Halo Infinite - A Disappointment 6 Years in the Making 

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Nice to see ya here, spartan

I liked "If making Halo F2P means losing a ton of content that makes it special, then It's worse as F2P game" from that same section. From the very first rumors of F2P, I absolutely knew that it was gonna heavily compromise the game.

the problem is that many of the people "fighting for more" are just looking for excuses to shit talk people and be assholes in general

"If you accept less, expect even less next time."

You can take that quote and apply it to many situations in life. Better pay, better healthcare, better rights for workers/game devs. These are all things worth fighting for.

U |SPAEAK FUCKING FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's also the fact that skill based matchmaking is more prevalent than it's ever been, even in social modes. All but guarantees that you will always have to try your best to do well which gets exhausting.

Which is hilarious since every game that comes out already trying to focus on an esports scene that doesn't exist yet HAS ALWAYS FAILED AT IT. Look no further than Heroes of the Storm and freaking Overwatch for proof for this.

@@AzureRoxe Fuck, just look at Halo 5

I disagree actually, I think they focused so hard on developing an open-world (because apparently every game needs an open-world now) that they sapped all of their resources from Multiplayer. Esports was for sure important to them but when you spend and waste that much time on a big open-world and that itself also causes much of the games problems, I don't think you can blame anything more than that commitment to the open-world. They can't get Co-op working due to the way the campaign was designed, they spent fundamentally everything on making the campaign and it shows. As much as people hated it, the game should have been delayed even further.

Agreed. This just reminds me of Bioshock Infinite all over again. A subpar game praised to the high heavens. Shocking really.

@@Tommybotham Infinite was the best Bioshock

@@hambonepng1152 I love Infinite, but it was definitely the worst one.

@@benjamintherogue2421 I agree, 1 and 2 was the best!

@@Tommybotham What didn't you like about infinite?

Act man, you arguably have the most influence with the community and even the devs? You think you can make a video or something on these ideas to get the wider community talking about them?

@@westbrick690 I mean it'd be cool if he just shouted em out haha. Probably don't wanna advocate for larger Creators to just take another Creators vid and redo it because he's bigger. I'd love for more folks to see but perhaps a more elegant and nuanced method than just bigger person make same video

@@FavynTube oh yeah I didn’t mean steal the ideas or anything, just like “here’s some stuff favyn said” maybe expedited or something. You right tho 100%

I’d say a lot of the map pick up weapons need a buff Too many fall into this it’s really good at this one thing and useless at everything else and sticking to an ar and br loadout is going to benefit you more in more situations. Say the pulse carbine, actually superior to both ar and br when used at its bread and butter med range and combined with a sidekick because it’s a plasma weapon it’s role is Shield stripping to follow up with a headshot weapon just like you do in campaign. But outside of that it’s fucking useless. Essentially the problem with these weapons as the video says ease of use. Sure the pick up weapons are cool and unique but they need skill to use and compared to the ar on controller can just jump you and spray you down with no skill.

We need to come together as a community and demand better. Viva la revolution

fucking amazing take/script writing

Starting turning into a fucking rap god for a second there.

Obligatory "Oh shit", jaw drop, and pausing of the video because you're so gobsmacked at Favyn's writing.

Grav Hammer Jumps. Super Bounce. Interesting/predictable vehicle physics. Map-based movement options (man cannons, THE FAN, teleporters, etc.). Player Collision. Grenade jumps (bruteshot/SPNKR/Reach Grenade Launcher). Fucking Sword Tech. Literally all 343 has done for the Halo Formula is add on features that NO ONE asked for, and remove features that have been praised since 2005. I don't want Halo 3. I don't want Reach. I want 343 to make a fucking Halo game, not CoD.

Im sure the lack of player collision is the reason why the melee is broken in this game

@@peacelove6455 EXACTLY what I was thinking

"Those features were fun, so we got rid of them." -343 probably

​@@dadleft8427man cannons and other things have been added to tje map. Yet it still does not feel like Halo, because they just dont understand how halo used to use them. Bungie knew where to place them to make tgem useful or fun. 343 places them because... yeah. People like man cannons.

Plenty of games in the past decade that were incredibly innovative and inspired. 2016-2017 had some of the best indie hits in the decade and they're considered innovated over games coming out in 2007. Admittedly, due to increased corporate/for-profit models makes mainstream gaming uninspired, bleak, and stale; to argue that gaming back then was gaming at its peak is a failure to see gaming's progression from a quirky/weird hobby to a normalized form of entertainment as movies. Gaming in 2007 was that shift and why its more memoriable than today.

be glad we got to experience the classic Bungie Halos :) its all gone now

I belive your nostalgia is blinding you. Being innovative in a advanced state of any fields is always harder since alot has been done. Have pickable weapons was never seen back then but now. Its not enough. Theres a finite number of great ideas. Its not a coincidence that most game franchises rarely gets better with time. IMO nostalgia is one of the main factors that ruin sequels.

@@uberx2447 Oh trust me I love the Indie industry and hope it thrives, I'm jus talking about halo and seeing it's trajectory over the last 21 years. Infinite is no where close to what it used to be on so many levels other than networking and graphics. I still enjoy it though, I'll say that.

