I'm pretty new at golf, just been playing for a month. But just picking up a fairly cheap putter, gave me SO much more confidence than they cheap beginner set putter I now have. Both the look and feel, without even trying to put a ball, made me trust it so much more.
Great video again James and great to see Mark in there giving some club golfers an insight into what could be expected from a test. Of course we all want more distance but for me i need to be comfortable with what i see looking down at the ball and clubhead and also something you are fairly confident is going to find the fairway makes a huge difference...
Great drivers, really pleased to hit all of them 😀. Titleist were at the club on Monday, I was fitted to the TS2 which gave me much more consistency in the dispersion, I hit the TS3 further but my avg was greater for the TS2. On the range the distance for the TS2 was 226 carry and 252 length with spin of 2500!
Would consider it, the TS2 was always a strong rival to the M6 for me 😀 need to compare both head to head before making a final decision. Real key is the Titleist doesn’t have as forgiving a face as the M6 twist face, so will provide more opportunity for shot shaping. Next video for us I’m sure 😀
James, love your videos. Especially the ones for mid to high handicappers. What about doing a video about building a bag on a budget if you were a mid to high handicap player, say a budget of $800. I think it would be interesting to see what equipment you choose. As always, keep the great videos coming.
Yeah, I think that would be quite interesting. James, would you recommend a full 14 club bag or a reduced set, especially considering the budget? Personally, as a high handicapper who didn't want to spend a fortune when I decided to start playing again I bought 2nd hand ap1's 6I to gw a 5h one length and a 3w and putter which cost me about £600. I've since bought an f6 driver for £100 and taken the 3w and 6i out as there isn't enough gap distance between clubs and the 3w off the deck is a massive liability. I don't see the point of carrying a club I can't hit consistently.
LOVE THIS VIDEO ! ! ! Admittedly, I am an unapologetic Titleist fanboy! So how could I not love this! I've tried both the TS2 & TS3 and I didnt really like the look of the TS2 very much. It just looked a bit closed and big to me. I hooked everything with it! The TS3 is currently in the bag and rates as my all-time favorite driver. It's going to take ALOT to take it out of my bag!
I Agree with Mark massively if it looks good your gonna feel more comfortable swinging. On the other hand subconsciously your gonna belive in your ability more just because of looks also
I had a two fittings a few months ago. in that fitting I tried 6 different driver with all at 9.5 and the same shafts. (just like you are doing now) Some of the drivers were really nice looking and had a good sound but I could not hit them consistently. All over the place. So looks do not influence me but a good grouping and flight is the winner for me.
ooooh.....wouldnt it be cool if we could come up with a rig that would swing the other 3 clubs identically when Marc swings on of them?? We'd get amazingly useful data from that! lol
A slightly better test process would be to cycle through the clubs, rather than hitting 6-6-6-6, hit 1234-1234-1234... Helps remove any test bias due to warming up, fatigue, etc. Also, if you hit a few more trials, I would be tempted to remove the highest and lowest result from each sample.
I will have to look closely at my score card next time I play!!! All these years I have been missing the section that takes strokes off my score because my club is pretty and sounds lovely!!!😒
James and Mark, would love to see this test done over three separate sessions. Last time was TS2, this time TS3, next time? Hypothesis - yes there may be some drivers you can rule out completely, but as for the rest, it will depend on how you are swinging on the day as to which driver suits. So it is all a bit of a lottery for average golfers. Would also be an interesting experiment to do this with four different makes of driver.
He's blind lol, there's loads of difference between them all. The ts1 is noticeably elongated. Glad you're doing the midhandicap testing still. I wish someone would do 3-4 ranges of swing speed testing. 110 plus, 90's, 80's, and senior. I'm always looking for my dad, but no one is reviewing for senior flex. Great vid still...
Love these videos. I got fitted for a TS2 with the 65gr EvenFlow White. Though as I understand it, the TS3 would be for a lower handicapper (I'm a 4 myself), I got better numbers with the TS2.
