Hawker Hunter: Britain's Bold Leap 

If it looks right, it is right....

Agreed,when you get up close to them the lines are flawless.

Agreed, but descended from the Hurricane. The Hurri's virtues were that it was easy to maintain, easier to fly for inexperienced pilots, a wide-spaced undercart enabling operations from poor airfields, The Hunter could be refuelled and rearmed in just eight minutes. The RR Avon engine was the jet equivalent to the Merlin.

Former swiss F5 were bought, too...

​@@VickzqI saw the F5s a couple weeks ago

Oh so lucky

All your current USN and USMC F-5s are former Swiss airframes with VFC-111, VFC-13 and VMFAT-401. ATAC has flown former Swiss Mk-58 Hunters out of both Point Mugu and Newport News. We fly them in a 4 tank configuration and a telemetry pod and usually an EA pod…they aren’t very spritely in that configuration…takes a while to get up to speed.

@@wtpeasley I see them operate out of the jet center at KSMX

Agreed. My absolute favourite of all jet fighters. Everything about it just looks right. Truly a beautiful looking bird.

That whine comes from the cannons, actually

English Electric!

The Victor is very tasty as well

Hard to believe there are no longer any British jets in production and only one left in RAF service...

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy Britain has the worlds second largest aerospace industry after the US, BAE Systems is Europe's biggest defence constructor and Rolls Royce is the biggest European jet engine company. Intercompany and international co-operation is what produces successful aircraft and other weapons systems these days. For instance, as you know BAE Systems is a principle partner in the F35 project that Germany is belatedly buying into. The British were in from the start with the JSF programme and whilst some other European companies also joined Germany stayed out, that is of course until Russia put the wind up them and now they want in. As you know Britain has the biggest share by nation of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Britain had an equal share with Germany in the Panavia Tornado through British Aerospace and MBB respectively, as you know British Aerospace is still a British company as BAE Systems whilst MBB was swallowed up by the international concern EADS. It is international co-operation and footprint that has won the B-52 re-engine contract for Rolls Royce with their BR 725 (F130) engine that will be built in Rolls Royce's plant in Indianapolis. As you know Rolls Royce otherwise produces its BR 700 series engines at its Oberursel plant although some of the more complex parts are produced in the UK for assembly by Rolls Royce's German workers.

Don't forget the Canberra, also a beautiful aircraft.

Sonic boom?

@@runlarryrun77 In a shallow dive yes the Hunter could do it. Check out Farnborough 1952 when Neville Duke demonstrates the sonic boom during his display directly after the tragic death of his friend John Derry in the Sea Vixen prototype.

@@robertharrison2260 Jets in the 1940s could reach Mach 1 in a shallow dive... the UK only had a single supersonic production aircraft, the troubled EE Lightning.

@@WilhelmKarsten LOL please reread your comment above - go on name a jet in 1940s that achieved supersonic flight? - research compressibility and think about the history of Supersonic flight as you are just highlighting your own deficiencies. Which country are you from ? perhaps there were jets in your country (indigenous and others) that were also "troubled" but perhaps you don't wish to highlight these.

@@robertharrison2260 You don't seem very knowledgeable regarding this topic? The Messerschmitt Me-262 has the highest critical Mach number performance of any WW2 aircraft and was the first transonic aircraft to have a fly-by-wire Horizontal Stabilator system to counteract the effects of compressiblity and Mach tuck. The F-86 Sabre was also supersonic in a dive and was heavily influenced by German WW2 supersonic aircraft technology. Any questions lad?

Yes truely a miracle, because they could hardly fly so far with engines working 😂

might have been less@@user-ik3mk5vi8m

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Trying to avoid spiraling mistrust that could escalate into an atomic war was a risk peace move. To say no was to desperately needed money was also a key driver. A vision where the UK was economic powerhouse built on its tech lead in aviation was a economic strategy that was broke from two world wars. The British knew they had a spy problem and that it was secret that was not going to be kept secret, not to mention the skills of th3 soviet union amd thier Nazi engineers and designers.

@@malcolmlewis5860 this happened before soviets had nukes ??

Indeed, Rolls-Royce and the UK government were completely broke, they sold weapons to anyone who had cash or food

Actually it was one of the more intelligent things the Labour government ever did. Britain had no gold reserves left and the Soviets were more than happy to give us tons of the stuff in return for what was rapidly becoming an obsolete development dead end in the form of the centrifugal Nene. Everybody else was going down the axial flow route by then.

I bet it did.