@@xcessiveO_o It really was the old Bungie that made it what we remembered.

I was so intrigued during that part i was like "oh shit that would be awesome". What a great fucking video this is.

Honestly got a little teary-eyed

With features present in halo 3 and reach agreed, this game could’ve been the greatest game of a decade. The custom games available in the halo 3 age are what made it the dominant game of a generation. It seems like 343 just doesn’t have that on their minds and it’s really unfortunate to see.

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I'm sure any xbox or microsoft exec reading this comment would be screaming internally as loudly as I am after reading this. I had this thought in passing but hadn't really imagined it or compared it to among us. Halo infinite was meant to be the halo game for the entire "series" console generation and possibly longer but that was based around long dashed ambitions for a new engine and a full time quadruple A development window, both of those ships sank and as a result I suspect halo infinite will not be nearly as infinite as it was meant to be. Financially halo is in a terrible place that I've seen nobody mention, it took half a billion dollar investment to get it to launch in q4 2020, and then they delayed it a year. they had planned to launch a bugged out mess, eat the PR disaster and sacrifice the 343 to consumer rancor, intense fan backlash after e3 2019 caused them to flinch and try making it work, frankly It's hard for me to say which move was right, if it had launched in 2020 and flopped hard, we'd sooner have a new halo on that experimental engine but the gameplay of this game likely would have been blamed somewhat for it's failure or lost in translation as new leadership was put in place.

To sequel/DLC bait

Mystery is "where is the plot".

I really enjoyed the game but when it ended I was just sitting there realizing that I literally had no idea wtf happened in the campaign. I was expecting like 6 or 7 more missions to pop up so some kind of storyline could solidify. Almost as bad as when Halo 2 just ended.

Castle Bravo I honestly went to Wikipedia to see what the plot was, it’s so paper thin. I’m sure the “finished product “ will be more different. Now all I want to do now is play halo 2. Remember when the main villain wasn’t a red hologram for the entire game. Gonna miss that grapplehook tho.

@@jessecommins4499 Not to mention when Halo villains had understandable reasons for doing certain things. I still have no idea what the Banished's purpose is as a faction or what they stand for. I get they denounced the Covenant and their religious dogmatta, but then you get Escherum verbally sucking Atriox off as though he were a god. Then you have Escherum's motivations which are just... He's dying and want's a worthy adversary? That's well and good, if I cared about Escherum at all as a character and got to know him. All he has going for him is he monologues at you and tries to pull a "look at how scary I am, fear me Master Chief" line a few times. The campaign really is paper thin. Not to mention the big reveal of Weapon being Cortana which... I thought we knew that? Or nothing being built upon with Harbinger, or why the Banished are fighting humans and accruing power. It's all so weak with some much potential.

What Favyn very eloquently and importantly calls attention to here are issues far more impactful than the shop or monetization writ large. That said, the store and progression system are both atrocious in their implementation as well. Both things can be issues worthy of mention simultaneously.

@@343Films I agree but the monetization can kinda wait until after the issues with gameplay are fixed.

@@JazzOLantern Dont forget optimization as well.

What's the store

@@JazzOLantern they should continue to Nickle and dime us for basic content while the game is broken?? How's that make sense.

343 has been standing on Bungie's shoulders for years. They're like the son that inherited his father's business without every working a day in that shop. I'm not surprised at all that they continue to blunder.

@@ImNeurons Very well said. 343 is standing on the shoulders of giants, yet it seems they’re looking in the wrong direction every time.

It’s hard to believe that people find it hard to believe they only put new maps in a new game at the new games launch. Wow so weird man

@@jacksonrelaxin3425 They have a massive library of amazing maps and fan favourites, yet most maps are human in architecture and there aren’t many of them in general in Infinite. They also wanted to go back to a classic Halo feel, they could have done that by copypasted maps for fan service. It would have been easy. But no.

I guess the first 3 years making the game was nothing

LOL no joke. The worst was that on halo waypoint if you talked down on infinite leading up to launch you were seen as an outcast. Now, there’s no one even on the forums…

HALO INFINITE GOAT 🐐 OF ALL HALOS FACTS 💯🔥🙀💯👑##

Shows you how important the community is to them

@@cryptotic5257 Bingo, this right here.

@@cryptotic5257 I dont think its fair to act like they dont care about the community, because thats not true, I just think it comes more from over-ambitions and/or incompetance.

@@cryptotic5257 to be fair, I'm sure a lot at the studio care, it's just the goddamn leadership over there at the studio and over at Microsoft that ruins everything.

@Shane The Halo fanbase is different. I find most people who go on mic, on btb. I also find people on ranked on mics more often than not. Ironically the most silent gametypes are the social 4v4 ones.

I really couldn't agree more. I think it's time Microsoft consider a different studio to handle Halo.

I agree 100%. 343 is extremely incompetent. I would like to see respawn take a crack at it.