TS3 is the best driver on the market, the new TS1 & TS4 just gives us golfers more choices and won’t fit everyone. If you don’t bring out different versions for the slower and quicker speed players ‘you get slated’ and if you do ‘you get slated’ can’t win either way, although timing could of been better 😀
Great video james as usual, not had a Titleist driver since the 910 D2 quite happy with G400 max⛳🚀🏌️♂️be a bit gutted if had one before they launched the new 2😬
I'd like to see what the swing weight of all four were with the shaft you chose. I'd bet the TS1 is significantly different than the others. Would it have made a big difference, perhaps in ball speed and timing? With a 90-95 MPH swing speed, I'd think something along the lines of a Tensei Blue would have been a better comparison for weight, launch, and spin than the heavier, stiffer, lower launch and spin EvenFlow. But, great comparison and insightful test. I'm not completely surprised with the results. The TS2 and TS3 are where the vast majority of golfers will end up being.
So glad your still testing Titleist...I bought a driver this year and TS3 beat them all out for me. It seems most channels have fallen in love with the newer drivers and titleist is not even worth considering when it’s as good or better than the new TM, Ping, Cobra drivers
The TS1 is for retirees & 95# teens and smaller women - all who would benefit with 40g shafts. The TS4 is for people playing on Pro Tours for pay cheques. The TS3 is a 2200rpm driver and the TS2 is a 2500rpm driver. If you are a good driver of the ball chose the TS3, if you are less good, rpms are your friend so choose the TS2
I’m a low to mid handicapper (+6) and I prefer the smaller heads. I’m currently still using a 915 D3, I absolutely HATED the TS2 and TS3 but I think I could get back on board with the TS4. Also, I really like that they brought back their strike marker, it’s the best in the business. If anyone from PING reads this, please bring back the half moon. As a PING diehard I just can’t come to game those ugly drivers... gloss finish, half moon. Respectfully, a fan.
If I pick the low spin head I could end up being fitted with a shaft that helps me get the ball up to improve carry. If I pick the high spin head I could end up with a different shaft that reduces height and spin. Am I right there? If so fitting could take a very long time with 4 heads to choose from. I appreciate that creating a head for sub 85mph is a damn good idea but it just adds to confusion. Hate to say it but lot's of people have wrongly bought into low spin clubs and it's hurting their game.
Hi James, would like to suggest that you do a comparison for 1 length club between the different brands like Cobra, Mazel, Pink Hawk and Sterling. Preferably with a mid handicap person also.
Hi James, I tested the titleist drivers over the weekend and found the ts2 suited me better even though I'm 8 hcap. Just a quick question about the shaft you used, it was the Project X evenflow white t1100? Was this reg or stiff because I tried this shaft with an average 98mph swing speed and it was low spin and low launch. Do you think Mark would be suited into one of the other stock shafts which are available with a lower swing speed. Great channel BTW love the content.
I don’t understand why Mark is a mid-handicapper. He’s got a glorious swing and makes consistent strikes. Is it the long par 4s that let him down? Distance?
Very nice test! Do you think the numbers would change if you alternated the different clubs over 2 or 3 rounds vs. this test (one at a time and only 1 round)?
Can get the 917 D2/3 brand new for £250 now...I know as I have just bought one 😋 For the average golfer, if you think the latest “tech” within 5/6 years is going to benefit your game...it won’t. I also found a brand new H2 rescue for £115. There are some real bargains to be had in golf clubs.
Could Mark have done better with the TS4 if he'd had time to learn the driver? My issue with this kind of testing is every driver is different, and every swing is different. If we were just pulling off the rack and playing, one club may appear better than the other. But take a higher performing club, and learn to swing it, and you'll get better results. And Mark is fully capable of improving his strike with any club. JM2C
James I know to this date I have never seen you really reviews golf shafts, if you do there is one I would like to have Mark ( mid handicapper ) try in a driver. It is the VA Vylyn driver shaft, I'd like to see. Something for you to think about.
