Exactly. You may look at rhythmic gymnast Caroline Weber (before 2012) and Melitina Staniouta (reversed version, with one more combination). She did that in almost all her routines before 2016
Everything is so trick oriented that often form is lacking. I miss the old days when artistry and form counted for something. Now it's just connections & tricks.
Yes. If I see another wolf turn, I'm gonna go cray. Where are the Onodis? The skilled turns? The whip to triple twist? There is no artistry, just acrobatics...no flow. We need another Nastia Liukin or Mustafina/Komova/Grishina (or at least even a Huang Huidan or Gabby Douglas). Every bar routine is a carbon copy of each other...no one is going for difficult vaults as their default, just DTYs. Everything is muscled and sorry, but the girls are looking heavier than ever and it translates to the routines.
Simone added a new skill with 0.1 increase in difficulty. It’s the FIG that has become stale and predictable. They are the reason progress in gymnastics has stalled with their ridiculous system of deductions.
That is one way I like a wolf turn! That one has evolved! I did wolf turns in the 1960s and they are still performed the same way!!! Let’s get creative gals! No more plain wolf turns! Especially 2 in a row I don’t care how many you can throw!!!!!
I think the whole concept of different style spins on the same leg connected is missing yet can be beautiful and difficult. For example doing L-turns and lowering the leg into passé turns.
This is really popular in rhythmic gymnastics! One of my favorite turns ever is the cossack turn (wolf turn) to penche turn, which you can see in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RnlbAA8kKw0.html at around 0:55. Really beautiful but requires so much strength and balance. I've also seen cossack/wolf turns that flow into scorpion and passe turns, back attitude and L-turns into passe turns and Y-split turns, etc. It would be amazing to see an artistic gymnast attempt something like that, but sadly many coaches do not put much emphasis on dance elements, even though I personally think they are just as flashy and difficult as tumbling skills.
Aliya Mustafina tried to connect an attitude turn into a double Y turn. She never fully hit it, but I think it could have been one of the most beautiful combos on one leg.
@@saitierus.5023 That was stunning from Staniouta - thank you for sharing that. Totally agree it would be amazing to see somebody attempt this sort of element - hopefully FIG encourages more dance with higher difficulty next quad.
@@You-dh1du Similar to this? See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zz2H5fTVkUw.html at 0:45. It's an arabesque turn into Y turn, but it's similar. Literally perfectly executed, too.
Yes it has. It needs its artistry back. When i watch gymnastics from the 80's especially the old USSR, the extension is the most beautiful to watch. Id like to see all these world class gymnastics do a basic backwalker over on floor with full extension coming out up on releve, most would not be able to as flexibility is not as valued. There needs to be alot done, its to trick based at the moment. Id also like to see the leotards become a little more elegant, seems to be alot of arse hanging out these days.
Isn't it more easier without adding FHS as it's one more element, so gymnast can mess up it or not gain so much power/speed? I'm an amateur though, but for me front saltos are easier from running only rather than adding FHS...
@@demonsalwayswin I understand what you mean, but elite gymnasts have had so much practice doing front handsprings that they rarely mess them up. It's a lot like back handsprings, before you master your back handspring, it's easier to do a back tuck from a roundoff, but since elite gymnasts have perfected their back handspring, they gain more power from it instead of losing power.
The Nguyen takes a page out of rhytmic gymnastics and add some elegance to the very usual and very routine wolf turn. Artistic gymnast should take a look more to rhythmic gymnast on how they pull a gorgeous wolf turn
***unpopular opinion*** Part of me doesn’t hate when many gymnasts throw the same skills because it kind of makes it easier to see the differences of when something is performed well and when it’s not. Example: double pike dismount on beam, DTY on vault, etc
Interesting you should say that - that was exactly the point of compulsory exercises - to see everyone doing the same skills sorts the wheat from the chaff, essentially. These routines comprised skills that had to be done perfectly. Then you had the 'optional' routines, where the gymnast could show their 'special skills' in order to stand out from the crowd.