@@ThatXLazerXGuy respawn makes the UNSC the bad guys and now the insurrection becomes the new heroes with a black male lead

_"A bloody fate awaits you and the rest of your incompetent race, and I, Tartarus, chieftain of the Brutes will send you to it"_

Smol Doggy What? You realize Sgt. Johnson and Locke were both in the games..... it’s SJW to include black people in your video game is what it seems like you’re saying?

Uh, this video was about MP. You should watch it first then comment.

@@nunya_bizniz I commented this after finishing it actually. I just figured that since he’d already talked about the multiplayer, that I would give some quick thought to the campaign, because the game as whole feels unfinished and is a poor excuse for a 6 year development

@@hyguy1258 fair enough. I've had alot of fun playing both, albeit with some frustration. Most of my displeasure comes from technical issues.

If I skipped all of the pointless side crap that I got no real reward for, like the optional bosses, FOBs, Banished outposts, Marine Squads, armor lockers, and most of the Spartan cores, I probably could’ve beaten this in like 3-4 hours.

@@nunya_bizniz lol. Go play halo 1-3 story and tell me which one is more fun. Infinite was a mediocre disappointment in EVERY way. Halo lost it’s soul and it’s clear 💔

I really thought it was a “cyber punk mod” when I saw Halo infinite. WTH 🤦‍♂️ is up with the dumb grapple, jet pack please!!

@@MrDanielSolano007 nah the grapples ace, jetpacks boring af

@@TheManOnTheStreetOMG am i really alone on that? haha. i did like the abilities and jet pack. idk this feels more like COD than halo with that grapple imo.

@@MrDanielSolano007 loadouts were probably one of the worst additions to the game and waay more like CoD than the grapple, the equipment in Infinite is all just utility stuff and I'm honestly surprised they nailed it so well. It's more to do with sandbox interaction. The jetpack just gives you verticality whereas the grapple opens way more options with movement, interactions (melee and hijacking) and even has limitations with grapple reach. It's way more fun to use than just tapping X to go up

All the maps are good but they’re all the same theme: training ground-ish. What they really need to do is have alternative weather, daytime/nightime, seasons, etc. why spend 500 million dollars on a game where dynamic lighting is a huge new feature and not show it off? I’d love to see how the spotlights look and stuff

Something stinks. Restarting the project? Terrible management? Lack of direction? All of the above? It seems impossible to get this product with the time and money out into it. Behind the scenes must have been an absolute shit show

@@quincygaming9529 considering the game had two of it's project leads leave before they brought Joe Staten in, it's basically a given it went through development hell

Awful direction and restarting halfway, scrapping massive amounts of content…

I remember on 4chan there were leaks suggesting a 'time travel' plot from a disgruntled employee, but all of thr above you suggrsted is probably the issue

Heard the engine required a lot of work too. So much work that they nearly scrapped it and moved to unreal

Yeah, the maps are pretty mediocre and bland to look at. The flow of the maps just isn't anywhere near as good as Sandtrap, The Pit and Blood Gulch.

"When you first saw Halo Infinite, were you blinded by its gameplay??"

@@TheChadPad “Noooo”

HALO INFINITE CORE GAMEPLAY IS THE🎉🐐💯🙀🔥 GOAT

​@@socialoutcast1327yes we all was and still is infinite is goat of all halos 💯🔥🙀

But isn't this criticism purely based on the effective range, which is what he explicitly said was bad?

@@scrambo6182 he basically said it’s OP close to mid range and also very easy to use

Exactly when I stopped playing as well. This game is so generic. Where is the uniqueness. I'm tired if beating the same drum. But Overwatch on PC is an example of a fresh game when it came out around 2015 or 16. It's so unique and every character/weapon type takes skill and the skill gap is huge for each of them. The aim doesn't feel sticky or autoaim like. And I'm talking even compared to Halo infinite PC on Mouse and keyboard. I shouldn't "feel" when I'm hovering over an enemy with my crosshair. The aim should be more loose or slippery like Overwatch or Valorant. Much more skill based.

We need more people sending more shit towards the fascistic 343 industries. They literally try to enforce the evil policy less is more. It's literally 1984 over on Halo infinite, if you ask me we should bomb their studios just complaining here or anywhere else is pointless. I am a big believer in that we should kill every single one of these Nazi like company just to send a message to them we don't support their degenerate views.

@@klutzspecter3470 the edge so sharp i turn into emo

@@unknownwill4th549 Poe has a very unique law over the internet.

i mean... you say we need more people like him but since Halo Infinite's release literally all I hear about it is people complaining. I agree with almost everything said in the video btw but y'all have not been silent about this game at all, so loud about it that people are genuinely turned off from the game. They even had to shut down the reddit in the beginning.

I'm confident at least some members of 343 have seen this already

It's a matter of whether the right people are in positions to listen to feedback and act appropiately. Wouldn't surprise me if the reason why 343 has all these design and production issues is management/leadership that is simply not up to the task.

Lol sounds like they ruined it. They're not true ogs

This honestly gives you hope? Him being in the forerunners meant he got Early Access to this game... not just a little early but months early.. imagine having all this feedback telling 343 exactly what he said in his video months before the game came out and them being like "nahhh it's good we're just going to launch it the way it is"

His words were already *not* heard. This man has been speaking the truth about 343 Halo for years, but they only listen to the nuthuggers and do what they want.

