Same goes for a ton of series out there. You'd be surprised how many stories have the Protagonist be seemingly related to someone famous despite themselves saying where they come from doesn't matter at all. Naruto... STAR WARS...
That is an easy critique to make, but it is missing the point. Your heritage is where you start- who your family were. Where *you take yourself* is what defines *you.* The author has to establish who the family were in order to provide the audience context for where the character(s) end up. *Fictional biases must be established and defined before they can be deconstructed in a meaningful way.* The alternative is a "tell don't show" approach in which the author describes how "and then everyone except the good guys totally oppressed them" until they eventually stop explicitly describing the abuse, at which point the arc would be over. Failing to establish how bad the bigotry is in the first place will rob the trope of "Plucky, young character realizes that the sins of the father do not define them" of it's impact. We need to see consequences for a resolution to carry any weight.
She has long ebony black hair with purple streaks and red tips that reaches her mid-back, pale skin, and icy blue eyes like limpid tears and when she sees preps in the courtyard she puts up her middle finger at them.
Don’t send Delphine to Azkaban!!! Also she should have the attitude of “I only know Albus and Scorpius for a day and a half, but if anything happens to them I’ll kill everyone in the room then myself”, and slowly come to realize her plan is just not worth it.
If they could do some sort of redemption story for her,I would actually like Harry to become her mentor of sorts. Kind of like a shadow of the Harry/Dumbledore dynamic
honestly id love a take where she starts with her augerey plot, realises she cares too much (PLATONICALLY) about albus and scorpius to go through with it, and then idk defends them from the real villain. i just want delphi to be the equivalent of a cool older cousin u only see at thanksgiving who smokes weed and reads ur palm
When Ron said we'll disinherit u if u marry a pureblood, i felt like that was hypocritical as you'd expect such prejudice from the Malfoys. Ron is probably responsible for Rose's hatred towards Scorpius.
"I'm still mad that you didn't name a child after me Not even a middle name Honestly and you go to the one who bullied you for the your childhood And the one who set you up to die!"
She would have no choice. She had to give in a lot in Order of the Phoenix when the Ministry took over. I actually have no problems with Harry over reacting and being like this toward Minerva.As he was coming to her as a scared and concerned parent at the time. Harry is human and flawed like anyone else. But later on in the play Harry should have come to his senses and basically exclaimed 'Oh my God..I'm acting just like Fudge and Umbridge now aren't I?!" It would have been a learning experience for him
@@CJCroen1393 how do you people buy into the propaganda against her? She wanted the same stuff the trans activists supposedly want, right? She hasn't said anything against them at all. None of you have anything on her. I don't know how familiar you actually are with the situation but she isn't the hateful one here. It's the people trying to ruin her for trying to acknowledge her own experience. Be informed and be real.
The love potions sold at Weasley's Wizard Wheezes are not "roofies". They're not authentic amortentia. It's implied that Amortentia is a different kind of love potion, the strongest one. This ones just cause an infatuation
harry potter doesnt work as a "next gen" story where parentage is so important, when the point of the original was "your bloodline does not define you" What HP needs is just a new story with new kids who have a story of their own would work This is partly why the fantastic beasts movies are having such diminishing returns it keeps trying to make the lore matter when it's the magic school most fans like
I mean it could work if you just had it about Albus, and Scorpius’ time at hogwarts. Maybe solve a mystery, something along the lines of how the first book played out. Not trying to make it some big huge time crap bring back the dark lord crap they tried to pull.
@@kpag3030 and you are free to like the lore But here's an idea (I'm literally making this up as I'm typing) it's the 1999 tri wizard cup and rather then just Hogwarts beaubattons and dumstrang the cup is opened up to all the other schools and their various kinds of magic with the story following Salem Smith an American magictech from ilvermorny and her magic shooting gun A little more interesting the "what was Dumbledore teaching in 1926" dont you think?
Fun fact: that was basically a message in Return of the Jedi. Luke bares some potential visual foreshadowing of turning to the dark side. He’s aware of the choices his father made and with that he makes the right choice and resists killing Vader and the Emperor in anger. We didn’t need a sequel trilogy to completely undo everything Luke his friends and comrades accomplished including their personal growth just to retroactively declare him a placeholder for someone younger and more attractive and to some people’s temporary delight address a trope that was never a trope to begin with. Fun fact: Rey’s lineage for the duration of the last Jedi was a mystery box. Ben had motive to lie and with that we don’t see her parents likenesses nor their surname
I'm sorry but how can one look at the staircase dance scene and then be like "Yeah, really good friends" ??? I can't believe there wasn't an intentional pairing of the two before the finalization of the play but then someone stood up against that. I mean just look at the rest of their relationship like holy sht !
@@hezureviews The “Staircase Ballet” is the track name for that part of the show. It’s a beautiful piece of music based on Imogen Heap’s “Half Life,” which is one of the most heartbreaking, clearly romantic songs there is. Honestly, looking into the original tracks that became the Cursed Child soundtrack really adds to the play in ways that almost directly contradict a lot of what the writers assert about the show.