Yeah, with a little bit of Baby Oil or KY Jelly, I'm sure.😅

Annals, Brother, Annals. Don't lose an "N" and gain a rainbow!

Must have been the Naval version, eh? 😁👍🏻

According to Hawker Hunters reborn there are a number of UK airworthy HH still around.

Zimbabwe don't you mean Rhodesia 😅

@@matthewgubbins8515 hope you watched the video. They mentioned Zimbabwe, and even showed them flying in Zim colours.

@@davidpage4005 I didn't got distracted by call of duty. Cheers for the info

Still is them flying often in California, in private hands.

The MiG-15 didn't use the RD-45 ( license copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene) it was powered by the VK-1, a larger more powerful engine designed by Vladimir Klimov

The MiG-15 was designed by German Heinkel engineer Seigfried Günter, designed the world's first jet aircraft, the Heinkel He-178

@@WilhelmKarsten The RD-45 and VK-1 were based on reverse engineering and some technical documents of the Nene and Derwent engines. Apparently metallurgy was a real issue for the Soviets and they managed to get some samples by touring a UK engine factory with sticky boots and treading near machines producing metal shavings. The Labour Party were known for virtue signalling their "internationalism" by giving away the farm. I believe that the initial development of radar in Britain was hidden from the Labour govt for fear that they would give it away to the Germans.

@@nerdyali4154 The RD-45 is a copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene. The V-1 is a larger, more powerful engine designed by Vladimir Klimov. CASH, Britain was completely bankrupt in 1946 and it economy was destroyed, anything and everything was for sale in Britain like it was in 1940. Britain traded jet aircraft for food and cotton, and sold the Nene to the Soviets for cash.

@@WilhelmKarsten True but the Russians only had the German Jumo which had serious problems that threatened their working for more than a few hours. The Nene was a proven design which the Soviets reverse engineered the also developed harder heat resistant metal for the turbine blades and the result was the brilliant well-engined MiG -15. Apparently they obtained the details of the blade metal from workshop shavings that the Soviets deliberately picked up on their boots. I don't think the Labour Party was bothered at that stage about passing secrets to the Soviets, after all, they were 'allies' in WW2 and fellow Marx believing socialists although not a dictatorship. It never ceases to amaze me that the British as so in love with labour and they have produced nothing worthwhile except the NHS, and even that is in a mess.

After a somewhat quit google session, the donor hunter was the n-315. It's sitting in front of the alba power factory somewhere in the uk(if i remember correctly south-west i think) Oh and ph-nlh was coded in Holland as n-320. And ph-nlh actually now have a second image on google in a garage..

The site thunder-and-lightning says the image is from '93 and the planning was that it(sitting in marlow) was going to be restored, the image i noticed year ago before that current image seems to be a later image since it shows the cockpit in a better condition.

Britain' was completely bankrupt when the war ended. The UK government was forced to signed the 60 billion dollar Anglo-American Bailout Loan in 1946.

Yes, the government were far from complacent, as shown by starting the UK nuclear program after the US shut us out, what became the V Bombers to carry them. Which also reminds of the Canberra. So good the US brought it. Also, the leading figure in the formation of NATO was Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin, who had zero tolerance for either Facist or Communist dictatorships. He had to persuade the US to do something for the first time, commit to a binding security treaty for foreign nations. George Marshall becoming Secretary of State helped as did Stalin’s actions as the late 40’s progressed, culminating in the Berlin Airlift. The problem with UK aviation after WW2 was a victim of the success of dispersal factories, the many and varied companies involved, many at wars end suddenly short of orders. Which inevitably diluted the substantial support that was given, despite the terrible post war economic conditions and being elected to enact massive social and economic reforms. Even conscription had to be reintroduced, in peacetime, largely due to the major commitments worldwide not least, garrisoning the UK area of responsibility in Germany, the most populous part. The outbreak of the Korean War was a shock to everyone in the West, many feared it was a feint before Stalin moved into Europe, this is where the failure to keep up in fighter design caught the UK out, plenty of projects, too many, but not near service. The mistake of those engines to the USSR was a symptom of the desperate shortage of foreign currency and in this case, materials for domestic reconstruction. In hindsight amalgamations of companies should have come much sooner, rapidly advancing technology by compared to the US, under capitalized companies was a recipe for delays. It certainly was not through complancy.

I saw one flying in California just a few weeks ago

Another advantage the had and was designed for low level flights to with stand ground effect, as memory serves me, it a requirement from British MOD during the cold war. Strong airframe it had.

