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Has Microsoft Been Scamming Me? Renaisser Alternative to the Surface Type Cover 

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@Saintathantwinpeaks
@Saintathantwinpeaks Год назад
"I frankly can't speak English very well" 👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
@petermacdetroit
@petermacdetroit Год назад
Your review is spot on to my experience using the Renaisser. Biggest frustrations are the incredibly stiff press on the touchpad, the flimsy magnets that don't hold the board to the screen. I'm using a Surface Pro X with more viewable screen space. The company claims the keyboard will work with SP 8, 9, and X but, to be kind, I think they were a bit optimistic designing a board for all three. In fact, the board blocks a small bit of the screen at the bottom. A positive note on the magnets - when I physically flexed the top of the board to make it more pliable it seems to hold much, much better to the screen. The other issues you noted - not turning the screen off when closed and the delay (latency) in connecting to the Pro are not deal killers. However, Renaisser should have a keyboard setting that enables to turn off any power saving mode. I do wonder if the other issues related to F keys, etc. have more to do with royalties and copyright infringements than a designer/engineer overlooking the obvious. Cheers and keep up the solid reviews.
@IkechukwuA1
@IkechukwuA1 Год назад
Nice review. Very transparent. Answered all my questions. I think I'll go with the signature keyboard!
@HypnoToad248
@HypnoToad248 Год назад
A very thorough and informative video and it was just what I was looking for. Thank you very much :-)
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Thank you! Happy to help!
@PavelCrisostomo
@PavelCrisostomo Год назад
Love the genuine way you did it
@mateooo1230
@mateooo1230 Год назад
I perfectly agree, we’re paying for at least $1,000 for the surface alone, plus the stylus pen plus keyboard separately.. I spent at least close to $1,500 for my hubby’s surface and the separate accessories.😮
@TransConBrilliance
@TransConBrilliance Год назад
The biggest thing that I think people don't get is that Microsoft is actually doing you a great service by separating the purchase of the keyboard and pen. I certainly have saved money. When I upgrade to a new surface I don't have to buy a new pen and keyboard. And since many iteration of surfaces came and went before they upgraded the typecover and pen really gives you the benefit of buying a premium 2 in 1 for less than other premium laptops .
@sloppynyuszi
@sloppynyuszi Год назад
Have you tried selling your old surface without a keyboard and pen? It’s not easy. My main issue though isn’t this. It’s the alcantera keyboard. That stuff wears off and gets grimes after a lot of use. I’m also not the biggest fan of how the pen charges. I don’t think there is a nice plastic keyboard that I can wipe off when it gets a bit dusty. If there is I haven’t found it.
@EleroyGreen
@EleroyGreen Год назад
Except they changed the design starting from surface pro 8, so those old keyboards won't work anymore.
@michaelcorcoran8768
@michaelcorcoran8768 9 месяцев назад
I think that would be a better argument if the prices were more reasonable. Is ninety percent of people want the keyboard. I think it's just a clever way for them. To be able to tease lower introductive prices.
@amirsheikh6439
@amirsheikh6439 Год назад
Great review ❤
@dalekstrauss
@dalekstrauss Год назад
Good review, but I have the same objection as many other Surface Pro reviews - the complaint about paying "extra" for keyboard and pen is a red herring. The closest competitor is not any other laptop, but the iPad Pro (especially 12.9") for an ultra portable tablet that is also a laptop replacement. Main difference - SP is "laptop" first and iPad is "tablet" first. Since iPadOS 15, a keyboard and Apple Pencil are near necessities as well, and the Magic Keyboard ($349) and pencil ($129) are substantially more expensive than Signature Keyboard plus Slim Pen 2 ($279 for BOTH); and the later (with keyboard tray/charger) is far superior to the magnet only Apple Pencil.
@lukecoverdale3861
@lukecoverdale3861 Год назад
Agree, I use a bluetooth keyboard which looks identical to the surface pro type cover but the upside is it only cost me £35 and I can use it with the keyboard not being attached to the surface which makes it more flexible to use, plus I can use it with other devices. Its also backlit.
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Nice!
