Hand Plane Basics | DIY High Angle Blade

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Hand Plane Basics - DIY High Angle Blade. In this video Rob Cosman shows you how to make your own high angle plane blade to deal with those difficult figured wood situations
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@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

If you liked this check out our related video "How to Prevent Tear-Out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dWObHqHRMas.html

@bakerzermatt 11 месяцев назад

In continental Europe, all traditional smoothing planes use a higher angle, typically 49-50°. In German they're called a 'Putzhobel' (literally a 'cleaning plane'). There's also a version called a 'Reformhobel' or 'Reformputzhobel' that also has an adjustable mouth, so between the higher angle, tight mouth, and a properly set chip breaker, you can avoid almost all tear out (with the obvious condition that it's sharp).

@stevebettany8778 2 года назад

Thank you for this I can’t believe the success I’ve had using a blade that was about to go in the bin now it’s been altered to your specifications.

@watermain48 2 года назад

Great demonstration Rob, thanks.

@bobsmith3790 2 года назад

From pretty much I the beginning of my woodworking journey you’ve always been the best resource for doing things the very best way. A long time ago I did you online workshop building a bench. Unfortunately I never got to finish it. But I use what I was able to build. I’ll admit though I’m always jealous of that vice! Thanks for your wisdom, Rob!

@MrAtfenn 2 года назад

i wish i had seen a vid like this or specificaly your diagram about a year ago. i eventually figured it out myself but that picture would have made all of the difference in my methodology. thanks again for all you and the team do. so glad to see PHP able to have classes again and i loved the live stream with the vets

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Glad it helped

@davidcampbell2845 2 года назад

Thanks, excellent instruction! Gonna make me one of these!

@Tet-andr-teT 2 года назад

Thanks for the great idea.

@sixstarauto 2 года назад

Great taking to you today, thanks for the call, it made my day.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Its the way we roll....

@deezynar 2 года назад

Great advice.

@jorgearnau9385 Год назад

Just tried it out today, my God... It works beautifully. And I forgot to move the frog forward. I'll always use this method for figured wood, I also tried it with a piece with interlocked grain that was bothering me since yesterday. Now it is as smooth as the rest of the board.... Mr. Cosman, you are a great teacher.

@zidnyknight3611 2 года назад

thank you

@fredpierce6097 11 месяцев назад

It was good to watch you actually make the shavings so I could see the increased pushing effort which was considerable…… otherwise I would have doubted my own experience…..

@briantheprion 2 года назад

Never thought I’d live to see the day where Rob uses a sharpening jig 😜. Love your content man!

@Danny-ul4sq 2 года назад

I took notice of that.

@generationswoodcraft 2 года назад

I was like “hey I got one of those” lol. But he went back to freehand to resharpen.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

I guess we should have edited that part out !!!!!!!!!!

@lincolndickerson1293 Год назад

I like the idea of having 1 hand plane with multiple blades. Sometimes length or width matters, other times the shape or angle is what makes the difference.

@Danny-ul4sq 2 года назад

Great video. I tried this after watching an earlier video of yours. I now have 2 blades for each of my go-to planes (a 6 and a block plane).

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Glad it helped

@brianmiller6304 2 года назад

Love the chart. The more visual aids the better for me. Good one.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

thanks for the feedback. Luther made the chart

@lynxg4641 Год назад

Rob, had come across you when you and James did the saw for the PHP, but at the time your precision seemed to be too much and too in depth for me and sadly with the whole pandemic thing, the interest in wood work faded because of the crazy increase in wood prices. Just recently decided to try again and remembered you, did a look and found your channel and so, so glad I did. Not sure if it was just the pandemic coupled with other life stresses that deterred me before, but in the last week or so since I started following and watching you, I've seen my mistakes I was struggling with and learned so much. I have a bunch of old purple heart I was given from a pergola that didn't withstand the hurricane that hit us in 2021 and have not used it after initial tests because of how hard it is, how quickly it dulls blades and how badly the grain direction switches, but now I feel fully armed, ready and looking forward to making stuff using the PH. Just wanted to say a big thanks, wood work is my therapy since breaking my knee and loosing most of my work due to covid, thanks for making it fun again. Can't wait until I can afford a new 5.5 plane, but in the mean time I'll be making the cheap old No.4s work following your teachings.