@@michaelflores9220 There’s a scene in the script in Act II that contains absolutely no dialogue and describes how Albus and Scorpius walk up and down the stairs of Hogwarts, which move like a dance. It’s very much in the script, and it’s definitely one of the best translated scenes.
At least it’s nice they didn’t retcon that It is kind of creepy that Harry gives the baby blanket to his son, at least at such a young age. It is kind of narcissistic and an unnecessary guilt trip if you think about it If Harry used it cradle his first grandchild as a means to correct the past that would be more appropriate
If I’m being honest, it’s not as bad as most people describe it. When you watch the play, it fits much better, as the acting really adds to characters. However, it’s still... pretty bad.
agreed. I went into it not having read the screenplay before but knowing enough to be like "oh god" but I was pleasantly surprised by how the performance of it was. it also helps if you just think to yourself "this is author approved fanfiction" because who doesn't love a good-bad fanfic?
The only thing I would change in the play is to have Astoria be alive, not curse, and be teaching her son to not go after girls who hates him, specifically Rose. Plus we get to see Astoria and Draco interactions.
@@tgiacin435 Yes because Hazuneutral has already mention every changes that would make the play great. Unless I missed something or don't remember her mention this, I would add Astoria and have her not be dead.
You know, for a writer who likes to crow about her gay characters, Rowling sure does seem to hate writing gay characters. And for a writer who seems to fancy herself a feminist - and I stop at saying she fancies herself one due to how awful she is to trans people and how she dresses up her bald-faced bigotry as protecting women - she tends to write women in really sexist ways. I don't even like Harry Potter, and even I can tell that to make it so Hermione needed a man in her life to become the Minister of Magic is such a misogynistic pile of garbage writing that it borders on parody. Her characterization from the start was of an intelligent, ambitious young woman with a strong sense of justice that got her into trouble but never ceased being something she valued. To make it so she needs to be hitched to Ron Weasley, the crown prince of ass clowns, in order to accomplish anything is the entire opposite of how to translate feminist theory into practice as an author. So the only conclusion I can draw is that Rowling is a feckless opportunist that will hitch her wagon to literally any ideology that will give her clout even when she contradicts herself to do so. Sorry for writing a thesis on this. Rowling just makes my stomach turn.
The cursed child: *creates characters with good chemistry and a healthy relationship* Jk Rowling: ok now make sure we say every other line that they’re only friends
For the scene of when Albus and Scorpius meet I just went, "Well if this is not the flirty first meet, love at first sight scene you get in any Hallmark Rom-com, then I've never seen a rom-com!"
I did the same thing, (well not on day one, but early on and full price). I was so infuriated by this thing. I paid the price of a full Harry Potter book to get a shitty script that took every character and plot point and dragged them through the mud. I hated it so much, but I paid so much for it that I can't bring myself to throw it away or destroy it, even though I'd like to, so it just sits on my shelf and makes me ashamed.
I honestly should’ve known. I was there for the release, but instead of getting to relive something similar to the release of 6 and 7, we just waited in line. And then as soon as I started reading it, it became more and more of a chore to read. I got around the part where Albus and Scorpius save Cedric the first time, and I haven’t opened that book since 2016. And when I read the first page of the fantastic beasts script, I was happy cause it actually felt like I was reading something part of that world, and not some my immortal level fan fic
In the books, Ginny is the queen of inconsistent characterisation. In the beginning of the series, she's written like an even younger child, in books 2-4, she's quiet and sensitive about violence, but capable of being underhand and amoral (covering up her involvement in Chamber of Secrets, only caring if she gets in trouble), in books 5-7, she's thoroughly obnoxious and aggressive, fixated on mucus and inexplicably great at Quidditch in the way of a Mary Sue. In the epilogue, she becomes Stepford Ginny, who doesn't even have a say in naming her kids.
To be fair, Ginny was possessed, and had moments where she had no memories about what happened. I wouldn’t exactly call her inconsistent since we don’t see her pov. But I’m pretty sure she agreed to the names of her and Harry’s children.
@@tgiacin435 let's put it this way: there's too big of a jump in personality between of book 4 and book 5 without major story arc about her happening. And when the story was about ginny again in book 6 it's about harry hooking up with her.
Wow it's like you've never seen a 9 year old grow up into a 16 year old. I was a shy quiet kid who never got into trouble, until literally my senior year of high-school (cough cough, 16) and then I became an extrovert loud mouth who wouldn't shut up in class. This is what we call...CHARACTERIZATION
I personally think that making this a play was more of a negative then a positive. It's always hard to continue a story that is "finished" in this case Harry Potter, but then to go and put it into another media all together is even harder to do. Next... get rid of the Harry Potter part of the title. His story is finished and if they really want to make a new story a new name is needed or at least that's how I see it. Third...I might get some flak for this but, get rid of these awful retcons it turns this mess of a story into an even worse one... I'll even be honest I didn't know that was Hermione until you told me it was. That's just some of my thoughts though and I am not a writer AT ALL.
