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Wow! That’s incredibly interesting Stephen, I had no idea that security officers would rely on the HDR 50! You’ve opened up a world for me! Funny I also alternate my rounds, using the same ammo. I’ve added a few to the menu, but thats a great combination! You would absolutely be very impressed by the HDR 68. And if you find a 16 joules version, I doubt you’d even want to modify it, if that’s what you usually do. Good luck!

@@AirgunAlley Thanks for reply yes we do or some of us its hard to get a Fire arm license in South Africa but we use HDP or HDR 50 with Pepperballs but its last resort we are very restricted by what force we allowed inforce here. Pepperspray then baton if that dont work the C02 HDR my job was to dangerous i quit after a year crime here worst in the world

But i might be forced to do it again becoz almost 40% unemployment in South Africa so yes the HDR 68 looks like a good option over the HDR 50

@@stephendippenaar8552 wear a nice bodyarmour armored helmet and pray to god

@@stephendippenaar8552 and practice aim and reaction

Oh my dear Connor! And I’ve been addicted to your kind comments, so thank you!! I’m very happy I was able to help with my videos and sounds like you’re having a lot of fun with your new toys! I must warn you… it’s veeeery addictive :)

@@AirgunAlley your not kidding ! Lol but a good addiction compared to some out there !

Yesss! Fun is the keyword here! And thank you for watching, my dear colleague! Those coconuts are cool, tough as hell. But I think I’ll continue with the Dominican ones from the super market. The slowmo effects are priceless with those. And they’re haaaaaard!!!

@@AirgunAlley Hi how to enhance the Clock version of umarex?? is it possible or you suggest me only to buy the revolver ??

Wow, thank you so much for this!! 🙌🏼

Awesome! Thanks a lot for this!!

I can’t agree with you more, Stuart! And thank you so much as always! Soooo…. Next week, be ready to get very, very jealous! I just got a super modified HDB68 😱 it looks so mean! I cannot wait to shoot it!! I’ll see you next week my dear mate, can’t wait for your reax on that 😊

@@AirgunAlley 🤣🤣 mate consider me jealous been looking at that HDB myself think that might be my next one if the Mrs don't moan.does look a beast Reckon you will have loads of fun with that plus 16 rounds can't Waite for that vid happy for ya mate 👍

You know, right after I was done filming I realized I didn’t chrono the devastators 🤦🏻‍♂️ I was able to recycle a few - I’ll do it in the next HDR68 video. I’ve yet to watch the one you’ve done HDR 68 vs HDR 68. I’ll be off work all next week - will be able finally catch up! Thank you my friend!

@@AirgunAlley Thanks. Looking foreward to your videos. Take care my friend 😃

@@AirgunAlley So, did you encounter any kind of problems when using the "recycled devastators"? In case you've done a video about that test, which I must have missed for some reason, please send me the link and forget my superfluous question :-) I also have a box of used (50 cal) devastators lying round (without any kind of visible damage to their plastic/metal parts), and I am planning to test them in the coming days in order to check whether they work properly with my HDR50 (11J).

Thank you Joe, I always appreciate it! Haha and I know you don’t like the 68 BUT I bet that if you try it, you will put down the 50 and the FSC forever ahahaha I agree with you, 110$ is nothing for this!

Joe, How do you get 35 out of a hdr 50?

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Thank you Ryan! That indeed is in the plans :) soon my friend, soon…

What's an HPA conversion?

What is hpa conversion

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Thank you ahahaha! I don’t know how, but I often manage to hit the same hole twice. Pure luck! :)

Hi Ronald! Yes you are right, that poor chrono suffers very much, every time I use it. I just ordered a new machine that also calculates the joules on screen. I promise you I will treat that one a lot better!! Thank you for your input!

​@@AirgunAlley 2023 Umarex T4E HDR .68 (12 julios), the previous model of 7.5 reached 30, the current model of 12 joules when modifying must exceed 30 joules

​@@AirgunAlleypardon me if I'm being dumb, but isn't it better to keep the chrono and target and consistent distances for comparison video?

