In my opinion, Stan Wawrinka on his good day is untouchable for literally anybody in tennis history. Like, I mean it, when he's in the zone, he is a monster
@@aleksamilosevic8792 yeah and he did beat him so whats your point? If stan is on he destroys djokovics defense with his insane power! Of course he cannot do it everytime but when hes in the zone novak has no chance , nobody does
Because he realised that this is nothing special wining few grand slam title.... NOVAK nadal federer will be remembered like biggest champions in tennis history
I hate to say it guys, but bubufubu is correct in this debate. Nothing, I repeat nothing in tennis history indicates that Stan was going to beat a healthy Nadal in this match. Stan was winless against Nadal and had not even taken a set from the Spaniard. In spite of beating Djokovic, which it is documented that Stan's style works well against Djokovic's style, there is nothing that shows that Stan could beat Nadal in a BO5 match. Styles make fights and Stan, even Stanimal 2.0, did not have what it takes to best a healthy Nadal in reasonable form in a BO5. Many people bring up the first set, but how many times have we seen an inspired player take the first set, only for Nadal to find his rhythm and become too strong for the "said player" in the course of a bo5 match. All-out aggressiveness and power can usually not hold against Rafa in BO5, with Soderling being the rare exception. History also shows that in spite of Nadal's struggles in earlier rounds of slams sometimes, he usually brought his best by the time the semifinals and finals roll around. Just ask Federer and Djokovic how difficult it is to beat a locked in Nadal. What we do know is that Stanimal 2.0 had not arrived till 2013- 2014(despite not winning, he had given Djokovic lots of trouble in slams since then). Stan was winless in both matches and sets to Nadal up to that point. Post Stanimal 2.0, Nadal leads 7-3. One loss was ofc AO 14 Final(Nadal injury) and the other two came in 2015---Nadal's worst year of his career---where everybody was beating him and he was just a shadow of his former self. Therefore, as it stands, nothing indicates Stan, even Stanimal 2.0(0-6 vs uninjured and normal Nadal) has what it takes to best an uninjured Nadal in reasonable form in BO3, let alone BO5. Would have Stanimal made this a competitive match? Absolutely. Was he going to beat a healthy Nadal over the course of 5 sets? Likely not. To conclude, if Stanimal was as unstoppable as some of you say he is, how did he lose in such pathetic fashion in RG 17 final? Surely "God Mode Stan" would have at least made things competitive if he was as great as some of you think he is.
That ending kind of made me emotional. He was so humble. He was sympathetic of Nadal's loss though I'm sure he was very ecstatic to finally win a slam.
@@azazello1784 Dude, sympathy isn't being about winning or losing, I always remember the gesture Nadal had towards Federer in Ao 2009, I think till this it's one of the most kindest gestures in the history of tennis. Nadal totally supressed his emotions in finally winning his first AO against his great rival, and comforted Roger totally when he was emotional in losing.
The quality of Stan's tennis here is impossible. Hard hitting with extreme consistency and accuracy from both sides, plus great serving and some nice volley in between. A beacon of hope to us mere mortals!
Stan has a losing h2h in slams vs Fed. Stan also has losing h2h in slams vs Nadal. Stan is close vs Djokovic in h2h in slams, but still Djokovic is leading the h2h in slams 5-4 vs stan, and Djokovic has 24 slams to his name.
I'm a Stan the Man fan but Rafa was injured here. Rafa even said he should have skipped this match due to his injuries, but you don't walk out of a GS final so he still showed up. As much as I love Stan, I just can't see him beating an in-form Nadal on hard.
Indeed, in my opinion, he is the only player who can control the one handed back hand fully, from hitting the ball short to deep and adjusting angles and levels of spin
@@maheshwaran3768 Clearly Wawrinka was dominant all the time. Rafa was not looking injured initially, Wawrinka's game made him injured...and also Nadal has injury problem on every part of body since the beginning of his career so it's nothing new. Don't be a blind follower, you should give respect to opponent's skills also.
To beat Nadal you either have to out-Nadal him which Djokovic does, or just push him around the court like Soderling, Wawrinka, and Del Potro have done. Either way it's a very tough task.
Feliciano Ernesto Guevara well Djokovic beat him in 2012 AO final, a match which Nadal admitted to giving it his absolute all and playing his absolute best tennis.
@アンディマレー There is no doubt that Wawrinka wouldn't have beaten a healthy version of Nadal. Nadal was 12-0 against Wawrinka before the final. In the final Nadal had a back injury and couldn't run and move properly.
