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HAM RADIO: Antenna Autopsy 2 A look at a 2M /70CM X300 Diamond/Watson Antenna 

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HAM RADIO: Antenna Autopsy 2 A look at a 2M /70CM X300 Diamond/Watson Antenna,
After the antenna I have had up on my house developed a high VSWR on 2M but remained good on 70CM I decided it was time to find out why.
It turned out that one of the capacitors had lost its value and this video is how I fixed the issue.
Hey why not look it up and see for yourself I'm not an expert on these matters just a guy that is giving it a go and sharing my experiences.
Hope you enjoy...
Just for fun
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Cheers
Mike - M0MSN
P.S. do not take my word for it, give it a go for yourself.

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@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Месяц назад
Love it! Time to strip down "You Know What" next! See you at the factory!! LOL
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Oops to late that's the next but one upload... :(
@TishaHayes
@TishaHayes 29 дней назад
Before I was old enough to attend university for my engineering degree I learnt so much by dissecting bad electronics and figuring out why and how it worked. Now, 40 years later and after a career as an RF engineer those memories and experience continue to shape my professional and personal life. I remember scraping the coating off of the different styles of resistors and finding some that were just pure carbon, other that were glass rods that had a circular track grooved in to them with conductive powder in the grooves. Taking apart capacitors; Even breaking open tubes to look at the plate, anode, grid and filament structures. Invaluable to be able to do that and make sense out of how things really work.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Yes, I to dissembled just about everything I came across, lol, happy days
@deweydoesit7165
@deweydoesit7165 28 дней назад
I've heard capacitors get old and can become resistors. I really don't understand anything about that yet, but I'm interested in figuring it out. I like this type of video because it's very informative and that is how things are figured out by troubleshooting and experimenting and experience is everything. Great video. Thank you
@Pedro8k
@Pedro8k 14 дней назад
The centre pin of the base can also go open circuit from the wind flexing it so good to hear FM repeaters in the background a lot have now gone
@WaltKO4LFE
@WaltKO4LFE Месяц назад
You really are a good teacher, er “ELMER”! Thank you!!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Thank you! 😃
@rjy8960
@rjy8960 Месяц назад
I blew a similar antenna up a few years ago running 200W on 6m into it. I still have it so should really try and repair it and replace the ceramic caps with coax caps - probably be good for a LOT more power than the rated 100W,
@bobskimaxx
@bobskimaxx Месяц назад
You repair stuff the same way I do! I'm so glad I'm not the only one!! 😂
@user-dl6pn9kp8m
@user-dl6pn9kp8m Месяц назад
Great video, very instructional, i didn't know about the coax capacitor. 73, M7AXN
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Месяц назад
Oh! Watching...!!
@ohyeawhosurpoppy
@ohyeawhosurpoppy Месяц назад
I believe that their is a "cap" at each of the funny antenna bend sections, 3/4 wave points. Thanks again for sharing, always learn a bunch here.
@Thinks-First
@Thinks-First 25 дней назад
That was excellent trouble shooting. Great hack making your own 6pF capacitor. You Brits are so inventive and resourceful. Thanks for the magnetron by the way.
@johnallsopp8260
@johnallsopp8260 10 дней назад
Hello Mike, interesting to learn that someone else has this problem. Sorted mine with silver mica capacitors in place of the ceramic type. Initially thought it was going to be a bin job until I saw the Allen screw holding the base in place. Retired from the radio Engineering Industry now, so plenty of time to play with the ham radio. Single feed to two radiators, current at different frequencies will flow out of the junction where it has the least impedance same as the nest of dipoles, ie if it sees 50 ohms it will flow into that radiator, that is one of the reasons we never used multi-band aerials in my early PMR days, too much hassle if a fault developed. vy 73 de John G4YDM
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 10 дней назад
Thanks John. :)
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU 13 дней назад
👍Well done Mike. I cannot say I am very surprised the little disc ceramic failed. Hopefully, the co-ax capacitor will do a better job. I am guessing that the tapped coil at the base is an autotransformer used to drop the impedance resistive element down to 50 Ohms and the shunt/series capcacitors will be cancelling out the reactance to around 0 Ohms. This means that you are left with approx. 50 Ohms restistive presented to the transciever. The "bendy bits" along the copper vertical section will be to adjust the phasing from each lower 5/8 element to the one above. They are bent back on themselves to reduce radiation. The idea is is the phasing sections don't radiate but just add extra length to make sure the 5/8 sections all radiate in phase. This is what gives the colinear it's gain.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 11 дней назад
Many thanks Steve. 👍👍👍
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 Месяц назад
great mike. found the problem, a bad 6PF cap. what happened that cap got so hot it un soldered it self. that a colinear antenna. the coils up the antenna push the lobes out on the pattern flatting the donut pattern. nice cap. if you get full data sheet on coax will have cap value per meter listed. gives you a cut chart. the 5/8 wave gain master for 11 meters uses a coax cap inside as well. 73's
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Yes I have built one 8.4pF cap needed in the GM..:)
@sv1dkd
@sv1dkd 28 дней назад
Hi Mike, thanks for another fantastic video!! I always find your videos extremely informative, interesting and helpful! I often use your video on calculating Q, reactance and inductance as a teaching aid to help explain impedance and resonance. Keep’em coming! This is true ham radio!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Wow thanks, cheers!
