My personal experience exactly mirrors your findings. I had the TS3 however found that whilst distance was god direction was a little too erratic particularly pulls to the left. Went to the TS2 and improvement was instance, the flatter face makes alignment set up easy and performance is incredible. TS2 is an outstanding driver.
Hi James, went over to Ping after buying numerous drivers, TM, Callaway, etc and was fitted for the G410SFT after you had been over with Spriggsy. I love the G410 and am so happy that I am looking to book another visit for 3w 5w & rW in the G410
One thing to think of is that the 410 can be adjusted in more ways. If you put a driver in your bag your going to dial it in. That’s part of the comparison. The Titleist can’t do that, oh well. The Ping offers that so should be tested.
When I got fitted for a driver it came down to the ping 410 and the TS2. Both did well with dispersion, but averaged almost 10 yards more with the ts2. Easy choice.
I have the ping g400 and love it, next year will prbably be upgrade time though. I did use my mates TS2 in dubai this year and was amazed how forgiving it was, which is definitely something i need! Good to see you will be in my area very soon, looking forward to seeing some WA courses, and get up to sun city if you can!
I’m gaming the Cobra F9 with the HZRDUS smoke shaft. Shaft is incredibly stable, ball speed stays up across the entire face, it’s forgiving, AND you can’t beat the lower price point. It replaced my G400 Max, which says alot because I really loved that driver.
I am hitting the ping G400 and love how straight it is. It is not the longest driver I have hit but i would rather play from the fairway than the rough. I hit 10 to 12 fairways a round.
Very entertaining video James. I am using the Ping G400 and I really like the sound and the lower spin rate. I was using the Titleist 913 D2 before that and loved the forgiveness and sound. I found I was losing distance due to a higher spin rate. You seemed to be gaining in confidence with the T2. I love your videos and your great sense of humour.
Be in the market for a fitted driver in the new year so keep the driver head to head reviews coming. Would like to see titliest TS ranges reviewed against callaway and cobra F9.
Good video ... Congrats on hitting 80 K ... You done some videos on the castle tees. Have you tried any of the “gimmick” tees ... the brush, martini, etc to see if you really pick up any distance
My fitted driver is the Callaway Rogue set to 9.5 draw with a Bassara E42 regular flex shaft. During the fitting this was the standout option for me. If it feels right, it is right. Go with your instincts, and if you like it and does what you want you are half way there!
I tested about 6 drivers and the F9 spin was the lowest (for me) then anything else I tried including the Callaway epic flash subzero. Everyone swings differently and at my Handicap strike and dispersion are more important to me
sjmgolf_ break80 i found the spin was soo inconsistent on off centre strikes but dont get me wrong for price point and performance its the best out there.. true everyone swing different but ive heard the more you hit down on the f9 its performs out of this world
Steve Trikilis in my fitting the G410 performed the best in off-center hits BY FAR. I ended up with the F9 because on good hits it crushed everything & went 1/2" shorter on the shaft because it helped me get those center hits more often. I'm a low handicapper though - the Ping is a better driver for most golfers.
James, play the TS2 10.5*, enjoy the feel & forgiveness..... been playing golf for ~45+ years, 9 HCP, walk while playing..... Live in US and play golf at the coast and the foothills, ~1000ft above sea level. Like to hit a high draw. Enjoy your vids, been watching since ~8K subs. Keep up the good reviews, fun preso, and entertaining content!
Love the videos James. You and shields are pretty much the guys who got me watching you tube vids. Would love to see a match up. Btw good video but at 550$ unless your a RU-vid mega star like yourself or insanely rich switching out drivers for 5 yards isn’t for the average joe. 25 maybe but we all know that’s only in taylormade adds of old and a pipe dream.
I used to play a lot of cricket and I find using the driver actually has quite a lot of similarities as to trying to hit a six. Often if I tried to hit it too hard it often didn’t go as far because the timing was out. So for me, I changed my driver swing to concentrate on tempo and timing and I ended up hitting it and extra 15m further and far more consistent.
