Hands-On: SAC "The" Seating Die

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Short Action Customs has a seating die like no other: "THE" Seating Die. Geared towards 308 case rim cartridges, this die has some unique features and construction details you'll want to see. All that in this video!
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@larrycisneros929 2 года назад

Remember the loading press comparison you did some time ago? How about a reloading die comparison? Basic RCBS or Lee up through Redding bushing dies to the new SAC dies. Bench measured analyses, operation and shooting results. I would love to see the difference between a $80.00 set of reloading dies and a $750 set, and your opinion on the results. And not just bullet seating but resizing, shoulder setback, ease of operation, set up, lube ect. Huge project! I get it, and really hard to “prove”.... thanks Gavin.

@milboltnut Год назад

A RCBS FL die with my 300 Weatherby does the job. It shoots tight groups. Why would I want to waste time and money instead of what I have ? All this hype of better dies ? It really all depends of the quality of the rifle your loading for. If you have a rifle that is finicky then work on it first, then workout the kinks with loading. Gavin is a promoter.

@MrHuntfishdive 2 года назад

I’d like to see a comparison with the SAC dies being used on the cheapest press you have to the best press. Just to see how well those dies perform.

@colinarmstrong1892 Год назад

I would like to see a comparison between different dies on different presses to see what makes the most difference.

@ElmoColt45 Год назад

Gavin, this is the second time i have watched your video on The SAC die and comparator, i love the simplicity of the tooling and i am in the process of getting a 6.5X47 set, i want to have a setup that i don't have to keep fooling with, thanks for the video.

@artbogden4958 Год назад

That seating die seems to be amazing, offer so much in one die . Thanks for the video as always 🇺🇸

@joelclark2130 2 года назад

Save my pennies, can see a set of short action custom dies in my future. Absolutely awesome information thank you again

@willxu08 2 года назад

Bought the sizing die after the previous video, and looking for this since then. Heard a lot of good word about SAC. Gonna looks dope on the zero press.

@Guitarjourney4life Год назад

I honestly can’t wait for the dies. I’ve already ordered the comparator set

@tonydevich7937 Год назад

Machinist, love them all !!!, keep up the good work

@wildcat_reloading 2 года назад

Id like one for long action cartridges as well

@ElmoColt45 Год назад

Gavin, follow up on the SAC Seating Die, today I loaded 94 bullets 6.5 x 47 Lapua brass. I loaded 94 bullets on the SAC seating die, BTOG WAS 2.140 INCHES, and all of them were at BTOG 2.140 inches, this what in I really wanted in a precision die, I checked them as I wanted to see if it really would stay set on each one, and it did. Great product from SAC! Great Video, Thanks.

@indyvin 2 года назад

I just checked the concentricity of about 30 rounds of 6BR that I had loaded. None were over 1 thousandth, with most about 1/2 thousandth. They were seated on the Whidden micrometer seating die. The cost of the die is $94.00. A Gucci seating die for $375.00 is probably the last thing a reloader needs.

@NSghostoif5 2 года назад

Wow I think whidden is Gucci but this too much for me

@aaron.from.winchester6744 2 года назад

It’s a wonder how anyone shot past 100yds or a sub 3moa group before this $375 die came out? Lol

@TMS5100 2 года назад

runout doesn't matter, this has been known for a long time.

@rdsii64 2 года назад

@@TMS5100 Run out matters, the catch is what you need to deal with it is proper loading technique, not a $375.00 die.

@richardbriscoe8563 2 года назад

That sounds a lot like the Jones seating die which uses a floating piece which matches the shoulder of the cartridge and a hole for the neck. The Forster Benchrest Ultra seater and custom seaters similar to it have a chamber closely matching the chamber of the rifle.

@drubradley8821 2 года назад

My neighbor has two of these SAC dies for some of the stuff he loads (do not know what model or features his are), BUT, In my opinion, they are really nice units, I do understand the price point of their products, and I only live an hour away from them. Not that they sell their product at a sales counter there, maybe they do?, just saying, "Made in the USA". My neighbor took the one unit apart to show me the guts of one, and WOW, the surface finish of that micro ground finish is almost a mirror finish, and still looks like they are brand new, after approx 400 to 500 loads/strokes.. There was no linear scratches on the internal moving parts. Just some very highly precision made parts, that fit together exceptionally well. I personally will be ordering the version #1 and #2, I think is what it is call, (model of the die), out side of the name "THE"... As soon as the hoodie and T-shirts are back in stock, which have been out for a few weeks now. I already have a modular action wrench system from them, which for the price, of the one kit, and 3 of the bushing lugs, pending the type you need for your rifle, you can crack loose any action and of course, precisely tighten the action/barrel clocked exactly where you want it, as the main bar of the wrench has no torsional flex or springiness in them, and the lugs with the bumper bushing forces the lugs to fit straight and tightly. The other action wrenches that I have, I have not touched unless I do not have the proper lug for the rifle I am playing with on the bench at the time, but sure enough, I get a proper lug ordered, and have slowly been building a complete set of lugs that hot swap onto the main body bar. I do wish they would make a version of the bar that is longer, by maybe 4 to 6 inches additionally.. But that is a minor issue, only for the what my workbench is set up, and not really required. All in all, I really like what I have of their products so far. I should just quit being such a cheap a$$ and order the two seater dies, instead of waiting on saving $8 bucks on combined shipping for some hoodies and T-shirts.. LOL.. Nah, are you kidding me, that $8 bucks saved, is one 6.5 PRC round that I can purchase... LOL

