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Handloading the SIG P320-XTEN In 10mm 

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In this video we take a close look at the SIG P320-XTEN pistol. We review the pistol, handload for the cartridge and test handloads on the range.

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@davidpool8796
@davidpool8796 2 года назад
I've been shooting, loading and collecting 10mm handguns for over 20 years, glad the rest of ya'll are finally catching up 😉. I'm thrilled that there are so many new 10mms on the market now...i need to go shopping. I like the fully supported chamber in the sig, had to buy an aftermarket barrel for my other plastic 10mm ! Good info, thanks. BTW, i was at sig freedom days at Ben Avery as well, had a great time and got to shoot all the Sig firearms i wanted and to be honest, i had the most fun with the sig airsoft guns
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I am working on it slowly but it's steady! I have a Colt Delta Elite and I really like that handgun as well but I must admit this one really impressed me! I am thrilled as well it is really nice to see that the cartridge is making a comeback. I agree the fully supported chamber is really nice to see, I know exactly what you are talking about! Glad to hear you enjoyed the video and found it informative. The feedback is always appreciated! That is really cool it's too bad we didn't run into each other while there! That was a great day and I was impressed with how well run the entire event was. I think a lot of folks had a great time! --Jeremiah
@tommycoe1043
@tommycoe1043 2 года назад
Been a 10mm fan since the 80s. Actually bought a Bren 10, but sadly traded it in on a Delta Elite, which suffered two cracked frames from the really hot loads back then. After Colt replaced the frame twice, I loaded light loads in it until I got a Glock 20 and replaced the barrel with a KKM fully supported chamber. I have added a Glock 40 and a Kimber to my collection of 10mm handguns, and a 10mm carbine. I consider it a great round when loaded to the velocities it was originally intended to be.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I have been a big fan of the 10mm, I think it's a great cartridge and capable of some impressive performance! The new Delta seems to be much better I have about 1K rounds through my current one and about 75% of those have been full power 10mm. I have heard of that happening though but never actually talked to someone who had it happen. The fully supported chamber is very nice, I was happy to see the SIG has a fully supported chamber. I agree in full when loaded to 1,200 to 1,350 FPS depending on bullet weight the performance is outstanding! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@troyspurling1910
@troyspurling1910 Год назад
Good video Sir! I just bought the X-10. It's my 4th 10mm. I'm a fan
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I am a big fan of the 10mm as well, I have another 10mm already in the works but it will be some time before that is posted. It'll be on the Smith and Wesson though so keep an eye out for that in the next few months. Thanks for watching and for the kind words! --Jeremiah
@davidhague7184
@davidhague7184 2 года назад
I see my favorite 10mm powders on the table Longshot and AA#9.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Those have always given me good results as well it is always nice to know others have had the same experience! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@rj4590
@rj4590 2 года назад
Iv'e had an S&W mod. 1006 for thirty one years.It's a beefy all stainless steel gun that takes the warmest loads.Long Shot,800X,Power Pistol and Unique are the propellants I generally have used.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I would love to own one of those one day I think those are really cool guns! Thanks for sharing your experience and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@bjcoveney5306
@bjcoveney5306 2 года назад
I found for the Kimber, #9 200gr.about1350 works great!!
