Has the standard FALLEN since Lionel Messi & Cristiano Ronaldo LEFT? 🤔 | ESPN FC Extra Time 

Using Messi, Ronaldo as a click bait & not even having a minute long segment of it. Is just annoying nowadays

I've seen tweets crying that ballon d'or favourites nowadays don't score as many goals every season as Messi and CR7 Well it's because Messi and Ronaldo made 50 goal seasons look like a normal thing

Messi and Ronaldo made 50/20 seasons look normal

The standard is not fallen. It went back to normal, before Messi and ronaldo era

Messi and Ronaldo were incredible. To be so consistent for sooo long.

it's mad that Messi once finished 5th in the d'or rankings with like 80G/A

Wow. So exactly *23 seconds* of this video is about the title. Click bait much, ESPN? 🙃

Having Messi and Ronaldo in Spain at the same time, playing with the world's two most iconic, successful clubs, made La Liga the most exciting league in the world. Having Zidane, Figo, etc in the same league didn't hurt either.

These both are literally out if the world, both are monsters. Sauid league and MLS gaind popularity because of them.

I can't find a youngster nowadays who is complete as like Messi and Ronaldo were. complete by both performance and achievements. The greatest players of the greatest era of the greatest sport.

Ngl both of them are performing far far better than most of the youngsters rn. Ppl always comes up with the league they play but forgetting thier age. 39 and 36. Considering both of thier age , both are still class 🐐🐐

This is what you don’t compare anyone to Messi and Ronaldo. Dumb discussions like this come up.

Football will never be the same again.. The biggest rivalry in football is Messi-Ronaldo rivalry..Being on top for 10 years going against each other, pushing each other to heights no player could ever dream of again

CR and Messi were something else, out of this world!! ...Its all easy to cope with, unless you have no idea about football! 🤷‍♂️

I miss those days 2010 to 2018 when we watched messi and ronaldo performing every week at top level. Those days were taken for granted. Miss them so much now 😢. It was an absolute treat

If people think bellingham is between the top 5 players the standard definitely drop

These 2 extraordinary players have warped our minds on the expectations and limits of a player.. They've completely changed how we view players abilities and it'll take a very long time to get used to time before Messi and Ronaldo again when 20 goals per season wasn't considered merrr

Simple answer is yes in terms of individual performances and that cannot be denied nor argued

La Liga standard has definitely dropped (besides Real Madrid).

Well Haaland score 40+ goals last season and won a treble. Has 39 G/A in 39 games this season. Mbappe and Kane numbers are also really impressive.

You can actually call the Ligue 1 and Bundesliga farmers leagues because one team has wayyyy more resources than the others But for the PL to be a farmers league (City winning 6 in 7 years ) when you have 7 other teams that have the same recourses as Man City is EMBARRASSING

Ronaldo and Messi’s rivalry brought football to another level. There are still debating who is the GOAT between them till forever in this greatest sport in the world

The fact city got €40 mil for Palmer was perfect business It just turns out it was also perfect business for Chelsea

It's not Seb you have to worry about Dan, it's that Kay Murray, she's got your number 😂

Cole Palmer's brilliance at Chelsea has been amazing as no one expected him to have this good of a season, 24 goals 17 assists 41 G/A in all competitions, 22 goals and 10 assists 32 G/A in the premier league alone 2nd top scorer in the league despite not being a striker and is top 5 in assists as well, but Manchester City made the right call in getting rid of him last summer. The reason for that is because he was barely getting game time, he was in a team that was guaranteed to win trophies, and that's important in a player's career, he didn't want to be a benchwarmer and even when he was expected to have a bigger role this season, he knew that he still won't play a lot and he was asking to leave for 2 seasons. His decision to leave Manchester City was a brave risk and a gamble that paid off because even though he was on a proper team managed by Pep Guardiola and a side that wins trophies, he felt as if he would benefit with a bigger role on Chelsea on a much weaker side who have seen attackers struggle there time and time again. Who would've thought that he'd explode this season. The numbers that he has produced this season is staggering, he's been carrying Chelsea all season and without him they would be be in 15th place and he's a contender for premier league player of the season and he'll make the England squad at the EUROs and Gareth Southgate might consider starting him. Manchester City made the right decision in selling as he didn't want to be there. With Palmer in this form imagine him in the current City team alongside Erling Haaland and Phil Foden in attack with Kevin De Bruyne behind them.