Hahaha thank you :)

Hey man thank you so much! I agree, these things can generally and easily knock a person out. And your wish is my order :) Check out this video - I peppered the hell out of those mannequins…. and my self :( PEPPER BALLS by Jaw-Droppers (50 & 68cal) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MUV6YFyl5aY.html

@@AirgunAlley I’m seriously looking into purchasing the revolver and making contact with Buddha Troy for this mod…and now I’m am needing something that does not penetrate walls but does lay a cloud disperse..apartment dwellers are more inclined to that direction.

Try those Jaw-Droppers 68cal pepperballs- once you get that HDR. Great quality. Hahaha Troy is gonna love that Buddha title!

@@guyinthesky6696 12/20 gauge with #2 shot. These are not actual deterrents. I had an empire axe loaded with 1/2 riot balls, 1/2 pepper balls. (About 180 rounds in an electric hopper. I shot a trespasser with it. He kept charging me until I was out of ammo, this huge dude got me in a choke hold and I stabbed him in the thigh and then in the face. That dissuaded him for a minute but then he turned around like he wanted some payback, I drew my glock 23 and told him, I’ve gone everything I can to not shoot you, but now you’re forcing my hand. He left and I was glad to see him go

Kinda of thinking the same. Consistent 400-450 fps would a hell of a punch.

I have used a 16 joule version, not modified, and it used 1 CO2 capsule for 1 magazine, 5 shots!!! That crono he's using should be able to calculate the exact muzzle energy, 7.5J = 6 fpe 16J = 12 fpe and 30J = about 22 fpe It's not difficult to measure power when you have scales and a chronograph like he does.... there is a formula on line

I agree! Unless Devastator comes out with a slightly larger 68 cal version, I would avoid using them in the HDR 68…

Thank you my friend! Soon I’ll be creating on a other of your creations! Can’t wait !!

@@AirgunAlley 😎🏝

Informing and a high level of sophisticated humor make this..your production..Top Shelf.

Hahaha! Wet and sticky

Niiice congrats!! You’re gonna love it! Let me know your thoughts once you played with it a bit…

Hey man, would you mind telling me what modifications you did to get the muzzle energy up to 30j from the factory 7.5j? Even if you send it out to someone who worked on it, I'd love to know where you were able to do so to achieve that level of power. Any help would be highly appreciated. I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks in advance.

@@dinghuskahn5819 hey man! I’m in a plane about to take off. Pls check the description of the video. All info is there. Contact Troy

@@dinghuskahn5819 Just incase your interested, I bought mine off Ebay. A complete list of mods can be found in the description. Have fun!!

Where to buy

Wow interesting, thank you MR VeryFantastic! Send me the link if you have it, would love to check them out. There is so much cool ammo for the HDR 50 - now it’s time for the 68!!

@@AirgunAlley I've tried to send the link but it's been removed twice. Just put a eBay search for HDR 50 ammo. It's should be quick to find.

@@AkiraHDR50 just saw them! They look very cool! I'll shoot them an email... thanks again for pointing them out !

Hahahaha right you are my friend! I’ll try to convert those skeptics as soon as possible with a HPA vs CO2… shall keep you posted

Hahaha love it!! Thanks for this, I had actually never thought of frozen paintballs. I surely agree, they must really do a lot of damage 👏🏼

@Nick Chuck I said nothing about self defense in my comment...I just stated that this reminds me of, back in 1999, how we use to do this with paintballs. Far higher quality paintballs then you get today, btw...

Also, you didn't mention self defense, but that's how I saw the comment via, who legally would even use these guns unless you can't have a firearm. An old school marker, with upgraded hammer, springs and regulator can take a .68 nylon/steel round to 450+fps easy. Not to mention you can hold 200 in a hopper. Old school tech..