It’s bland as hell though, most Infinite maps are like this. The interaction with environment is too little and the maps have no unique characteristics. Like the waterfall on “Sanctuary” or the big gate on “High Ground”. Recharge is the most bland and dry most of all. The aesthetic is pretty good,but it needs more..personality. This whole esports focus makes maps so boring just,same issue with H5.

​@@KombatKastle I mean, it has the 4 pillars that change how one platforms around between the two entrances and the platform with the grapple on it. Yes, yes, I know, it's not a TON of interaction like, say, Zanzibar, but the cool lighting, verticality, skill jumps and overall less symmetrical layout/flow of the map kinda make up for it, at least for me. Now Live Fire, THAT's a bland map. 3-lane, only a bit of verticality, no real map interaction or moving, breathing elements at all, and it doesn't help that the map aesthetically looks more like a Forge map

True, the sad thing is that they sacrificed scripted and complex missions for it. What we have is a nice but monotone, unchanging empty and mostly forgetful world with dumb AI, I would glady switch for a few standart míssion like the covenant in Halo 3. I mean they could have done so much with it, banished who tried to conquer back zones, a hub which gets bigger and more armed with more marines freed, freeing story character like Lasky or idk spartans which give marines a morale (dmg or health ) boost, patroulling UNSC convois or Banished convoice which transport weapons or vehicles. God I swear if they had intruduced the flood shortly before the end, and after the campaign you had a changing map which gets infected more and more in different steps , until you conquer them back ... that would have given player long time engagement.

Infinite is as open world as CE is open world... not much at all. They failed completely on the "open world" part.

@@LethalByChoice it is open world, but sadly an empty repetetive uninspired open world. If you compare it with elden ring ( also fromsoftwares first open world game ) it is an embarrassment. It feels like an technical alpha where they had to still add the interesting stuff. Also none of the missions is even slightly memorable, because the scripted events you see in other Halo games are missing. It is a giant empty sandbox, where the only fun things are the grapple hook and the weapons.

@@Lmaokekw975 great callback to ce and halo 3 with the backtracking

@@Lmaokekw975 I would call souls 3 semi open world.

halo 3 is overrated if you bothered to play anything else in the time frame of it

@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 You can have your favourites how you want but I was the no life type gamer as a kid (still am) that did play a lot of everything back on the 360 days but I keep coming back to Halo. You cant deny that nothing really compares to H3 honestly (even today) with the amount of content, balance, how unique the game is and how crazy good the community was as an fps shooter. Plus, it's fun af. I was looking back recently on the old bungie website and seeing everyone just having fun with everything (Barely any toxicity), even with the weekly blog posts crack me up. And the fact that they all do it right by making it fun for everyone with a competitive/casual state just makes you appreciate how much they actually cared. If you think that H3 is overrated, don't think you played it enough.

Halo 3 was almost perfect. Don't include the scene of the Forerunner planet, the legendary ending should only be Chief adrift in space and going into cryosleep. The terminals should be rewritten to conclude with humanity being the Forerunners. This way it ends perfectly, with closure, and makes sure that a finished story can't continue. There can still be other Halo games.

Add it to the list

@@FavynTube also the friend or fo outlines. I know u did it in a previous video. Still takes away from the experience. Wish it was just lights on Spartans

Absolutely. One of the best experiences in Halo for me is being the driver in an objective like ctf or btb slayer. The warthog is so flimsy, constantly in danger of flipping and can hardly maintain or build momentum due to the terrain and handling. :( And of course now there's SEVERAL ways to EMP along with grapple jacks

Honestly bro this video is a masterpiece. Crazy how aligned our thoughts are on the topics covered. Its sad to lay it all out there. Its sad to know where this game COULD have been. But the saddest part is knowing its probably not going to ever be where it could have.

@@wildcardwinner6219 likely nothing will be done for at least 6 months. Likely more

Shreddednerd is great btw check em out

Infinite is the goat of all halos 💯🔥🙀💣🎉##

Unforgiveable.

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Your heresy is strong

Bro I thought I was the only one thinking this. Like I hate this version of BTB. It’s so dry. Why tf did they change it.

@@kiwi__3402 but but... POWER SEEEEDS!!!

@@ripster9713 3 maps with the same aesthetic and similar layout, they dropped the ball again.

@@LiberatedMind1 "Ball Dropped"

@@kiwi__3402 And it's some how the worse form of BTB 343 has ever implemented. It hardly resembles the game mode as originally intended and is far worse off because of it.

100%

Skillup did a fair review too

Yes no game is perfect, we need people to speak out to resolve these issues and help get the game as close to perfect as possible

It also quite simply concludes to the harsh reality; Halo pvp is no longer relevant and we need a true return of arena shooters. Halo had it's time. A game like Quake is greatly needed at the moment.