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I do like No. 9 in the 10mm auto, It is one of my favorite powders! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@VitoBb1978
@VitoBb1978 2 года назад
Jeremiah as always I’ve enjoyed the cartridge’s that you have reviewed, I’ve own 2 10MM’s and truly enjoyed handloading for them. The 40S&W did not come from the 10MM, the 40 S&W is it’s own cartridge, Winchester came up with the idea and the FBI ran with it. Now the big difference between the two rounds is the 10MM is a straight sided case, were the 40 S&W has a internal tapper, that’s what the heaviest bullet weight it could handle was the 180 bullet. We’re the 10MM could handle a 200 Gr bullet and drive it up 1200 + FPS. Keep up the outstanding work 👍🏾
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it the feedback is always appreciated!! Hmm now I am questioning myself, it was my understanding that the parent case of the .40 S&W was the 10mm Auto. I thought it was a joint venture between Winchester and S&W and Robert Klunk was the driving force behind it. I know the two cartridges are slightly different in regards to taper. I will have to do some more research in regards to that. I know the chamber dimensions are of course different. I will have to do some more research on that subject and check a few more sources on that subject. I need to do something on the .357 SIG and .40 S&W as well at some point. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment it is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
@VitoBb1978
@VitoBb1978 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV don’t feel bad a lot of people believe that the 40 S&W came from to 10MM, the only things they have in common is the diameter of the bullets and the weight of the bullets. Even the primer size is different. Over the years I’ve really enjoyed handloading both of them.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@VitoBb1978 So I did a little digging about the history of the .40 S&W and I came across a lot of very interesting articles on both the .40 G&A (Guns & Ammo) the 10mm and the .40 S&W. It seems that the history depends upon who you ask to some extent. No doubt Jeff cooper played a major roll in the creation of the .40 S&W along with George Nonte in 1965, with his wildcat based on the .41 magnum. As far as the actual development of the cartridge it's quite interesting most people describe it as a shortened 10mm with a small primer pocket. It certainly is not as cut and dry as I thought it would be. I appreciate your comment because it made me dig a little deeper and I learned something, that is the most important thing. I will continue to research this subject, SAAMI did not approve it until after the Smith & Wesson and Winchester collaboration. They essentially took what was already done and standardized it in a SAAMI approved cartridge. You are correct though the .40 S&W was certainly around as a wildcat before then. Something I will have to clarify when I get around to doing a video on my .40 S&W. I appreciate the heads up and getting me to do my research and look into the fascinating history of the .40 S&W. That is what we are all about, learning and informing others, It just goes to show that I too still have a lot to learn. Thanks again! --Jeremiah
@bustabass9025
@bustabass9025 Год назад
@@HandloaderTV Appreciate the graceful manner in which you handled that contradiction. I think some people are more interested in social media hair splitting, than they are encouraging and supporting the efforts of a fine, well presented channel like yours, semantics notwithstanding. Which, I would argue is what that was all about. Excellent review! Incidentally, I finally found an XTEN at MSRP. Going to start with your video as a beginning point for handloads, and go from there! 👍🏿
@Majeskty
@Majeskty Год назад
Second video watching your presentation, you do a very nice job discussing the topic’s. Your discussions are to the point and precise and little fluff or wasted words. I watched your Accurate #7 powder video which referred me to this one, since I was looking for powder load discussions of my M&P 2.0 10mm purchase. I currently use Accurate #7 for 9mm and Winchester Super Target for both 45 ACP and 40 S&W and wanted to maybe stick with powder I current use for other pistol reloads. Thanks you!! Keep in the ten ring! (Yes stealing Jim Scoutten closing verbiage, it works)
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Thank you for the kind words and feedback we are always trying to improve our presentations. We try to keep things to the point and precise and showcase the results exactly as we get them sadly that takes up a lot of time but it's worth it to show exactly what the gun is capable of and doing. We do have plans in the works to cover the M&P 2.0 10mm we have one sitting here in the office but I am not sure when we'll find the time to get around to it. Accurate No. 7 is a great powder for use in a wide array of applications including medium power 10mm loads. Thank you for watching and commenting! Good shooting to you and happy handloading! --Jeremiah
@wadelandeche8632
@wadelandeche8632 Год назад
NORMA's first run of ammo to Dornaus & Dixon was 200 FMJ at 1265 fps which was hotter than expected! However the NORMA ammo was down loaded shortly afterwards. The ammo then became 200 grain FMJ loaded at 1180 fps and 170 JHP at 1300 fps. Todays loaders can equal those numbers with good powders today!