@doaflamingo3713
@doaflamingo3713 Год назад
to overcome this, they made the pen charge only with the keyboard and a stupid accessory if you dont wanna buy the keyboard
@patrickfoster9469
@patrickfoster9469 Год назад
Thank you first method worked!
@auxod3219
@auxod3219 Год назад
The reason I avoid Bluetooth devices such as keyboards or earphones is that you have to charge it, just another one in your suite. It is highly more easy to use your accessories if you don't have to charge them regularly.
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
I understand, but this isn't like earphones that you need to charge weekly. Some of these keyboards can last several weeks on a charge and only take a few minutes to top up
@DanielHarrisCodes
@DanielHarrisCodes Год назад
@@innoiso to me whether it’s a surface pro or an iPad Pro you may as well go the whole hog and buy official. If you aren’t using the device to make money in your work or business then anything as expensive as a Surface Pro or iPad Pro is a massive indulgence and probably not needed in the first place.
@PavelCrisostomo
@PavelCrisostomo Год назад
I have one for my surface pro 3 and one charge last more than a month if I don't go turn the keylights one
@mziaeem
@mziaeem Год назад
Hi, Thank you for your nice video. I have a surface signature keyboard with slim pen 2 and surface pro 8. when I plug my tablet to power or unplug it, the system shows me pen menu instantly like when you take the slim pen from its storage. Can you test it on your surface? I want to know is it normal behavior in surface devices?
@carlitomilan235
@carlitomilan235 Год назад
you are a life saver (money saver) I was ready to buy the whole Microsoft bundle (pen & keyboard) I wont after seeing your video! great job!😀
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Hope it goes well!
@freddynz
@freddynz Год назад
thankyou for the review, if i pick up a pro 8/9/X then i will probably get this over the Microsoft one, simply due to price. The mouse click doesn't bother me as i always use "tap to click" anyway..... I wouldn't mind you doing a separate or more in-depth look at the pen, specifically how it compares to the Microsoft pen (which is more direct input than bluetooth). Also does the pen for previous models work with the 8, and of so does it fit in the slot provided by this keyboard?
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
There's a noticeable amount of latency and I just love the slim pen so much. It is nice that the eraser works, just like on the slim pen, but if I had to save a buck, I might just go with an older non-slim Surface Pen on discount.
@ccroy2001
@ccroy2001 Год назад
More than once I thought of using the MS typecover detached so I like that this one can do that. It would be a tough sell for me though. I've bought 2 Surfaces and each time I got a bundle that reduced the price of the typecover and pen.
@DanielHarrisCodes
@DanielHarrisCodes Год назад
Once upon a time MS had an adapter to let you use the type cover over Bluetooth
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Hmm 😏 if only someone could cover such an adapter in an upcoming video
@Muzikman127
@Muzikman127 Год назад
@@innoiso any time soon? :D
@Muzikman127
@Muzikman127 Год назад
@@innoiso also, what's the name of a the product, googling for surface pro keyboard/type cover bluetooth adaptors doesn't bring anything up for me
@freddynz
@freddynz Год назад
I’m at work and can’t watch it atm, but just quickly, the Pro 8 is on special here atm (New Zealand), and I considered picking one up… but then I saw the price of keyboard and pen… $500 !! And closed the website…. That’s Apple level of excessive markup ! So I look forward to watching this after work…
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Yep the first party keyboard and pen combo are very expensive!
@chih-yulin4309
@chih-yulin4309 Год назад
Great alternative option! But can this keyboard charge through the surface pro connector? And what if it runs out of battery can it be use when connect to surface pro connector without cahrging? Because to bring another keyboard charger is not convenient.
@DJAugAceP
@DJAugAceP Год назад
That Renaisser keyboard requires a separate charger. Not 100% sure if it has USB C end so u theoretically can charge keyboard via Surface USB ports while charging Surface with its own charger...
@DJAugAceP
@DJAugAceP Год назад
I just purchased my first Surface Pro 9. My question is: do these keyboards physically touch the screen? I just want to know if closing the keyboard especially when you use external cover leads to scratching of the Surface screen.
@iuristasiv9360
@iuristasiv9360 Год назад
Nope, my type cover never scratched the screen, plus the material is Alcantara
@theniceneighbor
@theniceneighbor Год назад
this is a good review.
