are fine, but the Halo 2 demo seemed like it would've been wicked.
I just wanna know how and what happened to Chief and Co. when they went from Spirit drophship in Truth and Reconciliation to Pelican in The Silent Cartographer... That never made sense to me.
@@SockyNoob Yeah but where was that? From my knowledge, the other two games didn't just have characters magically teleport locations like that. We had an idea of where they were. Of course, Halo 2 was more story oriented so 🤷♀️
@@RosheenQuynh They flew to Alpha Base first, but that was exclusive to the book adaption. Outside SPV3 and Fireteam Raven, Alpha Base doesn’t exist in Halo 1 itself.
I wanted to see that the cut level from Halo 2 Infinite Succor where we would have played as shipmaster Rtas Vadumee (broken jaw elite) and how he first encountered the flood on a covenant agriculture ship.
3:55 , if no one's said it already, this could also have been the origin of the anemic "jump" in the run. The midpoint setting was scrapped and replaced with a measley bridge, but the story beats were retained because if they rewrote the story for that, it'd be hard to argue against endless late stage rewrites.
Sometimes it is for the best some things stay cut, especially if it was due to balancing. Granted, most re-releases are abysmal upgrades of the original with no noticeable quality of life improvements. Hell, MCC is now showing what happens when you add random garbage to a classic. *Glares at Call of "Halo" armor in Halo 3*
I wouldn't mind if the levels were added as a sort of "Lost Missions" tab on the MCC, with like maybe some developer commentary in the form of terminals or whatever scattered about. Think of Lost Coast from Half-Life 2. Even if incomplete, it would be nice just to see what the intent was or how these levels would've been woven into the story.
I've been watching Vadams Restored Content mod videos and goddamn, I know Halo 1 had a bunch of stuff on the concept board, but Halo 2 had so much stuff cut but still stuck in the files it's nutty
lol Justice League got its recut, so where is the "Halo Trilogy - Bungie Cut" imagine if everything was made easier no problems and Bungie and/or 343i dropped this out of nowhere(yes despite Infinite Coming out later this but just for fun)
We got a cut level in Tomb Raider III as well, for similar reasons to some of these stated, but, if you manage to find ALL the Secrets in the Game, you can play it! It bridges the gap in two London levels, showing how Lara really got from street level to underground, rather than being street level one minute and then inexplicably underground the next! Although, I will confess to curiosity to some of those cut Halo lovels, that 2 level, for example, I remember that trailer as well, I wouldn't mind... But I think reuniting with Cortana so late on the way we did in 3 kind of works better for the overall narative, jus in general! You feel more reileved when you are finally reunited, it holds more gravitas, being apart for so long! I'm an amateur writer, alright, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing! No, you're tearing up!
They cut split screen in everything these days. I dont care what anyone says, the video game industry has killed splitscreen in the interest of forcing people to purchase online subscriptions.
I always really liked Halo 2's campaign. It's such a shame there was so much content cut. You forgot to mention something like 3 missions at the end of the game... But personally, if I had to choose: the covenant ship mission at the beginning of the game. WHY??? :( It would have sooo cool. Maybe that's why there is a similar mission in Halo Reach. Still, having to do it with a bunch of ODSTs and Miranda would have been awesome. I would also have been very interested in playing that level introducing the Gravemind. I don't understand why they couldn't have tried to make the missions out of the concepts. Sure, it would have been different as originally envisioned or made from the team, but still. A longer Halo 2 campaign? And significantly longer at that? It would have been amazing. It's a crime they didn't get Halo 2 delayed. They basically made it in 10 months... A delay of 2 months or so would have probably been sufficient.
I think console players, just like on PC, should have the option for split screen 30fps or alone at 60fps. Having said that, 60fps improves gameplay by a lot. You can't see the difference because you are used to 30 FPS, however people who are used to 60 FPS can really feel the difference when they have to downgrade.
I used to be invited to LAN and split-screen parties. As far as I can tell, they don't exist now. As a PC player, I really don't care about FPS, as long as the game isn't chugging, and spiking. Getting my game to run at all is the main thing.
30 is not good, that’s why. If you think 30 is good then you haven’t played above 60 lol. I’m down for a low framerate if you want to play split screen but the only games that 30fps makes sense in are games like Red Dead 2 where it’s cinematic and nearly photorealistic.
@@221Prohunter I know what it looks like at 120fps, and then I stop counting, because I haven't seen a monitor which actually displays past that. I also know what it's like at 8fps. Both are playable, as long as the framerate is _consistent._ It really depends on the pace of the game, but I know for competitive multiplayer, and bragging rights, anything below unlimited is insufficient.