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Indeed some factory ammo is even able to exceed those velocities slightly thanks to powder advancements and better quality control. It is impressive what the 10mm can do when it is loaded to it's full potential. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@Dennis.Duncan
@Dennis.Duncan Год назад
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@e115x525
@e115x525 Год назад
People forget that Sig has had the p220 in 10 for a few years now. Everyone says the 320 is the first 10mm Sig
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Certainly not the first but certainly new at the time of this filming. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@74charger44
@74charger44 2 года назад
I learned more about the crimp and the flaring process and will apply that my loads.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Oh good I try to always add something to these videos especially if it is a cartridge I have already talked about before! The feedback is greatly appreciated, if you get around to testing that crimp and flaring process let us know how it works for you and if it lowers your ES and SD! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@slimfire5475
@slimfire5475 2 года назад
Another great video testing some nice handloads. I have the Sig P320 X five Legion in 9mm with a Sig red dot and its a good shooter and a awesome hand gun. Thanks for the video Jeremiah, Slim.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Thank you very much for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! I have a P320 X five in 9mm as well and I have been impressed with the accuracy and performance as well. Thank you for the continued support it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
@slimfire5475
@slimfire5475 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV Your welcome Jeremiah and I really enjoy your channal.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@slimfire5475 Glad to hear that we do our best!! The kind words and continued support is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
@donaldslayton2769
@donaldslayton2769 11 месяцев назад
I'm still sad that 800x was discontinued. I'm on my last lb of it and looking for its replacement
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 10 месяцев назад
It is a shame 800x was a fantastic powder in the 10mm Auto, I have had good results with Accurate No. 9 and have been using that quite a bit in the 10mm. We are actually currently working on a propellant profiles video on accurate No. 9 but it will probably be some time before that is finished up and posted. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@lawrencehudson9939
@lawrencehudson9939 2 года назад
John Browning and Colt had experimented with a 10 MM round in the years of development of the model 1905 which lead up to the development of the 1911. I believe the case was slightly shorter than the modern 10 MM cartridge case but the overall case length was similar. The idea was to replicate the performance of the 38-40 Winchester round however the U.S. Army wanted a 45 caliber round so that is where development focused. Colt had tried to also market the 10 MM round to governments in the Balkans by did not receive any interest so development stopped.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I think I have heard stories of such things but never actually took the time to do any research or look deeper into the subject. That all sounds very interesting though and perhaps I should do some more digging. It honestly makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment and share that interesting bit of info! --Jeremiah
@charlesmullins3238
@charlesmullins3238 Год назад
I’ve been interested in the 9x28 Dillion Jeremiah…hope you delve into one sometime..of course the 7.5fk is a handgunners wet dream…
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I had a guy at SHOT Show offer me an article on 7.5FK we'll see if that ever comes to light I certainly hope so because it is interesting. If there is enough interest I am willing to cover just about anything. Sadly at this point it is simply a matter of finding time to cover all these different things. We appreciate the support and taking the time to share your thoughts though it's how we know what folks want covered! --Jeremiah
@GRichGdontcareaboutfeelings
Thank you this is a really good informative video
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
You are very welcome, thank you for the kind words and taking the time to comment. -Jeremiah
@nsob8897
@nsob8897 Год назад
I'm a fan of 10mm. I bought a 1911 frame in 10mm shortly before the x10 came out and now I'm kind of wishing I'd gotten the x10. Now I have no problems with my pistol, it shoots extremely well. And that sweet single action has smoothed out to where it's gettin into scary trigger territory. I just wish I could jam more rounds into a mag because damn they're fun to shoot.. But either way, I guess i can always have both if I want to.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I am too, I plan to cover the Smith and Wesson M&P in 10mm next, I have a 1911 in 10mm as well and I have since switched over to the X10 for field carry and use while hunting. I do like the M&Ps as well, I'd love to get my hands on the FN 10mm as well. That is once limiting factor with the 1911 is capacity but they are a whole lot of fun and the cartridge performance is quite impressive! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts and experience I feel it adds a lot of value to the comments section. --Jeremiah
@creigmacc
@creigmacc 2 года назад
I've found when using heavier loads, typically over 200gr, it's impossible to load 15+1. Just not enough room in the mag to allow insertion with the slide forward. Not an issue with typical FMJ range loads.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Hmm that is very interesting, that is something I have not thoroughly tested yet I did run quite a bit of 200 grain bullets through this firearm without any issues that I can recall even with full magazines but I will have to investigate that further. Thank you for the heads up I greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
@ShastaBean
@ShastaBean 5 месяцев назад
28:30 - Very interesting about the Power Pistol being so much lower than expected. Did you ever figure out with certainty why? Good stuff! & that shooting rest is awesome!!