@@BigGainer98 I think part of the problem is people expecting games to live up to their nostalgia of their first video game experiences, sorry but playing a game well into a decade of your gaming career isn’t going to blow your mind like the first ever shooter you played, Infinite has been super fun to me and I don’t personally agree with your take, also I’ve never heard of Quake and had to look it up, that game really isn’t relevant to the mass population of gamers so maybe you just have more specific taste and Halo isn’t for you

@@nathanedwards9308 Buddy if you didn't know what Quake was you probably shouldn't be the most important opinion for how good a Halo game is

Yeah and collision physics.

Didn't some Halo 3 playlists have friendly fire off?

Why though what does it add to the game?

Yeah because of the fans too. They try to do something different, fandom hates it, they bring it back to why is more in line with the original, “oh it’s nothing new”.

@@eliarevalo if you look at Nintendo for example. Mario 3D platformers always do something different with every entry but feel the same in the ways we want. That’s all 343 need to do with halo. Come up with some cool original ideas but keep the core concept the same or very similar. My personal experience with infinite is that the start of the game was excellent almost as good a start as combat evolved but after you go outside it felt like far cry and the indoor sections after that weren’t as fun as the first so it’s a game that lacks it’s own identity and clearly they don’t know how to fix that as they have had years by this point. What do you think?

Not all of us. We just hang out in the Master Chief Collection lobbies. So sad that I play as much (if not more) MCC than Infinite. 343i owns and operates the blueprints of the game experience they are trying to recreate and just can't.

@@samuelzuleger5134 Its not even just that either. I don't think if 343i came out with a bit more content it would've completely changed course, I think that Infinite is now competing in a market with extremely popular and more accessible games so although I do think that Forge and some basic things would've improved player retention I still doubt that the game wouldn't have leaked massive amounts of players. So many games now; Apex, Fortnite, Warfare, Destiny 2, Valorant, CSGO, etc. So basically they came out way way too late. I do think this is the last Halo game so lets pray that the game isn't dead in another year and that 343i can do something to convince more players to play their game.

@@bluejay1727 the game lost like 70% of its players yall need to accept its dead

Without file share, forge, in-game community content highlights, social media interfacing, etc.

That’s the same problem with mcc. It legit has no file browser or anything at all not even just that tho the other numerous issues too. People say it’s the same or the old experience but it’s not at all cause 1/6th of the important features for that are missing or neutered by like only being able to have 50 forge maps or a theater is there but it’s a terrible version of it. It’s why the mcc lacked to have a player base. So much that the community interacted off of just gone. It’s simple nothing more then just a simulation of campaign, multiplayer, or sometimes custom games. It doesn’t give the full experience or anything those old games had. Those games were more then just multiplayer and campaign. It was an entirely different experience that isn’t possible on the mcc now. Like the lack of proxy chat and party up and so on it just makes the game kinda only multiplayer. Sure there is the custom games browser but it’s rather useless when everything else is missing. Most people just host there own shitty custom games on desert bus or past custom games cause the creation of anything we never seen before doesn’t exist. If it does we can’t ever play or find them. It won’t get to a mass audience and the only hope is sitting there in a lobby waiting on the browser and that’s kinda it. Before you could simply upload shit to ur file share or the file browser and really get it out there to an audience. Mcc makes that not possible and halo infinite is following in a very similar pattern it’s even worse tho cause so much more now is even missing. That’s why the mcc is for me just fun to play a few times just to experience kinda the old multiplayer in a way and then that’s it. When I got on original h3 I was hooked making so many engagements and friends and encounters that isn’t possible on the mcc and if it is u have to go to such lengths to get it to happen. It’s just way less. Sure it had a better forge of those games but it doesn’t matter if nothing ever comes out of it or people can’t save more then 50 maps. It’s just really a void. A shell of what these games were. That’s why when people say just go play mcc it just is like nah man I’m good. Same effect with infinite except infinite is a million times even worse cause they don’t even have a file share option now. It’s not even limited now like the mcc it’s just simply not there. 343 just fails to lack the importance of going all out on ur community. Bungie could’ve just added yk a theater like we have in mcc and limit everything and not have a browser and it would’ve effected the game but it definitely still would’ve been revolutionary. Instead they went even further then that. They made it so you can save ur films. Share ur films. Make a possibility of them getting on bungies favorites or on a community browser tab. Forge could’ve just been limited to 50 maps and not able to share them or anything but instead they went all out and with the help of a forge glitch to ghost blocks we made some of the most memorable custom games in halo 3. If they didn’t add what they did then the ability to ghost blocks really wouldn’t of mattered possibly ever been discovered cause no one would’ve forged enough really for it to accidentally be discovered. Even without ghosting there was still other methods to keep blocks to stay like holding them up with another block then deleting the block they sit on to not fall over cause the game still thinks it’s there. Not really probably intended but if we didn’t have all these healthy community features forge proper would’ve stayed what it was originally a map kinda small adjuster but instead it became what it did with the help of the community so then in reach they made a even better one. 343 lacks this thinking and that’s why they without really anything thought made infection what it was in halo 4 instead of realizing the importance of why it was like how it was and how much that allowed so many game modes to be made. That’s why h4 failed for custom games. It killed the community features. It had just as good of a forge as halo reach except it didn’t matter cause they killed everything else around it so then no one wanted to fuck with it people just went back to reach. Just like he said they probably will add grif ball but if they don’t add it in the original way it was crated then it completely kills the and limits the community. Just like infinite halo 4 had infection but they didn’t add it in the way it originally was made so it completely ruined everything that came from it and made it not possible. Just like if capture the flag in infinite is something you physically cannot create with the same objects as before then it really kills a lot of game modes. Power ups being pick ups I also see being a problem. People would make maps with power ups and stuff at certain points to be activated at that certain time well now thats all stripped away unless they add the original power ups to the game how they used to be. Sure alot of what bungie did never probably intend to be what it became but now that it is we can’t simply hurt them or change them cause it completely alters the possibility of that existing in infinite or new things to come from it. If they wanna do new things add new things in what was already created before. Don’t change things that were already created. It’s like taking forge clear back to what we had in h3 for really no reason killing off what we originally had. We can’t help it bungie set the bar so high and the community took the advantage of it but it happened and now that’s the bar u need to match or raise higher.