I think it should've been titled The Wizarding World: The Cursed Child its connects it to the main series but makes it less confusing. Though if I had it my way the cursed child would still be a sequel, but have it be set not long after Harry and the others Graduated from Hogwarts. The Cursed Child being a case file that Harry as a new Auror is tasked with solving that would eventually lead to the wizarding world being revealed to Muggles.
I wouldn’t mind the story being about Albus and Scorpius, but have it focus on them trying to solve a mystery at Hogwarts. It’s when they started doing the time travel, and Delphi and literally everything else they did that screwed things. And with all the death eaters either dead or back in Azkaban, I’d like to think the slytherins mellowed out in the 19 years between the ending and the epilogue. Main problem of the play is that it wasn’t written by Rowling. I mean compare philosopher’s stone to cursed child and fantastic beasts. Fantastic Beasts, even as a script felt more in line than curse child.
I might imagine that "Timmy is Voldemort's illegitimate child" is the wizarding world's equivalent of "UR GAY" or "Timmy has cooties!" Anywho, when I read this years ago, my main impressions were that this read like a Harry Potter fanfic---and that even so, Albus and Scorpius were adorable together. One of the main problems, I think (which has been pointed out by others before me) is that most of the Harry Potter books are actually *mysteries* at their core, and the time-turner turns Harry Potter into a *science fiction* story. The genre shift leaves people feeling like they aren't really reading a Harry Potter story. (Plus, as you noted, the writing is often bad and people act out-of-character.) Also, re: Rose, if the genders were reversed, we'd correctly perceive how Rose treats Scorpius as abusive, mean, haughty, neggy, and all-around overflowing with red flags. The prize is not worth the game here. Also, also, what is wrong with cishets where they're presumably more okay with joking about incest and statutory rape than depicting a healthy queer romance?
I could say the same for most fandoms I used to be a part of. I'm embarrassed to call myself a fan of anything I enjoyed as a kid, say for one Australian book series I got into around middle school.
Honestly, looking back was it ever really worth it? I used to be a big fan but honestly it's been filled with really shitty and bigoted stuff since day one.
How about instead of blood racism its the story about a new dark wizard rising to power on the principle of power undaunted. They mix in muggle tech and break tradition to get a new edge and take over the darker elements of wizard society. They are not racist but still hold the idea of weak vs the strong. Their followers frequently fight each other in death games to increase their skills, such that each living individual of this new movement is a huge problem to deal with. And triple down by making the dark lord a Hufflepuff, an inclusive forgotten evil that breaks the stupid tradition of only Slytherin being evil.
I feel like youd have to work really hard to make a Hufflepuff a villain tbh. Theyre literally defined by kindness and loyalty. Unless like the guy was absolutely raving mad and was fully convinced he was helping everyone he attacked I dont think thered be any way to make a Hufflepuff dark wizard.
@@theflamingphoenix6986 Simple, their loyalty is to the cause of making all wizards equal and tearing down unequal traditions. Their kindness is that once the revolutionary struggle is over muggle and wizard can be much closer together instead of staying apart. Their pain and struggle is for a brighter future but its done by extremely violent and revolutionary means. Like I dunno, a muggle skilled with guns with a AK-47 is actually quite powerful. Why should they not have access wizard charms to increase their power further simply because of the way they were born?
Not going to lie. Your summary of the book somehow makes it bearable. Even enjoyable. and as if Draco and Harry's relationship was just more on the subtle side. I have a feeling one of the writers was a DracoXHarry shipper. Cause Scorpius and Albus's relationship sounds adorable as hell.
I wish Scorpius and Albus were able to be boyfriends and Draco was the only thing I enjoyed when I heard about this shitty play. It made me love Malfoy
Scorpius being the supposed illegitimate child of Voldie rumor made no sense. I mean, he and Albus are the same age, and Albus is the MIDDLE CHILD. In order for that to have made ANY SENSE, Tom and Bellatrix would've still been alive after the birth of James, and they DIED quite notably long before that.
The story has that as a result of a rumored time turner. Still not that well done though it isn’t terrible. Just kinda there to give scorp a reason to be sad and Delphi parallels
@@ReneJonsun But Time Turners don't allow you to go forward in time, only backward. The rumor therefore implies the belief that Voldemort and Bellatrix lived past the war, had a kid, went back in time for some ungodly reason, and then died... while their past selves go into hiding... I get that the reason given as to why people believed that is because of the rumored time turner, but unfortunately in order for that rumor to hold any weight, you have to forget how time turners work.
And Oooooh gods I love your alternate suggestion for the focus of Delphi's arc. The trio mirroring different members of the OG cast they're quite explicitly not related to is amazing.
I actually thought it would have been brilliant if they had followed through with basically making Delphi/Harry's end relationship a shadow of the one Harry himself had with Sirius Black and Dumbledore. JK Rowling has always enjoyed writing parallels between characters after all.And at the end when Delphini was freaking out because of her failure to save her father,you could tell Harry felt very sorry for her as a fellow orphan.