Would be good to correlate the strike to the ball flights.....some of those TS4 shots when produced the bomb balls but also looked like it also created wild toe low spin knuckle balls - 4 Leeefffttt! .
James, there is not a driver out there don't care what the testing is etc that will give any golfer other than single digit, best amateur or pro golfer that will produce anything other than forgiveness. Distance u need club head speed. I'm 57 tried almost every driver, I am 5 handicap and Im not getting anymore distance with new drivers. Speed is distance not anything else.
On another, completely different subject James. I’ve spent a lot of time st the range working on my swing. Results have been great, but I’m struggling (massively) on taking it onto the course. Any suggestions?
13 handicap? From which tees exactly? Max whites maybe even reds with 210 yard drives. I’d like to see a 1 through 4 test with someone that has at least 250 yard drives.
I kind of feel like you're not really being fair to the TS4 because 2 of Marks swings with that club were probably the worst of the test by far. I do agree that the TS3 is probably the best choice for him but I think the TS4 was much closer without the 2 bad swings.
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I think Mark is losing distance somewhere -maybe launch angle? My swing is marginally faster (94-95mph), so 3mph faster at most, and 226 yards qualifies as a really poor drive for me. I would have expected total distance to be around 235-40 yards. I am not convinced that TS1 & TS4 are really needed
Since when did 13 become "mid" handicap? Is that because the UK only goes up to 28 hcp. Because the rest of the world the max hcp is 72. To me, mid hcp would be around 30, not 13. However, still an interesting video! Yes, looks is most important!
D Du Plessis looks are one of those things I find important on the top Of the driver, but not the bottom. I don’t care about aesthetics, but I do need to like the shape on top, and such. Easy to track on the eye
I'm a little annoyed with this video, but still gave it a like. Here's why: Can we get the opinion, or give the opinion after the shot is hit? cause half the time with mid to high hcp is that they over think things in the first place. Now you saying something ahead of time Mark would have a preconceived notion that "THERE IS NO WAY I CAN HIT THAT, IM A MID HANDICAPPER" a bit unfair to me. Should have been a blind test and see how he gets on. Further more no disrespect, I am not a fitter but Mark has a Senior swing he cant be that old.
Does anyone actually even see the club head when you play out on the course ? My eyes seem to be target , ball, middle of face , ball and then send . . I would like to hear if I'm supposed to be doing some different? Thanks
@@markspriggs1962 I think James need to redo the test :-) how far do you hit your 3 wood though? It's a bit of a lost art hitting a 3 wood of the tee to hit the fairway- because today shots gained is all about distance- the driver with the extra length shaft and excellent technology is where its at
Titleist have now become a joke they release to clubs TS2 and TS3 and claim one will be able to be custom fit to any golfer now several months later they roll out TS1 and TS4 and claim these fill fill the none existing gap that the other two drivers didn't fill .. What a con job by Titleist...
So should car companies only offer 1 car? All 4 of these drivers are geared toward totally different players. If the TS2 or TS3 we’re not right for you, then you should have figured that out during a proper fitting. Let the data drive you toward the proper purchase...not brand loyalty.
@@brucemaines3124 That's a load of crap last month Titleist claimed TS2 or TS3 when fitted correctly would cover 100 % of golfers from the scratch golfer to a 20 plus golfer . Now suddenly they bring out TS1 and TS4 and claim they will fit the lower spin golfer with TS4 and high handicap golfers with slow swing speed so basically last month they sold golfers clubs that weren't ment for them just to make a sale ..... Pure con.....Plain and simple...
It has to look great, or why invest that much in it? Would you date an unattractive woman knowing that she may be better for you, but you can't look at her? No you wouldn't. You've got to love it to play it.
Do you guys understand that you talk way, way to much. The fellow doing the actual demonstration perhaps could give his handicap, other than that just hit the ball.No one cares whether you like the top of the driver or if it is a flat black or shiny black. Just hit the ball. Go to the next driver and just hit the ball. When your finished show the numbers. Simple