Thanks David! If you know of any, pls post some links, would love to have a look. I did a quick search on google and nothing came up. Thanks again

@@AirgunAlley possible to mould from pouring lead if that helps . I can look and see who sells

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank YOU

Absolutely my friend! The HDR68 truly has that extra punch! Despite the “low” power version.

Good system, Steve. Thanks!

😂 thanks Jack!

Ciao grande! Scherzi? È un piacere per me fare conversazione nella mia lingua :) Eh lo so, immagino sia fastidioso… e a pensare che oltre confine la versione 16j è legalissima, non aiuta. Cmq, leggi cambiano (quasi) sempre - magari un giorno sarà legale rimuovere il restrittore… et voilà!

Exactement, bien dit!

With the HPA adapter..the attacker might not get up🥲

The 16 joules version is out now and it’s amazing! Check out the ANSgear website :)

Hahahaha don’t jinx it Anthony! You’re right, but I usually shoot over it or to the side. Hope the landlord will never watch my videos 😬

Absolutely! 🙌🏼

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@@AirgunAlley please, do it

@@AirgunAlley 🥺🥺

It’s a cannon! It really depends on the country/state. In Europe each country has a joules limit, some I think reach up to 40 joules. In the US some states have regulations, others don’t. Hope this helps!

Hmmm problem is, they don’t sit properly in the magazine. They’re just too small

Thank you sir! Back at you!

Muito obrigado Antonio 🙌🏼 I hope things will change soon there!

Eu também fiquei empolgado!! Infelizmente acredito que o maior calibre que podemos ter em airgun será as .50 mesmo.

Já tem no Brasil sim . Falcon armas

Thank YOU!

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Hey Jeff! Sorry I’m not sure I understand… 🤔

Yup, not always easy to say, do and shoot everything perfectly when doing it all as a one-man-band. Further more time is not on my side with a demanding full time job and a small baby in the house. That said I truly do my best to get everything right and to be as accurate as possible, but sometimes imperfections happen. I felt that in the images it was pretty clear that the slugs went through the water jug, where there wasn’t any water, even if my excitement that followed the shooting - suggested otherwise. I did say something like “I look forward rewatching the slow-mo” for that exact reason. In any case I’m always big on letting the images speak. Now, the 7,5 watermelon was a lot smaller and almost perfectly round. The 30j was a lot larger and football shaped. The amount of watermelon that each projectile crossed, was very similar in both tests. In my view we’re still talking about apples and apples. I really appreciate you Keith, comments like yours push people like me to keep striving for perfection. Thank you

@@AirgunAlley well, I didn't expect that, my friend. My apologies for taking up so much of your time, but do appreciate your time as well ! I was just the devil's advocate ... after all, you deserve much respect for caring to do the work in the first place... AND clean up the mess. You have my respect, and everything in your video was entertaining and well thought out. Thank you, now get some sleep...

@@keithh.2624 hey man, thank you so much for this and truly no need to apologize… I’m always happy to get constructive “criticism” as it helps me improve. I have big hopes and plans for this channel, so it’s important to remain on top of everything, in the good and in the bad. Thanks again my friend !

Hi George! Thank you so much for your supportive words! They truly mean and help a lot! It’s funny you say this. I love these guns, I really do and it’s quite obvious. But one thing I’ve learned is how inconsistent they can be. I tried the Homewrekers and was barely able to shoot them. I know there were actions I could’ve taken to fit them in the mag, but… Anyway - here’s the video that came out of that experience ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q7E7ds24YQY.html

That said, and I may be overstating here, but the difference between shooting the HDR 50 vs the 68, to me, is almost like driving a cool moped against riding an actual motorcycle

Yup…straight up knowledgeable, entertaining and appreciated also.👍🏼

Homewrecker are amazing and price fair

@@AirgunAlley But your hdr 50 is weak very weak.

that’s exactly what i been thinking because i’ve found the ones i’ve fired already seperate easier and penetrate better, the only issue with designing it to split it it may end up separating in the barrel

Hey my friend, first off thank you so much for the superlike and for subscribing. They both mean a lot! 🙏🏽 And no offense taken, I love it when open and civilized conversations take place on my channel! Your input is very valuable. Now remember, these launchers are mainly marketed in Europe and other countries around the world where people don’t own firearms. In the US they are often (among) the only self-defense options for returning citizens (former felons) and other cases where people are not allowed a firearm… Thanks again!