I really feel like this needs to be said, J.K. Rowling went as far in this as giving the two writers ideas for the Play, but wrote none, or at least almost none of the play itself
5 minutes in and Harry had a falling out with his son, Hermionie decided she wanted an unlimited N word pass, Cedric Survived, Cedric became a death eater and Cedtric killed Neville? This is gonna be a long one.
24:28 Yeah, they retconned her future into being a reporter for Quidditch instead of a player. Personally I always assumed since Harry is rich enough to not need to work a day in his life that he'd be a stay-at-home dad while Ginny followed her passion into Quidditch. It made no sense to me that the guy who spent most of his childhood trying to not be killed by Voldemort and his followers would intentionally sign up for a job that would put him in harms way and might kill him, leaving his children without a father.
I personally believe that the whole scorpious-albus platonic-but-with-romantic-interactions-relationship mess can be blamed on bad writing, the authors of the show failed to write a good strictly platonic relationship and this led to some moments that felt out of place for what the relationship was supposed to be, this can be seen because they also failed on writing a good canonical romance. They made an apple pie that tasted like a cherry pie and a burned cherry pie I believe that this could have been changed if either A. Just made Scorpius and Albus a real thing or B. This is a long one so be prepared, according to literally no one I am the grandmaster of how to write healthy and cute love stories so trust me on this one. We begin with Rose and Albus being forced to sit with Scorpious, both of them unsure of what to say and kind of scared to be quite honest ( I mean, the kid IS related to Bellatrix after all...) tension arises but is soon put down when they quickly find out that the boy is actually a very sweet dork. Albus and Scorpius become friends while Rose and Scorpious quickly show an interest in one another. Scorpious is especially obvious about it. By the fourth year of Hogwarts, it is revealed that Scorpious was kissed by Rose and that they are now dating. Through the show, we see that despite how awkward Scorpious is, whenever he is around Rose he becomes a lot more confident, as Rose gave him both the faith and support that he had never received before in his life. Rose, on the other hand, becomes far more calm and relaxed around Scorpious, as he makes her feel not only as if she is truly special, and reminds her that she truly matters to him, with all her faults, which is something she really needs, as she tends to feel like she has to be perfect in order to live up to her mother and father. They keep their relationship a secret from their families, as Rose's grandfather insisted that he would rather die than see a member of his family married to a Malfoy, but regardless of what they say Romeo and Juliet still seem to be made for one another. In the time-traveling affair, Scorpious tries to stop Albus, as Rose had convinced him that it was all a horrible idea, and Albus almost listens to him... However Delphi then tells Scorpious that maybe if they travel time, he would be able to stop his father from becoming a death eater and make him less of a bigot, thus making the relationship between his father and Rose's family a lot less awkward... to say the least... this finally making Scorpious agree, since he longed to be liked by his girlfriends family, and be able to make their relationship public more than anything in the world. When he comes back he realizes that Rose was never born in that timeline his world is completely shattered, and his relationship with Albus suffers because of it. Desperate to go back and fix the error he made, he ends up accepting all the terms and conditions of Delphi, so long as she lets him get his hands on the time turner, however, before he even has the chance to fix his mistake. he steps into the reality in which Voldemort wins. Same old stuff as the first one, with two minor differences: 1. before the dementors kiss Ron and Hermionie. they tell him that they are grateful for having a boy like him be the boyfriend of their daughter 2. instead of being Albus that triggers his Patronus, it was actually the memory of the first time that he saw Rose or kiss her or of something to do with her, NOT Albus. When he finally returns to his timeline, instead of being all happy and hugging Albus, he immediately pushes him aside and goes and hugs Rose begging her to forgive him, even if she has no idea of what happened. When Albus and Scorpius are getting scolded for their actions, with Hermione being especially harsh on Scorpious, Rose goes and defends them, since even though Rose thought that even if his actions were stupid, she sympathized with him as she herself wishes that their relationship was less of a forbidden thing. She is still very mad at him for not having listened to her, though. After a while, the two do reconcile and continue with their relationship, but they both promise to never do a decision so radical without consulting the other first. The same old stuff that happens in the play happens after this, but by the end of the play, in their final year, a very old Arthur and Molly come in and give Scorpious their blessing, though they still do it a bit reluctantly... regardless Scorpious is immensely grateful and soon proposes to Rose. I know that this is probably not great, but still gives Scorpious a reason to like Rose other than just because the play needed a romantic subplot and, it makes the relationship between Albus and Scorpius seem strictly platonic, since in this version he 1. does not follow him blindly, and instead calls him out on multiple occasions, 2. is not willing to do every single thing he asks him to do and 3. is FAR more concern about what happens to his actual love interest than on Albus getting his way. In other words, he is a simp for Rose, not Albus... But seriously though in this version he still cares deeply about Albus and his well-being, which is why he insists on not taking Delphi with them, not because he is jealous, but because he does not trust Delphi, and sees her as an awful influence on Albus
Just saw the 2023 west end version of cursed child-Scorpius now only asks rose if she wants to be friends, makes no mention of dating at all. It’s really really really coded as albus and Scorpius being gay-my mum said the entire second part was about how they are gay. Snape makes a reference about love when talking to Scorpius about albus. Albus tells Harry Scorpius is going to be the most important person in his life for the rest of his life. They were undeniably gay. The cast plays it that way and I don’t know if JK is even aware!