Honesty?! Maybe it's not a big acrobatic skill OR rated very high (even though that looks REALLLLLY HARD to pull off gracefully!!!) Im LOVING the NGUYEN!!! I soooo want to see more gymnasts do this!! It's gorgeous! (And AGAIN- definitely deserves more points!) Like, how hard must it be to perform what looks almost like a FIGURE SKATING move on a 12x12m matted FLOOR?! I love it!
Very boring and predictable. Watching a competition on TV, you’re looking literally to the same routines over and over, some with lil’ less difficulty than others but basically the same.
All rare, and most super difficult, but undervalued. Upping the D-score might encourage more gymnasts to try, but attempting a difficult skill for little payoff isn’t worth it. E.g., double front piked is the same difficulty as a double layout.
The movement "The Dowell" looks a lot like "Dos Santos" presented in 2003 in the floor final of the World Gymnastics Championships by Brazilian Daiane dos Santos.
@@airtonpaiva5389 A primeira vez que Daiane apresentou esse movimento foi em 2003 em uma copa do mundo. Inclusive foi o melhor Duplo Twist Esticado que ela apresentou até o fim da sua carreira.
The FIG has stripped gymnastics of all artistry, creativity, originality, and enjoyment. I don't even tune in anymore because they're not fun to watch anymore. Everything looks the same. Gymnastics routines in the 70's to early 90's were way more fun and more interesting to watch.
I'm doing a cat leap 1/1 in my NAIGC adults excel routine this year! Switch leap - cat full. I also do a wolf full, pike 180* shushanova. I'm all about the old school moves
Credited is probably a better term than created here. Viktoria Wagner was the first to actually attempt the front double pike all the way back in 2006 but never got it credited at Olympics/Worlds, and she did it without the FHS as well
Has it become predictable and boring? Yes. All the gymnasts preform the same elements/demonstrate they have the required skills - and that's it. Then they get their points and a winner is established. Nothing new to see, here. May just as well read who won in the news.
The slow decline in the creative artistry of gymnastics has made it a bit predictable. I don't mind some power jumpers but it does come off as lacking a bit of grace.
Interesting to say they created the skill even though the men had been performing them long before. There's no problem in saying they were the first to perform it, it's just as impressive.
front tumbling in general over the last 15 years has gone out of style imo, i believe mostly because before gymnasts could lunge out of it, now they need to cold stick landings
Only in the National Association for Intercollegiate Gymnastics Clubs (NAIGC). In NAIGC, gymnasts can compete in the “Open Division,” where men can do any mixture of men’s and women’s events and vice versa. Some gymnasts even compete in the “Decathlon,” where men and women can attempt to compete all 10 events (6 men, 4 women) in one competition. It’s very impressive. You should try to find videos on RU-vid!
If I'm not mistaken, one or two of the Romanian gymnasts performed the Cojocar during the Euros 2020 in Mersin, could be Stanciulescu, Duta, or Sfiringu.
The Nguyen is really pretty! I HATE wolf turns, but ending in that position is unique, and paired with good choreo would be lovely! It shows serious muscle control, strength, and balance.
Brenna Dowell didn't create the forward double pike, she got it named after herself. Here is Veronica Wagner competing it Euros in 2006 for example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MYp_oRnses8.html
There's definitely some piking going on. We can all see that. Judges are much more critical (and fans are often also more critical) than they were nearly 20 years ago when she debuted the skill... they were still using the 10.0 system even. lol While you wouldn't see a gymnast perform it like that today, according the standards of her era she did a dos Santos II.
true, 2016 to 2021 was boring, i love floor event and i was disappointed by the level of the gymnast, to many (double tuck, turn wolf or simple tumbling pass to secured execution)
Can someone please explain to me what the ratings mean? I enjoy watching gymnastics but I know nothing about the technical elements or how competition scoring works