@Paul_1967
@Paul_1967 Месяц назад
Very interesting to see the antenna internally thank you for sharing.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Very welcome
@ldocull
@ldocull Месяц назад
At 1st glance, I would say it’s stacked co-linear arrays. Something to read up on! 😊 de WR9R
@ldocull
@ldocull Месяц назад
Good fix!!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Yep I think so, stacked co-linear. :)
@nvrumi
@nvrumi Месяц назад
That was my thought too.
@nvrumi
@nvrumi Месяц назад
That first close up of the cap was a clue. I noticed that the exterior cover was broken where the leads enter the head. That made me think you might have a bad cap. Given the apparent age of the antenna, I think replacing them all would be appropriate. Nice bit of diagnostic work.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
New Caps on order...
@franciscolopez3229
@franciscolopez3229 Месяц назад
Thank you sir for sharing this. By the way, clever idea on clay. All the best.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Thanks
@Ploggy.
@Ploggy. Месяц назад
Nice job Mike 🙂👍
@oz1jux
@oz1jux 26 дней назад
I had also same issue with a 3 band antenna. It save 300 watt max power I use was 150 watt on 2 meters. But most of the time it only was 25 watt ARPS. I fixed it 2 times. After I only use max 100 watt I had no problem more.
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 Месяц назад
You have no idea the trouble I would be in using the kitchen worktop as a work bench ! 73 M7BLC
@ptronix
@ptronix Месяц назад
Hi Mike, G6BPC in stroud here. I did exactly the same mod to my X510. Not because it was faulty, but there is evidence that the capacitors are prone to melting at 100 Watts or more. I think it's my most popular video! Mine is an original Diamond and after many years the three seals on the sections have not let in any water. Thanks, Nick
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Thanks for the info!
@michaelclutton8446
@michaelclutton8446 Месяц назад
Very interesting to see the internal construction of the aerial, when you tested the small capacitor it seemed OK, perhaps it was breaking down when it got a higher RF voltage across it. Good tip using the coax
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
yep, spot on.
@che59v
@che59v Месяц назад
Great video, well done.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Thank you very much!
@snuitje100
@snuitje100 29 дней назад
It is a common problem these capacitors often fail. Either due to static load or excessive RF. I am curious how you routed the coax capacitor inside the antenna housing. Best 73, Stan (DK2CA)
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
yes should have shown that, it was simply wrapped around the plastic below the coil.
@ianxfs
@ianxfs Месяц назад
Glad you’re sorted Mike 👍🏻 Not sure how old it is, but my two Diamond X-300s, 5 years and younger, don’t match yours, so possibly something else, unless it’s some sort of older design 🤔
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Hi Ian, turns out to be a Sharman... who knew
@ohaya1
@ohaya1 13 часов назад
So the conclusion is the capacitor was broken even though the LCR meter initially sowed 6 pF? Or am I misinterpreting?
@bassangler73
@bassangler73 Месяц назад
Thanks, i have the same antenna.
@M7XCB
@M7XCB Месяц назад
Great fix the antenna will handle more power than original.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
I hope so
@evanjones2539
@evanjones2539 29 дней назад
Wouldn't transmitting FM on 144.000 be transmitting out of band..? I could say the same for 146 but you may have a NOV..