@@tamezzodiac2862 In the future, you should break up comments this size into multiple paragraphs. This is really hard to read. Also, MCC does have a fileshare. It sucks to use, but it does exist.

@@sgtcoffman it does but it lacks a file browser. That’s the point. There is no way to just browse or search for certain stuff. You have to simply just look specifically for the people you are talking about or thinking ab. That being like that tho it makes it really impossible to discover anything new or put anything new in front of an audience. All the other stuff only got popular cause you could put it in front of an audience so it only lives on through that now and people look up the videos to find the gamer tag to get what they want. Without something like that it makes it impossible for anything new to get out there. Also I can’t make it into paragraphs or I would run out of room as it’s way too long.

“Spider-man”, whatever that mode turns out to be, will be a major custom game. It’ll use infinite grapple on maps made in forge to maximise it. Maybe you use swords and skewers. I think that would have great potential.

Yea tutu bungie made some beautiful creations like the Carrier

The BR shouldn't be better than the AR. That would just be Halo 3 all over again.

@@MrSlashtf2 The utility weapon has always performed better than the AR. Magnum > AR (Halo: CE) BR > SMG (Halo 2) BR > AR (Halo 3) Before you say something along the lines of "Halo 2 had no AR" or "The magnum isn't a BR" or some other shallow, surface-level observation, there is more to a weapons sandbox than simply what a weapon looks like. It can take whatever appearance it wants but still perform the same role. The Battle Rifle IS better than the Assault Rifle. It should not be consistently losing fights against the AR.

I just wish the scope doesn't switch off when using the AR, Commando, and the sniper power wepons while being shot at.

Couldn't put my finger on what was going wrong for me in these encounters. This is exactly it. I'm not perfect with my BR, never have been, but at mid range or closer I'm almost always getting melted by the AR. And when I have the AR, the outcome is basically the same for the person who happens to be going against me with the BR. It's not necessarily that the AR is overpowered, but in comparison the BR is much too difficult to use in these encounters when you take into account its effectiveness. You can basically just spray an AR like a toddler and most of the time you'll get the kill vs the BR, whereas in the case of the BR, you have to be nearly perfect to beat the AR.

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No lie detected

I remember when I first heard the "10 year" line and immediately knew the game was going to come out half baked despite being in the oven for too long. Think about it: what video game publisher seriously thinks a game in the current market is going to maintain a significant online player base for 10 years? Why not 8, or 12? It's just an arbitrary number used for marketing purposes. I mean this is Halo: INFINITE, a game that was developed for 6 years but lacks most of the content Halo: Reach had, a game that was developed a decade ago in the span of one year.

@@michaelgregor1640 Youre not wrong.

@@michaelgregor1640 This not only a Halo problem, almost every new multiplayer game that has launched in the past years think it’s ok to release half baked but still charge full price. Halo Infinite it’s only redeemable because is free to play.

H2 containment was the GOAT btb map

@@sukmidri Finally, someone gets it!

Except the BTB maps in Infinite are NOT like Blood Gulch or the like. There aren't wide open areas for vehicles to do their thing. They're all narrow-lane choke-point-infested albatrosses.

@@hungryyellow2119 This. 343 doesn't understand BTB. They don't realize that vehicles are supposed to dominate the circuit while being restricted from "on-foot" areas. Think of the buildings on Headlong.

@@Windjammer19 Yep. Generally, the best maps have areas for vehicles and areas for infantry, with the overlap typically in the middle or side open areas. The fight for anti-vehicle weapons control has always been critical. Now the paper vehicles can get taken down by anything and anyone. BTB sucks big ass in Infinite

I can't really justify it being as good as it is when comparing it to the Stalker rifle.

I agree with this. Having the opportunity to continue playing with a group of random people I happened to gel with was the difference between me playing for an hour and staying up playing until dawn. Even though I love Infinite, I'm finding it easier and easier to put down the controller after 2 or 3 matches. It feels too impersonal. I don't care for campaign. Multiplayer is the only interesting thing about Halo to me. But it feels like I may as well be playing a single player game because of the almost total lack of meaningful social interaction and comraderie. When Halo 3 came out, I could literally playing social for 10 hours straight and by the end of that 10 hours, I still had to pry myself off the game for the sake of my health and responsibilities. With Infinite, I play a few matches and lose interest. I've changed, I'm much older now. But so has Halo, and not in all ways for the better. I think the core gameplay of Infinite is the best of any Halo game, but aside from that earlier Halo games, particularly 3, did everything better.

