I like this song very much, I understand most of it, yes al hemshenzim, but I am Muslim and my family moved to Iran over 80 years ago. I wouldn't mind some tourshi & wine right now. Very nice music, sound of Hemshen culture & people
I was in Turkey 6 months ago, from Yerevan to Georgia then to Turkey, stayed in Hopa for a few nights. In any case nothing I say will matter much, I have my best friend here who is Turkish and who also came on the trip with me, for me I have no issues having any people as close friends.. So I did visit and I enjoyued myself, the problem you refer to is your own making, we can talk anytime as I have no hangups about that Happy New Year & Peacefull 2013 to you and your family
Our Hemsinli sister is upset at you.... I have never been to Turkey, I hope one day to go, each nation has its challenges and issues especially with our people, and Turkey is no different, but as I have said before, in Iran Armenians are treated with much respect, and from what I read in Turkey its the opposite. Turks are very proud and being a Turk is everything to them, I have many Turkmen friends ...
I am teaching my kids Farsi and English, I speak to them at home in mu liizu, and yes It is an old Armenian dialect. Our Hemsinli sister is upset at you?? Ichuu? I grew up in Iran, so there was never any "issues " with Armenians, the biggest cotton farmers in Gorgan region were Armenians,. My grandfather never denied his roots, actualy he was the driving force to make sure we all knew we were Hemshenzi Armenians even though Muslims, He told us stories about his experiances, very sad..
Es hartseh irents hamar shad shad djvareheh, srants hokin meh vaxaha desats tourkerhi tserki dak vor minchev asor chen mortsats, es vaxaeh yes desam Hopaoom, henc vor imatsin vor Hayem lizenounerein koxpavav, baic me kani hoki indzi lourj asin vor der him al vax ounin tourki handept.. Karmir Xalin der prevatsah teh Tevit dakenah Axperes..
Well thats how we say it.. tourshin segnin is same as trshn segan I know what tourshi is we eat it with all our lunch and dinners. Segan is same its table..
yes you will be on opposite side, to us there is no sides. We accept all people of Hamshen Muslim & Christians from everywhere as our peopel. If you dont believe me go to Yerevan, or Abkhazia, or Sochi they all come and only speak Armenian. Hamshen musicians from Turkey are hired to play in Hamshen functions in Abkhazia, Ruissia and they are so happy and proud to be amongst their people. So my friend stay on your side, and forever know deep down that turkey will always call all Hemsinli Ermeni
Hahah OK, well said Touché , but thats how I am raised, to always show respect to our Mothers, Sisters and women in general. But Karoonk I thought meant as Karoonk or Crane in Armenian. A very famous Armenian preist and composr wrote a pies called Karoonk. The Priest/compsore was Komitas, there are a number of Armenian sophraons on YT that sing this song, it is amazing song.. Have a listen
Some of the Armenian that I cleary hear in this Hamshentsi song is as follows: ...hey jahelner lsetsek ban me asem yes dzezi .....yegek ungerner nsdenk mer hoghere hishenk....Trabizon.....Asdvads mezi toor.....azat (or azg) linenk menk.
menk hayenk inch kap ooni hisuse mez hrya hamshene mer azgna jishd aynbes inch mnasas spyurke bedke miavorvel keghdod hryan mezz bajanooma kakem inch yekeghesi vra vor ka
ov vor apruma Turqyaum ha bayc formalno shater@ hishumen iranq hayutyan masin. Rusastani hamshenahayer@(Sochi, Adler, Abkhazia) christonuaen(Haykakan Araqelakan Ekegheci)
Mek marti hed vor xositsih, shad amkoor yev barz hamshesho barbarov ke xhosar, me kich dejavar haskatsieh, baic yes me irents barbareh kehaskanm, engeres im hed inkeh Tourkah Australiaits, yev im morkori deghen vor Vrastanits el mer hed ekav Hopaoom mek mart 50+ handipank hentz vor imatsav menk Hayen mezi jashe heraverav, yev lourj mezi asav vor inkeh iren Hay kegardtzi, engeren el nounen asav.
Petq e haskananq , vor BOLORS HAY ENQ. Mer azgum ka -kin,t2amard,erexa,erajisht,qristonea,vostikan,zinvor,musulman,anhavat,dzknors,arevtrakan,toshakaru...ev ayln.......menq BOLORS HAY ENQ
ok I ask you to be fair at any time.. No bcos what I m or what he is. anyway, yes Kemal Sunal was a great actor. btw where you learned Turkish? From your family or in soviets?.
henc eta duq patkeracreq ete esorva hay hrajarvuma ira hayutunic to inch xosk ka Trabzoni komeri hamsheneri. Esorva drutyamb iranq iranc hay chen hamarum Ov vor iran artyok hamaruma hay ira kron poxuma darnuma christonia.
shall I ask you one thing, what you actually get from your hate. Whats the benefit or whatever makes you to push it that much. You raise your kids with hate.. in return what you get: NOTHING..