For 2020, I will be gaming the Ping G400 Max with a 43” Fujikura Vista Pro Shaft. I originally had this shaft fitted with the Ping G SFT, but bought a new G400 Max head off EBay. What an upgrade!! I usually stay a model or two behind because the latest and greatest are just too expensive.
I have a ts2 driver. I loved the feel and sound of it immediately. I have tried the 917’s and 915’s 913’s and 910’s and none compare to the feel and sounds of it as well as the forgiveness of it. I changed around the lie angle settings and found one that suits me. I rarely miss a fairway now and hit it as far as I want to
I'm playing a Ping G LST. I am considering the a change next year but will go and get fitted. James - I'd take 270 straight down the middle any day; don't beat yourself up about gaining 5 yards.
James James James, I'm not a golf instructor but I did just stay in a Holiday Express, oops scratch that last part, but I am an expert in going left off the tee. Just weaken your right hand grip just a tad or until it just nearly feels uncomfortable, then swing hard and it stops going left, mostly.
I had the same problem hitting low hooks.. Put my titleist on C4.. More loft and flat helped me hit a few yard fade and made me hit center face more often...
Hi James, call me mad but I have both, find the Ping more forgiving but both are fairway finders for me. If I could only keep one it would have to be the Ping because of its forgiveness, prefer the Titleist for feel.
I have TS2, G410, SIM, Mavrik, F9, XXIO 9, ST200 and Z785. If I had to pick one it would be the TS2 as the best allrounder. Least fave is Cobra F9 on personal pref rather than performance.
I think you're selling the G410 short by saying all you can change is the loft. Having adjustable/flatter lie angle option is a huge plus it has over any other driver on the market at the moment for me.
@james, I was watching your spin rates with each shot with the Titleist and it dawned on me that your accuracy improves overall with slightly more spin. What's your trade off here? Even your low spin drives with the titleist weren't longer. You had a couple low spin shots, sub 2000 with the Titleist but most were really rather high. 2800-3000 spin. I also think it's your confidence level more than anything. I personally cannot hit Titleist anything. I hate the look of their drivers and they just don't work for me. I love the Ping and I can absolutely rip it, but I was so comfortable over the Ping from the first shot because of how it looked. It didn't look flat like the Callaway, Titlest or the M5. I think it's 90% confidence/preference and 10% getting the right shaft in the head. Oh and BTW, you need to get fit for swing weight. Off the shelf clubs are never swing weighted for you. Most good ball strikers need slightly heavier swing weight so you can feel the head more through-out the swing. I think you should try something in the D6 or heavier setup in the driver.
Switched to TS2 last year from 915. Ball speed went from mid 150’s to low to mid 160’s, with identical swing speeds (112 to 114) also much more accurate. 9.5 delofted .75 and PX evenflow stiff.
I picked up the TS2 2 months ago. I really like the way it looks behind the ball and it felt and sounded great to me and have me that bit more of confidence in being able to hit the ball, I've been seeing me a lot fairways now.
11/30/19 Ps. (Sorry it's a bit long) The reason I've chose the TS2 was from watching your TS3/TS2 fitting as well as the reviews of Peter Finch, Rick Shields, Ali Taylor, Michael Newton and Clay Ballard for the in depth training videos he does. Most of you guys seem to like the TS3 because of the distance in my opinion because you can tweak and fit it to your specs and correct and control your shots, but I was noticing a pattern of consistancy in the dispersion for the TS2 compaired to the TS3 and it was tighter towards the green. Knowing I am a high handicapper and your guys are pros, I looked at when you guys hit off line shots with the TS3 compared to the off shots with the TS2 it was still a bit tighter grouping with the TS2 and I did notice you all did lose a bit of distance with the TS2 but I am looking for consistency to be able to land it in a fairway and I figured I can make that distance issue up with my long irons on my par 4s and par 5s in which did work for me. All the off shots you all made with the TS2 would be my possibly my good shots on a great day, so I figured that the the TS2 would be the wiser choice for even my horrific bad shots. I would be spending more money on balls trying to hit that TS3 straight if I could hit it well at all. I did the same thing choosing my new Taylormade P760s in a regular flex shaft instead of the stiff flex I had I my Nike Vapor Pro Combo set I was using badly and I managed to drop from 126 strokes to 115 strokes first time out with the brand new bag change P760s and new TS2 driver and TS2 3 wood. My short game is my stroke issue, putting to be exact and it is now my priority. Thank you all very much for the awesome tutorials and awesome content and helping me enjoy golf more and essentially play better golf.