@goneballistic 2 года назад

Great timing, I need a seating die for a Dasher

@JerrBearTactical 2 года назад

Hello Gavin ... awesome video Sir 😉👍👊🇺🇸

@svdrifter-landlockedsailin6872 11 месяцев назад

I absolutely love the Short Action Custom Modular sizing die. SAC cracked the code with the Modular sizing die. The .001 spacers make it easy to adjust the amount of shoulder bump without having to loosen the collar. The SAC "The Seater Die" looks like it is going to to be just as good, especialy since I can use it for an entire family of cartridges. I'm looking forward to seeing if I have any isssues seating VLD or A-tip bullets.

@briancowan4318 2 года назад

That is accuracy beyond which I need. I shoot 'minutes of me' out to about 250 yards. I seriously doubt I'll ever do long or even very long range shooting, but it is nice to know that if I wanted to hit a gnats butt at a 1000 yards, there's equipment to help me get there.

@ElmoColt45 Год назад

Gavin, follow-up on the Short Action Customs, called the guys and asked if I could come and pick up a Seating Die, because I have a job that needs done, can't wait on the mail, drove from Ohio, to their shop in Wellington, Ohio and met the guys, they showed me the Seating Die and it was everything you said, so, I bought the die, and I told them my 6.5x47 Lapua and wondered if they had a Sizing Die, they checked and they had one they just finished, so, I bought both of them, got home and started seating some 6.5x47 Lapua rounds, wanted to set them at 2.235 which is really high BTOG, but it worked, I'm really pleased with their products, and will use them forever. Told them I watched your video on their products on the Ultimate Reloader, great video,

@mftoutdoors7483 11 месяцев назад

nice, seams like a good option.

@yantheriault4995 2 года назад

i would love to see you doing a testing video for the match burner bullet from barnes to see how they compare against the big names compagny

@megalopsaddict 2 года назад

How will this die work on a Forster Co Ax press as the shell holder is floating?

@sveinsoermo9883 Год назад

One word: KING!

@TrevorCazes Год назад

can you get the decapping pin low enough to actually deprime without sizing? i like to de-prime/wash/anneal/then size..

@CplSkiUSMC 2 года назад

At $375 the cost is a little less than what I thought it would be (I figured around $500). It's EASY to see how this die will provide far superior bullet seating to anything out there. I'm saving my pennies to get one!

@StuninRub Год назад

Not sure why you would use this when the Wilson dies are cheaper, produce better results, and is compatible with digital presses like the AMP press.

@eddieb9110 2 года назад

So the mitutoyo mic threads are taking the seating force?

@marctroy6867 2 года назад

How often do you anneal your case's after every firing? Cheers Marc Australia

@TheOptimi5t Год назад

If I could only afford one of the SAC dies (the seating die, or the sizing die) which one would you recommend?

@howdyduty8890 2 года назад

Nice engineering. Appreciate your tests. As always, none of this matters if we can’t see it in shooting. The reloading products, shooting products (actions, barrels, builds) have gotten so good that advancements of the kind your promoting . . . Need testing on target. It’s great that you have rifles for such testing. I look forward to seeing the comparison of rounds loaded with these new dies, vs the dies you and we have been using. There are many places where we can spend the money and time to improve our results, and ultimately we really appreciate the information that helps us make our next accuracy investment. While improved performance on the micrometer might be inferred to produce better shooting results, that inferential tendency has proven wrong too many times. So, what is the result on target? In any case, thanks for the interesting information. But at this point, it’s just interesting.

@richpryor9650 2 года назад

Yeah, so many guys gushing over the consistency from neck sizing on for their groups to look like an alcoholic playing darts.

