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I was a victim of this bs law. I was arrested for selling someone Furanyl-Fentanyl (The buyer was aware of what it was). At the time Furanyl-Fentanyl hadn’t been scheduled. While I was fighting the case it got scheduled. I was told because of the analog act I could be charged still retroactively because it was an analog of an already scheduled drug. It’s absolutely pre-crime nonsense. I served 3 years in state prison for selling a willful customer a drug that at the time I purchased it wasn’t illegal in the United States.
Sorry, this happened to you. Completely unjustified. At the same time, best not to sell or even show off drugs related to the media's current target for fear mongering. You and I know that fentanyl and opioids aren't shit when used correctly. But most of the population is either misinformed or using the law to their advantage.
The analog act is meant to be applied arbitrarily and basically enact blanket bans. Unfortunately every time an analog is banned, the next generation of analogs is exponentially more dangerous. This has been true of everything from noids to cathinones. Terrible law.
And also makes things that don't even exist illegal 😂. Imagine retarding science to such a degree. We're literally in the dark ages of chemistry and neuropharmacology still
It’s gov trying to ban things they no nothing about, like guns having appearance laws or their covid laws laws etc that govs use to give themselves tyrannical powers! Say no to u constitutional laws! I personally think all drugs should be legalised, so they can be taxed, kept in check, tested and prescribed, not decriminalised, not let go to black markets, govs still need to take down illegal manufacturing, like alcohol and other consumable products
To be fair we don't really hear about the potentially beneficial compounds that have been found via this route of being pushed to get around the analog act. In 40 years some of them might be retrospectively used by doctors or scientists
This is like the 'pound per plant' charges for Cannabis in draconian Florida. It did not matter if you had 100 sprouts; you got charged for 100 pounds without the actual product. Always makes my day when I catch a new episode @Hamilton Morris ❤❤
The people using regulated Fentanyl aren't having many problems at all. It's the adulterants in the drug supply and random dosages that are harming people. In other words, the Controlled Substances Act must be repealed. Every drug needs to be regulated like alcohol with legal drug stores and drug bars.
You can go back to alcohol prohibition and find the liquor was being adulterated with furniture polish, or even heroin to see the same problems. The dosage makes the poison, and prohibition makes the dosages unknown.
We need to regulate who has access to drugs the same way we regulate driving. We don’t just let anyone drive a car you got to prove that you are able to handle and not harm yourself and others. We need to be smart which drugs are allowed which one are safe and study the consequences of the of the drug use so we can be make adjustments. Probably will require a whole new government agency.
@@melburn4596 We don't have a drug problem, we have a drug prohibition problem. Trying to regulate who is "deserving" of access is the problem. That's why people are using adulterated unregulated drugs from traffickers. There needs to be bars and drug stores for people to use.
Regarding the "not for human consumption" thing, I vaguely recall that over a century ago condoms were labelled as "for prevention of disease only" because contraception was illegal. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
A upload from Hamilton, always a pleasure. I wish my socio-economic situation was better so i could be a supporter but ill signpost everyone i can to do so in my place.
It' not just the "ambiguity" of the Analogues Act, it's the fact that the Analogues Act is unconstitutional making drugs that haven't been invented yet illegal.
It's government getting in the way of potentially new compounds that could treat, cure or develop new methods of synthesising further. The only people against this are Big Pharma and those associated with them @@randomnobody8770
I graduated high school in 2010. My friends that were on probation bc of weed started to smoke spice so they could still pass a drug test. This is the only reason Spice has clients in my eyes....
Tried it once when someone possessed It for similar reasons. Then I smoked a real bowl. Once was fine, no reason weed should have been prohibited, the delta 8 market is the same. Shouldnt be there its inefficiency to dodge regulation, not market equilibrium
I lost a good friend to spice, he was a professional chef trained at the Culinary Institute of America, but went paranoid and became obsessive, stopped going to work, went through his savings and was eventually evicted and living in his car...😢 his last few bucks were spent on Kratom never heard from him since
So glad Rubin brought up challenges to bureaucratic deference going to the Supreme Court, I was thinking about that when he discussed deference given to the DEA when it classifies chemicals as an analogue. The precedent would apply, in my opinion, it will be interesting to see how the Court rules and how that can apply to the DEA’s internal rulings.
