Haven XL vs Amok Draumr 4.0 

Sorry for all the toxic comments here. Everyone is an expert these days. I just want to thank you for an excellent and informative video and helping me decide which hammock is right for me. Much appreciated!❤❤❤❤

The one thing that was overlooked with the Haven tent... The Haven tent can be used as a ground bivy if there are no trees around!

Great review of the two hammocks! Also, for information purposes, I bought the Amok Draumr 5.0 XL (extra long) because I am 6'3' tall. The pad for the Amok Druamr XL is 87"x25" and the pad for the standard size Amok Draumr is 78"x25" which is the size of the Big Agnes Air Core Ultra. So, just in case someone is buying the Amok XL, the Big Agnes pad would be too short.

34:40 deploying the amok is better when it's already raining. You put up your tarp and then you can relax, doing everything else while not getting wet. That's the main reason I didn't go with a hammock tent - a tarp is incredibly versatile, useful for numerous situations and incredibly better when raining.

My experience with my Haven XL.. Anyone who lives somewhere with mosquitoes will not appreciate the fact that they didn't do double zippers on the mosquito net. There is only one zipper on either side of the nets so you have to open it all the way up. I spent the first night in mine last night, and I had to grab something off the ground underneath my hammock. I had to open half the bug screen up just to get to what I needed and I let in about 30 mosquitoes in the meantime. On any of my Hennessy style hammocks, they are double zippered which allows you to unzip a small portion to reach out and get anything off the ground or outside the hammock. Serious failure right off to get go. It seems like their only concern was the ability to remove the bug screen. Also, with a bit of movement flipping back and forth from your stomach or side, the bug screen zipper will start to work its way down opening a gap. Gnats, no-see ums, and mosquitoes became a problem from that as well. There is a good chance that my brand new hammock will be sold shortly. I waited a long time to buy one of these, very disappointing.

late to this video. The issue had with the Amok is that i have had balance issues expecially getting into my sleeping bag... so far that has been impossible

thanks for the review, it was great. my conclusion is go for the haven using with separate tarp, if it has the double zipper on the bugnet. That way you wont get wet in rain, and you have a shelter in area with no trees. Good for everything! greetings from Hungary.😀

Great to see that you, Glenn Newell and your friend Steve, you mentioned in the video, might live near the LBJ National Grassland area. I live in Hico, Texas and own an Amok Draumr 5.0 and 5.0 XL. I'd like to mention that the Draumr's straps are ratchet type fully adjustable. We should try to have a Haven/Amok camp fair. I noticed that there was a Tentsile in the background. I also own an early model Tentsile Stingray. I'd like to see what others are using for portable hammock stands for the Haven and Amok. I have an ENO Nomad, which works fine but I think that the Tensa 4 might allow for a higher (taller) stand. Thank you again for your videos.

Great review on the two !! I think I like the Haven XL, but that’s just going by looks, never tried either

I used to have both Amok Draumr 5.0 and the haven. In the end sold both of them, got back to gathered-end hammocks for their low weight, compact size under a tarp, and cosy feeling when used with right underquilts. And yes, I am a side sleeper, and I love to sleep on my side in a gathered-end hammock.

I bought the haven regular size for my daughter and I bought the amok 5.0 for me.Cant wait to get out and use them.

Fantastic review, thanks!

Great review! For my part, it has boiled down to these two hammock. There always seems to be some compromises, none is perfect) What I really like about the Haven is the tarp, easy to install and use, comes close around you giving that tent feeling, while the Amok have that seperate tarp, does not get fully enclosed and take some time to put up. At the moment it looks like I go for the Haven, much because of the tarp, fully aware of the Amok is even a notch more comfortable and lighter

Very cool comparison 👍

Thanks for hanging with us ✌️ both look like they’ll do the job 😴

Awesome job! Thanks

GREAT JOB ON THE REVIEW

Happy New Year!

Get in the draumr 5.0 from the side! So so so so much easier. It's not hard at all. It's painful watching you try to get in lol

Lol he said we’re running out of light! Ha Ha I think you mean running out of Breath.

just get the Warbonnet Ridgerunner. it's the best lay flat hammock made

Thanks, very helpful! I'm considering buying the Haven to use it in my 16 feet dinghy, and for that use the Amok is not possible. (I will use the mast as tree, and for the other end, build a stand)

Hi, great review. I own an amok. The haven looks very promising as there is not always tree's around. Also a sleeping bag in an amok slides around something bad. I was happy and dry in a really hard storm. Talking of storms, you can't really store your gear in the amok either so a lot of pros and cons.

my breath came better after everyday 30min walk-run (3min walk - 1min 180spm very slow run - 3min walk - ...)