@mdwestlund1
@mdwestlund1 Месяц назад
Wa6ols Wes. It's a colonial vhf/uhf with a matching circuit.
@cristiannastase4956
@cristiannastase4956 20 дней назад
It’s a collinear antenna. Those folded sections are just quarter phasing stubs. They can be folded or arranged in various ways. Some are just a U shape horizontal or wrapped around in a circle. Look at a super-j or marine Shakespeare antenna.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 20 дней назад
thanks
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685 Месяц назад
Awesome job as always but i would have replaced all the caps with coax while it was apart just for piece of mind and for it to handle higher power
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Great point!
@mikesradiorepair
@mikesradiorepair Месяц назад
What's up with the S-7 to S-9 noise floor on 2M? Hope it's not like that once you get it back up in the air.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Hi Mike, local QRM from a wall wort, now replaced.. Good to hear from you, missing your videos/uploads!
@GateKommand
@GateKommand Месяц назад
It's because your kettle was the wrong inductance, it was out by about 500 Pico Kettles 🤣
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
🤣🤣
@matknight
@matknight 20 дней назад
I have the same antenna with the same problem, once i get it down, this video will be used for relevance, Just one question Mike, if the original capacitor was OK and just lifted off the one leg, why did the SWR not come back down? mine is high on 2 and 70, brand new feeder and plugs fitted. Found a short length of feeder the same as yours, no idea what i did but it measured as a resistor not a capacitor 0.04A. shoot me now Mike, it could only happen to me. Just for clarity, the feeder you used as the capacitor, is it a specific length overall? the one end looks like you bared the braid and pulled it back and then just bared the centre conductor yes? i did this and couldn't get a measurement. i take it the other end is just cut and left, not joined?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 20 дней назад
Yep the coax cap, is NOT shorted and a small amount of separation is needed to ensure it does not short. a lot of coax can act as a cap (look at the spec's) but most are around 1pF per cm of length..
@JensPu-zs2lu
@JensPu-zs2lu Месяц назад
so the original cap was broken even you tested/measured it? or what was the reason it finally worked? sorry, english is not my native language
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
Original Cap tested ok but did not hold out at a higher voltage, so needed changing
@bazzaar1869
@bazzaar1869 Месяц назад
Quite disappointing to see such an ordinary looking capacitor used in a power RF situation.
@AddFilmmedia
@AddFilmmedia Месяц назад
Sir, how did you see that the coil was overdone by one turn? I”m sort of a nube to this…
@spareiChan
@spareiChan 27 дней назад
He didn't change the coil, that was done at the factory, they often do stuff like that if the same coil is used on a bunch of models instead of ordering one for each.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
The first turn was soldered to the second one...
@eidalatawi1940
@eidalatawi1940 19 дней назад
I wish to know How to fix my antenna, no body in my country know how to fix 😔
@dennis8019
@dennis8019 Месяц назад
in the kitchen u got the radiation element directly connected to the radials /ground . its litterly leaning against the part at 11:33 how just how
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Well yes, it looks that way but it is lined with tape to shop that from happening.....
@frankthetank3342
@frankthetank3342 Месяц назад
Running a kilowatt will smoke those ceramic caps. I promise.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 26 дней назад
yes for sure
@mdwestlund1
@mdwestlund1 Месяц назад
I think the caps are too small.
@jameskaras4345
@jameskaras4345 Месяц назад
make a j-pole
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
I just might...
@Nick_G7IZR
@Nick_G7IZR Месяц назад
My wife would kill me for working on a real wood kitchen worktop!!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Yes, so would mine so don't tell her.... :)
@paulhealey2984
@paulhealey2984 Месяц назад
You need a workshop.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Yes I do.....
@Dan-M0MST
@Dan-M0MST Месяц назад
Certain sure that's not a Diamond got 3 of them here. Diamond have the larger radials. Had this happen to me one before using a Sharmans copy X300 that was used on a remote site with high wind loads. It was only used as an RX antenna so not sure why the capacitor went in it. Whilst I also had it apart I added plenty more foam inside of the GRP shroud to stop it rattling, its lasted 6 years since.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
Hi Dan, yes you could be right with Sharman... good point.
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Месяц назад
Does static electricity get to the capacitors?
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