I read the book after hearing this interview and the case boiled down to this: were these synthetic cannabinoids “substantially similar” to previously criminalized cannabinoids. The whole process of proving/ disproving substantial similarity was so strange and convoluted that there was no consensus in the scientific community. The case boiled down to the government making an emotional argument easier for juries to digest basically saying “well, they are bad guys and they are drug dealers. Selling drugs.” In my opinion the defense fell into the trap of attempting to prove their clients morality rather than taking the hard road of proving the chemicals were not substantially similar. Obviously this strategy failed and they were essentially convinced of being drug dealers, drug legality notwithstanding. The analogue act is such an asinine law because it sets a near impossible burden of proof for the accused. It also demands juries to come to a verdict not on evidence but on nuanced extrapolations of chemistry and pharmacology.
I wished the interview began with an explanation of what Trepanation is and the claimed benefits. Because, i'm familiar with what it is but haven't ever heard anything about the benefits or how it compares to the effects of various drugs.
A friend of mine died at his head shop on the initial wave of JWH13 because the vendor passed off an unknown bath salt in its place. I immediately threw away thousands of any related packages.
i know this is a small complaint but i wish you could put the timestamps on the beginning i just left my pc with it playing by accident and had to find the start again well its basically my fault but timestamps would help :), also thank you for uploading these videos to youtube for free i really enjoy these educational videos for a topic im into
there are a lot of bad people involved with the selling of almost all products and services yet, rather than being demonized, they are held up as leaders of business and industry as examples to emulate.
Reminds me of getting drug tested for weed as a teen, and then trying Xanax etc…. People gon do what they want and you stop them being able to, they’ll do the next best thing, regardless of whether it’s safer or more dangerous than the first.
@@landmonitor-lsd5634 It’s not a word. It’s an acronym. It stands for Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved. So there is no right and wrong pronunciation.
One thing you can do is look up the electrical field gradients around a phenethyaminel or tryptamine of interest and use AI to discover compounds that have a similar field gradisnt but different chemical structure missing the key parts that mske it an analog. You will get a huge amount of chemicals with a similar space charge but missing bits of the rings etc that may or msy not be active chemicals.😮
A lot of 4-aco-xxx chemicals are popping up on the supplement market and was wondering this could shed some light on why. It seems they DEA or FDA could hit these products hard even without hospitalization, but they have only went after one big company that I know of now.
The only time i have smoked spice was on a job in Poland because the local guy who said he could get us some weed came back with that. Only very vaguely similar and extremely potent, a high edible dose that got a litle weird is the closest it came to cannabis. When we asked him about it it turned out he had never seen real weed and just said "In Poland is normal." Fun fact: Up to 20%, locally like in Berlin obviously way more, of the cannabis sold on the black market in Germany is low quality or simply legal CBD weed that is treated with synthetic cannabinoids
This episode got me through a monotonous round of inoculating mushroom substrate bags. Thank you! 🤘😁🍄 (If you're still reading this comment, go check out The Trial of Tim Heidecker,)
Spice and obscure synthetic cannabonoids filled a need 10-12 years ago. Other than kids in rural america and prisoners in prison I don’t see why anyone would want that now when you can go to any smoke shop in America and purchase safe cannabanoids like delta 8-10 or CBD and CBG for pain relief over spice.