30 G/A gets you into the Ballon D'Or conversation now. Messi almost had 80 G/A in 2018 and finished 5th

Cristiano Ronaldo this season: 53 goals⚽️ 14 assists🅰️ Lionel Messi this season: 23 goals⚽️ 15 assists🅰️ Ronaldo at 39 has twice the numbers than the Ballon D’or 2024 favourites and Messi despite having a big break in mid season still has similar numbers. The level indeed fell off significantly and don’t come with the BS that oh it’s Saudi and USA only come when someone else put the same numbers as these two goats putting it because no one else is doing it except them🐐🐐

I think that voters fatigue has had a negative impact on the Ballon Dor in recent years. More people will appreciate Messi and Ronaldo now than they did years ago especially when it came to the Ballon Dor because people got tired of both of them winning this award every time and people wanted to see a different winner. Both of them won a combined total of 13 Ballon Dors meanwhile some players have 1 or haven’t even won a Ballon Dor. Now both of them don’t play in Europe anymore as one is in the MLS and the other is in Saudi Arabia meaning that the Ballon Dor is open and anybody can be the best player in the world. If one of Kylian Mbappe Erling Haaland Jude Bellingham and Vinicius Junior wins the Ballon Dor people will say “football has dropped off”. Why, because according to fans Mbappe plays in a farmers league, Haaland is a “tap in merchant”, Bellingham lives off of Madrid PR always ghosting in big games, and Vini is very provocative and annoying. People wanted to see a new face and a different player be the best in the world, now people say that football is boring without Messi and Ronaldo and in some sense it’s true that at times we did take their greatness for granted especially since we spent too much time comparing them. The Ballon Dor in some sense is dropping off in recent years and when Messi and Ronaldo were at their peak, I like how the Ballon Dor was decided between the 2. Both of them put up 50+ goals identical stats, the only way to differentiate them in a given season and decided the best player in the world between the 2 is off of who won more trophies and that was fair. Now, anyone can win the Ballon Dor and be the best player in the world because they played on a team that won a lot of trophies even though they weren’t even the best player on that team throughout the season. Their greatness will be appreciated much more in the coming years because in their own way they’re irreplaceable.

Yes Messi but no Ronaldo. CR9 was one of my favorite but honestly not at Messi level. There was Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo Nazario and then there was Messi. CR9 is not on this level.

yes level dropped hard, only mercinaries. messi was the last dog. on top you had also robben, ribery, falcao, sneider, hazard etc pulling not so far from messi ronaldo.

Without doubt.

Yes it has. No one deserves the ballon d or this year. No one comes close to what they did

I only watched 10-15 sec of this entire clip. You guessed it correctly. Congratulation!!

LaLiga definitely fell in quality. Madrid for me is almost as strong as Ronaldo days, it's just that they play more like a team now redistributing the goals around the team, but probably will go back to playing for Mbape when/if he joins. Atletico is pretty much same as always, tho a big revamp is coming their way, as a lot of main players getting old, and others not working out for them. Barcelona has fallen off badly, with a lot of decisions to be made in the summer, and Lewandowski replacement needed. Valencia is a ruin. Villarreal sold their best players and bought no one. Sevilla is a shadow of it's former self which is a pity. They always sell their best players and try to replace on the cheap, but got caught this time. Girona, Bilbao, Sociedad and Betis are good teams but that's it. But if you look across all of the big leagues the situation is the same everywhere. Just look at England, and teams like Pool, Chelsea, UTD etc.. In Germany Bayern are all messed up, In Italy Juve and Milan, In France PSG are not what they used to be as well.