ArmoGeorgian,you're replying personally and Im replying general overview.You and I know that we and you as gruop always be on opposite side and sorry but you as armenians have strict border than us .Its ok be as you are,we dont care cos we dont have any aim to be close friend.But I wish at least we could manage to talk.So far its not possible.Yes I'd like to visit all countries incl Armenia but not before we sort out problems.you can visit Turkey anytime:) Anyway happy new year, peace in 2013;)
Salam bachi lagode LOL.. az koja farsi yad griveteh? Na axbar can, asslan naharat nistam.. baleh baleh kharaeh ma kheyli xhob zabaneh ma sohbat mekona.
true , i do acccept that , but they also have to lok back at there history and see there conversion. at the end of the day you can choose what you want to be , Hindu , Buddhist i dont really care, but what makes an Armenian who he is , is his religion, his Church. Armenians cannot live without Christianity,we love our faith and that is why i am telling you, open your Bible read it.. choose your Armenian roots, but the roots of the Armenian is Christianity.
I understand that you care about Turkey, I am not telling you fairy tales, Hamshen musicians and families are regualrly visiting Georgia & Sochi to attend concerts, weddings and cultural groups have set up, I dont know why you think I am lying. There was Hamshen concert in Russia, Muslim Hamshen groups and Christian Hamshen Armenians groups played, over 200 Hamshen from Turkey went to the concert and guess what? They all understood each other and their dialect 100% is same
yes sad sad soyim , ha fedayin sad eronde marte, eronde lagoed al Thats funny, lagode I heard in Tehran university from the Armenians every day, here are the funny ones.. eshi lagode, shan lagode,.. kurik can, I live my life based on the values my family taught me. Tun kezi soy putaaa
no my friend I dont make up things , I m just trying to reflect the situation with neutral or realistic view.If I go on indiviaul/ personal thinking, I have also no problem with anyone , yet my close friend is also Greek and all my close colleagues are Balkenese and we get on so well. Why bcos we have similar mentality and similar culture. I have come across some of your hateful comments to some people , so was it your personal opinion or just genaralizing ??:))
I am raised to respect all human being , maybe thats our differences.. No I have no idea about Komitas or his songs. But the name its not related to crane as in Hemsin crane doesnt exist.
@asala2116 enger, yes asim kezi " I am at peace" I did not say I am at peace with Islam. I am not bothered about my religion and I do not support radical Islam
ahh I’m touched by yr words.how old are you,5-10?Honestly when you start to learn this poem or rhym?Let me explain why you all( Greeks, Bulgars.etc) have anger cos you LOST.That’s not related to psychical pain,its mental.That’s why you stick on your pain and feel it as it happend the day before.You willnt recover till you have proper success.The success isnt that we accept the things you want.You know that and we know also.So no matter whatwe are unfrtunately we will be always on opposite side.
dear Zeegoner, I really appreciated your honest words about your loyality to your lovely Russian masters. But I could not stop myself to ask why your loyal masters did not give a free land but they occupied you more than 80 years and made armenia even poorer. But the agrement was to have your own land after WW1. so what went wrong? anyway you have good ally:)) . keep them even more close ... last time did not work for you but this time might work!!
@asala2116 Do you accept that are Arab Muslims & Christians? or Bosnian Muslims & Christians Well ,you must come to terms that maybe there are Hemsheni like me who now accept Armenian roots, but are Muslim. Himi inc gases enger?
you had tried many times to insult I guess, but as I said I don t care, just care the people who has importance in my life. Yes Karonk is special for me as it is where I m belong , . any meaning for you?
Are you really a Hemshenzi? do you speak our language? If I said to you " incveses kurik can?" Do you understand? For me I understadn this song 99% same as my dialect, If you are a Hemshenzi then you are my sister in blood Dont pay attention to some Armenians, for past 20 years in tehran i made many Armenian friends, and most want me to convert to Christianity, some refused to accept me because I am Muslim. Our enger here Fedayin1915 soy degha. ( good boy)
Turkish will stay with you cos its in you.. There was a time we were friends.. and I still do have hope cos as I told you we are alike, . Your brain resist on that but they say in eevery hate there is at least trace of love.... Deep down you know that but you can not admit:))). Btw I did not get why or what is dangerous? or not paying attention to what?Can you be more clear..
are you teasing me ? I m still pissed about your comments and dont push me to talk the way you are.The day I talk you can get more upset than me so dont!!.. and I dont understand whatever you mean .write in english
whatt !!! where or which of my sentence is insult. Maybe you are extremly sensitive . and I said lagod , you know the meaning is different for us. hope you did not take it as insult ... If you do, then I cant help..
whattt.. I m not insulting you. I just made an analaysis, thats it. come on,why you are scared to tell me , Ok I have a bit of temper but I always try to control.. Now I m more curious and you have to tell me...here or pm, you have to write !! :)
Again you posted without thinking.Lets analyze what he exactly meant:1)Turks not bad eventhough you hate them.2)Armenians hve the potential to be bad ,so be careful about them. And regarding what you said; If Im one of them then you know why I’m bad cos I’m having the genes from you, If I’m good again the same genes :))choose whatever you like.But in the end you have to accept that you've the potential to be bad more thanTurks.so don’t blame us, blame yourself to have the potential;). Cheers!!