@アンディマレー No, he was just facing an injured version of Nadal, who had a back injury and couldn't run or move properly. Nadal dominates Wawrinka all his career 17-3 for a reason. Look at how a healthy Nadal destroyed your "Stanimal" at Roland Garros 2017. Same would have happened here, but unfortunately Nadal had a back injury.
Let's not forget this was Stan's first Grand Slam final.He was almost 29 back then, he always had the game to compete at a top-level but I feel he was falling short mentally. Only after having started working with Magnus Norman he became the Stanimal that we know today. However,once again this was his first GS final and in the tennis era that we're living, you can never take for granted that you'll get a second shot. And for anyone who knows anything about tennis, one can easily get distracted and divert from his game plan when facing a seemingly injured opponent(even more I'm stressing this out, when you're in your 1st GS final at almost 29). So kudos to Stan for being able to focus on his game only and finish off the match, regardless of his opponent fitness state.
What a champ, no over celebration even though it was his first grand slam, acknowledged the injury of his opponent. Class act, take notes kyrgios, this is how a grown up man acts, Stan The MAN
I think he just knew he wasn´t the goat, and he just beat someone who potentially is, at least on clay. Had he been few years younger and vying for a goat position would have been different. He knew he was just Stan. A guy who beat Nadal in a GS final and he was quite happy with that without need for additional fanfare.
@@innosantoWeird in how the last three sets unfolded. In set two, Nadal’s injury flared up, and he could barely move, making it uncompetitive. In set three, Wawrinka started to rally straight back at Nadal instead of making him run, for some reason. Meanwhile, Nadal flattened out his shots out of necessity and strangely took control. And then in set four, Wawrinka broke through, only to immediately give the break back, and then break again.
Nadal is 17-3 against Wawrinka. Nadal was injured here. Healthy Nadal destroyed Wawrinka at Roland Garros 2017. So healthy Nadal would have destroyed this Wawrinka.
I love this era of tennis! You have the 3 greatest of all time in Djokovic, Nadal and Federer and whilst their all arguably still at the peak of their games, come along Stan and on his day is able to just blow any of them off the court! It’s really quiet incredible where you have these 3 consistent GOATs but one can argue that the peak level of Stan is better than the peak level of the other 3...the way he played in this tournament and the French Open is just unplayable!
@@jeremiet2739 You understand English? I meant outside clay. They have faced each other more than 15 times off clay. Are you telling me Stan could not bring his peak level in any of those meetings?
The only player who never lost any Grandslam final he played.He played 3 major finals against Nadal in AO 2014 and he won and he played Novak twice in French open final 2015 and US open 2016 and he won both.
With or without injury Nadal was going to get hammered on that for sure. Stan defeated AO GOAT in epic five sets - he was on another level in that event. Nadal was simply awestruck by his level.
points at 2:16 9:55 11:07 always lights me up cuz nadal would do that to federer getting him in the backhand cage and when he did it with wawrinka he just got demolished
"demolished" hahahahaahaha, Nadal is like 15-3 against Wawrinka he still does the same thing against him and wins consistently to this day, Nadal was clearly injured and the highlights only show winners not the UE, this is too stupid.
Feliciano Guevara Ironically, that's when Nadal just gave up the match, he was clearly injured and was hitting his serve 20 mph less than his usual average whicbh was already slow, he was just trying to make the points shorter because he couldn't manage any long rallies.
yeah it looked to me as if nadal just couldnt accept his moonballs doing having no effect against a single handed backhand...n he just practically gave up
+Rajesh Parab Rafa in 2015, was certainly worse than Jan 2014. So, no, no one sees the connection between Rome 2015 and Jan 2014. Since you're making up trans-chronous incongruities, I might as well make my own and point out WTF 2013, Shanghai 2013, RG 2013 and Madrid 2013 then. Ring any bells? ;)
When Stan is in this mood, he is unplayable- but that’s the problem, he’s not often in that mood!! And that’s the difference between Stan, and Novak and Rafa, the latter two are far and away more consistent week in and week out….. Stan is like a passing Storm!!
Wow. Stan was great, unstoppale one could say. But you can see Nadal was clearly injured or hurting from second set on. Kudos to Rafa for sticking it out to the final end. It just made Stan's moment more sweet that the final match was completed.
nadal has given his all tennis in the semis with roger and when facing stan in the finals all he needed was to recover from those damage roger gave him....nadal didn't have the proper grip he wanted cause those blisters hurt him so much.....and stan played well too
Not even nadal fan but it is wild that before this match he had never lost a set to stan in like 10 matches on all surfaces. Stan is the man, I miss these days from 2007-2016, that was when was when tennis peaked, now it is shit it has to be said.