Got fitted this year and was hoping/looking for the Cobra F9 ended up trying that plus callaway, titleist, Wilson, TaylorMade and finalwalked our with the Ping G410 SFT........what a club it is and very forgiving (which I need!) Again another great video and what happened with the M5 in the end, you changing to the TS2??
The Ping G410 is the most forgiving, most accurate, and longest driver (considering the forgiveness factor). Instead of hitting it 290 out of bounds, you can play it 285 with the Ping in the middle of the fairway.
Keith Kaminski he’s gonna take the driver that’s longest like he always does. The Ping is just so easy to hit it’s ridiculous. Yes he should play with a flat setting
Good luck on finding another driver. I’m in the market for a new driver as well. I love the ping g 400 I just went a 460 because I assume it would be more forgiving
I switched from the Cobra F9 Speedback to the Ping G410 plus for the forgiveness. But it does result in a small drop off of distance (15 yards or so). But I'm hitting more fairways per round (12 of 14 last round). I think i need more help on technique and that is something my coach and i will work on.
Finally the best video yet..I play TS3..but found the ping G410 plus to be way more forgiving.. Would like to the the staff you had in both clubs..text me to yet me know..thanks James for great videos!! Cheers
Just had a fitting, tested ST190; Epic Flash; G410; M6 etc. Close call between Epic Flash and G410. Landed with G410, Tensai Orange. Set flat. Good ones just as good as the best of the rest, the average of the not so good was better with the G410.
Not purchasing another driver! Just purchased the Callaway Epic Flash and it works very well (for me) when I make good contact. Got the matching 3 wood both with regular shafts.
Coming from a massive callaway fan having gamed the rogue and more recently epic flash which i got fitted for start of this year i always struggled with accuracy on the flash and i tried 3 different shafts. Tried f9 and ts2 and ts3 and couldn't get them to work in distance or accuracy at all compared to flash then when the g410 plus landed the adjustability had me interested. Never been a ping fan but I'm so glad i tried the g410 alongside my flash g410 gave me more yards and accuracy and forgivness was off the planet. I have never hit a more complete driver than the g410 plus in my life so it had me sold. Now playing 9* std alta reg shaft playing length 45" and it's a beast. Had me that impressed i even bought the 3 & 5 wood along with a set of glide 3 wedges. Currently looking at changing my irons to ping i500 or i1210. It's safe to say I'm a converted ping fan boy 👌💪
Hi James, an idea for a video relevant for this time of year, how much do the winter conditions effect how far we hit the ball and how should we recalculate our yardage per club when it’s cold and damp? I think this would be useful for lots of golfers who play all year round. What do you think?
I have had the TS2 in my bag since it came out. I really like it. I have gone back and have hit my TS2 vs all the new ones out and my TS2 our hits them all so I keep it in my bag
I’ve been working on my swing all year and need to continue throughout the winter. But have been playing the M3 440 which when hit well goes miles but my bad shots are really bad. Just moved into M6 my best is not far behind but my bad shot is much much better and loving it. Hopefully more graft on my swing this winter and next year will come together nicely.
I was fitted last year and am playing the Ping G400 Max with Pings Alta S shaft. Came from a Taylormade RBZ Stage 2 and have to admit, the Ping is (for me) much more consistent and forgiving. Distance on a well struck shot is slightly (5 yd average) I’ve the Taylormade.