Hawk with side by side seating.......are you sure? Never heard of such a thing.......Hunter yes, Hawk...........hmmmmm????

@@daveh1081 I'm old. I meant hunter.

Not really a fighter though, it's primarily role was ground attack

@@WilhelmKarsten Wrong again Mr - Hunter was a point defence Intercepter designed to get to altitude and hit Bombers that was the initial design brief, much later on it was later put to good use as a ground attack and reconnaissance aircraft.

@@robertharrison2260 Sorry lad, but the Hunter was even supersonic, it was completely outclassed and obsolete as an interceptor on arrive into service. Like most British aircraft, years behind its contemporaries.

@@WilhelmKarsten Wrong - firstly in a shallow dive Hunter was supersonic and this was demonstrated frequently do your research. Secondly when it came into service it was not outclassed and incorporated several innovations such as the flying tail and the first Rolls Royce Avon axial flow turbojet which went on to power several other successful designs and is still a great engine. But lets first address the big issue here with your comments you seem to pop up frequently with "irrelevant" soundbites that seem to have an "agenda" relating to various British aviation subjects but you really don't know what you are talking about and you obviously don't know some of the people on these forums who know more than you do. In conclusion did the aircraft have flaws, yes dependant on which "mark" (there were several over its long years of service) but I haven't got time to educate you in what you cant know - anyway you name a viceless or flawless combat aircraft from any country - you can't, why because there will always be design and cost compromises.

MIGS

Well, the signing of the Anglo-American Bailout Loan agreement effectively made Britain an American protectorate and possession from 1946 to 2006.

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandy, it's always a joy to observe your bitter wehraboo cope. Faced with the historical reality of the humiliation of your luftwaffe dreamboys by the RAF followed by Britain and its allies thrashing your nazi heroes (and spanking the Germans for the second time in barely thirty years, which is a win in anybody's book), leaving their '1000 year reich' in ruins, its leaders dead or tried and imprisoned, the country divided and occupied, millions of its people dead, millions of its men in captivity and hundreds of thousands never to return, its women abused in the most horrible way, its citizen exposed as gullible fools or worse and its reputation tarnished by the most reviled regime in history, and all you can manage is pathetic whining like that last.

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, the Americans are great allies aren't they and always good for some cash. Imagine being stuck with the allies the nazis had!!! Imagine being stuck with the ally that the nazis' allies had!!!

There were only two winners in WW2, Britain was definitely not one of them.

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, I love to see you displaying your bitter wehraboo cope. When you are faced with the historical reality of your nazi heroes' defeat, the humiliation by the RAF of the luftwaffe, Britain and its allies smashing the '1000 year reich', Germany spanked for the second time in barely thirty years and all you can do is whine out cope in your impotent wehraboo rage.

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know after the RAF humiliated your luftwaffe dreamboys Britain with its allies smashed your nazi heroes' '1000 year reich' handing Germany its second spanking in barely thirty years. And that's a win in anybody's book.

Wing shape and area with new materials and construction for 60'000ft bomb drop-toss-lob. Calculate payload for 250lb on pylons and dispersal area and range.

"State of bankruptcy".. Atlee's government had to deal with the harsh reality that there were only two winners in WW2... and that Britain was not one of them.