@@3mpt7 8 is not playable at all... That's not even a real argument. 8 is objectively unplayable, the only time you would ever play at that is with a shit laptop and the delay between doing things and seeing them is so bad that it's not even worth it at that point. Plus, 120 fps doesn't look much different than 60, yeah, but it *feels* significantly different. 144Htz and 240Htz monitors exist for a reason, they feel much, much better to play on.
@@deathtrooper2048 Techncially no, it isn’t. But it’s still a good idea despite that fact. I can’t think of a decent term for such a remake. (I.e. one that uses planned or scrapped beta ideas like Dark Interval for Half Life 2 or Brutal Doom ED for Doom 1)
I'm a Resident Evil Fan. I'm glad that capcom remade the originals for peoptto enjoy. I'm also a Halo fan. Halo doesn't really need a remake but if they ever did I hope they add cut content they originally planned.
All I've ever wanted is 4 player split screen Campaign. It sucked as a kid having to play multiplayer or take turns, and while I understand the limitations for the Xbox and Xbox 360 era, we should have been able to handle it on the MCC. We can only hope it's in Infinite
Highly doubt it will since it’s already going to be significantly more demanding than any previous game. Pretty sure 2 player split screen is confirmed, though
@@221Prohunter Eh, it's a game capable of running on the base Xbox One, which is also optimized for Series X, so I feel it could be done at least on the new consoles
To be fair that light little jump between is believable because there is no friction in space to slow you down so you just keep going until you collide with something
@@oxy3s But I think the guy's point was it's not the traditional point and shoot we all know and love. Didn't mind Halo Wars 1 though at all. Had a friend who played it so much I swear he liked it more than the FPS ones lol. Skunked me so bad in skirmishes I pretty much lost all my interest in it. Still need to finish HW2 and Spartan Strike.
5:20 - Actually, he wasn't going to detonate a bomb at all originally. He was gonna steal a wraith and use it to shell the power core of the ship so it would explode. Source: Halo 3 Legendary Edition Commentary
One of my biggest questions I remember having at the time was what happened between Floodgate and Cortana. Always felt like an odd story transition that never made a ton of sense to me
Huh, interesting to know the real reason all the marines died in the crash! I had figured it was just to suit the theme, how it seems at the end of the game like literally everybody but Chief and Cortana was dead. Honestly, it was one of the moments that sort of bugged me, I'm never a fan of moments where everybody dies except the main character.
splitting up the flood ship/high charity destruction level makes sense in lieu of an expanded length Halo 2 originally supposed to be the end. Gotta pad out Halo 3 somewhat
I'm so confused. The literal footage used for the Halo 3: ODST section has rain in it. You said that the game doesn't have a rain system but it clearly does. Why would you put this in the video when it's a complete lie. I'm not talking about that garbo filter used. I'm talking about the actual level that you guys showed off. It has tons of rain in it and it's not even subtle. It's a light drizzle and you guys made it seem as though there is no rain saying it wouldn't be possible.
I wonder what could the broken appart ship looks like, that you probably had to cross, not just on the warthog run. As if only that bridge thing was weird on the Autumn, there were open-to-the-sky rooms aswell or that the reactor was relatively close the the captian bridge, than how far from the dock. Come on people, just accept it, in early fps games there were little given about the realism related to the rooms conneclting and the exterior to be matching that.
I dont play halo 5 multiplayer because I cannot play it with my brother without having to buy another Xbox and game. I never really cared about having 60fps for the game, so i cut my losses with Reach.
You should do a challenge where you try to beat ODST on legendary with only using a magnum and meelee, and when you drive vehicles you have to smash into things, or drive past them. : )
I personally would not have minded if they would have cut the framerate to 30 in split screen for Halo 5. I can understand why they wouldn't for multiplayer, can't really be competitive at 30 vs 60 fps. For Campaign though I doubt the majority of the Halo community would have cared. Plus, the Halo 5 campaign sucked so experiencing it in split screen would have made it more fun.
Mutliplayer Ai in Combat Evolved...i can no longer play the Mutliplayer for the original Games!...Lan parties are soo inconvenient and just making your own custom full 16player matches would of just been the best shit ever!
Hey. I wonder if the marines "slipping off" the bridge is actually true. For some reason i dont buy it. Someone spawn marines there or something to follow chief across the bridge
"Some how he jumps back to the ship with a light little bounce here" There is no air resistance or gravity in space, there is nothing to stop chief's momentum from that little jump so he wouldn't stop
He "somehow got back to the ship" because he's in space. There's neither gravity nor air in space (little known fact, I know). If you push off something in space, you'll travel in a straight line indefinitely unless, of course, something stops you.