Obviously the standard has fallen because nobody is as good as them, and we won’t see anyone as good as Messi and ronaldo for many years to come

The title of the video is off🤨

2015-16 season in La Liga 6 players score over 20+ goals or more (Cristiano Ronaldo Lionel Messi Neymar Luis Suarez Karim Benzema Antoine Griezmann and Aduriz), Gareth Bale was a goal away from achieving this feat and would’ve had it not been for injuries. The numbers that Messi and Ronaldo were putting up on a season basis battling it out with each other scoring goals for fun I miss those days and we’ll never seen anything like that again. If you look at the race for the Pichichi top scorer award in La Liga the player who has the most goals in the league is Artem Doyvbk of Girona with 20 goals, 2nd is Jude Bellingham with 19 goals and he’s a midfielder and started his Real Madrid career with 10 goals in his first 10 league games and a Villarreal player is tied with him. Robert Lewandowski isn’t as prolific as he used to be and even he has a chance to win the Golden Boot for the 2nd season in a row. If this was Messi and Ronaldo at their very best, at this stage of a season they would have around 35-40 goals in La Liga. I can’t think of 2 players who were putting up video game numbers year after year and we grew accustomed to their greatness and the way we view stats is so different because of them. They set a high standards for themselves which does make them a “victim of their own success”. If they had a season where they scored around 25-30 goals that would be seen as an average season for them, but if any player had the exact same season they had, you would see them as a genuine Ballon Dor contender and both of them make these guys look like rookies.

Messi and Ronaldo were something else, in a way you can see football is back to normal but there has been a dip in quality in certain positions (full back, strikers, certain types of midfielders).

Dan makes this show exciting 😂😂

Really good performance today all around.

Dan's hilariously funny 😄😆

No standards haven't fallen ITS SIMPLY THAT QUALITY ISN T AROUND ANYMORE

Put some respect on Lunin name

The EPL was so exciting and on top the twist of FA cup . I'm a man U fan but I enjoyed the ending as well

@7:18 this part is funny, cuz a lot of the best players in the PL came from the bundesliga

Its jus vibes now 😩🤣

To shorten the video, YES

once in a life time rivalry. Its like Mike tyson and King Ali fighting in same era.

goat and cr7 kinda ruined the game for me. now its all about stats not talent, players like xavi, iniesta and zedane would be super underrated with todays fans.

In a word yes. We won’t see that anything like that era again. And they’re still doing it.

When we are older and the new generations have come we will fondly say that we lived during the time when Ronaldo and Messi played. What a privilege it was to watch them.

Not like its a deep field, but still... This is the BEST comedy sports show in the world

As a RM fan, lunin distribution is very poor. Look at courtios yesterday, some huge and massive saves for us. Lunin could save very good but his positioning and distributions are very poor. 🤷‍♂️

Their presence surely missed😢

Pickford does really well for England, even the last euros he played his part in the penalty shootout

Since Messi left Barca football is kinda sheit :)

I think Pep and Mourinho are missing. They made LA much stronger.

I was recently just thinking about it …… Messi and Ronaldo are really phenomenal players 50 goals per season was so normal in their time but so hard to replicate now , but look at how we praise those who average 20 goal contributions a season. The standard has indeed fallen.

I swear Dan is a comedian lol

4:58 Did Ian just say that no team in the history of football has won 4 consecutive League titles after recognizing that finally somebody different won the Bundesliga after 11 years?

For me, the standard fell a long time ago, especially in terms of mentality. That's why it's easier for Real Madrid to win the Champions League than it was a decade, 15 years ago. Everyone just wants the Messis, Ronaldos, Neymar, De Bruynes... Players with the perfect technique, shooting technique. I miss these mentality players ( Roy Kean, Vieira, Gattuso, Drogba) who may not have the technique as the players named above have, but tough fighters, hard players and hard to get down. Those who can also distribute well and skillfully if necessary. Who would not take a CL final loss or any defeat just like that and would also ensure that an important player of the opposing team is carried off the field with a (shoulder) injury.

