Yeah, Riot makes a tank with a dash and 4 knockups with %max HP dmg, don't know how they thought regular immobile juggernauts would be able to deal with it...
its funny because they actually buffed the shit out of banner for no reason edit: I had an epiphany where I determined that the owner of this comment wrote it because he thought these things were so ridiculous and so far fetched that they would never actually be implemented into the game
Malphas Mikaelson if riot make it 3k gold above. Then no one will build it. It will be hard to build because supports are supports they dont get the same gold as the carries.
+Zarrakon No, it's 440.2 (so 440) at max level (level 18). This is taking into account the current meta build which gives her 167 AP, shield power and Summon Aery (along with the adaptive AP from runes). Without Aery she is still shielding for 328.2 (328). In earlier stages of the game it's: Level 1 = 131 Level 2 = 136 Level 3 = 139 Name one champion in the bot lane that can actually do all of that damage without auto'ing at least three times (due to base armour). Now, when she uses Shurelia's she goes up to 175 AP due to Celerity (and Zephyr's movement AP scaling). As such her shield increases to 332.41 (322) without Aery and 455.41 (so 455) with Aery. Now that that's out of the way I can tell you why people say it's a "700 damage shield", she buys Locket as well. With Locket and WITHOUT Summon Aery or Shurelia's her shield is 428.2 (428 rounded). With Aery and Locket she's shielding for 550.2 (so 550). With Locket and Aery AND Shurelia's activation she is shielding for 565.41 (so 565). It becomes a "700 damage shield" when she either picks up a Mejai's or she acquires Infernal (+Elder Drake) and/or Baron. With Mejai's she is shielding for well over 800, and if we add Infernals and Baron to this she's likely hitting ~1k shield values. Although that's understandable since she has a Mejai's. So tl;dr: (all rounded) Standard shield = 328 Shield with Aery = 440 Shield with Shurelia's active = 332 Shield with Shurelia's active and Aery = 455 Shield+Locket shield = 428 Shield+Locket shield+Aery = 550 Shield+Locket shield+Shurelia's active and Aery = 565 ------------------- Looks like someone forgot that Janna's shield has an AP scaling and Ardent Censer's shield power passive applies to it! Now then, with that maths out of the way I hope you can see why this is obnoxious. With 45% CDR and rank 5 E it's at a 5.5 second cooldown meaning there's a 0.5 second downtime.......That's effectively perma-shielding someone, and for a shield that big that grants at least 45 attack damage as well as Ardent Censer's bonus stats. that is just plain unfair.
Does it matter how strong Janna's shield is? He keeps commenting on every champion instead of checking that he's actually a Jax main, who is super strong, yet all u have to do is right click on him.
"....yet all u have to do is right click on him." someone forgot about the rest of Jax's abilities which he needs to use. It does matter how strong Janna's shield is because atm she's just a shieldbot. Even if you took away the rest of her skills she'd still be sitting at a winrate above 50%. This isn't even me hating Janna, I just want her to be more than a shieldbot. While Jax is certainly strong right now it's not top lane Jax that is overperforming. Jungle tank Jax is the main issue here. Conqueror Jax is good, but he still loses out to peel and most top laners.
Oskar I main nami and I agree, ardent is way too cheap. 8/10 games I have it by about 9 mins in sooner if fed, latest 12 minutes. Futures market makes it too easy to afford, 3-4 ranks in my healing and i'm point and click healing teammates for close to 500 hp every 5 seconds. Ardent/ardent supports NEED to be toned down period. No debate.
This is even worse if you're janna/soraka and can afford to poke more due to low mana costs, spellthief stacks generate even more gold+gold per second+gold from nearby dead minions you didnt attack.
He's not wrong about Janna but Gnar actually had a nerf and powershift recently. Q cooldown reset was nerfed, power was shifted into his Mega form and Frozen Mallet slow was nerfed for ranged carries.
uh..... Do you have any idea how AP scalings work? Add 70% of Janna's endgame AP to that shield, as well as the bonus shield strength she'll get from Redemption and Ardent (and possibly a Mikael's Crucible). AND she can choose to go into Resolve to take the mastery that increases shield power again. You literally have just shown that you have no idea how champions worked
it might be relevant for High elo people. But lets face it. Where all silver here. Gold at best so we have no right to talk. Gnar is obnoxious but you can play around him. Supports on the other hadn are bs. Its not adcs that are op af. its the fucking supports. The mage supports. Janna/Lulu/Soraka being the triplet of hell. Janna Kalista is probably the most gross unkilable piece of shit on this earth.