- Retcon the love potion thing because it was fucking stupid. - Scorpius can keep chasing Rose and maybe get in a relationship with her, but Albus has to be against it. Being a Slytherin, Albus is mostly against it out of jealousy, but also sees how toxic the relationship is and wouldn't support it anyways. Scorpius, however, is a social outcast due to the Voldemort rumor (which should be retconned to just be about his dad being a Death Eater like you said), so due to lack of practice/experience, he probably doesn't really know what a healthy relationship looks like or what the red flags are for a toxic relationship, so he would pursue it anyways. At the same time, Ron and Hermione's relationship is shown to be extremely toxic (since they really only got into it out of jealousy, and they don't actually have all that much in common). Hermione becomes abusive to Ron, and this relationship dynamic is then mirrored through Rose and Scorpius's relationship. Eventually Hermione can't stand the relationship anymore and divorces Ron. The divorce puts a lot of stress on Rose, whose perfect life is now starting to fall apart. The stress makes it too hard for her to keep up her relationship with Scorpius and she breaks up with him. She never really cared for him to begin with, so she makes it short and abrupt before storming off to deal with her stress. Both Ron and now Scorpius are devastated, and Albus comes in to comfort Scorpius as Harry tries to comfort Ron. However, Albus is mostly doing it to try and be the fallback boyfriend (our main characters are Slytherins, we should take full advantage of the fact that they're probably both manipulative pieces of shit), and when Scorpius realizes this, he's incredibly hurt by the abuse of his trust and their friendship shatters. It then becomes a B plot that Albus is now having to slowly rebuild his Slytherin crush's trust just so they can at least be friends again. Meanwhile, Rose is dealing with the stress from the divorce very poorly, bullying everyone around her and in general being a bitch. People get sick of her and she starts losing friends. This further stresses her out, since the fame of her parents which she's been riding on this whole time to get her unearned popularity is now failing her and she doesn't know how to deal with that. Everyone's pretty much sick of her by this point, but Harry tries to get Albus to at least be understanding of Rose's situation. Over time Albus and eventually Scorpius try to comfort her, she tries to be tough and brush them off but eventually has an emotional breakdown with them which they help her through, and towards the end of the series she becomes the fourth member of their band of misfits (though she won't be a major participant in any of the actual adventures, and Scorpius will have learned his lesson and won't be going after her by this point), and the new friend group helps her to be less of a bitch. - The wizarding community largely rejects new modern technology (with some exceptions), so Hogwarts won't be upgrading most of their equipment (with the exception of a few rebellious new teachers who make their own upgrades to their classrooms). Instead, muggleborn students will smuggle contraband tech into the school (students will probably call them "Smuggles" or something). This leads to an arms race between them and the teachers; the teachers will use their magic to search for contraband tech, and the Smuggles in turn will start learning new spells on their own time to better-hide their stuff (maybe a rough allegory for the pointlessness of the war on drugs or something). This leads to the muggleborn students far surpassing the skills of the pureblood students, which will piss off the pureblood students and start some form of rivalry between them and maybe an anti-mudblood movement or something. - Meanwhile, wizarding community leaders are having to implement more and more elaborate spells in order to hide their communities from the muggle world and its ever-advancing tech, which is costing more and more resources and becoming less and less feasible, especially with occasional leaks from Smuggles using their smuggled-in phones/computers to post videos/images of magic and mythical creatures online. They're starting to seriously consider revealing themselves to the muggle world, and how best to do so (kind of a Wakanda-like situation). And the main characters' adventures will probably cause events that will make this more and more difficult.
time travel is just too messy to make a coherent or consistent plot. Never really liked the time turner as a plot device anyway because it always just seemed like when something consequential happened (like a death), the question becomes “why not use the time turner?” Reminds me of life is strange in a way. Being able to always rewind time made decision making feel cheap because actions no longer have a direct relationship with consequence.
I feel that the only story that made it work was men in black 3 back in time. Since it still kept the “status quo” and showed why you don’t mess with time.
at least in prisoner of azkaban the whole thing with the time turner is that everything already happened that way and you cant really change the past and then 2 books later they all get blown up
The time turners can only go back 5 hours, any longer and you would screw up the past. But then at some point the unspeakables said screw the dangers of going back in time, let’s make a super time turners that can go back years
Because time turners can't change the past? We saw this in the prisoner of Azkaban. When you use a time turner, it creates a time loop, meaning you already went back in time, so ultimately, nothing gets changed.
The only time I will ever pity Voldemort in this life... putting up with Bellatrix. Why he didn't come up with a magic spell for heir, I have no clue... also... I hope for that one night, he was good as drunk during the whole thing. I wouldn't want that memory. I also demand that Delphini get a redemption arc. I demand fics of this.