So true if Cole Palmer produces the same form next season he'll attract the 'Cream of the Crop' the likes of Madrid, Bayern, Man City and Paris Saint-Germain.

at cristiano and messi's time we got used to 50+ goals per season, now we get 30+

Ronaldo and messi in teenage were far better talent than what are we seeing these days now

Shaka doesn’t know anything abt recruiting goalkeepers. Shaka was the same dude who recommended Kepa as a great shot stopper which was never the case. Even today Kepa is not a good goalkeeper. He asked to be loaned to Real Madrid with the hopes of becoming Courtois backup and failed miserably at it too.

Just answer question Craig leave the managerial business to Poch!

hi

*No more clickbait please.* *I forwarded the conversation I didn't even catch the Messi Ronaldo debate*

Well, laliga has proven your point better than anything else. This season, the pachichi is gonna be given to the player scoring 25 goals first😂😂 i remember, as a kid, i used to despise if a player(out of messi and ronaldo ofc) scored less than 50 goals in a season

i don’t think i’ll be alive long enough to see another generation like messi and ronaldo

Till the end of the season poch is just figure thgs out

The standard of the soccer fallen since Messi and Ronaldo left without any doubt. They both proved the high level of the leagues where they play at the end of their careers

Vini is the standard now he is at the levels now for three consecutive season and he isn’t even on his prime

Home ground roof is leaking but the supporters are still with the team when the team doesn't even believe in itself. That's heritage. Just love these man utd fans.

If you compare the standard to the peak years of them sure it has fallen. but compared to the last couple years from them clearly not. messi and ronaldo were not good at all right before they left the european leagues.

The greatest sports men to ever liver after Bolt, of course its gone down

We will never see Messi/Ronaldo brilliance, consistency, numbers, popularity and what is this guy talking about? Cruyff's Barcelona won La Liga 4 Times in a row, Bayern like 10 times, PSG 5 times, Ajax from 2010 also 4 times, Juventus 9 times like 4 in a row isn't an achievement in Football maybe the Premier League and i think winning it 3 times in a row twice is a bigger accomplishment in the Prem.

I love the banter with this group 😂

I don't think standard fallen but not raising anymore there now not such caliber anymore present days

messi and ronaldo setting the bar so high that ppl forgot the game played as a team. this isnt tennis. tbh bar will be back to its place soon. when both finally retired. scoring 50 to even 90goals in a year is just hard. even haland now fall short.

Rather, the owner does not invest more in the team for fear of being relegated. There is a risk. And relegation is unfavorable as it hurts the club's value and popularity. Also, the teams that are going to be relegated anyway have no motivation and nointention of winning. Defeat on purpose (e.g. Sheffield) They gave up on the season and are being relegated.European football leagues must disclose salaries I don't understand why many football fans are against revealing players' contract salaries. I think player salaries are either too low or overrated. I think Haaland's annual salary is over $50 million. Honestly, there is no way the EPL salary would be that low. Does anyone know anything about Mbappe's contract? Why didn't you make it public in the first place? I don't know if it's after tax or before tax. The media always says different things. The same goes for the salaries of Griezmann and Suarez during their time in Barcelona. To begin with, La Liga is not sure whether some players' salaries are before or after tax. Always changing. First of all, the salaries of Messi and Ronaldo from 2011 to 2018 are estimated to be after-tax salaries.) And this is not accurate regarding Messi's contract. Laporta said Messi's salary must be paid until 2025. How much did he get paid? And many believe Mane's wages at Liverpool were £100,000 a week. First of all, Mane's agent said his salary is higher than reported in the media.American leagues disclose salaries. Messi's annual salary for 2023, as revealed by the MLS Players' Association, is $20 million. The base annual salary is $12 million. The media reports that it is over $50 million, but in reality it is much less than this. Conversely, if you look at the wage bill, EPL clubs spend more money than the media reports, with Manchester City spending more than 300 million pounds, and Liverpool and Chelsea spending more than 250 million pounds. (Please disclose player salaries, contracts, and salaries. And why are some people asking (there will be comments asking why I don't disclose my salary, but I'm an ordinary person. Are ordinary people and sports players the same? And there is FFP in European football) La Liga also has a salary cap. If I were a soccer player.I would agree to disclosure of my salary. i am asian. Why do people who are opposed to revealing player salaries say that some players have high or low salaries? Football's wage is It's an estimate and unofficial. . , commentators, coaches, and even other players in the league don't know a player's contract and salary...As a side note, Saudi money is exaggerated. A Saudi reporter said that Benzema's annual salary is $50 million. Jordan Henderson's weekly salary was also not what was reported in the media Team annual salary and reveune were revealed on the UEFA official website. It was revealed that Tottenham spends a whopping 200 million euros and Liverpool spends 300 million euros on player salaries. There is a lot of difference from the media. (It seems like the salary is about 80 to 100 million euros more than the media reports.)psg.Barça spends 500 million euros. Leicester also spent more money than Sevilla in the 2022-23 season (but was relegated) What I'm saying is, please disclose player salaries. Haaland $50m seems right.. EPL salary seems too low. In fact, it seems to have been underreportedTo be honest, if you ask whether the relegation system helps profits and popularity, 99% of people would sayThey say there is a relegation system, why is there FFP? If you don't spend money, your team will become weak and get demoted. Why can't you spend money? What's wrong with the owner's investment?