@DanielFrankHoffman
@DanielFrankHoffman 2 года назад
Great video as always!
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it thank you for the continued support we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
@jeffreylocke8808
@jeffreylocke8808 2 года назад
I own a M&P 2.0 10mm with a 4.625 inch barrel and no safety lever. Holosun 508T solar power backup red dot in a C&H Precision aluminum mounting plate and stainless steel screws to attach to the optic plate. Apex flat aluminum trigger and Floyds Custom Shop one round aluminum base addition to my two 15 round factory magazines. Love mine
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
We actually had two of those come in the office today I don't think they are the 4.625" barreled model though. They look super sweet though and I am dying to take those out and do some testing with them. Sounds like you have a sweet setup that is pretty much what I would want to do if I got one just based on handling this one. We'll have a video out eventually! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your setup! --Jeremiah
@bustabass9025
@bustabass9025 2 года назад
Wow! How timely is this. I've got my eye on a 10mm as my next handgun addition. Only problem is, until now, I was pretty much sold on the new S&W. So many guns...so little time; and money! 🤔
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
your timing in mentioning the S&W is impeccable we literally got 2 of them in today and we will be testing them in the distant future it may be a little while so were not covering the 10mm Auto back to back but it is in the works. I am just waiting on powder to come in and replenish my depleted stock from this video and then i'll be loading more up. I really like the S&W from handling it today but I will know a lot more once I get time behind the gun. Thank the camera guy as he is the one that bought it and is letting us film his personal firearm. I feel your pain though I always want to buy them all but sadly that raise has not come through yet nor do I think it would be sufficient for my tastes! As they say Whiskey tastes on a beer budget! At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@bustabass9025
@bustabass9025 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV I can wait. Maybe by the time you get around to it, the gouge-'em-while-we-can gun hustlers will have come down to something remotely close to MSRP...I can only hope! 😕
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@bustabass9025 That would be really nice prices on everything these days are just crazy. I certainly hope things start to come down soon! --Jeremiah
@JSmith-ou3sk
@JSmith-ou3sk Год назад
I've seen problems reported on mag issues with the follower catching and a full mag (15 rounds) is difficult to insert as well as super difficult manually racking that first round. I tested mine and the slide scrapped the case. Seems there is a tolerance issue. The ammo was barnes
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I will say on mine with 15 rounds loaded into the magazine, the mag is pretty hard to insert and it feel like there is some drag when working the slide but no noticeable wear on the case when feeding other than normal scratches from feeding into the chamber. There could be a tolerance issue, I was using handloads from the same lot that was used in this video. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@damon323
@damon323 10 месяцев назад
I had a follower on one of the two mags catch when I first shot it. Never happened again after. Hope it stays that way
@skydiver4959
@skydiver4959 Год назад
That's a beautiful reloading room. Mine is on my dining table in my dining room. Since I'm not married and have no children, it's not a problem.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Thank you very much, it doubles as our video and photo studio here at work but many rounds have been loaded in there. I also load quite a bit at the range as well and that setup is much messier than the clean bench you see here in the video. However I too have loaded at the kitchen table as well and around a campfire with a Lyman 310 tool! It is a great hobby and if you enjoy it you find places to do it and make it work. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@southfork67
@southfork67 Год назад
Great video. I have one of these on the way. The 1”+ groups at 15 yards are fairly concerning to me. I’ve never used a ransom rest but can achieve better groups off a bag with pretty much any full size handgun than you got there. My Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB and Kodiak will print 1” groups at 25yds off a bag. You’re using my go-to load of 8.8gr of Longshot under a 180. Great load! I hope I can get better accuracy than I saw here when my X-Ten arrives. Curious as to the condition of the brass after your load testing.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Thank you very much for the kind words and the feedback! We do our best to showcase the results exactly as we get them and we show the flyers if they appear. I will say that in my experience the group size does not open up much from 15 to 25 yards if conditions are good. I was expecting a little bit better accuracy from the X-Ten and I do think some of the loads would be at or under 1" at 25 yards but overall I would expect most of the loads to be around 1.25-1.50 at 25 yards based off further testing that was conducted after the video was completed. Perhaps in the future if enough folks are interested we could do some long range testing of handguns at 25, 50 and perhaps even 100 yards. I think that would be interesting. The big problem we run into is that conditions start to effect handgun bullets at those further distances. The brass was all in good shape, no loose primer pockets or anything of that nature but I was using brand new unfired brass. That particular lot has 3 loadings on it so far with no issues though. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@grantdonley4014