I actually thought it would have been brilliant if they had followed through with basically making Delphi/Harry's end relationship a shadow of the one Harry himself had with Sirius Black and Dumbledore. JK Rowling has always enjoyed writing parallels between characters after all.And at the end when Delphini was freaking out because of her failure to save her father,you could tell Harry felt very sorry for her as a fellow orphan. He knew exactly why she tried so hard to use a time turner to try and meet the parents she never knew.It's pretty much a parallel of when 11 yr old Harry kept looking into the mirror of Erised night after night,to longingly gaze on the parents he didn't remember. At that point Dumbledore reprimanded Harry for obsessing over an impossible dream,while forgetting to live.Harry pretty much did the same when he told Delphini that he understood her dream,but that she couldn't mess with time to bring her parents back. Instead of the battle ending the way it did,imagine if Delphini Vs Harry dialogue mirrored a certain scene from Prisoner of Azkaban. Harry: (Stands coldly over Sirius black with wand raised) Sirius: "Are you going to kill me Harry?" Harry: "You killed my parents......" Sirius: "“I don’t deny it,But if you knew the whole story.” What if Harry found himself in the same position as Sirius,and Delphini was in young Harrys shoes? It actually fits quite well.All Kid Harry knew is rumors and an incomplete version of a story where Sirius had been responsible for his parents deaths. Delphini's basically spent her youth being groomed and brainwashed by the remnants of her fathers cult to accept a certain version of the story where Harry is her parents murderer. Delphini is basically a shadow of what Harry would have been if he had been forced to live until adulthood with the Dursleys,never went to Hogwarts and made friends etc. To me it was a perfect opportunity to have Harry (at least eventually) end up being Delphini's mentor/honorary God father.
@@reynarudydharsono603 Voldemorts horcruxes doesn't make his body indestructible. Maybe he wanted another emergency body to transfer his soul into,in case the body he was in started failing.There is no indication that Voldemort was a like a god,and that the shell he was in would last forever. Also he was immensely proud to be part of Salazar Slytherins bloodline. I see no reason why he would not like to see that lineage continue. And in his mind I'm sure there was no one better then the Black family heiress to bare his children
My headcanon is that the time travel bs messed with Delphine’s mind, hence why she was evil out of nowhere. In fact, you can easily say that evil timeline Delphine came in, kidnapped normal timeline Delphine, and took her place if you want good Delphine back. Kind of a cop out, but yk- If I were to do a Harry Potter play, I’d make it a Sherlock Holmes mystery about a wizard serial killer or wizard mob war or something else with a noir feel. mysteries have always been the core of Harry Potter, so bringing it into an adult way would be natural, especially when Harry’s an auror. Plus, mysteries are an easy and fun way to keep an audience engaged, which is what you want for a play
To be honest, I remember my parents telling me that the ron and hermione pairing is something common sense shortly after the 2nd movie came out. So I never considered it out of place.
The real problem with it is that Rowling was lazy: She wrote only one major female character in a mostly male cast and then paired her with someone who wasn't the lead. That's always a recipe for fandom backlash. If she'd introduced Luna sooner and made Ginny more prominent after Book 2 instead of waiting till Book 6 to do anything with them this might have been averted.
@@ShadowSonic2 Ginny while not prominent in books 3-4 became more involved in book 5. She was there in all of them. With small items that let the reader see who she was. It was the films when JK let others adapt things that she got lost. And the Cursed Child was written by the two men whose names are on the cover not JK Rowling.
@@ShadowSonic2 maybe but then you also have to take into account the ages of the characters and the events in the stories. Harry would not have really looked her way until book 5. 11, 12, and 13 yr old boys tend to notice the older more developed girls. And Ginny was there just not mentioned that much.
I love crack fanfics where Harry Potter, Draco Malfoy and Tom Riddle are of the same age and go to Slytherin. I guess that's what the Cursed Child is, to an extent :D
I remember there's this one crack fic of Hermione somehow convincing the entire wizarding world that she's voldemort's daughter (by complete accident, claiming that she was the daughter a gaunt so she could reap the benefits of it Valdemort eventually believes her!)
A theory about "different" time turner. It could have been actually different. Hermione got hers from school so she could manage the overbearing amount of classes she took. It might have been weakened so children couldn't go back in time to change things. And the HP&CC trio snatched non-weakened time turner that didn't have restrictions on the amount of time travelled back and the time-loop breaking.
I'm pretty sure most, if not all, the time turners the ministry had were destroyed in the order of the Phoenix anyway, when Harry and his friends were in the department of mysteries. So I don't really know how they managed to create better ones from scratch
In defense of Ron, in the movies like half of Hermione's intelligent moves and insights, we're Ron's lines and deeds. Ron is magical-streets-smart and great at intuitively navigating order and chaos, making him insanely good at chess. Ron's Achilles-heel is coming from a family of amazing kids all excelling at different stuff and feeling like how can he do anything to live up to expectations.