If vini and Bellingham are our ballon d’or contenders then absolutely the bar is too low.

Its amazing that the question is about Messi AND Ronaldo but Espn puts just the question on Messi in the thumbnail. Really interesting to know how much the messi camp pays Espn for free publicity

Yes the standard has fallen, as a fellow madrista, vini should not be winning ballon d or. The game against Man City is proof. He had an aged Kyle Walker shut him down. You never saw that with CR7 or Messi

all im saying is messi should win the ballon dor this year easy if he has a well copa america, i see no other player having the same individual impact as him. miami even with suarez alva, busquets and other new signings still can´t win a game without messi. no messi no party. and yes standards have declined since messi and ronaldo left europe, now you will be lucky to see a player score more than 30 goals overall in a season, 40 goals a season is back to being an astonishing achievement. it´s crazy how high the bar was raised during that era

Man utd was crowned a staggering 20+ premier league titles compared to Man city's lesser titles. Between the two who's title career is overdominant to deem the league boring? Bearing in mind that city won their first title after 30 huge years !!!

Ronaldo gone actually raised the standards, because football is a team sport, remember?? Goals are not the only standard, and when they count they do for the team not just for a single player, unless you’re a 10 year old and need a hero figure for your fantasies.

How does any reasonable producer, with a modest amount of taste and/or intelligence think that Dan Thomas is the best we can get?

Espn should stop talking about someone they disrespect every time

It has not worked well for man City. Pep has been asked the palmer question every press conference. Man City should regret it everyday

Chelsea ARE one of "the big boys' Craig. What are you on about?!

Palmer simple couldn't get those numbers at city

click bait. 18 min video to talk about the headline for 15 seconds

Saying that Haaland & Mbappé are the new GOATS is disrespectful towards Messi and Penaldo (0 WC knockout goals).

4 times in a row says a lot about the epl . Pep is good but trust me city are spending money bringing in players.

Has MLS standard risen?

Frank labeouf won the World Cup.

"City need to get those financial charges to court as quickly as they can and get it sorted out." Yeah, not like they've been deliberately stalling for the past 3 years. lmao All of City's achievements have asterisks next to them. 115

The greatest Footballer of all Time can only be Messi, Greatest Scorer of all time is C. Ronaldo I wish they had at least two seasons in their prime playing for the same team.

When Chelsea sold Lukaku ,kdb and salah nd won PL but after 2,3 years players improved nd espn made headlines about it ' Chelsea made mistakes 'but city sold palmer and he immediately outperform almost all city players in Chelsea struggling team still espn defending pep . I hope other managers and clubs have same backing like pep , klopp and arteta have