To go in chair mode sit up then pull the straps so you aren't lifting your weight uts a lot easier Hooe this helps

I think I'd go with a Haven, it just seems less complicated. And I'm not sitting next to a fire in a tent or hammock. That's what chairs/pads are made for.

Nice video! How do you think these two tent hammocks would compare to a NightCat?

OK, so it's been a year, with the Draumr 5.0 out, and the haven safari available. Has you opinion changed at all? Do you still say the amok is the more comfortable of the 2?

Thank for the walk through... As confounding as it is confusing - so far - you're the only person that has shown me how the Bug Net attaches and how it looks on the Haven... I frequently camp in the Florida woods... And if the bugs don't get you - the heat will... So having an open air flow is important! Thanks to you, I believe I have found exactly what I need. Thank you! Also, I seriously appreciate key details you shared! Things like: certain Items NOT included... That an Air Mattress is REQUIRED for use... And the points you highlighted on the uses and considerations for helping us use these in our life... Clear examples that show you expertise! I will admit, I wasn't quit sure what to think of your video from the start... Working without a script or possibly freeform within one... That once I sat back and listened - it felt more like having a conversation with a friend and not like a commercial or teaching lecture!

Just out of curiosity. What battery powered air pump are you using with the amok air mattress great review between the two

Nice review, i'm an ammok fan, draumer 5.0 makes me living in another world ! Just promiss me one thing... never ever blow in the airbag of your sleeping pad to inflate it, moisture is the last thing you wanna get in that kind of stuff 🙏🙏 I really enjoy spending some time on watching your videos !

Also the Amok xl fits their pad which is 87” long. I own this pad and it’s the warmest pad on the market At least out of the 20 I’ve used

Great review. Amok and Haven are really different. Can you do a video comparing Haven Hammock with Helsdon Hammock? They seem to be more similar in style. From what I understand you don't need a brand name air mattress with the Helsdon as you do with the Haven, and that's a big plus for me.

I have the Amok Draumr XL 4.0 Getting in the Amok while at the same time trying to keep your sleeping bag inside the hammock is tiring. I am considering sowing in a hook at the head end of the Amok and sleeping bag - this way the sleeping bag can "hang tight" while I get in/out. Last night I spent in the Amok, I was debating myself for half an hour in the middle of the night before finally caving in and going through the painful process of leaving/entering with the sleeping bag - all because I had to pee... (yes, I am 40+) This is my main gripe with the Amok. Another thing that would be better with the Haven, is that I would have the ability to have my son sleep with me - that is very hard in the Amok :-)

Have you tried the Eurika Crystalist Hammock by Dave Helsdon? I loved mine sooooo much.

I sort out the tree strap issues with ratchet straps. Adjust all you want and can handle the weight of hanging my bag off it, too.

Awsome video, im keeping my Amok =)

So I own the amok 5.0 xl and it’s a nice hammock. I just ordered the haven xl and want to know if it’s sleeps better. The Amok, if u move at night towards your head, it drops down and your feet get higher then your head. Vise Vera’s if you go towards your feet. Also getting in and out is absolutely terrible. It’s nice but frustrating. Also the bug net is hard to open and close as u tilt towards your feet opening and closing and it just about touches your face. Fingers crossed Haven

If the Haven only had a light weight version… hach I mean, I love the tent aspect of the haven. You could use it on the floor, you could use it in a storm, you can make it shut

thanks!

The draumr can be used like a tent basicaly on ground if we don’t have Trees ?

Outstanding! We have Warbonnets and Eagle Nests as well as Draumrs, and were considering the Haven. Like you, I'd give the not to the Amok for increased utility and better design if the pad begins to lose pressure. They both depend on the rigidity of the pad, but with the Draumr, there's almost a built in safety setup with those internal straps.

Tightening the chair straps like that without bothering to move you weight off them first is a good way to destroy your amok

If your hammock is sagging, it's not tight enough. Period. I own a Haven Tent XL and use the Therm-A-Rest Mondoking. I use ratchet straps as my hammock straps because they're easier, more reliable, and they don't have sag in them whatsoever. Your hammock has a ridgeline for a reason. Use it.