​@@WilhelmKarsten Krappenz DiktorBummer KARZEESTAN Jurkzxoffenzstadt & co - they should all note with much awestruckness and great wonderment. ***** *How come they can't answer simple questions - why is that?* ***** Germany was occupied by British military forces for many years after 1945. Russia & the UK have Nukes. Germany does not have Nukes. *_DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SAY SOMEWHERE THAT THERE'S AIRLINER ASSEMBLY LINES OR SIMILAR IN THE UK OR IRELAND OR THAT Airbus or BOW-WING is actually British? (B-47 wings on many occasions folded up in flight or dropped off while parked)._* Of course Brazil makes very good airliners & Brazil is 100th down list along with Indonesia for wealth per capita. *Norway Holland Denmark Ireland Belgium - Top 20 wealth per capita - Don't make airliners - its as simple as that.* BAe Systems & RR combined now do more Airbus work than Germany on an absolute basis & significantly more work than that on a per capita basis. Per capita for the home nation BAe Systems is the world's largest defence contractor. _BAe systems announced the recent £4 Billion takeover of Colorado based US based Ball Aerospace._ *BAE systems now does a significantly higher value of work for Airbus than it did when it was a major Airbus shareholder before 2005.* *_RR now owns US Engine maker Allison for example which does classified Aerospace work for the US Govt._* The UK has more important stuff to do these days. _Routine simple passenger aircraft airframe assembly is becoming more of a 3rd world / trailer park area thing._ EG - *_The DH Comet - world's first high altitude capable pressurised passenger cabin jet airliner in regular service, world's first jet airliner aircraft to cross the Atlantic, worlds first jet airliner aircraft to complete a global circumnavigation flight series._* *They might try to sensibly answer this question - why do they believe that BAE Systems & RR (aero engines etc) & other companies, for example should be doing anything other than what they currently do & where do they get the idea from that the DH Comet had any affect at all on the progression UK aerospace sector.* *Anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner stands a good chance of being on an aircraft powered by RR gas turbine aero engines built in England.* 📯📯📯📯 *The New RR Trent Ultrafan* *Built In England* *_World's Largest (see T&Cs)_* *_Gas Turbine Aero Engine_* 📯📯📯📯 👍Manufactured by the people on a small island with less than 1% of the world's population.👍 *_A typical but small glimpse of what goes on in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* - Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter. AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft. *F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.* *_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._* They might like to answer these questions. *Which airline has just ordered* *60 RR England Trent XWB Engines* *& What aircraft are the engines for?* _Bonus question for 10 extra points._ Which country has the *World's Highest Combined Per Capita* *Nuclear / Defence / Aerospace Sector Activity?* 👍 & 🙂 & of course 😎 indeed. Cheers. _Toodle_ -PIP- *Old* *_Chap._* . ... . . ..... . . ... . . ... . ..... ccicci vivvixxixxiccicci

The British aircraft industry steadily declined after the country's defeat in WW2.

@@WilhelmKarstenyeah whine about the Labour government that instated the NHS and affordable social housing. It’s not like the average Brit had sacrificed anything during the previous decade is it? The reason we fell behind was because the country was broke after WW2, our American "friends" made a pretty penny from us which was only repaid in the ‘90s. As for the transfer of jet technology to the Russians, do you really think it advanced things that much? Or do you think a large number of German scientists went east in the same way a lot ended up in the US Aeronautics industry? Not to mention the massive burden that the Soviets bore during WW2, despite lots of US and British crowing, they more than played there part on the Eastern Front, which often is deliberately forgotten given how relations transpired in the following decades. And before you throw the lefty or snowflake pejorative at me, bear in mind you’re speaking to an RAF veteran who served long enough to currently be in receipt of an MOD pension.

⁠@@WilhelmKarstendefeat in WW2? You been watching too much Man in the High Castle?

@@jamesbothoms6009 There were only two winners in WW2, Britain was not one of them. The average Brit certainly did suffer the pains of defeat, but have continued with the fabrications and belief of elaborate false excuses to maintain their denial that Britain was ever defeated. Britain lost the war in September 1940, but rather than surrender to Hitler... they took the option to surrender to the Americans instead. Of course the British lied about the state of their economic and military strength throughout the remainder of the war, It wasn't until the war ended that it was revealed just how bad things really were. Britain was forced to sign the terms of the Anglo-American Bailout Loan Agreement in 1946, for 65 billion dollars Britain gave up the last of its autonomy and power to make foreign policy decisions and become a US protectorate and a American procession until the mortgage was finally paid-off in 2006 after Britain defaulted on payments six times. American military forces still occupy the UK today. Britain maintains it denial by referring to the surrender to America as its "special relationship" with the Yanks... a shameful and humiliating insult that brits refuse to utter aloud. Cheers mate! Happy New Year!

@@WilhelmKarsten Wow, that’s a stretch and a half. Think you have your tinfoil hat on a bit tight there mate.

Indeed, your argument is pointless, Britain didn't invent jet engines or aviation, it has always lagged behind America Germany and France