@don_sharon 2 года назад

I have a custom SAC rifle and their modular sizing die. I mostly use LE Wilson dies. When following my established reloading process, I do not see any change - improvement - in what is on paper, SAC vs LEW. Granted, the rifle is 1/4 MOA from SAC right out of the box. At 300 yards, during load development, I am at but mostly just below 1/4 MOA consistently. I shoot 6BRA, 105 Berger hybrids, Varget, etc. Although I think SAC is cutting edge reloading equipment - which is great to see - I think guys shooting +800 yards with custom long action guns are the ones who might benefit from these dies most. There are just too many other variables in this sport to specifically say the SAC is worth the cost in short actions. That being said, I am grateful that SAC is developing the next generation of reloading equipment. I hope they are wildly successful and the per unit cost comes down for the majority of us. Then we can really concentrate on the art of shooting the rifle and work on the biggest variable - the shooter.

@StuninRub Год назад

The LE wilson seating dies are better than these, the only advantage the SAC seater offers is not needing a separate die for seating.

@Average1212 2 года назад

Im just getting started in reloading, for quite a while I will only be reloading one caliber, (6xc or 6GT undecided at this point). Would you or other readers of this reccomend just going to a dedicated die or with this SAC die?

@haraldkirschner5087 2 года назад

Does that die also work for 7x64mm? I guess yes…

@jaymiller393 Год назад

Great price for what you get! Cheaper than 3 sets of my Forster dies!

@treece1 2 года назад

What makes this one the best. ?

@Anon.Emouse 2 года назад

How do you adjust between different lengths of cartridge? (eg. 6 Dasher and 6 Creedmoor). Do you need to change the Lockring or is it just a matter of noting down the micrometer setting and being able to go straight back to that when switching calibers?

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

@Travis Fox So basically like switching a die anyways. Kinda begs the question why is this worth buying if you already have seating dies?

@ShortActionCustoms 2 года назад

Michael, Progressive Precision is correct. You can switch betweem 6 Dasher and 6mm Creedmoor by either removing or adding a 10mm spacer ball about the cartridge centering sleeve and the seating stem. This prevents the Mitutoyo Micrometer head from bottoming running out of travel when reloading for a BR variant cartridge.

@johnshipleyjr614 2 года назад

When reloading the Sam specs You do everything right but The cartridge is too long to fit in the magazine Should I then trim the neck more Plus sheet the bullet a little Deeper?

@zachwynn7670 2 года назад

If you're loading for an AR-15 that bullet may not be designed to shoot out of that platform it may be designed for bolt action and if you want to use it in your AR you may have to single feed them I ran into that problem with a 75 or 78 grain Hornady bullet I can't remember but it's one of the amax bullets I think the 75 grain hollow point you can load to mag length but not the 75 grain amax

@bigeclipse718 2 года назад

What gauge is that which is on your calipers to hold the bullet ogive?

@windexglasscleaner6800 2 года назад

Short action customs makes it

@ralphproudfoot620 2 года назад

I have some SAC products BUT the proof is on paper while I don't have this die I can't see it being better then my Wilson products It does look cool tho.

@SimpleLife1971 2 года назад

The closest I'll ever get to these dies is this video!

@mikehoshall6150 2 года назад

I’m going to ask here rather than hunt all over for an answer. Based on the numbers you gave in the video I gather this particular die will not do either a 300 WinMag or the 338RUM. Do they have a larger die for those big magnums?

@ShortActionCustoms 2 года назад

Mike , We are going to be extending to Long action magnums in the near future. We are focusing on getting more cartridges available for our Modular Sizing Die series. We are also working on an Hydro Press and Amp Press seating die.

@emoryzakin2576 2 года назад

Neat and absolutely impossible to justify at that cost. But neat.

@timfarley6493 2 года назад

Thumbs up!!!!

@sbhcmcc 2 года назад

Do you know if they plan on expanding to different cartridges

@sbhcmcc 2 года назад

@Travis Fox you’re exactly right. Let me ask you another question please. If loading for the same rifle, but switching bullets, will you use the same base to ogive measurement or find a new measurement for the new projectile?

@ShortActionCustoms 2 года назад

Joseph, We are going to be extending to Long action magnums in the near future. We are focusing on getting more cartridges available for our Modular Sizing Die series. We are also working on an Hydro Press and Amp Press seating die.

@mortenbreiland3984 2 года назад

So if you move the measuring point further out towards the bullet tip the runout will be much larger. This tool is not very suitable for measuring runout. The closer you get to the mouth of the case the smaler the runout will be.

@thompsonjerry3412 2 года назад

The only thing that matters are groups, test the silly dies against a Hornady die and see if it matters.

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

I’ll give you a clue, it doesn’t matter. This channel’s goal is to sell stuff.

@TMS5100 2 года назад

Test it against the cheapest Lee die. Then do a double blind test and see if you can tell which is which.