@grantdonley4014 10 месяцев назад
Original Norma Loading was for a 200gr bullet at 1200fps.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 9 месяцев назад
That is true, they technically released three loadings I am sure what order though, I know that was one of them along with the one mentioned in the video. I also believe there was a 170 grain loading at about 1,300 FPS as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@jordandewitt2675
@jordandewitt2675 2 года назад
Seems that I need to invest in a nice 10mm.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I am a big fan of the 10mm Auto, I think it is a good cartridge and it really seems to be making a comeback especially lately. We have more videos planned on handguns chambered in 10mm Auto so keep an eye out for those! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@SDMacMan
@SDMacMan 2 года назад
I don't get why your channel doesn't have more subscribers, while some clown channels I wont name here (**** ranch) has millions. That's the world we live in unfortunately.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I greatly appreciate the kind words, we are information driven and not entertainment driven. We provide the facts and present the results exactly as we get them, that seems to ruffle some feathers at times. We appreciate all of our viewers though especially those that share the videos and comment it is greatly appreciated and every little bit helps us grow. --Jeremiah
@rj4590
@rj4590 2 года назад
There are those out there that just want to see things get blown up and guns go bang,and shiny objects.As an instructor and range officer (nice retirement job)I’ve had to deal with a few internet gun “experts “.Handloader would be way over their heads .
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@rj4590 Indeed there is a lot of that out there, perhaps we could add some of that into our fun shooting, after all we want to educate and provide good information to as many folks as possible. I am sure you have a lot of stories on that matter. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@j06wilson
@j06wilson 2 года назад
If you gone half way call someone out, you might as well fully call them out lol
@toshmiller5571
@toshmiller5571 Год назад
People seek entertainment over knowledge unfortunately.
@Soravia
@Soravia 2 года назад
X-800 is a good powder for 10mm.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I agree I have tried it in 10mm with good results sadly that powder just did not make the lineup for this video. Thank you for sharing that bit of info and taking the time to watch! --Jeremiah
@ScreamingReels4365
@ScreamingReels4365 2 года назад
I just ordered a xten a week ago, hopefully it arrives faster than a suppressor approval. How was the case ejection? My Sig1911 10 mm will throw brass into the next county, wondering if this will be the same.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
That is awesome I don't think you will be disappointed, I was pretty happy with the performance of this one. Hopefully yours comes in quickly! The case ejection was not bad it can be erratic depending on your loads it can vary it greatly with hot loads it still sends the brass flying but not as bad as my .30 Tokarev or 5.7x28 firearms. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@nebelwerfer199
@nebelwerfer199 2 года назад
Never had a 10mm but it always intrigued me. Is W231 powder a possibility for this round?
@hawkeyeted
@hawkeyeted 2 года назад
No. It's way too fast. Alliant Blue Dot and Hodgdon Longshot are excellent, though.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Nebelwerfer and Theodore Barkley, Thank you both for taking the time to watch and comment I greatly appreciate it. I don't mean to ruffle any feathers but W-231 is actually quite usable in the 10mm Auto it will not offer the highest velocity but it certainly will work and offer good functionality as well. I have tried it and used it with a wide range of bullet weights. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@nebelwerfer199
@nebelwerfer199 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV Thanks Jeremiah. I was at range today and thinking of your channel while shooting my old Milsurps with my reloads!
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@nebelwerfer199 Well I appreciate the good thoughts, I do love those old Milsurp rifles, one day i'll do some more load development type stuff with them! --Jeremiah
@hawkeyeted
@hawkeyeted 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV You are correct. I should have probably qualified my comment by saying if you're just looking for a 10mm target round, W321 is functional. If you're looking to replicate anything close to the Norma 10mm round, you'll need something slower, with BD, Longshot, and even AA#7 or #9.