​@@WilhelmKarsten All axial compressors gas turbine aircraft engines being developed in the UK from 1935 onwards were significantly superior to anything being produced in Germany, they weren't certified for production as UK standards were obviously much higher for certification. By 1945 UK Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aircraft engines were producing double the power of German axial compressor engines & had 500% higher reliability. *THE RR NENE WAS IN FACT THE MOST POWERFUL GAS TURBINE AERO ENGINE ON THE PLANET IN 1944 AND WAS A CENTRIFUGAL COMPRESSOR JET ENGINE.* That's hilarious - Krapper/ DiktorBummer claims Griffith's said Whittle didn't understand jet engines 😂 In fact Griffiths was already working on axial jet engine tech before 1930 & was aiming to use it as a turboprop engine. Before 1931 Whittle was aiming at gas turbine reaction thrust only with no propeller which Griffiths had doubts about. *Of course In 1944 The Nene was 2.5 x more Powerful than any German Gas Turbine in existence & had 500% higher reliability.* *The Jumo 109-012 reached non running Mock up stage & was abandoned.* *_In 1945 the Nene powered Gloster Meteor broke world speed records for jet fighter aircraft._* *Their comments are readykyoulous phFabrikayshunz.* 😂 _Multi stage sequential stator rotor Axial compressors & Axial turbines had been demonstrated before 1900 by Parsons in England. Internal combustion axial gas turbine aero engines were being considered, researched & built in England since 1925._ *Maxime Guillaume simply copied stuff from Parsons writings & lectures into a fraud patent.* The Whittle centrifugal compressor internal combustion reverse flow & straight through combuster gas turbine aero engines is still manufactured & used for turboprop & helicopter applications & more than 30,000 have been produced so far. _The gas turbine was of course invented in England before 1800, why would they expect it to not have been the case, obviously._ *The world's first demonstration of a practical internal combustion gas turbine aircraft engine was in England in 1937 by Whittle.* It used a car engine for starting (spinning the main gas turbine shaft), the car engine was disconnected after starting. Electric motors were also used for starting - Standard practice. All previous attempts by others had various non pure gas turbine aero engine features such as a compressor stage that was actually operated by a piston engine with a combustor stage & no turbine stage. *_The world's first demonstration by Parsons of the components of a coupled multi stage axial compressor & axial turbine unit using sequential bladed rotor stator stages was in England before 1900 when of course people in England began considering their use as the basis of an axial compressor internal combustion gas turbine aero engine._* The Nickel alloys suitable for turbine blades in gas turbine aero engines was developed in Hereford England, alloys used anywhere else up to the 1940s were inadequate. Parsons didn't manufacture steam engines. Steam engines don't have multi stage bladed sequential stator rotor axial compressors & turbines. & *Oh yes, the PW200 range of gas turbine engines are in fact directly derived from the Whittle centrifugal compressor internal combustion reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine which of course was demonstrated for the first time in the world by Whittle in England in 1937.* *OF COURSE* *_Air travel safety often depends on British made and or designed tech or British aerospace advanced technology, R&D, science & Engineering._* *For anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner there's a good possibility that the engines will be RR gas turbine aero engines designed & built in England with those engines being monitored by people in an English county.* England, the home country of RR (aero engine stuff) & it's lands, counties & shires will of course be producing - - 🎺📯🎺📯 *_The RR Trent Ultrafan_* *The Worlds Largest Gas* *Turbine Aero Engine.* 📯🎺📯🎺 👍👍 *_A typical but very tiny glimpse of what goes in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* - Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter. AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft. *F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.* *_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._* 😂👍 Cheers😎 . .... ... . .... . . . .... .. ... .. ... . . xxxxxxxxccvvc vvvvvvvvcvcvcv

In many cases they were the first lot of people who often either got info or info & actual engines from England one way or another or they were the second lot of people who got engines and or engines & info from the first bunch of people. The basic modern axial gas turbine aero engine hardware concepts being produced in England before 1900.

The Hunter did get spanked by Paki F-86s. They were better dog fighters just like MiG 19s are better dog fighters than F-4s. Pilots need to use the strengths of their aircraft.

Indian Air Force flew Hunters, Pakis, claimed to have shot down 5 Hunters???

There were only two winners in WW2... Britain was not one of them

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, it's always a joy to observe your bitter wehraboo cope. Faced with the historical reality of the humiliation of your luftwaffe dreamboys by the RAF followed by Britain and its allies thrashing your nazi heroes (and spanking the Germans for the second time in barely thirty years, which is a win in anybody's book), leaving their '1000 year reich' in ruins, its leaders dead or tried and imprisoned, the country divided and occupied, millions of its people dead, millions of its men in captivity and hundreds of thousands never to return, its women abused in the most horrible way, its citizen exposed as gullible fools or worse and its reputation tarnished by the most reviled regime in history, and all you can manage is pathetic whining like that last. Hey Sandyboy as you know, Britain was a leading force in aircraft technology and the US was dependent on British jet technology for much of its early jet development. British jet engines both axial flow and centrifugal flow were as you know superior to their German wartime counterparts and with Americas improving postwar engines are the basis of most modern jet engines. As you know sandyboy most modern jet engines are bypass engines, a technology pioneered in Britain with the first patent for such an engine awarded to Whittle in 1936 and the first bypass engine in service the Rolls Royce Conway. With successful jet aircraft like the Meteor, Vampire, Canberra, Hunter, Provost, Hawk and Harrier and engines such as the Derwent, Dart, Nene, Sapphire, Avon and the Spey Britain has established the world's second biggest aerospace industry, BAE Systems in Europe's biggest defence contractor and Rolls Royce is the biggest European jet engine maker.