@DanielHarrisCodes
@DanielHarrisCodes Год назад
People need to move on from the keyboard not being included. My keyboards have always lasted multiple surface pro generations and I don’t personally want prices pushed up and extra keyboards lying around. There’s often really good bundles with a keyboard on Amazon or Costco that people can buy. People can argue the keyboard is essential all they want but MS aren’t ever going to include one without bumping the price. Alternatives are available of course plenty on Amazon etc and have been for years. I really can’t see the problem. This video is good and great you are raising awareness of alternatives but I don’t think we need to keep complaining that the keyboard isn’t included when we know it isn’t. They also aren’t that expensive IMO, considering how much an Apple iPad keyboard would be
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
I don't want Microsoft to mark up products at the same level as Apple does though, or even close. And I can go without the Magic Keyboard but I can't go without the Type Cover. It is good that they carry over the same design and I figure the Surface Pro 9 will have a similar design so the keyboard will work. Hopefully other alternatives can continue to get better, Renaisser seems to be listening to feedback!
@kareemsabir1092
@kareemsabir1092 Год назад
the connection of the original keyboard keeps getting a shortage after about a year of use so i actually would prefer the bluetooth connection instead. any longterm/durability review of this product?
@michaelt9144
@michaelt9144 3 месяца назад
Yes, this is what bugs me. My Surface Pro 3 type cover lasted about a year (I'm still using the actual Surface Pro 3 device so no complaints there) and my Surface Pro 8, even less.
@liamcollinson5695
@liamcollinson5695 Год назад
I agree type covers are expensive and I'm a bit salty the Microsoft continue to call the surface pro a laptop without actually including one
@Niibaah
@Niibaah 9 месяцев назад
Its expensive and it also not very durable. I have surface pro 7 since ,2020 and the keyboard is ruined. I have another laptop from 2018 and still working
@firesoul453
@firesoul453 Год назад
I dont want to have a keyboard that has a battery and needs charged. If it can't be powered by the pins, then it's not worth the hassle.
@suekarlin4646
@suekarlin4646 2 месяца назад
Can we use this keyboard for surface pro 7 and what type of material is this made up of ? Is this alacantara?
@innoiso
@innoiso 2 месяца назад
It's more plasticky than the Surface keyboard. And yes you can use it with the Surface Pro 7 since it's Bluetooth
@Dragonblaster1
@Dragonblaster1 7 месяцев назад
“Renaisser” (REN-ess-ay) sort of means “to be reborn”.
@innoiso
@innoiso 7 месяцев назад
Ahhh! Thank you!
@papa-dt1cv
@papa-dt1cv 6 месяцев назад
Original keyboard skin, so easy affected by wear and tear faster than other keyboard..?
@user-to2nd9hs2w
@user-to2nd9hs2w Месяц назад
100% correct.
@SP-bw3zp
@SP-bw3zp 8 месяцев назад
Good video
@wilhelmpaulm
@wilhelmpaulm Год назад
They probably removed it so they don't have to add a battery to the surface pro cover, that's the weight with the dupe keyboard
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
It feels just a bit heavier but the amount of battery required to drive a keyboard is pretty minimal
@andrebarros1718
@andrebarros1718 Год назад
10:25 Do you guys really click down on trackpads? I just tap, it's faster and less tiring. What is the advantage of clicking over gently tapping?
@innoiso
@innoiso Год назад
Kinda like a keyboard, I like the physical feedback of knowing I clicked.
@andrebarros1718
@andrebarros1718 Год назад
​@@innoiso It's funny... I had even forgotten my trackpad has mechanical buttons... until you mentioned this is an essential feature for you.
@terrycarlton6991
@terrycarlton6991 Год назад
That feature you don't care about adds to the cost of the MS typecover
@BillDyszel
@BillDyszel Год назад
Microsoft type covers are not only expensive, they wear out fast. The cloth covering frays and tears quickly. Most keyboards outlast the computers they come with, not MS. Why put a fabric cover on a $150 keyboard?
@larazeesk7080
@larazeesk7080 Год назад
I buy Surface Pro X 1876s for $20 each from a guy who gets them all the time -
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