@dans8169 2 года назад

@@TMS5100 Nobody will be able to tell. Reason I say that is a lot of long range shooters swear by lee collet sizing die. Lee is extremely simple but can produce very accurate ammunition. As long as you use good brass, bullets and take your time charging and seating. And anneal your brass you can still produce very accurate ammunition

@davidunderwood3605 2 года назад

I like the concept. I would have felt better you measuring run out as they came off the press and not cutting away and then coming back and measuring. Not so doubting the results, on the other hand it's just suspicious when anyone does it. Really make a person wonder why not do it one shot so that there is no doubt.

@TMS5100 2 года назад

And yet runout doesn't matter at all for accuracy... even if runout was 0 with this die it wouldn't improve shooting results.

@stridor0606 2 года назад

I have never clicked on a video so fast

@mileshigh2977 2 года назад

Hmmmm.... The possible jokes with this one... Must resist...

@Sparks00psn 2 года назад

I can’t believe he’s got his hands on a sac

@desperado8605 2 года назад

Time to start saving my pennies

@martinscharf3902 2 года назад

Sorry, but people buy a 10k rifle, put a 5k scope on it. Spend 10k in reloading equipment ant components. And i‘m pretty sure, 99% of those guys aren’t able to get one single digit more performance out of it. Nice gadget, but i‘d like to see a comparison result of ammo loaded with this tools and with some bargen reloading tools….

@andymorel4645 2 года назад

Hi Gavin, could you please do a video about 300wsm? Please it is a cartridge very under rated, who as a lot of potential.

@silentbob7984 2 года назад

I can get 1 thou to .5 thou with my Redding match dies. Resizing die and seating die included in the set. 325$ Canadian dollars. Oh and I use I rcbs rockchucker single stage press. 500$ US is pricey.

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

Now do the math on buying 4-5 Type S sets compared to buying this and just the sizers. It’s expensive but worth it if you reload for more than just a couple calibers.

@Sageofthe16 2 года назад

#nutSAC

@pstewart5443 2 года назад

I like SAC products, but wow, I just can't imagine this will give nearly as much as just getting a very good re-sizing and not letting the bullet go into the seating die crooked. Your preferred load with a amazing rifle is how you achieve amazing results. I know a lot of bench-rest guys reloading on a Lee hand press with Lee dies right there behind the firing line, and they're shooting in 0.001-0.0001 range of five shot groups. That's only because below that you need to go to a bigger match with better measuring equipment. I get it, Gucci gear gives you more confidence in your ammo. I'd buy em if I needed something like that, loading across five calibers with one die.

@TMS5100 2 года назад

runout doesn't matter., this has been known a long time. ask which pro shooters bother with it. very few.

@BigDmike24 Год назад

If you make your living shooting. You probably need something like this. I'm regular dude who is fortunate to shoot 1" or less groups at 100 yards. This die set is not practical for me. 1 important thing to mention. Your press has to be in good condition. Mine are old . The ram rod wiggles and jiggles. Like throwing a hot dog down the hallway. So I'm excited when I get 3 thousandths in run out.

@aaron.from.winchester6744 2 года назад

How much is SAC paying you?

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

With that die obviously.

@brianmfieldwick3494 2 года назад

Too expensive

@ShortActionCustoms 2 года назад

Brian, What you have to take into consideration, is this die will reload a multiple array of cartridges. Where as other seating dies will just do one. Yes the die is expensive. But you also have to take into consideration that each die has about 4 man hours with polishing and assembly. If you are reloading for multiple short action cartridges, this die will save you money versus having to purchase multiple seating dies for a variety of different cartridges.

@jaredfoshee2404 2 года назад

I'm not sure this die gives me anything that my redding competition seaters dont...

@duane356 2 года назад

My Redding micrometer seater dies (243,708, 308) with Lapua case give me half a thou consistently

@TMS5100 2 года назад

doubtful

@windexglasscleaner6800 2 года назад

The ability to do it all with one die is about it. Runout and concentricity don’t really matter.

@TreborUSCG 2 года назад

For $375. it should be gold plated and make me lunch.....Nice engineering, but I think I'll pass.

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

It could potentially be a money saver depending on how many calibers you load for. If you’re already buying expensive match dies, not having to buy a seating die every time would save you money.

@TreborUSCG 2 года назад

@@MrMalicious5 Yes, if your just starting out reloading, otherwise no.....

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

@@TreborUSCG Yeah, if you already got a pile of dies, the SAC seater is just an expensive slight convenience.

@jj-eg5up Год назад

Agree.

@ianmatteson482 Год назад

That 375 is paying for that mitutoyo mic. I am a machinist and build racing engines. Mitutoyo mic set 0-6 costs nearly 5000 and that’s not even the digital one. If the seating die had a cheaper mic on it I’d say the price would be way less. But i don’t trust anything other than mitutoyo or sunnen measuring equipment anymore. Get what you pay for for sure