I just want to mention that there is a new version of the script with the "subtle changes" such as Albus BASICALLY CONFESSING HE'S GAY TO HIS DAD AND SAYING SCORPIUS MAY ALWAYS BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN HIS LIFE??? AMDJDKDJ GAY GAY GAYE- And Scorpius no longer has a crush on Rose! My dad literally thought Albus and Scorpius were gay for eachother- In summary: The new version of the play makes Scorbus canon but you have to pay attention to realize it.
Okay, "Fight me, J.K. Rowling, you coward!" is objectively side-crampingly hysterical. I never saw it coming. Second, and more importantly, Harry Potter and the Cursed Child is ultimately a Slytherin story. And like all Slytherin stories, it's designed to make you not like Slytherins.
if belatrix gave birth right before the battle like i think is canon to the book she'd be 17 so she'd be a 7th year student at hogwarts in albus' first year and the book is mostly in his 4th so 21
@@donb7519 there’s no way she could be, not with how she moved during Malfoy manor. The only way can see Bellatrix pregnant, is if they make HBC’s pregnancy while they were filming as canon. But the idea of Voldemort actually doin the nasty is kinda scary to think about
The "Albus is bi" section. I'm a fanfic M/M writer and most of those lines are M/M romance perfection. So nooooow I have to go pirate this, read all of it over the course of the weekend, and probably script doctor the whole thing into a massive fanwork. K thanks, bye.
teddy not being in here was bad cus he fit in soooo well with the story the cursed child-theme with him being a son of a werewolf, bonding with Delphine cus of there lost parents from the war, and their also cousins so Delphine has someone as a family member to bond with. they could do soooo much yet did nothing
I haven't read this since it came out, so I forgot how ridiculous it was. I was too focused on the Scorbus elements and how the writers clumsily tried to pull a "no homo" at the last minute. Edit: I completely agree Albus is totally bi. Also, I think Scopius is gay and only interested Rose because she treats him like shit.
Scorpius is my favourite character is all of the Wizarding World franchise. He’s a adorable, kind and shows how much Draco has learnt and changed with how his son turned out. I love his (totally not gay) relationship with Al. Honestly if I was writing this story I’d remove the time travel and just have be a forbidden friendship/ love story, that’s way more interesting of a concept to me
1. Why did they make scorpious so cute! I mean, he’s so sweet!!! 2. Why is rose such a bitch? 3. Everytime I see Albus and Scorpious I shout out “Hah! GAY” because it just makes since 4. I agree with literally EVERYTHING you have been saying this whole time
Honestly I really did like the albus Severus dynamic in this. Like; it was really cool and interesting and felt pretty realistic tools and then…nothing *sigh*
Ooooh, you want our trans HP OCs for some rowling spite? Well I made her a few years ago so she's not up to the scratch of the characters I write now, but; Arwyn O'Riley, a muggle-born Ravenclaw, she's rather poor with most magics, but has put enough effort into learning transfiguration stuff to be an ace at it despire that, although she mostly uses her skill with it to turn into a fox in order to hide from bullies. (Because she's just shy and sweet and an absolute nerd for muggle mythologies. Also boarding schools fucking suck.). Since she's also set after the books I have her escaping from a transphobic muggle britain into a MORE accepting hogwarts headcanon, just because it'll piss rowling off more.
I guess my main issue is how exposition doesn't really feel like a conversation between two people and more like two NPCs in a Cursed Child game giving me backstory. These are all supposed to be big plot points and reveals for character motivations but it doesn't feel like it. Overall the tone is on point. I wish Rose was less 2D she's Hermione's daughter and yet somehow that doesn't seem to be a shadow to be under for this character in the slightest. I don't have the most accurate memory of the movies and books so that's all i can think of that you didn't say already.
Yeah- Rose is often photographed to promote the play like she's part of the main cast, but honestly she's a side character! She's just here for a handful of scenes, and the only thing she does is tell Albus about Time Turner or Ministry rumor she heard about. Albus didn't need her for that, he could have figured it out herself.
Honestly the Cursed Child would be a decent to maybe even good fanfic that could form a little cult community, but not as a high budget, official canon SCREEN PLAY.
It seems " Mess" looks to be a major theme of titles in regards to media that has high points but low points lately. I've seen it be used for a number of things this past month.
I'm very selective about what I consider "canon", in regards to not-even-the-same-medium sequels that were written by different people. I take the parts I like (Albus being Slytherin, Delphini existing, Rose x Scorpius, etc.) while omitting stuff I don't like (Delphini being obsessed with Voldemort, the whole uncomfortable love triangle between Delphi and Albus/Scorpius, Rose being strait-up mean), and replacing them with more entertaining head-canons.
I do the same thing with my Harry Potter canon, though I've thrown out the Cursed Child entirely. I accept the 7 original books and a little bit of outside material here and there, like the book and quill that records the magical children who get to go to Hogwarts, I liked that idea, just whatever seems actually thought through and enhances the world instead of making it worse, but I just pretend the rest of it doesn't exist. It's fiction, and originally great or at least solid and fun franchises get ruined more and more by endlessly putting out sequels and spin offs and remakes that don't make sense or are just lower in quality, so that's what I do to keep myself sane and still enjoy the things I've come to love.
