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Ham Radio - The GOOZEEZOO(a.k.a. Hamgeek HG-20a) magnetic loop antenna 

Kevin Loughin
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Trying it out, doesn't work very well.. Nice hardware though.
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Комментарии : 93   
@DM-fz3ly
@DM-fz3ly Месяц назад
for the $88+ dollars I would package it up and return it! Amazon "free returns" won't cost you a penny
@timmcilraith8762
@timmcilraith8762 Месяц назад
Hope we have our "good old Kevin" back for good. Much missed.
@AmRadPodcast
@AmRadPodcast Месяц назад
I appreciate you spending your own money on reviewing this for us. No loop with tiny caps and a choke like that will perform as they claim. Folks are better off bending some copper by hand. Doesn’t have to be pretty, but does have to be efficient! Have a good weekend and thanks again! -Derek
@nigelgough1238
@nigelgough1238 Месяц назад
Hi Kevin, good to see you looking well. Thanks for the video.
@Oodle-ox2vf
@Oodle-ox2vf Месяц назад
Lookin better man. Happy days. 🙂
@dougtaylor7724
@dougtaylor7724 Месяц назад
Two thoughts. Take a dremel tool and cut the back open. Shorten the wires and cover the hole with a piece of flat plastic and a dab of silicone. Second is use the loop for AM radio station listening at night. I bet you can get so many stations out there they overlap. The loop might give you directional discretion. BTW, you look great Kevin. Look like you old self. Glad to see you back and feeling better.
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean Месяц назад
I appreciate you took the effort to draw a schematic. Now I can build and try such a control box myself.
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
Well this is probably not the best design. But you can get the schematic for the MFJ loop tuner, which is similar. They have a couple of inductors in line with The coupling capacitor, might make the difference.
@norrinradd8952
@norrinradd8952 Месяц назад
Looking better, I hope you feel better as well. It's difficult to know for sure if this antenna is intentionally bad with intent to maximize profit or perhaps it is defective. If you had the time perhaps you could improve this antenna and do a video about it. Thank you for sharing.
@johnpawlicki1184
@johnpawlicki1184 Месяц назад
I have a very wide band antenna that handles 100 watts and matches 1:1 across HF, VHF and UHF bands. It sits on my shack desk. It is, of course, my dummy load. Great video.
@traveller-nl
@traveller-nl Месяц назад
Tnx Kevin. Nice parts though. Good Hardline for your other loop, nice box… Hmm just needs an inductor and you can make a manual T-match or even a Pi network out of it. Maybe even a pre-selector…? Plenty of opportunity to use your VNA with such projects.
@DanielFlores-K7PKB
@DanielFlores-K7PKB Месяц назад
Great to see to back! Thanks for the info about this antenna.
@georgenunes1614
@georgenunes1614 Месяц назад
Best wishes for a full recovery Kevin! You are looking and sounding better every video! Sorry about the loop, we all have parts in our junk boxes from wished successes…. ham radio brat
@Philip-KA4KOE
@Philip-KA4KOE Месяц назад
Always love your preroll. Glad you're better.
@ominkan3129
@ominkan3129 Месяц назад
Thanks for the video. Really gives insight to what to pass up. It looks cool but that's all.
@EricMarshallva
@EricMarshallva Месяц назад
good to see you on
@jorgecuadra9798
@jorgecuadra9798 Месяц назад
Kevin. Nice to see you again. I hope you're ok in your recovery. Regards from Santiago of Chile. 73's CE3PSD
@hectorpascal
@hectorpascal Месяц назад
Don't give them ideas Kevin! Even with the controls on the bottom of the box, the "improved" performance will still be pretty awful! Nicely made main loop though... (and if you put that lossy thin coax feed line, the SWR will look even "better"!)
@lilblackduc7312
@lilblackduc7312 Месяц назад
Thank you, Kevin! Take care of yourself and "Keep the Faith"! 🇺🇸 👍☕
@raylowe3324
@raylowe3324 Месяц назад
Nice looking dummy load. The loop coax is probably the only thing worth using.
@donnakano3697
@donnakano3697 Месяц назад
Thank you for putting out objective, quantifiable reviews.