I agree with increasing the skill gap on accuracy but I'm not sure how you do that when their aim assist is holding controller players hands and aiming for them.

The last part of your comment really resonated with me. I didn't expect to watch this video in its entirety either, and now after I feel conflicted but I still want to play lol..but how do I enjoy it knowing so much is missing/broken?? Even if I have a great run of winning games I'm just gonna be thinking about how nothing I do will reflect my ability its all unbalanced, RNG, and network bugs..

To be honest, it's an improvement, compared on Halo 5 for me.....

Yeah....the shooter genre is in bad shape. Look at old arena shooters and see how much more fun they were. fortnite and pubg success with yearly cod kinda runined it

@@ThePTBRULES I agree, it's been the best shooter in quite some time imo.

@@JTBergen95 overwatch blows out any shooter of this last decade and it's not even close. I've played them all. Valorant is an argument, but i don't think it launched with a respawning mode

its mindbogling

He should be a game engineer. His potential is immense. 343 hire this man.

Favyn has been underrated for years, he used to be a lot more aggressive in tone, but there's nearly always deliberate thoughtfulness behind his arguments.

It is a masterpiece I loved it

Love the way he starts it .. ya know, the whole "leaving hopeful about the future" vibe. Positivity is helpful. All the negativity around here sucks! LOL. jk. Halo rules. I think that the tough-love sentiment comes through crystal-clear here with all if his criticisms.

This video is crybaby central. Want a better video go watch 343 vs the world

No time stamps, the only reason why this video sucks.

Its good its just such little content the content is probably already done their just slowy releasing it so the game stays alive a long time kinda like fortnite

Because they put out good products every release. Just not perfect products, some lesser than others (Halo 5's campaign)

I uninstalled in December. This game was dogshit since it came out

​@@markz5173all cap 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 it only needed content the gameplay is og goat 🐐 and we all know it

Bungie that's why

I’ve heard 343 Cut a large amount of content in its development, If you seen the concept art there was scarabs, wild life, different biomes, also I have heard that the story was going to be a bit longer it wasn’t suppose to begin at the infinity being destroyed . it’s disheartening knowing what this game could have been

@@theelite5135 They had 6 years lol and btw the engine they're using isn't a brand new engine, the Slipspace Engine is based off of previous Halo 5 engine, it even has leftover strings from Halo 5, Halo CE, etc.

@@kianh.76 yeah I’ve heard, I’ve seen the game cheat videos

Games may "technically" be in development for six to 7 years but often time they are redone over and over again to the point that that the actual development of the end product is more like 2 or 3 years. Halo Infinite as a game was redone several times. The actual game was likely developed within 2 and a half years as opposed to actually taking six years.

@@theelite5135 bear in mind that concept art isn’t necessarily content that was cut. Sometimes it’s just artists having fun and making art within the universe to get the team excited or to spark ideas.

maps are literally catered to esports and comp, and not fun like how it was back then

@@TheTroller911 eSports brings in more money, surprise, corporations care more about money

@@otallono eSports is gay and companies pandering to that is a bad thing. I miss maps like lockout, I hate this 3 lane/symmetrical bullshit.

@@otallono not always.... you don't see ANYONE talking about esports for infinite....its completely manufactured....unlike smash bros

I thought the head of 343 was now Joe Staten, or at least he was given a seat of immense power to fix it. I read somewhere that Joe gave an interview and revealed some of the staggering changes he made in the game, like 343 not considering giving the Marines AI in the campaign because they didn't expect them to move around at all or something. Shit like that reveals to me how much Joe has worked to reverse some of the 343 damage to the series in infinite, I don't know how far that reaches into the multiplayer, but man. The situation was even more dire than it is now before he came back.

@@NFS0038 imagine if he was there from the start to steer the game in a better direction early on

@@NFS0038 Pretty sure there's still people above Joe that can cause us further problems. If Joe is the one responsible for taking halo from BAD to almost good then I thank him for that, he should have been in charge from the start of this game's development. Still, if he is mitigating 343's damage, it still sucks we have to wait SO damn long on unfucking this game when it should have just launched proper. As it stands current players of Infinite will be working as unpaid QA for 343 for several months.

Can we stop completely missing the term gaslight, please

@@Vashkey Am I using that wrong? I thought it was trying to make somebody believe they are the only one who thinks a certain way.

and climb

While I do understand your issues with it not being there at launch I would much rather them take their time and add a much more complex forge that is better than halo 5 in everyday than give us a half assed one that needs constant updates because of issues and oversights

@@northstar_6585 True, but I still can’t help but feel disappointed. Halo 5 was a massive project with only 3 years of dev time. Halo Infinite was a massive project with double that amount of dev time and less features on launch and no real indication of what they’ll look like when they are launched. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I may be, but isn’t forge supposed to come out in Season 2? I find it odd that they’ve given basically no info and no progress updates or trailers on it given the fact that it’s slated for a couple months time. I understand the surprise factor is important, but I do wish they’d at least give us as players some insight into the progress of certain features. I loved infinite’s campaign, but once I finished it, there was nothing left to do for me. I’m personally just not a big fan of the multiplayer’s gameplay and I usually don’t play a campaign again for a few months, so without forge it’s kinda just a game I love but can’t enjoy right now. I dunno, I agree that they should take their time and give us a truly updated and reimagined forge that’s better in every way, but I also can’t help but feel let down given the lack of updates and amount of time they had to get the system working.

