When Indian Hunters Met Pakistani Sabres (Indo-Pak War 1971) 

Thank you very much for sharing your experience! It must have been an exciting job to do.

Thank you for your service Sir - An Indian

Goa 1961 not 1962 as mentioned.

👍👍🇮🇳🇮🇳🧡💙💚👨‍✈️👩‍✈️....JAI HIND✌✌

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And sometimes, Sabres were sabred 😁

Thank you for that insight. That's an interesting topic you mentioned 😉

Wouldn't fully agree with indian pilots but still you have some examples like Nirmal Jits you can't deny either.

​@@Ghost0fPakistan Nobody cares what you agree

​@بھوت Wonder why won't you agree after losing all the air wars.. or would you like to know the Keelor brothers better

Results of that war showed Indians were superior in all formats of war in 1971

Thank you for the feedback! I find all of that stuff interesting although, it is generally harder to find info on lesser known conflicts and nations.

Thank you for the feedback! I am happy to hear that your grandfather is alive and well!

😂grandson of a terrorist. Declaring his pride for the terrorism of his grandfather 😂😂 What else can be expected from pakistanis...

OMG!!, That's a great personal story there, 💯👍

DHA me konsa plot mila? corner waala?

@@docwolf1561 🤣🤣

A true classic! Obrigado!

Thank you for sharing your personal experience. There might be another video with him soon on this channel.

@@showtime112 wow much appreciated, lookong forward to it

@@yexianglim-6811 You are Indian?

@@IconicBeastPro No I’m Chinese from Malaysia, LT Karambaya retired from the IAF then he came to Malaysia as an instructor in my Flight School.

Great

There will be videos about Jordanian and Iraqi Hunters in action.

@@showtime112 The "H-3 airfield" battle in june 1967 in Iraq is perhaps the biggest arab air victory in the XX century.......The Hunter was the "Star"!!!!!

@@alejandrocasalegno1657 This is definitely in the 'to do' list.

@@showtime112 Some say H-3 was a international effort.....a iraqui base, jordan Hunters and pakistani pilots.

​@@alejandrocasalegno1657Pakistan pilot FLt Saif Ul Azam shot down 1 Mirage 3 and 1 vautour( both crew ejected and captu red) with Irakian Hunter F59no570 with30mm guns. Another vautour shot down by another Hunter and crew killed. But Hunter wingman killed by another mirage3

True. Thank you for commenting!

Thank you for the feedback and for being a subscriber!

@@showtime112 Yeah same. These Pakistanis were committing genocide against the local people in Bangladesh. We showed them whos boss.

@@showtime112 No problem, bdw.. We love Croatia!

​@@Snow-tm9ic indian armed and trained "local people" had been committing genocide against the non bengali population and pro Pakistan bengalis for more than a year before a handful of Pakistani soldiers showed them who the real boss was. But of course by then political and social situation had gone too far for the worse and their fate was sealed.

​@@amjadmuhammadiqbal4721 the Vortex gives interesting details of the 1971 war.

Thank you for your feedback! Indo-Pak wars surely are full of interesting elements for the lovers of military aviation. I hope you try DCS too, thank you and keep watching!

@@showtime112 Thank you, I sure will now that I got a joystick, and congrats on your work!

I like them too. There was this great advance in technology but the human factor was still incredibly important, maybe even more than with piston aircraft. My grandfathers had pretty boring jobs, unfortunately 😁

There's just one now, If I'm not mistaken?

How true and very sad! We hardly make anything now

It is unfortunate considering Britain was the birthplace of the Spitfire and the Mosquito! The Battle of Britain inspired so many!

Mistake trusting americane & British poloticians.

You can blame the madness that was "Concorde" for the largely missing UK Aircraft Manufacturing - a golden nail in the coffin... the UK could have produced an aircraft better than the Jumbo 747 - but they choose the wrong path - much based on the ego of those in the driving seat of the companies involved and government. Concorde was said to be the equivalent of the UK's 'space program' due to its complexity - it was a dismal failure that destroyed its manufacturers. We could have produced thousands of the 'British 747' instead of just 20 Concordes - and if we'd done that Britain would still lead the world in Aircraft manufacturing. "Pride" is a sin...

Thanks for your feedback! There will definitely be more Hunter videos in the future!

How can i get one scale model of hunter. Plz reply

Thank you for sharing! I think some of those Close Air Support missions might be covered in a video someday.

In that case, there will be more!

Thank you for providing that info!

Thank you for sharing your experience! More Hunter videos to follow.

@Robert Whitworth My old man worked groundcrew over there on hunters after he left the RAF. Around 1980-81 I think.

@@Dezzasheep I got to Oman after the Hunters had retired ,was there for the end of the Jaguars,still a few Airworkies left though :)

@@expat0149 Airwork.... Yes! That sounds familiar. He was over there for a couple of years, it set my parents up to buy a house.

@@Dezzasheep call him a Thuggy ;)

Thank you very much for this. Millions of subs are nice but I'd rather choose millions of views :)

I was essentially guessing it but I appreciate your confirmation that it was good!