@WECB640
@WECB640 Месяц назад
Hi Kevin. This was a very good video and test of the GOOZEEZOO. Those tiny variable caps and thin wire interconnects can't possibly handle more than a few watts of RF because (as you know) all magnetic loops have very large currents and voltages on the loop. I would check the resistance of the loop with a bench supply and then read the mv drop with a DVM across the loop and compute via Ohms Law. it should be about 0.1 ohms or less. Let's also take apart that faulty balun and see why it adds loss and broadens the Q of the loop. Looking forward to the next video. Glad to see you're feeling stronger as time goes forward. 👍73 OM
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU Месяц назад
👍Thanks for video Kevin. I think your idea to repurpose the parts is good.
@andrewhill2556
@andrewhill2556 Месяц назад
Great your back doing videos. I've seen other reviews on these loops and none of them good. Fred in the shed had issues trying to tune 11m and I think he did a mod and it worked a little better ? All the best Andy M6APJ
@leehyde6610
@leehyde6610 Месяц назад
Glad to see your alive and well!
@KG5RK
@KG5RK Месяц назад
Hello Kevin, Glad to see you up and about. I think I've seen better performance out of DUMMY Loads ! Mag loops are supposed to be "HI Q" antennas. As I recall, HI-Q means NARROW Bandwidth. So their claims of service from 40 Meters to 70 CM just validates it is also LOW Q... A HIGH DOLLAR DUMMY LOAD. That piece of Hardline loop looks impressive :-}
@tomtwist1081
@tomtwist1081 Месяц назад
I think you forget that a magloop needs to be tuned to the operating frequency. So the coverage says little about the Q.
@bradenglettkd8zm69
@bradenglettkd8zm69 Месяц назад
Great video, Kevin. You, no doubt, saved a lot of operators from buying junk. Maybe it's OK for receive only, but so is a 50' length of wire! 😀
@g1jee
@g1jee Месяц назад
Thanks for the review.
@Darrell_Coquillette
@Darrell_Coquillette Месяц назад
It looks like it's good quality. Now I want to see Kevin rebuild it to work the way it should. Thanks again for the videos and I hope you're doing well. 73 de N9JOD
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
I was thinking about coupling it with a coupling loop and feeding it that way. But the small light duty capacitors they use would arc over like fireworks. I don't think there's any hope for the design. At least not with the hardware they included. I might turn the box into a zmatch antenna tuner for QRP. And use that nice coax loop on one of my home built loops.
@AlanElBee
@AlanElBee Месяц назад
At that price, you could crank up the transmit power and do a "smoke test" 😂 73, K7KS
@raymondmartin6737
@raymondmartin6737 Месяц назад
To Add, I bought a UBeesize CT-50 Tripod for about $15.00 additional for this junky loop. Thanks for your review and warning.
@wa6gxq
@wa6gxq Месяц назад
Good to see you 73
@chrisherd991
@chrisherd991 Месяц назад
Thanks for this.
@JT-py9lv
@JT-py9lv Месяц назад
*Thanks for taking one for the team.* Need to stay away from this one for sure !
@raymondmartin6737
@raymondmartin6737 Месяц назад
This really takes the user for a loop
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 Месяц назад
It does show that a bought aerial doesn't mean it outperforms a home made one. I've made five attic dipoles 20m to 10m, an outdoor 60m inverted vee, two loops for h.f. and a copy of a thing which was around in the 1960's and 70's called a Joystick and 26 foot of wire which tunes 160m to 10m using a supposedly non-working MFJ 16010 tuner I was given. It worked for me. It did stop working after a trip to Wales and I found a wire not soldered and soldered it so I guess vibration moved the unsoldered wire. G4GHB.
@RickGreenPhoto
@RickGreenPhoto Месяц назад
Thanks for the warning.