@@northstar_6585 not hating you but its funny that they have to take their time when they had 6 years XD now we have to wait 16 years XD!!!!!

@@northstar_6585 that’s their own fault for prioritizing the wrong things in this game

@@northstar_6585 take their time? They had years of feedback with Halo 5s launch to get it right.

Game is dead 343 ruined Halo

I do think that from a player retention level, Infinite is more or less screwed :/ And as a huge halo fan who loves Infinite's gameplay and art design, that really saddens me to say. Adding a map or two every 3 months or so (which honestly seems unlikely at this point given its been 3 months since launch with zero maps added or even previewed) would do wonders for the game, but sadly I don't think the game will feel complete until all the content that really should have been there at launch is added (ie. Forge, co-op, mission select, working theater, file share system, non-battle-pass ranking system, desync and player collision issues addressed, direly needed vehicle improvements, etc.). And sadly I don't think we're going to be seeing all those things for at least another year, which sucks because even if _some_ people do come back, you only get one chance at a first impression and *many more* will be out for good.

@@343Films 2 maps every season, each season is 3 months. 8 maps new maps in a year. Halo 3 had 12 NEW MAPS in its entire life cycle, Reach had 14. Infinite will have more maps than that before year 2 of the game is over. I really get the impression Halo fans dont even know how other live service games work. Fortnite and Warzone dont get anything really until the next cod comes out or for fortnite every 3-4 months the map changes and you get a couple new guns. Apex the same thing, a new character, skins, and a map every 3-4 months. The real problem with Halo infinite is Customs and lack of forge, once those get fixed and come out.... guarantee the view on halo infinite is a 180.

@@jordan3305 the real problem is thinking every game has to be a live service title

No one said they had to be, but Halo needed to be in order to survive in today's market (fps in general at this point). People move from game to game so fast that an older halo games model wouldn't last long term. 343 just has alot of work cut out for them to get the game to a state (CONTENT WISE) to keep the season content flowconsistent. Its not impossible or that far off as some of the halo RU-vid channels want to think. But toxic fanbases and youtube channels don't help.

I think Halo Infinite can be held for 10 years. It’s not impossible, all 343 needs to do is have people in the studio go on a massive RU-vid spree and digest all the information they can. The campaign is definitely going to get DLC and the multiplayer is close to being there. To put it in perspective, Halo is doing better than CoD in the competitive scene. That doesn’t even make sense typing that out. Everything is there, they just need to work on fixing and listening to the community, which they are doing. No doubt if done correctly, the 10 year plan will be successful in the long run.

it had 6 years to cook, I think at some point delays start to harm a game's development.

@@mosesdevadass6056 you are literally cooked if you think this game is gonna last any longer then 2 years lol. This game is already dying and with all these bug issues pushing back future releases. More and more players are moving on to other games

@@williamcarulli if Halo 3 is still being played today people will still play Halo Infinite for more than two years.

@@williamcarulli You must’ve not read me correct. I think it can last 10 years, if it actually will who knows. It has faced massive drops in player count but we’re not even 3 months into the game. It sucks that we now live in a period where games are messed up at launch, but give 343 some time. I don’t think they did a good job taking over Bungie but at least give them the chance to make it right. If the game is still bad after several years, then I still stand by the fact that this should last 10 years. Microsoft should let Halo rest for a while, it acquired a ton of studios that can certainly fill in the void. Halo has been the selling point for the last 20 years, I know the releases themselves take quite a while but development for a new game takes much longer. Sit down, get a new studio, and I’d say develop the new game for 7 years. That is a long time, but with a longer time frame studios tend to expand more on the product.

Why are y’all so dramatic

@@drunkenn1nja debating new decisions when its been shown that 343 is listening in some capacity. why just blankly accept what's given to you when you can directly influence it into a better experience for all.

@@drunkenn1nja Halo has been one of the most important parts of my life since 2001 and it's been mishandled for far too long. Don't be judgmental prick

@@drunkenn1nja Because this game franchise means so much to us. If it does not to you, then I'll politely ask you to leave this video.

why

@@Eclipse-mk3hm bc calling this game Halo is sad

@@Obiwanrollmeone it’s a cool game,

Because the people who designed those maps, made those game decisions no longer make or management the development of Halo games, its that simple.

Wow that's something I never noticed. Nice catch. Considering all the people going "iNfiNiTe'S sOuNdTrAcK sLaPs!!! I can actually name a piece of 343-era music used semi-regularly in videos, it's "117" from Halo 4. Being the single memorable piece.