Thanks for the comment!

I agree that these older jets were something special!

The Vulcan a bomber also had great and menacing looking lines and the TSR2 so wrongly cancelled when it met all expectations was also very good looking. The best one currently is …for my money ….the SU 57.

Thanks for the comment! The Battle of Longewala has been suggested by several people and it might indeed be a future subject.

Yes, it has that classical look I really like.

Thank you for commenting!

I quite agree!

Simple. Most aviation documentaries are the products of the West. They highlight what they want to highlight. For example, the West seems to put an "unusual" amount of stress on "superb" Israeli fighter pilots shooting down Arab pilots in all of the Arab Israeli conflicts, failing to mention how poorly trained the Arabs pilots really were and, in many cases, still are. This is about the same as American pilots shooting down North Korean pilots who were sent into combat with barely 40 hours of flight time whereas the vast majority of American pilots were WW2 veterans. Once the experienced Soviet pilots began to fly the Mig-15s the odds shifted a bit. It was the same story in the first Gulf war. The Iraqis were no match for American aircraft, technology and their experienced pilots. Bluntly, the West is surreptitiously demonstrating its superiority by only highlighting conflicts where it was successful. You do not hear too much about the North Vietnamese pilots who shot down Americans during the Vietnam war. The India and Pakistan conflicts, while very short wars, saw some of the greatest dogfights of the classic jet age ever fought. Mostly low-level fights and lots of them. But as you observed, they do not get much attention. Both countries produced some excellent pilots and despite what is stated in some media reports, there was a great deal of chivalry among the Pakistani and Indian pilots. The father of a friend of mine flew 26 missions in the 1971 war. He also shot down 1 x SU7 and damaged another in a confrontation while flying the F86. His father recounted an incident where a Sikh Indian pilot (a senior Wing Commander) was shot down by a much younger Pakistani pilot in a dogfight. The Indian pilot ejected and survived and was taken a PW. The Indian pilot was taken into a bunker where they all shared some food, beer, and conversation. A few days later, he was shown the gun camera film of the pilot who shot him down and they were discussing what "errors" he had made and so forth! LOL! Per my friend's father, there was no hostility or bad blood at all. They all saw each other as professionals.

​@@tibzig1 yes one of the shot down pilots of PAF in 1971war later became Pakistani air chief marshal.

@@joydevsarkar4474 Yes. The PAF pilot was P.Q. Mehdi. Decades later, the IAF pilot who shot him down sent him a congratulatory letter upon hearing that he had become the new chief of the PAF. The new chief replied, and they had a hearty talk about the old times. This level of professionalism and chivalry is very common among Indian and Pakistani pilots.

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I needed new aircraft to do new content. Took me a while to get to the Hunter :)

india and pakistan are brothers, without the parents. that is what makes them perfect enemies. was there a fighter plane with a rearwards firing gun, and if no, then why not ?

I'm glad you liked the video! Thanks for this elaborate comment. I'd like to cover some of the Rhodesian Hunter action too someday.

@@showtime112 Please do

I am very glad to hear you think so, thank you!

Thank you! WT was the logical next step since DCS doesn't offer so many possibilities.

Thanks! I'm glad you appreciate it.

Thanks for sharing!

I'm am happy to hear it, thank you for your comment!

Thank you for your comment!

Thanks! I'm pleased to hear it.

Thanks for this very positive feedback! And for being around for a while.

@@showtime112 My pleasure to be one of your followers. You always upload impressive presentations. It is really enjoyable to watch. Thanks and please keep up the good work.

Thanks, I sure will!

That would certainly be interesting. Sadly, no simulation or game features it as far as I know. Maybe WT will introduce it someday.

Thank you for your feedback! Feel free to check out other videos.

There seems to be a consensus on that :) Thank you for the feedback!

Thank you for commenting!

Thank you for the feedback! I think viewers are clearly showing they would like to see more of the Hunter. So be it :)

I think Hunter is a bit overlooked, probably because it's not American or Russian and it was used in combat by countries such as India, Jordan and Iraq. Their combat record is definitely not known well enough throughout the World.

There will be more videos covering that topic. Thank you for your comment!

I am glad you liked it, thanks!

Thank you for your comment! I can't remember there was a fight between those two. Starfighter fought MiG-21s on a few occasions and one shot down a Mystere I believe.

​@@showtime112there was an encounter, a special one, flt Lt Divya an hunter pilot rammed his plane to a starfighter in Pakistan after he felt return to India was impossible in crippleed plane ,

Glad you liked it! Thanks!

Thank you for the comment!

Thank you for your comment! Hunter is not a mod, this video was done by War Thunder where Hunter is one of regular airplanes (although it takes a lot of grinding to get to it). But now that I've got it, I intend to use it a bit more :)

I appreciate your comment!

I am grateful for your comment!

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback!

Hvala, drago mi je da ti se sviđa video!