"Far superior " for the 2 minutes the mig 19 could afford to spend on afturburner...Maybe less. Even then at low (

Ok

At the time the UK, for various reasons, was considering discontinuing jet fighter aircraft completely, especially anything supersonic, turned out to be the wrong idea anyway. Even so, research activity continued & info gained was often freely available to allied nations. The Fairey Delta 2 was the first jet aircraft to exceed 1,000 miles per hour (1,600 km/h) in level flight.[2] On 10 March 1956, it set a new world speed record of 1,132 mph (1,822 km/h), exceeding the previous official record by 310 mph (500 km/h).[note 1] The Delta 2 held the absolute World Air Speed Record for over a year. It continued to be used for flight testing, and was allocated to the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) in 1958. In 1944 for example the most powerful gas turbine aero engine on the planet was of course the RR (of England) Nene.

Not ChatGPT

That's a good one 😂

Where are you from, Zac?

British. Say it Zac: British! Best word in 400 years. And say Thank you Zac, to those brave British whose freedom you inherent. ❤🫡🍺

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Britain surrendered to the Americans, the UK is still occupied by American military forces today

​@@WilhelmKarsten Krappenz DiktorBummer KARZEESTAN Jurkzxoffenzstadt & co - they should all note with much awestruckness and great wonderment. ***** *How come they can't answer simple questions - why is that?* ***** *As they are aware.* British military forces occupied Germany for many years after 1945. Russia still has a part if what was Germany land The UK has nukes. Russia has Nukes. Germany does not have nukes. *_DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SAY SOMEWHERE THAT THERE'S AIRLINER ASSEMBLY LINES OR SIMILAR IN THE UK OR IRELAND OR THAT Airbus or BOW-WING is actually British? (B-47 wings on many occasions folded up in flight or dropped off while parked)._* Of course Brazil makes very good airliners & Brazil is 100th down list along with Indonesia for wealth per capita. *Norway Holland Denmark Ireland Belgium - Top 20 wealth per capita - Don't make airliners - its as simple as that.* BAe Systems & RR combined now do more Airbus work than Germany on an absolute basis & significantly more work than that on a per capita basis. Per capita for the home nation BAe Systems is the world's largest defence contractor. _BAe systems announced the recent £4 Billion takeover of Colorado based US based Ball Aerospace._ *BAE systems now does a significantly higher value of work for Airbus than it did when it was a major Airbus shareholder before 2005.* *_RR now owns US Engine maker Allison for example which does classified Aerospace work for the US Govt._* The UK has more important stuff to do these days. _Routine simple passenger aircraft airframe assembly is becoming more of a 3rd world / trailer park area thing._ EG - *_The DH Comet - world's first high altitude capable pressurised passenger cabin jet airliner in regular service, world's first jet airliner aircraft to cross the Atlantic, worlds first jet airliner aircraft to complete a global circumnavigation flight series._* *They might try to sensibly answer this question - why do they believe that BAE Systems & RR (aero engines etc) & other companies, for example should be doing anything other than what they currently do & where do they get the idea from that the DH Comet had any affect at all on the progression UK aerospace sector.* *Anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner stands a good chance of being on an aircraft powered by RR gas turbine aero engines built in England.* 📯📯📯📯 *The New RR Trent Ultrafan* *Built In England* *_World's Largest (see T&Cs)_* *_Gas Turbine Aero Engine_* 📯📯📯📯 👍Manufactured by the people on a small island with less than 1% of the world's population.👍 *_A typical but small glimpse of what goes on in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* - Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter. AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft. *F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.* *_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._* They might like to answer these questions. *Which airline has just ordered* *60 RR England Trent XWB Engines* *& What aircraft are the engines for?* _Bonus question for 10 extra points._ Which country has the *World's Highest Combined Per Capita* *Nuclear / Defence / Aerospace Sector Activity?* 👍 & 🙂 & of course 😎 indeed. Cheers. _Toodle_ -PIP- *Old* *_Chap._* . ... . . ..... . . ... . . . .. . .....cvcvv ccicci vivvixxixx icciccivcvcvvv