@jeffw2055 2 года назад

Great Video Rob. I've been doing this for years with one of my standard Stanley planes dedicated as a high angle plane. about a year ago I got a "low angle" jack plane that I love because I can have a dedicated blade for it that is set up with a high angle without having to put a second bevel on the opposite side of the plane.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting

@TheTechRep1 2 года назад

Hi Rob I bought one of these blades from you and it definitely gets a finish on figured wood I would not have gotten otherwise. I would not want to use it a lot because of the effort required but I consider it a must have tool.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

I agree. Thanks for the purchase

@robertbamford8266 2 года назад

Interesting technique to set the blade protrusion in the jig. Thanks for the video.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@criswilson1140 2 года назад

Looks like I'll be buying a plane iron to modify and try this technique. Thanks for that diagram showing the angles.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Glad you liked it, wasnt sure whether or not to add that

@briantheprion 2 года назад

Rob for your next video can you do some reviews including tips and tricks for sharpening and or creating a burr for your scraper planes including the lie Nielsen 112 and the cabinet scraping plane? I know they prob don’t get as much use vs your 5 1/2 but would be cool to see your thoughts on it! Cheers!

@usaf4dbt 2 года назад

Thank you.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

You're welcome!

@sergeyermakov5971 2 года назад

Hello Rob, thank you for a nice video, as always. In one of your future videos could you please talk about when and how to use scraping planes. I just got Veritas scraping plane (item 05P2901) from Lee Valley Tools as a present, not sure how to tune it and what is the best application for such a plane. Thank you in advance.

@felipehuibonhoa7338 2 года назад

Thank you. I have always wondered about how to sharpen it again and what to do with the back bevel.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Happy to help!

@snakeplisken2123 Год назад

Low angel planes are basically the American version of a bevel down Asian plane. Sharpen a low angle bevel up plane at 35° and you will have a 47° plane. HNT Gordon planes work so well because the two options are high angle and scraping. The closer you get to scraping the thinner the cut.

@donesry2902 2 года назад

Thanks for this video. BTW - your website says that you are sold out of these blade sets. Question: what about putting the chip breaker on cutting an edge on the blade so that it matches the chip breaker? this seems like extra work up front but could be better going forward as the edges of the blade and chip breaker would be one fat edge and in theory the chip breaker would never need to be polished again.

@sapperDon 2 года назад

complete shock Rob owns a sharpening jig !!!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Borrowed it!

@danthechippie4439 2 года назад

Nice video Rob. If you paint the edge with a sharpy marker you can easily see where you are touching the stone and where you are not

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Dang I should have said that on the video. Great comment

@Ammed_KN6STX 2 года назад

Great video Rob. That piece of Figured Bastogne Walnut looks really familiar!!!😉

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

I got it from some bozo in california!

@Ammed_KN6STX 2 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking That’s Mr. Bozo, thank you very much!!!!🤡😂

@Borescoped 2 года назад

I recently thought I would need a HA blade for some Zebrawood and Purpleheart, but I managed to get both types of wood to a reflective surface with just a really good sharpening and really tightening down the throat on my WR 5-1/2. Still would like to try out one of those pre-ground HA’s your crew sells, just to see what it would be like. Good video Rob and crew!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Sharpblade smal projection works almost everytime

@bertrodriguez3087 2 года назад

Yes. Some of that Purpleheart is difficult to plane, especially when you have several boards glued together and the grains don't match up great. The end grain is challenging. I like to see good videos like this on real case scenarios, not just a bunch of pine or firs or oaks.

@kazinix 2 года назад

I'm curious if the back bevel can replace the purpose of the chip breaker. I watched a Japanese experiment with the chip breaker, if I remeber it correctly, the chip bcreaker's setup is 60° and 80°, and that's on top of the 45° blade! It was amazing to see chip breaker in action with that zoomed in video.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Yes that Japaneese video is very interesting. What it is really showing is that with a small projecting is you can move the chipbreaker closer to the cutting edge to help prevent tear out. We know that you dont need a chipbreaker beacuse Low Angle planes dont have them, however, on most all standard angle planes the chip breaker is neccessary to adjust the blade.