@JCunningham21
@JCunningham21 Год назад
200g HST factory loads will not load in my XTen mags. Buffalo Bore 180g 21b loads fine.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Really? that is interesting, I have noticed that some of my ammo is very difficult to load but I have not had any issues other than that but I have also not tried the 200gr HST loads so i'll have to see if I can get my hands on some and put it to the test. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share that with us! --Jeremiah
@TomKeown
@TomKeown Год назад
I'm not a fan of striker fired pistols for carry. It's a personal thing; I just prefer having a pistol with a hammer for carry. I'm sure the SIG P320 is a good pistol (whereas the P250, at least the one I owned, was not). I am, though, a fan of the 10mm. Mine is Colt Delta Elite, and I must say it's one of my favorite 1911/caliber combinations to shoot (the other being my RIA 1911 in 38 Super). I've reloaded a wide variety of bullets and powders, everything from soft to some pretty hot loads. My go-to powder has been Power Pistol, and I've always had good results from it, so saying yours were under performing was surprising. CFE Pistol is also a good powder I've used for 10mm. Paul Harrell did a great breakdown of the Miami shootout. If anyone is interested in learning about what went wrong during that incident, here's the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iv8cByaVyNQ.html Lastly, thanks again for another great video, Jeremiah. Always informative. Bravo Zulu.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Nothing wrong with that we all have our preferences and I write this with a 1911 currently on my hip ;) although I carry a striker fired gun from time to time as well. I was not a big fan of the P250 either for a few minor reasons but I can be a bit picky at times. I do like the 10mm and sometimes I have to work really hard to not let any of that bias through in the videos. It is a very versatile cartridge, not as much as say .45 Colt but it's up there. I love Power Pistol, and I am not sure what is going on with that lot I used quite a bit on hand and have never had an issue with other lots. It should have produced better velocities than it did. I think it was just a fluke perhaps it got contaminated by moisture or is just plain old. I am not quite sure and I don't have enough of that lot to really do any significant testing sadly. I watched that video it was an excellent break down and highly recommend it to anyone interested as well. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment as always!! --Jeremiah
@bustabass9025
@bustabass9025 Год назад
Soooo, I'm curious as to why you say your P250 was not a good pistol. I own a P250 .45 ACP and I find it to be an excellent pistol for functionality, accuracy, EDC, etc. It's a fine addition to my collection and compliments my only other Sig, the recently added P320 X-TEN.
@TomKeown
@TomKeown Год назад
@@bustabass9025 The one I (briefly) owned was nothing but trouble. Mine was chambered in 40S&W, I'll say. It jammed constantly, even using several magazines and multiple ammo types. And it had the annoying habit of dropping the slide when seating a magazine (sometimes chambering a round, something not). When it ran, it ran well. But a duty pistol that was only 25% reliable and had that weird habit of dropping the slide was not for me.
@bustabass9025
@bustabass9025 Год назад
@@TomKeown Did you seek help from Sig to identify probable causes for your problems, or for possible corrections?
@TomKeown
@TomKeown Год назад
@@bustabass9025 This happened back in 2014, so I don't remember every detail. I bought the pistol second-hand as a steal ($300). When I first experienced the issues I did some searching about it and do remember being told that the slide jump was "normal" and that I must be seating the magazine too aggressively. But I didn't keep the pistol long. I had lost all confidence in it and within two weeks, sold it. I'm glad your P250 is reliable. Mine, along with many others, was not. I swore off the SIG brand for years afterwards, having been so disappointed with so-called "Swiss engineering". I wouldn't even consider getting another SIG. But in 2018 I bought a P226 Legion and have had nothing but success with it.