I have the amok 5.0 and it’s nice… but it’s ridiculously heavy for backpacking! I stopped taking it and switched to my Dutchware

Can you show a video about the best hammock tents with zipper bug screens?

Yeah don't know. I think I'll just keep using my instant pop-up 3 man tent takes two seconds to set up and it fits well in my back pack..Would suck to be in one of them on a windy day

For me, The amok is far more comfortable

Haven all the way. Why? I can get up in the middle of the night, take a piss, and get back in my Haven without having my sleeping bag and everything else slide and shift all over the place while I get out and then back in. I was so close to getting the Draumr, but decided to go with the Haven. Wasn't even considering entry and exit at the time. I don't know why, as I always had that problem with my regular camping hammocks. Actually like the looks of the Draumr better. None of the videos even showed getting in and out while you have stuff in it though, so I didn't even think about it. Only reason I went with Haven was because my available funds shrunk a little before I decided. Glad I went with Haven now though. I tend to have to get up at least once per night. Sometimes twice. I'm in and out of my Haven super easy, and nothing moves around. Watch when he goes to get in the hammocks and imagine there is stuff in there like a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket, and other stuff. You would dump everything out of the Draumr trying to get in it. Especially pitch black in the middle of the night.

If amok would put the rain cover integrated in the draummr it will be the perfect hammock...

Tried out the Amok now too and I am not really convinced by both products somehow. I found the haven tent a bit better even. Still not that convinced taking this out on a several days hike!

At least the Amok won't put you on the ground in the middle of the night because the spreader pole goes thru the cheap ass pocket and ripped out the side of the Haven. I've gone thru 2 Havens in 2 years so I'm use to the Pop and Dump of the Haven.

Great comparrison guide, very useful to me. Have you tried both pads in the Haven at the same time, for a kind of 'plywood' stability effect? I am also wondering about if I get the Haven would it work to line it with a reflective on one side closed cell foam mat, like a picnic mat for more warmth in the winter, perhaps a roll up foam mat under the insulated pad.

Amok make an xl version. Is the version you tested xl. You have the camo amok. Love it.

I like haven xl🥰🥰🥰

Checked out the haven tent now in a bit more harsh conditions. The hammock from the haven is Not to be used alone as a normal hammock. The shape makes you always hang with the butt on the Ground. Just doesn’t work. The other big big issue is the silly fixing of the rain fly on the hammock itself. Especially when you fixed it to the ground with some lines. It’s just not doable from inside the hammock when it rains you have to go out but then you don’t come in anymore. Great :p. Not. If we take a Look towards the Nightcat hammock tent they just solved this with two plastic clips. So easy! So nice! But nope the Haven for me is a half hearted product and not well thought out. And I will very likely send it back to them. Not worth the almost 400 bucks!

Comparing both the 22 june 2022 (from their web site) : Haven 324€ for 3473grams - DRAUM 550€ for 2865 grams with guidelines etc

I love my amok but it is a nightmare getting into the sleeping bag, they need there own sleeping bag that zips into place so it doesn't move .

Hey brotha, it’s ok… breathe. We won’t judge you. Turn the damn camera off for 30 and catch your breath lol

What part of LBJ are you camping? I have 2 Amock’s and they are the best ,once you figure out how to get in and out . Thanks for your time.

You dont show the Amor actually closed

some cool hammocks

Good video but you sound like you’re having difficulty catching your breath.

I have 2 Havens & 1 AMOK. THE MATRESS ON THE HAVEN ARE JUNK!!! didn't even work 1 night! DONE WITH HAVEN.

Buy the tent and air pad and your $500 CDN in the hole.....it's a tent/hammock is it really worth that much? To find out you may not like it.

$403 for the amok set up or 335 for a two in one 🤔

Dude, not putting up the tarp with the Amok makes this whole comparison video next to, but not quite, worthless. I'm left thinking that you really need to find 4 trees in a cross pattern to get that Amok sucker under decent shelter. Or you have to guy out a couple of poles at the other corners. Also, You didn't bother to show the Haven fly deployed as a shelter. You set that up so low that you couldn't walk around under it without being crouched over.

where the heck are you parked?

why not use a ratchet strap for the trees. that just makes sense to me..