I think one big ball they dropped is not following through in Delphini and Harry having a relationship like Harry had with Sirius and Dumbledore. The parallels are pretty uncanny.Delphini in a fashion is Harry if he had to live with the durselys until adulthood,and never went to Hogwarts and made friends etc. Instead of the lame 'Haha I'm a psychopath like my parents' revelation,they should have just made Delphini a product of her sad upbringing. Raised by someone even more physically/emotionally abusive then the Durselys. Brainwashed by the remnants of her fathers death eater cult to want to avenge Voldemort and Bellatrix by murdering Harry.They should have just wrote her as someone decent at heart but deeply traumatized. Her fervent desire to kill Harry reminds me strongly of when Harry himself once wanted to kill Sirius Black,because he had a skewed version of the story the night his parents died. Basically the same thing here. Delphini has been brainwashed to think that her parents were great people.And that Harry is the evil person that took them away,and prevented her from having a good childhood. They should have paralleled the scene in Prisoner of Azkaban where Harry has Sirius at his mercy,but hesitates and fails to kill him. Only this time Delphini somehow gets the upper hand in the battle against Harry,and yet in the end can't bring her self to cast the killing curse. In the end Delphini could slowly be reformed and deprogrammed.And realize that her parents were evil,while Harry was doing what needed to be done
@@richiefranklin76 I probably wouldn’t mind Delphini if they didn’t make her Voldemort’s daughter. I personally like the idea maybe she’s the daughter of a death eater either that died during the battle of hogwarts, or was arrested or killed during Harry’s early days as a auror. But timing wise, the only time Bellatrix could’ve been pregnant was during half blood prince, and even then that was only cause HBC was pregnant during filming. Idk, Voldemort is one of those people I couldn’t see having a kid, let alone actually doing it with someone. Who knows, maybe him and Bellatrix did some SRA.
I swear to god, every video Hezu makes is so entertaining. It makes me feel so happy every time she releases a new one cause I know it will be an hour of just pure joy and fun!
So, I just saw this yesterday. Funny thing, they changed the Scorpius asking Rose out bit. Instead of him asking her out, he asked her to be his friend. Whole "pity leads to eventual marriage" thing was also changed to friendship. The Polly conversation was also cut, Rose came back after this, and they continued on as normal. I can't remember if she called him Scorpion King, I don't think she did. I haven't read the script since it first came out, so I was shocked by the original dialog. I'm just going to ignore the original version. Scorpius didn't ask Rose out, instead they become eventual friends and she's stuck being a third wheel as Scorpius and Albus fall in love with each other.
I enjoyed how you broke down the book. You really were thorough in how things made or didn't make sense. I really enjoyed your video and keep up the good work, Hezu!
IDK, man. As a person who read all 7 books, "HP and the Cursed Child" made my head hurt. Like, a lot. Because of how stupid and sometimes cringy some moments were. Time traveling, the fact that Cedric (a pretty great and kind guy) became Death Eater, the fact that Voldemort had a child, the fact that Severus was still alive (even though he was killed by Voldemort), the fact that Albus disguised as Ron kissed his own aunt (Imagine being 14 and read how Harry's son kisses Hermione) the fact that Hermione was black and J.K just "forgot" to mention it and etc. I dropped the book half way through, I think.
1:11:45 _Suddenly there's a smashing and Albus and Delphi fall out of the shelves and down to the floor_ Delphi: Wow. Quite a ride. Okay, I'm now thoroughly convinced this whole play was originally supposed to just be a smutty fanfic.
I personally loved the screenplay, but *I LOVED YOUR BREAKDOWN OF THE STORY AND* (some of) *YOUR OWN IDEAS WAY MORE!!!* and you're right. It *is* basically what happened.
Reasons why I hate this play/book (I read the book) 1. Hermione hated being teased for being a 'mudblood'. Wouldn't she teach rose to be compassionate, and not judge people without really knowing them? 2.Mcgonagal would NEVER let harry be this rude to her 3. Delphi litterally looks like someone's oc 4. ron almost died because of a love potion! and he just lightly mails one to albus?!??!! 5.rose got angry and didn't talk to albus for years BECAUSE HE MADE FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE SHE DIDN'T LIKE??? SERIOUSLY???? as amos diggory once said, 'the once great harry potter; now a stone- cold ministry man'
I still like TCC because it was my gay awakening. It was the first gay ship I ever shipped and I was obsessed with it during a crucial point of my life
I just find it funny that Malfoy's Kid is smitten (atleast in the open) with the child of two out three people he hated for just being a weasly and a mudblood that is hylarious in content, however Scorpius No, means No don't push your luck
This was a great analysis of the play! I listened to the whole thing while driving to school and was very invested! Now I wanna read a ‘fix-it’ fic of The Cursed Child if it exists.
58:45 To be fair, at the end of the last movie: Scorpius, Albus, and Rose all get in the same compartment and they seem to be having a good time together. So... IDK what happened.