@TheCenturion8404
@TheCenturion8404 Год назад
Have you found any issues with rounds stacking in the magazines? My magazines choke on Speer gold dots and other truncated projectiles at a COAL of 1.26 and 1.25. This isn’t a firearm issue, it’s a magazine issue. In fact my EAA witness stock III in 10mm magazines fit in the magazine well just fine. This was a huge disappointment. After 10 or so rounds in the mag the rounds get cockeyed throughout the whole stack. So I don’t think your issues came from spring rates or strength. I’m interested to hear your feed back
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
I have not experienced those issues personally, I did test some 180 grain Speer Gold Dots and didn't have any issues. I currently have been running the Nosler JHP a lot and the Swift A-Frame without any issues thus far... Perhaps I need to conduct some more testing, I carry this gun out in the field a lot with me. The issues we had were initially with factory SIG ammo ironically but after a few mags they seemed to feed fine. Now I am very curious though, something I'll be sure to watch for in the future. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@TheCenturion8404
@TheCenturion8404 Год назад
@@HandloaderTV I seriously advise you fully load some magazines check bullet stack alignment and empty it outside of the gun by hand and see if you have a sticking follower
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
@@TheCenturion8404 I have fully loaded magazines sitting in a rig that I run while out coyote hunting, they are loaded with 180 grain Nosler JHPs and I have not had any issues with the follower sticking. I wonder if it's due to their shorter COAL though as they are loaded to about 1.250" if I recall correctly. Thus far I have not experienced any issues but this is also not the first time I have heard of these issues so perhaps I need to experiment with some other ammunition types and see if I can mimic these results. Thanks for letting me know and sharing your experience! --Jeremiah
@TheCenturion8404
@TheCenturion8404 Год назад
@@HandloaderTV yes those will work especially at that COAL and Leigh extreme defense will work at 1.26. Get Speer gold dots and watch the magic happen. I may do a vid here soon on it
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
@@TheCenturion8404 Hmmm interesting in my testing with the Speer Gold dot I didn't have any issues but I was also loading them at 1.250" i'll have to double check that and run through a few of magazines to double check. Thanks for sharing that info with me, I think it adds a lot of value to the comments section! --Jeremiah
@plm3006
@plm3006 2 года назад
Thanks for your proffesional opinion on this subject. This is a popular caliber. I have a question about bullets. The 145 gr 7mm variety. I recently purchased a box of 50 and I always check a few weights and diameters from each box/lot prior to reloading new ammunition. In this box I noticed inconsistant weights on the first few I checked. That promted me to weigh each bullet in this box and I found the low weights to be appropriately 144.7 gr and the high weights to be 146.6 gr. I know my scale is not perfect but has always been very consistant. At what variations would the finished ammunitions reliability as a hunting round be affected by the inconsistant weights, if any? Thanks, Paul
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
You are very welcome, glad to hear you are enjoying the videos and the subjects! That is a great question, Diameter is far more important than weight variation when it comes to accuracy. As far as your weight range that doesn't seem too bad for an average box of bullets, especially if they are not match grade. As far as variations and how it effects accuracy and repeatability, that is a bit of a loaded question. I would say for the most part it does not make a huge difference especially at normal hunting distances. I would say that when you are shooting past 1,000 yards or so then it becomes more important. Generally speaking I do not worry about a minor weight inconsistencies for my hunting ammunition. I used to weigh every bullet and sort them by weight but I stopped doing that pretty quick. I only do that if I am looking to squeeze every little bit of accuracy from my rifle. Hopefully that makes sense and helps you out. if you have any further questions don't hesitate to reach out! --Jeremiah
@mannyca2993
@mannyca2993 2 года назад
No 800x loads? I’ve consistently loaded 135gr nosler JHP with 12 grns of 800x to 1500fps or 180 gr jhp with 10 gr of 800x to 1350fps. These were out of a Glock and a colt DE. No pressure signs and excellent SD loads.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
I know a lot of folks like 800x in the 10mm Auto, I sadly do not have a whole lot of that particular powder on hand so I did not add it to the lineup of powders I tested. I was able to get very good velocity from accurate No. 9 though without any pressure signs. That is probably a powder I should look into adding into the lineup in the next video on 10mm Auto. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your experience! --Jeremiah
@ericward2005
@ericward2005 Год назад
I wonder why the first round is a flyer in this pistol?? Also I missed what range these are shot at?