Please no nasty comments although responses are welcome. I'm a djokavic fan I've seen all the great matches between all the best players and think they are all amazing but to be honest in my opinion when Stan plays his best tennis as he did here against Nadal on hard court. He can beat any body and is the best...... It just simply doesn't happen as much as it does for the big four. That's why they have Moe grand slam titles.
It’s amazing the effect different tennis players have on each other? Nothing mattered here. Stan was just on plan...Then 3 years later same event another final and Federer does it...
Nadal sure wasn't injured right from the start as some Rafa fans are claiming. At 3:55 you see the look of a player who was still firmly believing in his chances. The injury only started somewhere at the beginning of the second set. 5:50 is the first signal of Nadal not moving freely, caused by either an injury or being demoralized by Stan being in the zone. Perhaps a little bit of both.
What did Stan say to Nadal at the net after winning and Rafa replied it's Ok? Same way he said something to Novak after winning the 2015 French open and to my surprise Novak also reacted the way rafa did. May be he says..." i am sorry.. I didn't mean to win"..lol
@@innosanto nadal was injured in the game. he had to have physio come and check out his knee mid game if you missed that. this match was the start of nadal's 2015-2016 period where he could barely play because of his knee. Wawrinka noticed this and asked him if he was alright.
Impresionante Stan !!!! Qué, recuerdo tan grato !!!! Bien merecido,es difícil jugar con alguien que está disminuido,te juega en contra la cabeza y hay que ordenarse mentalmente. Gran triunfo. Se te extraña STANIMAL !!!! 💪
@@Backtothe90s Antes que le doliera la espalda a Rafa, Stan Wawrinka ya le había ganado el 1° er set así que no hay que desmerecer el triunfo de wawrinka.
Nadal kept on playing with serious injury where no other player could even dream of this. He even pulled off 3rd set with 25% of his normal ability. But hey well done to Stan!
Rafa at east took a set. In the previuos match Rafa defeated Federer in straights. If this was whooping ass, what was the semifina then? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
When stars aligned for Stanislaw, and he was in the matrix, he was unstoppable. He only lost in one grand slam final and made easy work of the best two tennis legends. You can tell Nadal isn’t accustomed in being manhandled while seeing so many yellow blurs blitz by him
Great match. I didn’t think Nadal was faking... but his injury was in the 2nd set. Wawrinka was already wiping the court with him... it wouldn’t have mattered if he hadn’t injured it. He still would have lost. I thought it was commendable that he kept fighting!
This doesn't make sense! If he's injured, he should have lost, in straight sets- 6-0 in the third! So are you saying, Stan deliberately lowered his game, to let him win a set, to prolong the match, because he knew he was injured? Bullshit, Stan would have finished him off, even quicker, if he had an injury, he won a set, because nothing was wrong with him- it was just a tactic, to distract Stan, so he would think, he was injured, and lower his game! There was no proof, whatsoever, in both movement, or shot selection, to show, he was injured, he seemed to be playing better, if anything- which meant, there was a phantom injury, you can't win a set, against a caliber like Stan Wawinka, with an injury, maybe a female player, but not a male top 100 player!
@@frankieredmond3828 I will, and get back to you- however, I still maintain my position, that Rafa, really wasn't injured, but just hoping, for a time delay, it's very easy, to claim injury, unless there's physical bleeding, or swelling, on the body, it's all speculation.
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. When a footballer or a sprinter pulls up with a tore hamstring is that staged too? What you're suggesting is if an Injury is not seen by the eye then there's no injury?. And on rafas part. He's a multi time grand slam winner, chasing Rogers record and (no offence to stan) playing against a player who, was in incredible form yes, but rafa wouldve seen this as a great opportunity to claim another grand slam. I can't see the most competitive player in the game, fake an injury.. To drop off and allow the other player to claim the title
@@frankieredmond3828 Watching the match- after injury time out, it seemed, Stan got very complacent, and let this injury, get inside his head, he started, missing a-lot more balls, and let Rafa in, the third set, what should have been a routine 6-0 win, turned out, to be a bit of a shambles! Fortunately, he got himself screwed on, in the 4th set- he would have made, one hell of a laughing stock, of himself, if he let Rafa back, in the match, and lost the next two sets! That might, have been, the end of Stan's career, and mental trauma, for him!
Still so embarrassing when Nadal (here) and Djokovic (US Open 2016) pretended to be hurt soon they realized that Stan the man would shoot them easily off the court.