@raymondmartin6737
@raymondmartin6737 Месяц назад
Indoors, I could hear a strong shortwave signal on 15.770, WRMI in Florida
@davidsradioroom9678
@davidsradioroom9678 Месяц назад
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
@DonDegidio
@DonDegidio Месяц назад
Hi Kevin, Would be interested in how the coax loop works on your homebrew loop. Might not be a total waste of money. 🙂 Stay safe. 73 WJ3U
@tommiehinman1349
@tommiehinman1349 Месяц назад
LoL I can see why you didn't include a link to purchase
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
Yep, this review turned out to be more of a warning. Ha
@raymondmartin6737
@raymondmartin6737 Месяц назад
Yes, I bought a similar Goozeezoo look like this and it doesn't work well too. It makes a good table top display
@robincross4625
@robincross4625 Месяц назад
It sounds like RG-174. Look it up 0.1 inch OD. 2.8 mm sounds about right.
@W3OY-RAY
@W3OY-RAY Месяц назад
I would return it too.
@JennyEverywhere
@JennyEverywhere Месяц назад
I never could make a contact with the stupid loop. I got better results on my own homebrew loop.
@MegawattKS
@MegawattKS Месяц назад
Excellent video and tests against the other antennas! Thanks. On the issue of why the efficiency is low, I think its got low-Q capacitors. They're AM radio receiver caps. At this antenna size (2m circumference on 20 meters), the theoretical Q of the resonant loop (X/R) is likely about 2500 and the resonating cap Q should be very high (maybe 5000+). But then tuning would be very sensitive and arcing would likely result on transmit. As is, its still maybe a good receive antenna though (background noise is usually at least 20 dB above theoretical limits - so an efficiency of 0.01 would be fine 🙂) I'm curious. What kind of caps do you have in your homebrew loop (and how sensitive is the tuning)? And is the diameter about the same?
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
The homebrew loop is fully covered in two videos. Look back about three videos in my channel and you'll see building the small magnetic loop. The description references the design video from last year with all the details.
@WHNorthcote
@WHNorthcote Месяц назад
Of all the stupid names for a company, this has to be in the top ten.
@kenwezeman7827
@kenwezeman7827 Месяц назад
I didn't think it would work just based on the claimed specs.
@Ascania
@Ascania Месяц назад
You sure that's coax? That looks like a shower hose they used.
@pasixty6510
@pasixty6510 Месяц назад
On HF it doesn’t outperform a dummy load that much and on UHF/VHF every loop does better. So…no no no!
@raymondmartin6737
@raymondmartin6737 Месяц назад
If I spoke to the manufacturer I would give them some :cross talk.:
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Месяц назад
That looks like Heliax, a full copper shield, (basically thin copper pipe with ribs to allow some flex in order to bend it,) that they are using the shield of for their loop. This loop antenna appears to be made out of whatever assortment of junk parts they could find, and poorly 'designed' by someone who knows nothing about RF. Any homebrew $10 loop that is designed and built properly would far outperform this piece of junk. The short coax they provided looks close to RG-174, which might work for HF but is just an attenuator at VHF/UHF. This isn't designed to work. It's designed to take money from the unwary. BTW, with antenna lengths at VHF/UHF being what they are, and vertical antennas being so very cheap and simple, there is really no point in trying to build a much more complex and expensive tunable loop that offers almost no advantage beyond slight directivity to combat noise that likely doesn't exist at VHF/UHF wherever the user is located. Certain types of antennas are advantageous on certain bands, but are seldom optimal on other bands that are far removed.
@2321brendan
@2321brendan Месяц назад
In absolute best case scenario,this loop will be about 4% efficient at 7Mhz So 5w in = 200mw out at best . Probably more like 0.5% eff due to resistance in coax connections ,switches,cap wipers. So maybe 25mw out. QRRRRRRRRppppp
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean Месяц назад
Should be good for FT8 and FT65.
@BMCTackle
@BMCTackle Месяц назад
Hmm. How does the loop do as a rec only antenna? I need a RX only loop!
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
Poorly. I think I mentioned it briefly in the video that I only heard the strongest of stations.
@KeepEvery1Guessing
@KeepEvery1Guessing Месяц назад
The box and capacitors might be a basis for a QRP Z-match. And check the skinny feed line COAX with you VNA before you toss it. Yes, it will be very lossy on VHF/UHF, but might be acceptable on the lower HF bands, or for cutting up to make short jumpers.