@southfork67
@southfork67 Год назад
I had to go back and look as well. 15 yards.
@ericward2005
@ericward2005 Год назад
@@southfork67 do you think the first round in getting caught up in the action when dropping the slide and pushing the bullet in slightly causing the flyer situation? Could be easy to test, measure the bullet drop the slide/eject and re-measure same bullet and look for signs of un-normal contact on the cartridge. For hunters this could be a major issue since first round accuracy is your primary focus. Your thoughts?
@southfork67
@southfork67 Год назад
@@ericward2005 No idea. If anything I’d say the slide release dropping the slide is more gentle than the gun firing and reloading. I think maybe his rest may have issues. That accuracy was terrible for the most part. One could blame his hand loads but they were well done with new brass and the factory Sig ammo was even worse. Maybe the bull barrel needs to seat in the muzzle with some more wear. Maybe the barrel lugs aren’t fully seating in the slide. The latter would be my most probable guess.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
@@southfork67 and Eric Ward, Great question and speculation, to be honest I don't have a great answer for it, the gun was never removed from the rest for all the testing. I don't think the issue is the rest or the firearm moving in it. It could be with the gun itself but I have had lot's of revolvers tested in this rest and they do not display that first round flyer generally speaking. I think a lot of it has to do with the slide release being used versus the gun cycling itself, I think the forces involved are different enough that it effects how the round is seating in the chamber. That is my best working theory thus far and I intend to do more experimenting with time. Some guns also seem to be more sensitive than others and even some loads tend to display it more than others so it is hard to pin down just exactly what is going on with it and if it's the gun or the load I think in some cases it's a combination of both. Thank you both for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
@shodam9571
@shodam9571 Год назад
Does anyone know if these 10mm magazine can fit on a 45acp frame? I have a compact .45acp frame with a .45acp FCU that would love to just slap a 10mm barrel and slide on to it
@mikeleonetti1283
@mikeleonetti1283 2 года назад
Just started reloading the 10mm. Mostly went well but occasionally, when seating the bullet, the case would crush. Any ideas of what would cause that?
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
Great questions, chances are is that you are not adequately flaring the case mouth, I would suggest flaring the case moth a little bit more and chamfering and deburring the case mouth as well and that should alleviate that. You also could be crimping the cartridge while seating the bullet and that could be crushing your case as well. I always recommend performing seating and crimping be performed as separate steps. It will increase the overall consistency of your ammunition. I hope that helps and wish you the best of luck in your handloading adventures! Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
@mikeleonetti1283
@mikeleonetti1283 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV Jeremiah, thanks for the reply. My cases are chamfered and deburred, and I crimp in a sepatate step. I will check the flare as you mentioned in the video. Great video by the way.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@mikeleonetti1283 That would be my best guess, let me know if that resolves your issues. If not I can continue to troubleshoot with you and I am sure we can figure it out! --Jeremiah
@mikeleonetti1283
@mikeleonetti1283 2 года назад
@@HandloaderTV I finally got to do some loading . I set the flare the same as yours and everything worked beautifully. No crimped cases.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV 2 года назад
@@mikeleonetti1283 That is fantastic news!! I am glad we were able to get that resolved for you and there are no more crushed cases! --Jeremiah
@cw2a
@cw2a Год назад
I gotta say, I expected better from you guys.
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
May I ask why? We strive to produce high quality honest information in an easy to watch package. If there is something we could do to improve we welcome constructive criticism and feedback. In this video we showed the results exactly as we got them and tried to provide as much information as possible. --Jeremiah
@Mr1bigsexy
@Mr1bigsexy Год назад
I tried to like Hornady XTP‘s but I’ve never had any luck with them no matter what caliber I reload them in they do not mushroom out properly
@HandloaderTV
@HandloaderTV Год назад
Hmmm, that surprises me I load XTP bullets all the time in both 9mm, 45 Auto and 10mm Auto and the performance always seems to be good, I used a Hornady XTP to harvest a Javelina with a 10mm Colt Delta Elite and the performance was very good. They certainly do need a decent amount of velocity to expand but at reasonable ranges they should expand reliably. Perhaps some more testing is in order on my end. At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
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