If we had a map with London in it, it could make a good topic for a video.

Thanks again, Pappa! This is War Thunder. I'm experimenting a bit and I put the video in 'People and Blogs' category instead of 'Gaming'. Maybe it will reach a wider audience that way, who knows?

Those machines deserve more attention I believe.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

@@showtime112 I made a couple myself.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-crvAwPynYoo.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F4lkwRLenZs.html

Thank you for the comment!

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback!

Thanks for the feedback! I intend to do some more stories about the Hunter.

Nope, not a prank :)

There will be more Hunter videos. Apart from India and Iraq, Jordan also used Hunter in combat in the 1967 War. The Sea Hawk was indeed used by India and in 1971 it sank some Pakistani vessels. It seems like it was also used by RN in the Suez War in 1956.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I intend to cover some more of Hunter operations in the 1971 war and also in the previous one.

I will definitely cover M.M. Alam and his combat record someday. I do have the Hunters now but in a different game (War Thunder). It took a lot of grinding to get to it and now it will take more grinding to get Sabre. The Sabres you saw here are AI controlled and I need them flyable. But I will unlock the Sabre one day, and then a video about this story will be possible. Thank you for your comment!

That engagement hasn't been confirmed by either side. They are all claims with no proof. Pakistan, PAF, his squadron, and even his wingmen haven't confirmed the event. Instead, Pakistani pilots have contested his claims. And conveniently enough, MM Alam was flying the only F-86 Sabre in the PAF inventory that "didn't have" a gun camera. No wreckages or bodies were found either.

@@AT-bo6ww you stated that engagement hasn’t been confirmed by “either” side. You are wrong, it was confirmed by the Pakistan Air Force and MM Alam was officially credited with shooting down 5 Indian hunters. I don’t want to have an argument with you and I think it’s best if you let showtime112 to decide himself, after all it’s his channel. So, let’s leave it there…

@@samisattar6308 Again, those are just claims. No proof was provided and some of the most significant Pakistani pilots have discredited them, but yeah, I'm not here to argue, just letting you know.

@@AT-bo6ww I’m not here to argue either but just wanted to correct your statement when you wrote to quote”that engagement hasn’t been confirmed by either side” unquote which I repeat is wrong as the Pakistan Air Force officially claimed the shoot downs. I’m just letting you know as well. Now, let’s leave it here….

I sure will, thank you!

I've so far covered the victories of Saiful Azam in the 1967 Arab=Israeli War but I will cover other Hunter battles too.

Thank you for your feedback! In the future, I might cover some of the Rhodesian Air Force action, both with Hunters and Canberras.

The 'Green Leader' raid by Rhodesia is a legendary air operation. The full audio of the Rhodesian air crews exists on YT, and would be amazing if mixed with your video recreation.

Thanks for the feedback!

Thanks for the feedback!

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I'd say, a lot of it was in the general strategic situation. Plus, Indian Air Force outnumbered Pakistani.

It served its purpose extremely well 😁

Thank you for the comment! I seem to remember reading somewhere that Hunter had the heaviest cannon firepower after A-10. There could be others, if some of the viewers know, they can comment.

Four very fast firing guns as well.

The guns on the Hunter were contained together in what was called a quick change tray,or pack.That was for fast turnaround and or maintenance.

@@eugeneoreilly9356 , I’ve swapped out a few gun packs on Hunters

@@pauldavidson6321 , yup, ADEN guns. 800 - 1200 RPM

Sometimes, they are even in Il-2 😁 Thanks for the positive feedback!

So it seems!

Su 7 were even more sturdy and robust. The stars were the Gnats and HF Marut

Thanks for the suggestion. It wouldn't be very interesting to watch a duel between the two of us. He would win easily. I'm more of a film maker and I don't practice pure dogfights that much.

Hvala Medo! Bit će toga još :)

Thanks, I'm glad you like it!

Suffering is sometimes a good description 😁 Thanks for the comment!

Thank you for commenting!

Thanks for the feedback! British jets are a bit overlooked but I'll try to correct that a bit :)

I'm happy that you appreciate the video!

Thanks for the comment!

This is War Thunder. Yes, you need to use a separate mission editor for videos such as this one since the game isn't really made with this in mind. Thank you for the comment!

Thank you for your comment, I'm happy to hear it!

More on the way, stick around!

Thanks for the comment!

Sounds more dramatic than spiritual to me :)

@@showtime112 it's spiritual

Thanks for the feedback! There will be more Hunter videos, they seem to be quite popular. As far as I can see, Indian Hunters were not modernized significantly. They were either relegated to ground attack or second-line duties such as target towing.

Thanks for your answer!

More coming up! Thank you for the feedback.

Thank you for commenting! There will be more Hunter videos.

Thanks! I'd like to cover some of that. Challenges are in the fact that we don't have a proper map of the region and probably also no proper infantry units to represent what Hunters fought against. I need to see what can be done.

@@showtime112 in 1979 Hunters attacked Mapai Garrison which was Battalion strength.