Firstly I was not aware you were a girl, otherwise I would not be so harsh with my comments, and for that I apologise. I only realised when I saw Fidayin calling you Kurik. Now I dont want also to sound sexist, but I am no ever in habit of insultung girls/women or talkin harshly to them..
Sovet jamanak 3 000 000 hay kron@ poxel , darel ein ateist,bolshevikneri sri tak....es hamshecinerinel &nshman tak sarqel ein musulman . Ete hamshecin iran HAY hamari du inch iravunq unes iran datapartelu. Krasnadari shrjanum hazaravor qristonea hayer azganunner@ poxum ev hrajarvum en hayutyunic. Dra masin petq e mta*el, voch te "SRANQ INZ INCH HAYRENAKIC".
Georgians are not mostly ant Armenian, mostly azeris from Georgia who pretend they are Georgians, but yes there are some political issues Biggest one is that Armenians in Georgia should learn Georgian Yes kexosim Hayerin yev kichmig Dedais lizun,
pardon, whats the plan? If there is a plan I should know, I m part of this country , but there is no plan.But you think that there is. , while I m assuring you that there is not.. Incredible.. To be honest turks dont care about armenians they way armenians give importance. and dont tell all the time '' dont make me to talk, I cant tell'' etc etc.. If you have soemthing to say , just say it..
:))).eronde hokishemshen eronde. tun inç bese engeres? this is how we say in hemsin dialect. But our dialecti is slightly different than Hopa. Our ehper Fedayin , şat eronde marte ( this is how we say in hemşin ) or eronde lagode.. but as he is not child then marte..:) I dont care about others really. whatever they think or say have no impact in my life . If someone judging your religion then you have to stay away from them. You cant get any good things from the people with block mind.
@asala2116 Lest assume that you are correct, lets just say for arguments sake that we were hundreds of years ago converted by the sword, how does that help me? I feel how I feel and Islam is badly represented by the uneducated radicals. Read history and see how Christians murdered millions in name of Christ (PBUH) how the Crusaders even murdered Orthodox Christians by thousands. I know the history of Hemshen and Armenian roots very well, So my friend do not judge me as I am at peace.
I understood you are trying to speak greek but thats not how they write or speak . they dont call themselves yunaniko , but elleniko .. Yes I prefer english as your turkish is even somehow strange.. I cant imagine your armenian how ts look like but I dont udenrstand so I cant judge.
ahh you are offened bcos I said you have soemthing in you turkish. why thats bothering you. Dont tell me you dont have Turkish friend.. you hate all? Or You dont talk to them ??, childish behaviour. Put whatever you learned aside and see how we; all anatolians are similar ..
armenian boy got killed and many turks was also standing against that and women who has tourtured not bcos they were armenian. thats your problem whenever happens to you you call it a racist attack to you. But Look we are in 15 million city with lots of ethnics and noone cares about armenians or rums or whatever. You are not on the top list to be hated but if you like to feel in this way, do it is free but dont tell me this wrong information.
ahh you are upset about what I said? ..perfect... next time you should think before talking.. do I care what you think/say? Ok lets imagine I m not hemsinli ,my dear poor friend all Hemsinli, not even %99 , all %100 thinking just like me. If you want to check, next time visit Hemsin ,Senoz and Camlıhemsin, ofcourse if you have gut ;).and stop spreading stupid info about us.I dont care about Hopa or Abazia or whatever.just Rize is my part and I have right to talk than any others including you..
to hurt someone you dont need to lower yourself. If you want to do it do it with your brain.This dance for me Kurdish and no relation for armenians. But you cant say all is armenian.You armenians had lived with us long time and for sure the dance is similar to yours. But saying that they had stole our culture is a big word as there is no border for cultures and there is no definite line you can differentiate your culture to ours. Im telling this many times but feel like you dont listen.
I guess you just replied without checking my post. It was notning to do with hemsinli but your alliance with Russians;) Read once again,.. and Yes I m Turk and hemsinli like all my family, do you want to see my ID ? or my father ID or even the Ottoman registration for my family?? ok my child, inç enim , I dotn look for your lovely comments but sometimes I cross by and irressitable not to write anything..the day you stop bulshiting about Turks and Hemsinli,you will not see us.. Its easy!!
Sorry I think your are not Hamshesti, I think even if you are you are so converted that the memory of your ancestors was long time ago gone. You are a Turk in name and nature and I say it without hate, but I think your intentions here are to spread misinformation about the Hamshen people From every comment youve made in YT, the theme is common and very obvious. anyhow, I think we have both said enough and stated our positions
Whats to bullshit? Wev were the ones almost destroyed as a nation, we lost our lands to turks, our churches and hoimes destroyed and confiscated. If we are busll shitting, so are the Greeks, Assyrians, Arabs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbians, we are all bullshiting. Look at you , deep down you know you are Armenian, sirdeit mech dun shad shad gides du oves, we have no hate for our Hamshen people in Turkey, listen to this somg and enjoy it because it is your mother tongue.