@jhcampbell7528 2 года назад

Thank you for a very helpful video. Would you consider doing a video where you joint boards for a panel glue-up? I don't own a power jointer, but I needed to do this a few weeks ago. It went...poorly. If you have already made that video, my apologies.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

We have already done that video Here is the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tD1gSAYMTYQ.html

@jhcampbell7528 2 года назад

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thank you for the response.

@generationswoodcraft 2 года назад

I wonder for the actual planning itself would it be more beneficial to use a 4 or 3 with the smaller base?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

You mean to make the pushing easier, it probably would be an easier stroke with a 4 or 3 but you would have to do a lot more strokes so its probably a wash

@rbeachy206 5 месяцев назад

I'd like to know what Rob did after he started planing and the camera flipped. The first few passes looked like me struggling to get through a stroke, but then the camera flipped and suddenly he was getting full shavings with full length strokes. For a brief moment he looked like an ordinary woodworker, but then suddenly back to being a wood whisperer.

@irondiver292 2 года назад

I literally thought you should do this video

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Yes we sensed that so we did it !!!!!! Thanks for sending use your thoughts

@1320crusier 2 года назад

Would a scraper iron also be useful for this and even a bit easier to push through or would that only add its own list of complications?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Scrapers have their place for difficult tear out situation, but if you can solve with a HA blade you will get a smoother surface than a scraper will give you

@danielbraca6180 2 года назад

I suppose this comes down to where you want to spend your time and money. You're either going to buy a quality grinder that will provide you consistent results along with additional plane blades, or you're going to buy a completely separate dedicated plane with a high angle frog, or a high angle frog to swap out in your planes. I don't have a grinder, so I purchased a high angle frog with one of the planes I purchased from Lie Nielsen and have it in my 5-1/2 but can swap it out as necessary. Great video, though, and I'll remember this if I do eventually purchase a grinder and have additional blades to grind per your recommendations.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Actually you can use just about any old (used) 8 inch grinder, but you do need a good tool rest and a good wheel

@Reussirful 2 года назад

Can the 20deg back bevel be done entirely w/ the honing guide on the 300grit diamond stone? I don't have access to a grinder, but am about to flatten my bench and saw you used a high-angle for that project. Thanks Rob!

@briantheprion 2 года назад

Yes absolutely that can be done. You only need a narrow strip: maybe a 1/16 inch since really with what this plane blade is designed to do is to take light shavings. Thus you only need a thin strip. the plus side is it won’t take long to do to prepare it and you could prob go 300,1000, 6000 to 16000

@JW77 2 года назад

Will it be easier to push if you reduce the angle of the primary bevel on the underside? With 25 to 30 degree on the underside and extra 20 degree on the back, it's a 45 to 50 degree blade and that's almost dull.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

In a bevel down plane, the primary bevel has no direct effect on cutting angle as long as it does not exceed the angle of attack (45). The closer it gets to 45, the more support behind the cutting edge , still, no effect on the cutting performance.

@FraserJohn118 2 года назад

Hi Rob, can I just ask why you are not using the Trend 1000 diamond stone anymore???

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Quality issues.

@danthechippie4439 2 года назад

Hi Rob, I initially thought you ment to change the original primary bevel to a higher angle but now I see that you are putting a new angle on the BACK of the blade. So does that mean you can't use the ruler trick?

@ricos1497 2 года назад

It means that you don't need to use the ruler trick. I think Rob mentions it near the start, but the ruler trick does exactly the same thing as this process - it creates a back bevel. It's just that with the ruler you're creating a really small back bevel that has no recognisable effect on the original bevel.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

What Rico S just said

@pryo7809 Год назад

The results of this are unbelievable. Thanks you, sir. Question. I am noticing that I don’t have as much room to close the throat (by adjusting the frog forward) when you back up the chip breaker a 16th or so, as you have to do in order to get it lined up behind the back bevel. Am I missing something here? Or is this even worth worrying about?

@lilystrong9870 Месяц назад

I faced this issue meself. Before buying a blade dedicated for this task, I simply flipped my blade upside down. Yes, the further away the chip breaker is away from the edge reduces the adjustment knob in one direction. My advice: when grinding the back bevel, less is more. It's only the edge that touches the wood.