Hi my friend, no you can’t insert them from the back. There are rings that close the back part of the magazine. With the HDR68 every projectile has to be loaded from the front…

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The 68 cal aluminum balls are great, CODODO’s ammo is excellent also Deez Bullets. You then have Z-ram and HomeDefense 24 hahaha there are a lot of great ammo out there. Have a look at some of my videos and pick the one like the most :) It also depends where you live and the shipping costs, go for the ones that are cheaper for you!

Oh and always have a batch of pepper balls!

@AirgunAlley very awesome, yes I've been watching ur vids all night at work, I'm gonna try the jawbreakes, riot balls, rubber steal, and a couple other types, didn't get the peppers, nxt pay, those are the most expensive, I'm not sure exactly what to get. I got the 68 cal. With the joules converter, do u oil the co2s? I think I saw u do something like that, do I need to buy oil? Thank you again for all your help and your reply, very generous of you, I really wanted to look at that Italian ammo but I think it was on eBay you had a link I really don't use that is there another website I could go to for that? I apologize if I'm wrong I've looked at so many videos the last 24 hours

Hello my friend, and thanks a lot! That’s a good question, I haven’t tried the Homedefence-24 aluminum mag - but it would make great sense if it was a bit tighter and fitted the Devastator perfectly. I wonder if the drum’s specs indicate that 🤔

@@AirgunAlley Well, I just searched the homedefense-24 site, and apparently they only make one for the HDR50. I admit I find it kinda odd that they don't make one for its bigger brother, so I just sent them an email, asking if they plan to make one any time soon (because that'd be great for all of us who have a passion for modding our HDR68 :-) On the same wavelength, the other EU-based company that makes aluminum drums for both the HDR50 and the HDR68 is the equally reliable Z-RAM, but unfortunately they seem to have run out of them, as their site says that both items will be "available soon" (whatever that means; hopefully, it won't take more than a couple of months for the drums to be available again on their site.. :-( UPDATE: Apparently, the good folks at Homedefense-24 did make an aluminum drum for the HDR68 as well, but it's now "sold out", so I can only hope they make a few more of them soon!

Good question Jonny. The modified cylinder for the Zrams is actually made to allow them to fit in length, not diameter. As the new 68 cal Zrams are a bit longer. In this case you would need to make/find a cylinder with tighter slots…. Basically almost any ammo made for the HDS 68 will be a tad loose in the HDR 68

@@AirgunAlley understood Ok cool Thank u again!!!

great vid as always

Thank you so much my friend!!

😂😂😂 they really stick their neck out for me, these mannequins 😬

Of course my friend! FPS stands for Feet Per Second, which simply measures the speed of the projectile: how many feet it travels in one second. Joules and FPE (or Foot Pound Energy) are the values you get by dividing the speed by the weight of the projectile. The faster and heavier a projectile travels, the higher the joules or fpe. Hope this made some sense…

@@AirgunAlley yes kinda but im really getting at is how powerful is it through translating this... is it knockdown power good enough for home defense will it stop an intruder?

Good question. Indeed mag and barrel are a bit wider. Most 68 cal ammo (like the devastators) were designed for the HDS 68 which has a bit of a tighter barrel. I’m sure that slowly most ammo makers will adapt to the new HDR

Hi! I would always recommend 68. I think a bigger caliber is way more effective for breaking coconuts ;) No, the max I’ve tried from a 50 is 20 joules… Thanks a lot my friend!

I love being an adult buying toys 😂

Again, great question. Let’s see what accessories makers will come up with!