When Riot fucks their game up so bad that the hash meme becomes reality. Hash's latest rants have been pretty accurate and touches on the frustrations most people have about the game. It's not any one thing, like Janna being a problem since forever, it's a cumulation of many bad decisions by Riot. They do nothing to fix the glaring issues with the game and keep creating new problems, or, as said in the video, almost seem to prefer forcing the negative un-fun aspects of the game on the player. I could honestly put up with all of it, except the fact that this season has (worse than any previous season) become more of a lottery of who has the shittiest player rather than finding the motivation to carry said shitter. It's a miserable game, kind of always has been, but now there's not even a point in trying anymore when it is so unrewarding to do so.
But fun has nothing to do with skill, fun is the gratification you get out of playing the game regardless of the results. if the only time you can have fun in league is through winning then half the time(using my own win rate) you're not having fun. I'm a Support/Top main and the game is not fun when one person can ruin the game for everyone and were then stuck in that game for 15-25 min forced to play so we don't get banned for going afk when we mentally checked out of the game. that high elo "git gud" motivational speak BS does not change the current state of the game where streamer are leaving the game and saying the exact same thing, that the game is not fun anymore.
Riot never even had their way, you idiots. For fuck sake, MOBAs are INHERENTLY unbalanced and impossible to balance. Certain things and certain champs will ALWAYS be broken. ALWAYS! That's the nature of the genre. You cant balance characters that have different stats, scaling and abilities with different effects. It's impossible. There's nothing they can do to fix it, because these issues are unfixable. The only thing they can do is nerf characters into the ground and make them unplayable.
TheCoper COper u fling idiot we don't talk about balance hear we talk about no skilled based champions being better that skilled based while them being overtuned and having op items... o mean even dopa rants about supports
i see you defending janna in every comment , its your right to defend her but defending something that is obviously OP is a stupid thing , just 1 hour ago i almost kill vayne she had like 50 hp left and then boooom a massive shield that covered her whole HP bar for 1.5 sec i was in shock when my ally assasin try to finish her after the shield wears off booom jana ult disengaging the whole fight and adc survived against both a fed toplaner ( me ) and a fizz assasin so now tell me if janna is fair and ballanced after making adc survive with 50 hp against a fed top and mid assasin ....
Realno upravu je za mnoge stvari 100% ja iako sam janna main, ona je super op ako znas da je igras kako treba. Mislim nije sve kao sto kazu pretisnes e i to je to... ja volim da fleshujem u sredinu sa e na sebe i ultijem, ali ako imam retardiranog adc dzaba ti shield i ardent ne mozes opet da budes carry kao support. Moras ipak imati nekog sa mozgom da lejnas... A da kad umre adc naravno blejma tebe posto nisi bacio shield na njega i ako jesi :D
Only 2% of the players play in Diamond or higher, they're not gonna patch the game around those players, shes not that strong in Gold and below, Brand, Zyra and shit like that is far worse there. Even if you have a Janna in Gold if your ADC is bad it doesnt matter.
lordnazzer his logic is that items that give you the stats as good as ardent censor does shouldn't cost less than a wits end. If we compare the two ardent gives me cdr, movement speed, Mana regen, bonus shield power, on hit damage, and ap. Wits end how ever gives me attack speed, mr, and on hit damage. Even though ardent censor is clearly a lot stronger than a wits end, it still cost 100 gold less. Btw I'm just using wits end because it's the first item I thought of
I mean....it's either that or we turn supports into the lower class income earners again, which is probably the right direction. As it stands supports make almost as much as every class in the game up until late game waveclearing and teamfights hit.
The fact that Hashinshin says that stuff for almost his entire career is really cool. Everybody just ignored him and said he just couldn't adapt to the game changes...boy were qe wrong, this guy is just like Queen in the 80s: years ahead of the others
again 90% of the playerbase in in "low elo" and the game is "balanced" around high elo and pro play. what hashinshin is saying is 100% true aswell. it resonates with people and the majority are low elo. so there you go. now go whine about something relevant.
He's right, except for his statement about Dark Harvest (it's possible to play around it only up to the point the enemy reaches 150 stacks: after that, the empowered aa lasts for 5 minutes before expiring).