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
Yeah I was thinking along the same lines with that box, a QRP antenna tuner. Short jumpers is an interesting idea with that coax. In lieu of antenna switches at my desk, I've been thinking about making a small BNC patch panel. Bring the antenna tuner in and out, the SWR meter in and out, the antenna feeds, and the radio feeds all up to BNC connectors and then just using short patch connect cables to patch things the way I need at that point. Much more flexible than trying to do things with multiple antenna switches.
@AndrewMurphy8383
@AndrewMurphy8383 Месяц назад
Looks like rg174?
@TheArtofEngineering
@TheArtofEngineering Месяц назад
I imagine that coax being as lossy as it will be broadens the Q making it look wider than it is?
@tomtwist1081
@tomtwist1081 Месяц назад
If you mean the main loop coax, I find that the best part of this antenna. Much better than an RG-213 or other braided coax. The main loss is probably in the C1 capacitors. 5 W @ 14.1 MHz would produce 7.35 A in a good loop this size.
@TheArtofEngineering
@TheArtofEngineering Месяц назад
@@tomtwist1081​​⁠no the feedline (2 mins 52 secs into video). But agreed using polyvaricon caps for the tuning is not really fit for purpose as well, considering the voltages generated at even modest power outputs is very high!
@migsvensurfing6310
@migsvensurfing6310 Месяц назад
Only using the screen on the loop itself, one could use chicken wire. The coax "functionality" is not used in the loop. Thick cable is desired for mechanical stability. I would rather like to see a measurement of the cable he didn't use....
@TheArtofEngineering
@TheArtofEngineering Месяц назад
@@migsvensurfing6310 Yes my mate has built one himself from aluminium strip. Worked 15000km Euro stations on 20w CW on his antenna ....in this video (DX will be in part 2 video :)) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FmkMDeXaCOU.html
@tomtwist1081
@tomtwist1081 Месяц назад
@@TheArtofEngineering He is not using the RG-174 in his tests. It looks like RG-58. But the RG-174 only har 0.12 dB more loss than RG-174, and 0.21 dB at 28 MHz. Negiable compared to the other losses in this antenna.
@ronleblanc9832
@ronleblanc9832 Месяц назад
could you do better by changing the coax loop size ???
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
No the problem in this loop is the design and the inadequate capacitors.
@bradfordcouncilman3136
@bradfordcouncilman3136 Месяц назад
FB OM
@jpkellyburbank
@jpkellyburbank Месяц назад
With the included coax it would have worked even worse. Buyer beware.
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 Месяц назад
No inductor loop means it's junk.
@loughkb
@loughkb Месяц назад
Not necessarily. There are other means of coupling, gamma match, ferrite transformer. However, the army made loops this way, and MFJ has a loop tuner that works this way that works quite well. The design idea is sound if properly implemented. This loop uses poor wiring and inadequate capacitors. The only thing good about it is the coaxial main loop.
@eddiewalker4530
@eddiewalker4530 Месяц назад
Thanks for the review. Think I’ll pass 😊
@turboclub7658
@turboclub7658 26 дней назад
Its NOT a "MAG" Loop! Am I wrong? Tell me why it IS a "MAG" Loop... My DIY 40M Dual Mag Loop IS and works, by my NanoVNA and SDR RX results.
@loughkb
@loughkb 26 дней назад
From the wiki on loop antennas, "The small loop antenna is also known as a magnetic loop since the response of an electrically small loop is proportional to the rate of change of magnetic flux through the loop." Pretty much all loop antennas are magnetic loops. They work with the magnetic field.
@turboclub7658
@turboclub7658 6 дней назад
@@loughkb Fair enough, my comment was based on my belief that a MAG Loop had to have a small sensing loop in proximity to the main larger loop which is tuned to enhance the signal on sensing small loop that is connected to the RX/TX device.
@AlexejSvirid
@AlexejSvirid Месяц назад
Hey, Kevin. 🙂 RU-vid works terrible. They may stop it working here soon. Too much complaints for political misuse.
@AlexejSvirid
@AlexejSvirid Месяц назад
One time I tried to search for "trinity", but two of three first search results were political news.
@ve6hdh992
@ve6hdh992 Месяц назад
Great video, Kevin. Glad to see you gaining more strength each video. Keep kicking that Covid to the curb. Take care. de VE6HDH
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