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Sadly, I think they only sell the 7,5J version in the US. Or at least they did til not long ago. I looked and looked and looked for the 16J, with no luck at all. In Europe (well, in some counties) it’s actually easier to get these toys in all their varieties. Weirdly!

They are!! For every coconut I shoot… I eat three 😎🥥

@@AirgunAlley Lucky you, I need to explore my neighborhood for free food growing wherever.

Hi my friend! I’ve tried them many times, but never with a 7,5 joules. Only the 11j. However, I very much recommended them for the 7,5j as they’re extremely light and effective…

It’s all over anyway. We don’t use him anymore :)

Good question, I think only a chronograph can answer that :)

I 100% agree with you. The problem is, there are no 16j in the USA 😩

Thank you Jon! Yes, but also the addition of a small bb (in this case - other’s use other round metal bits) to control the flow of the CO2. If you only remove the restrictor, you lose all the gas at the first shot. Check out Rune Rebel’s channel. He has made some videos that explain the process… good luck :)

​@AirgunAlley rune rebel said just remove the valve block on the the 7.5 juke version you get as much power 5 good shots or however it holds?

Thank you Gaston! The next intro will be a sequel to this one… and I hope it will be funny! 🤞🏽

You mean from the factory one? 7,5 joules is not very strong. It restricts the air usage very much…

@@AirgunAlley but with the HDR50 we only get about 15 shots then its empty. The 68 must surely use even more gas?

Hey Nathan, apparently you can do something with the valve where the CO2 goes, that will help preserve gas. But you’ll have to turn to the experts for that. I can imagine how powerful those 6 shots are tho 💪🏼💪🏼

Get the HPA adapter and you’ll have consistent powerful shots…more the 5..say like 30

Hehe… not all ammo drops out, just the Devastators and many projectiles made for the HDS 68 which has a bit of a wider barrel. There’re plenty slugs out there that fit very well :)

Check this channel out, you may find something helpful for that… youtube.com/@umarext4elesslethalhomedef872

Or here! facebook.com/jeff.mackay.90?mibextid=LQQJ4d

I honestly don’t know my friend. Sorry! I hope someone that reads, will be able to answer your question

Salut mon ami! Thank you for your comment and I ave subscribed to your channel, very nice content, good job. If I may give you a suggestion, try to film horizontally (not vertically) as it looks a lot better on RU-vid. Of course that's not the case if you intend uploading more "shorts". Anyway, good luck my friend!!

@@AirgunAlley merci pour votre abonnement, je prend note je ferais comme sa pour la prochaine vidéo en tout cas c'est gentil pour votre commentaire sur mon contenu sa fais plaisir 🙏

I’ll have to try them! Thanks a lot!

Hi my friend - yes I always put all the links to everything in the video description. Let me know if there are links that don’t work, I’ll look for updated ones…

Yea that’s indeed a good idea, for the needed extra layer to make them fit perfectly