@ysfrog5752 2 года назад

Hi Rob. Why do you in America put the planes on the workbench with the chisel on the workbench. Isn't it much better to put the planer on its side? so it stays sharp longer. Greetings Harm from Holland. I was taught this before. 😀👍🏼

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Bench is made of wood, blade is projecting less that .001 out of the mouth. No dulling of the blade occurring .

@ricos1497 2 года назад

I don't own a grinder, but I'm guessing that this could be done reasonably quickly with a file and a jig to get the rough angle? I mean adding another 20 minutes or so to the process. Or would the edge be too delicate to be filing?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

What I would do if you dont have a grinder is get a coarse diamond stone (say a trend 300 / 1000 diamond stone) set up the jeg and using the 300 side apply the bevel, it will take a bit longer but very doable, then flip over and do the 1000 girt side then take it up th egrit levels to 16K. A file wouldn’t touch it, blade is as hard or harder than the file.

@grotto46 2 года назад

Why no more Trend Diamond stone?

@briantheprion 2 года назад

I think the flatness of the shapton glass 1000 when flattened with their lapping plate is better than the trend 1000/300 stone but just marginally.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Brian Le stated it perfectly

@user-dy4xh8rf6w 2 года назад

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@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

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@derekcohen1000 2 года назад

Rob, that is a very wide back bevel. Surely it only needs to be a micro in size - enough to raise a wire on the bevel face? After all, that is how you tell when the face bevel is properly honed. All I have done in the past is use a guide to raise a wire, polish it, and done. No grinding necessary. Regards from Perth, Derek

@Danny-ul4sq 2 года назад

I'm sure Rob has more to say than I but up until seeing this video I only sharpened until I had a very thin back bevel. But I can see that doing it once to 2mm wide will last longer and not need redoing every time I sharpen. Makes sense to me. I'm sure he has further reasons.

@derekcohen1000 2 года назад

If you create a micro back bevel, then it is easy to remove (if you want to do so) by simply sharpening the face bevel. A wide back bevel requires that the blade needs to be reground to remove the back bevel. Regards from Perth, Derek

@mileshember3501 2 года назад

@@derekcohen1000 Ah, Derek Cohen and Rob Cosman on the same page. Now that is a high concentration of useful chaps in one place. I rate Rob's advice very highly - I went for the 16k Shapton based on his recommendation and I really like the results, it took me up a level from the best I could do with even the 3 micron DMT and stropping. It's a joy to plane with a fresh blade off that stone. For anyone who hasn't looked up Derek before, if you do you will find a lot of really good information and testing results - especially on those horrible Aussie woods with grain created to frustrate any plane. Cheers to both of you!

@ricos1497 2 года назад

Would you just use the ruler trick but with a block of a specific size to create the 20degree micro bevel? I'm guessing the only benefit of the larger bevel is that you can retain that dedicated blade, but I'm guessing that would only be useful for folks who planed a lot of figured wood. I planed a couple of beech worktops recently which were butcher block style and were horrendous due to the grain going in random directions with each block and I ended up using a scraper plane, but it's probably the only time I've needed to go beyond just a really sharp blade.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

All....this is NOT the normal Charlesworth ruler trick. That is for your normal everyday plane. We are making a high angle blade here. You CANNOT just regrind the primary bevel in a bevel down plane that WILL NOT change the 45 degree attack angle. to change the attack angle to high angle (55-65) you have to put on a SIGNIFICANT back bevel on th eblade. I do a 20 degree back bevel so the attack angle goes to 65 (45+20=65). You could do a 10 degree backbevel and have a 55 degree blade.

@stevebosun7410 2 года назад

Hi Rob, I know you're not a lover of the "low angle" Jack Plane, but wouldn't that be an easier way to achieve the higher angle? Just grind the blade to your required angle minus 20 degrees.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

Yes, but then I would be stuck using a Low Angle Jack, and that’s worse than having tear out.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 года назад

But with a low angle Jack you’ll still need to grind your blade to be at least a 50° bevel.

@edualbergaria10 2 года назад

I love the video, but i beleave the title and thumbnail are not helping to understanding what the video is about. Mabe something like "how to transform your plane in to a high angle plane". Congrats for your work. And thank you.