James, I've commented on your tendency to "left" the shot (not quite a hook) before, and you never got back to me when I suggested it might be your head moving too much on the downswing.....so, as it is still noticeable, can I suggest you look at how the clubface is at point of impact. I think you're closing it, and perhaps you could just move the ball back in your stance slightly to make sure the face is square at impact, instead of closed.
Got paired with three young chaps 2 of whom had shiney new pxg irons and drivers. Even at the advanced age of 57 i easily outdrove the 2 shots they made that landed on the fairway using Ts2. I also like how you can easily make a lie adjustment.
I’m 62, 13 handicap and have just changed to a TS1 from TM M5 and I have increased my distance by 20 yards but more importantly hitting the middle of the fairway
Currently gaming the Cobra maxx straight neck. I was getting lost in adjustments...so I went with it. It is 11.5 so it may not be best for me but it gives me confidence
I just went for a fitting for a new driver and those two were the main competitors. Ended with the Ping but in LST version. Liked the mate top better and distance/dispersion was similar.
martin pedersen I swore by mine also, then I put the TS2 head on to my even flow blue 917 shaft. Nothing different just the head. I was & am still blown away. If you try if you will not be sorry sir.
hey your should really test out the newer ben hogan clubs, and ben ross has some clubs id really like if you would test them out especially the ben hogan clubs
On a holiday recently, I had the opportunity to play 36 holes with a brand new M6 Driver. As you say, I preferred the sound of the M6 over the sound of my Ping G400 Max (rather harsh & loud), but the results were not as good w the M6 so I won't be switching to the TM. I would like to try the Titleist TS drivers and see what they would do, but I don't think the Ping will be going anywhere soon.
James, is your revenue impacted by the number of comments? Are comments and likes from the US worth more? As a fellow provider I think that I know these answers, and don’t mean to pry. I just think that your subscribers who want to support you are more likely to comment if they know that there is something in it for you. Great channel.
I just traded in my ts3 for the g410 lst and i love my ping man it looks great its a new driver all that but i miss my ts3 i was gonna do the ts2 or the g410 plus also but i was on average about 7 -12 yards longer and didnt lose dispersion either so i made the right choice as far as performace but i really really miss my ts driver man
I'm definitely going down the more forgiving route. Always had high launch, low spin characteristics in my swing so going with more forgiving and higher spin should help - or I'm at least prepared to lose the occasional long ball to see if I can improve dispersion.
I play a 915 D2 9.5° Reg shaft, tried a 910 D2 13° stiff shaft. Hit it well but sounded horrible with the stiff shaft. Saw a vid that compared 910-917 and 915 hit more fairways than the rest so found a 915 for $100 so I got that one. Need some hybrids so I’m looking at the TS2 4h to start with, if I bought a new driver, would be a TS2 driver, probably in 9.5-10. I am a beginner so haven’t gone for a fitting as of yet.
I was fitted for a TS2 and really like it, I know it dont matter but when someone like yourself says that it goes in the bag I get more confidence aswell, dont make sense but there you have it.
Titleist TS3 for me I’m thinking g James should give some serious thought to a driver change. Sometimes a driver can just go stale! Try the TS2 for a while! It might just suit you till all the shiny new 2020 models hit the shelves!
I love the ping 410 plus but can’t afford one. I hit on at a store. You can send me that used one or the driver you are taking out of your bag. I might need a longer shaft being 6’2” but I can get that. Lol
went with the F9 as I could get it to low launch and keep spin around 2500 (bad shot high slice), plus it is great value for money (although I have had a weld go and face split)
I’m using the TS3 with Hzrdus smoke stiff shaft. It was way better for me than M5/6, F9 & TS2 after fitting. If not it would have been the Epic flash and I was a TM guy right back to the Ti Bubble 2!
I game a TM SLDR keeps up with everything of today and with 3 kids paying 500 plus for one club is hard to make. Love the feel and flight I get with the SLDR soo why change works great for me