I been super high before on weed. I want more like that… was it spice I don’t know… but I need more… weed is weak and shit it is like sugar but more boring…
I am a very rare breed, but i still prefer spice. Been over 12 years now, and one can still get it, where there's a will there's a way. But its nothing like it was when it first came out. And i also feel it was fine until people started smoking it like it was pot, cuz its not. 2 to 4 leaves with tweezers in a one hitter. Not a whole frkn bowl, its 5times plus stronger! Duh. And ive always felt that those that abused it and didn't know how to use it correctly ruined it for any of us that actually do know.
The red scare of chemicals is something I noticed a long time ago, but with mexico. The brown scare... The irony is that our laws basically provided Mexican cartels with demanding customers who now were less capable of self sufficiency. Likely wouldn't have prevented mass production. #Bringback'mericandope!
I listened to all of this. Hamilton i was wondering if you can go into detail about tidal wave mushrooms... i listened to the one on penis envy as well. Nothing but respect my friend
This actually makes me glad we have the NpSG in Germany. It draws up exact Markush structures and states which substituents are forbidden. The 5th version, I think is has just passed Bundesrat, will inculde THC derived Cannabinoids but they still haven't fixed a paragraph from 2021 so methylphenidate derivatives remain legal :)
I've stopped blaming capitalism and looked towards social hierarchy as a base reason for these power grabs. I support the freedom of human sized communities to decide what drug usage is acceptable within their community. Anarchism is the only ethical political system.
I already feel guilty for using a biased, evil, woke app (Google/YT) so it it is difficult to directly support Patreon, which is even worse. Is there another venue to support Hamilton?
So, just how is one meant to even know whether a drug is meant for human consumption or not? OK, if you got a picture of SpongeBob, or Bart Simpson on the packet - Naw, the intended end~user there ain't no _horse,_ Bro'!
Technically the synthetics were excessively regulated because half of prison deaths implicated synthetic cannabinoids between 2015-2020 for eg. Psychotic episodes went rampant in UK when spice hit the street, for eg. It was an excessive response (more recently, there's always been drug hysteria in the decades prior from MDMA to mushrooms). I'm talking more recently, synthetics have consistently been more dangerous than natural products including coke derivatives. The natural products are typically far safer than synthetics and knockoffs. Very interesting discourse and conversation that needs to be had. Imho, substantially similar should mean the chemical would look indistinguishable side by side to a lament, the way chiral molecules are barely recognizable when presented to most people unfamiliar with those types of images. It should be clear like discerning porn from art.
Drugs are awesome in every way and are beneficial in moderation. I do many, legal and not. Spice has fucked up some very good people I know because it was played off as weed. My $.02
Bro I Couldn't Like This Video For Some Reason. Took Like 3 Or 4 Tries. New Structure. Also, I Just Posted On Breaking Points About 1986 Controlled Substances Act And Mentioned This Video Immediately Beforehand. Super Weird.
Hammy, CannaClear's THCP needs more validation than you claim here. I suggest you look deeper into how its purity is properly assessed. You claim NMR, but show TLC and that it is "Bonified" - but whats that mean? 95% pure? Must be, i see tons of hemp isomer analysis and yet to see "thcp" that i would consider "bonifide", but maybe we have different standards for what that means 😂
Yeah, the analysis was simply to show that it was THCP as opposed to a misrepresented product e.g., Δ8-THC being sold as THCP. HPLC is a better analytical technique for this sort of thing. I recently asked a lab that specializes in cannabinoid analysis to test Cannaclear's THCB against an analytical reference from Caymen and it was 86.43% Δ9-THCB, with .71% CBDB, and 4.9% other THCB isomers. From what I have seen, virtually all of the "alternative" phytocannabinoids on the market contain some quantity of isomers/impurities and are not 100% pure, but my major concern was that it did not contain controlled impurities and that it was not a misrepresented product. I'm covering this in a future episode.
@HamiltonMorris word up, yea would be a good episode. With finding controlled noids at least it is an impurity that can be identified. Who knows, if we look hard enuff we might soon find the plant producing what have been known as synth noids all along. The hemp isomers game is neat for sure.