Well you are right but lets take it like this: you are top, you get counter picked and you get outfarmed and feed the shit out of the enemy laner. The only advantage is that you have kai sa in your team with a good support. Now imagine that she gets fed as 90% of them do, if you were the enemy toplaner, what could you do? you could push the turret but unless you are tryndamere you will get gangbanged and turret will not die, you could go mid and you cant do shit because kai sa can 3v5 with a support and a midlaner(or she will not engage and top turret will fall) or you can outfarm and dont push at all but you will find out that you can get easily dived, kai sa gets free baron and wins game. Now that is toplane in a nutshell. Imo you could play janna top full ap and still be more useful (if you have tanks with engage in ur team) then .. lets say a yasuo or any other top with a pretty big pickrate
Bear in mind that Janna is mostly played by females who really bring down her winrate. In reality she has a winrate much closer to 60% when you look at male players.
The Great Ammuraf i don't think his score really has anything to do with his statements, would he be more "right" if he was 6-1? There would be no difference in what he said, and also imagine it with black screen, just listening to him.. you get my point
It's funny how people are dumb theses days. If the guy is 1/6 he can't be right and Janna is ok. So if he is 13/1 and is like "no dude, listen to me, full ap Illaoi is the best adc in the game" would you trust him ?
Mosab Mousa oh look another hater who ignores the facts that Hashinshin talks about and just focuses on his toxicity because how could a bronze 5 possibly understand how the game works and thinks nothing is wrong with it o:
austin suzuki so how am I bronze 5 ? Or is that the first thing you assume because I disagree with something? He's toxic and always complains about everything, through and through. Yes he tends to be right about somethings, examples are this and bruisers not having a keystone, but considering how he rambles on and on everyday, frankly I would be surprised if he wasn't right once. He's been like this for years, never adapting which is why no one except his fans tend to listen or take anything he says seriously. Try better next time, instead of calling others who disagree bronze 5, it just sounds ridiculous. What I was referring too in my previous comment is how defensive you all got from the persons comment, over joke.
Mosab Mousa Never adapting to what? The game? The meta? Because he wants to play top lane, he said it himself he would stop ranting if riot fixes things yeah ofc he’s not always right he’s not fucking perfect ofc he’s mad at the game cause he doesn’t really enjoy it and plays it for the views nowadays so what if he’s toxic and vents, like almost everyone has been toxic in league and yeah I get it’s excessive sometimes and the comment this guy left I’m sure it had some sincerity to it because a lot of people dislike him
What was so good about the past League? Assassins were so overpowered they could kill tanks. Nidalee could one shot with a Q. Rengar could one hit and you couldn't counter play it.
The role of assassin is to get in, kill fast and get out, if you as assassin go in, fight for 10 seconds then get out you don't play assassins correctly, you are more of a bruiser than assassin, Nidalee was classified as assassin if i am not mistaken, hit Q and take 90-100% of enemy hp, transform, jump in, kill, jump out, transform, throw Q, repeat until you or all enemies die. Janna, Lulu and other shield based supports are balanced as they are, their strength is in their shields, items are not balanced, every champion is OP if you let the player do whatever he wants, but not every champ can nowadays solo carry games, you need to learn to play champions not to counter them, counters mean jackshiet if you don't know how to play champ
I understand him very well. Riot has made changes to a point where it feels like literally every second champion needs to be completely removed. But I have to admit, they've been doing a lot better in recent patches, the question is how long that lasts. He also has excellent taste in music it seems, I'm just realizing that now. Is that Amon Amarth in the background?
One of the worst things about the Janna shield that people tend to forget is that it also GIVES AD. Not just a little. At max rank, she gives 40 AD and it scales with AP. She literally gives her teammates a 1300 AD item instantly.
Coming back to this video 6 years later. Amazing how a champ with such overpowered itemisation was allowed to sit at 56% wr for like 2 years. And in reality, if so many gamer girls weren't playing her the wr would be much higher xD
I'm curious to see how Janna is 2 years from now when they collect all the data from this video. Also, it is amazing how much the entire world changed in the 3 years since this video was made.
*reads title* Oh boy here we go again Edit: I can see where he’s coming from though. Lulu and Janna are my go-to’s when I’m autofilled support. It feels really dumb.
ive always played janna when im brain dead while playing league and also when I just want too sit back and chill and tbh my boy hashinshin is right im surprised about the shield that janna can put to her allies like when the 30+ min mark starts i always have a 500-700 shield that has like an 8 sec cooldown and its stupid, im not even joking
I actually agree with his point, I am a peel support main (Thresh and Blitzcrank) and it gets annoying when I literally have to look for opportunities to get a good hook throughout the entire game but Shielding supports (Janna, Lulu, Karma etc.) takes absolute no brain to play that all you have to do this is use your POINT AND CLICK ability that literally saves your dumbass teammates. I thinj riot should do something about that because if they've done that then ADC mains in general would learn how to position themselves to not get in danger because literally right now all they do is go in front line while their Shield Support do their boring jobs.