It would have been nice to see this before buying 3 hammocks. In 2020, I decided to test hammock camping and bought a Hennessey and loved it. I then decided to try it for my daily bed in my apartment. It worked nice, but I was curious whether flat sleeping would be better. My son kept trying to convince me that the floor was better. So with all the hype, I got a Draumr 5.0. It takes a LOT of real estate in comparison, but was comfy *once in*. It also made a nice chair. However, it was unstable in that a cat would decide to join me and suddenly either I am almost standing up like I'm in a coffin ⚰️ stood up against a wall *or* on my head struggling with gravity in some weird yoga pose. Similar if I shifted in my sleep. I needed "sleep belts" like a 5 point harness! Great workout, but not why I bought the hammock. I even crashed/folded my stand a couple of times while rolling over, which I *never* did with the Hennessey. No damage to anything or anyone other than bruised ego and neighbors womdering what I was doing. Back to the Hennessey. Then the Haven Safari came out and I saved up. It is too soon to tell, but it seems ok. (Just arrived today.) The Safari is significantly heavier material, it almost feels more like a canvas than the other two. The rainfly feels like a military tarp. The sit strap seemed not to work much for me, but time will tell. It is already cat approved, one came in and slept by my head, though he did seem to be having a challenge getting comfortable. Unlike the Hennessey, he can sleep on the pad and not my chest or legs. At unloaded lay, it is up about 24" up at the ends and didn't feel like my butt was hanging down like the Hennessey (even with full cross laying). If I remember, I will edit to update later as I get more experience. All 3 have their pros and cons. Hennessey: Comparatively very light, easy to pack, setup and teardown. Snakeskins make it so I don't really need the stuff sack. Cross-lie, so still some "banana", but honestly very comfortable for me. Easy to wash! My back gets cold with no underquilt or pad, even indoors! Some models have a pocket for a pad. Draumr: Cadillac with lots of bells and whistles. Having the air mattress is nice, warms the back, kidneys and butt. The mattress is captured so it doesn't move. Lots of storage for small stuff and not enclosing for those borderline claustrophobics. Makes a good chair for lounging, reading a book etc. Huge footprint. Somewhat unstable, especially entering, but even during use. I wouldn't want to wash it! It took me a while to figure out how it was twisted and contorted when I first got it to set it up. Haven: Easy setup. Stable. Warm underneath due to air mattress. Pad isn't covered, so if not using a bag or something, you are right on the pad. I'm concerned about longevity and ease of washing the pad.

You're out of breath all the time, and it kind of makes it more relatable to me. You put in the air matress the wrong way in the Amok, but other than that I appreciate the comparison. Definately getting the Amok over the Haven, I want that chair mode and view you get with it.

Tested both and I don’t like either of them actually. The haven is utter nonsense and children’s toy and the amok is also annoying and too heavy. I tell everyone to get a cheap bubble like sleeping pad that’s quite flexible and a onewind hammock and you’re good to go. You also can sleep on your side or even on your belly too depending on the pad. Plus this all together costs around 100 bucks. Proper sleeping bag and a nice tarp and that’s it for three seasons for sure. Switch out the pad for winter and the sleeping bag and you’re prepared for deepest winters.

Amok seems that getting in it is a pain

So as I see it the faven xl is a better bed that is easy to get in and out of and a more secure place to be in the night, while the amoc is a more comfortable chair during the day and a very risky place to be in the night or during bad events...thanks for your very political accessment.

Okay, I’ll admit I’ve never slept in either, but the Amok design looks ridiculous. Hard to get in/out, and I wouldn’t rule out being flipped out if you move wrong while you sleep. Also looks like the net and rain fly are a pain to get on/off. Might be the reason you didn’t show it.

None! LoL just use normal gather end hammock instead of some gimmicky hanging chair that completely defeats all the benefits of hammock and is hard to get into lol 😂

Perché respiri come se avessi fatto una maratona? Are you ok?

Maybe that rancid smell was a Sasquatch - just sayin'

The constant choking, coughing, grunting, and gagging is really off putting man not sure if you have GERD or what is goin on but get it checked out my dude. Great review though and this is exactly the comparison I needed to make my decision thanks for the hard work!

thats smell of the bigfoot be careful lol

Height

so many know-it-alls

45 mins lol learn how to edit a video down. This could be like 10 minutes and it would cover everything that you need 🤣

Young man, you need to get to a cardiologist asap. You shouldn't be so out of breath so quickly after very little work.

Why u so outa breath bruh, Jesus…

Haven XL is 100% better.