@@AirgunAlley I EVEN PAINT MY REGULAR .172 STEEL BB's TO MAKE THEM FIT TIGHTER IN .177 RIFLED BARRELS ,PLUS IT KEEPS THEM FROM BOUNCING AROUND INSIDE BARRELS WHEN SHOT ,THIS IS WHAT CHIPS THE BARRELS UP !. I BUY CERTAIN SIZE MARBLES AND COAT THEM ANY WHERE FROM 4 TO 8 TIMES WITH COATS OF PAINT .I BEEN SHOOTING MARBLES OUT OF MY PAINTBALL MARKERS FOR OVER 20 YEARS LOL ! . I LIKE TO USE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF PAINT , THAT WAY I CAN SEE THE COVERAGE ,AND MAKE SURE I GET AN ALL AROUND EVEN COAT !. NOW ON AMMO YOU WANT TO KEEP LOOKING THE SAME WAY ,USE CLEAR TYPE GLAZE FOR CERAMICS OR GLOSSY TYPE PAINTS ,REMEMBER A TIGHT FIT FOR AMMO IN BARREL MEANS ALL THE AIR BEHIND IT WILL BE THERE TO PUSH THE AMMO OUT OF BARREL , MORE AIR MEANS , MORE POWER ! ... GREAT SHOW AS ALWAYS MY BROTHER ! , FOR SOME EXTRA FUN , FIND YOU SOME LAKES OR RIVERS AND SWAMPS TOO SO YOU CAN SHOOT AT LONGER DISTANCES TO GET YOUR NINJA PRACTICE ON . YOU WILL SEE EGG-ZACT-LEE WHERE YOUR AMMO HITS BECAUSE OF WATER SPLASH . I SHOOT AT FLOATING THRASH ,LEAVES,TWIGS AND STICKS , ETC. I DONT LIKE SHOOTING AT WILD LIFE ,BECAUSE IF IM NOT EATING IT ,I WONT KILL IT USUALLY... .NOW BROTHER ,FOR HUNTING CAPABILITY , YOU SHOULD GO TO ACADEMY AND GET YOU THE ( .22 UMAREX ORIGIN RIFLE ) ,ITS A PCP AND COMES WITH ITS OWN HIGH PRESSURE PUMP , IT HAS SOME SPECIAL FEATURES IN IT ALSO .YOU CAN DEF HUNT AT LEAST PIGS WITH IT . I HAVE A NOVA FREEDOM WITH BUILT IN PUMP ,WHICH IS KINDDA LIKE THE UMAREX ORIGIN ,ITS REALLY AWESOME ,BUT I WILL BE GETTING THE ORIGIN SOON !!! THE THING ABOUT WALMART AND ACADEMY SPORTS ,YOU BUY SOMETHING ,USE IT FOR A MONTH AND IF YOU DONT LIKE OR LOVE IT ,RETURN IT FOR A FULL REFUND !!!

Hey John, I’d love to. But first I need to become a bit (a lot!) more successful with this channel so that manufacturers will start sending me guns to test. So far I test what I buy, and I buy what I can hehe… but soon my friend, soon 🤞🏽

You and your channel are awesome. With, a channel as well thought out like yours it will be sooner than later. Thank you for being the best. John

Oh man! Thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Some people know how to modify it to that power. However I suggest a factory 16joules if possible, they almost hit the same

Really? It’s not that hard my friend :)

Yessir! You are starting to scratch the surface of a very big iceberg :) I’m not an expert in power kits, but there is a lot out there…

@@AirgunAlley is there a power kit for the vigilante or triple threat?

Thank you my friend! You’re right, I also consider wasting water, a crime. BUT! that’s tap water (I refill the jug after we drink it) and in Florida we have the opposite problem of droughts. We have way more water than we need… wish we could send some where it’s needed!

Hey Johan! Nope, no more blowouts. I moved my CO2 cartridges back in the house (in the AC) and that seems to have worked. Basically the cartridges had gotten too hot, during that test I did, as I had recently moved them to my outdoor metal locker. Dumb idea!

I remember you saying that. Thanks for the advice and that was the problem.

Not really… you can try load one in the chamber, but it’s not meant for D shaped projectiles…

Hahahaha! Welcome to the club, it’s awesomely tragic

Now that’s an idea

That’s good that you have to jam them in. Strange though, as most people found them extremely lose. As you saw in the video, mine slipped through the barrel if I pointed the muzzle down

@@AirgunAlley My Devastators fall out of the barrel as well. I believe I wasted my money on the 68 Cal Devastators. 💵

Mine were super snug but came with a white nylon ball that's ment to push through the cylinder to widen the opening of yours fell out I can only imagine your cylinders have already been "broke" in

Hi Thomas, yes I am :)

@@AirgunAlley ok cool, Could you do a Test with the standard Drum and and aluminium Tuning Drum in comparison on your 30 joule hdr? That would be great!

I hope someone will be able to answer this, Raymond. Unfortunately I haven’t tested them yet…

Hey Cameron! Unfortunately Troy has momentarily paused his operations - as he’s had a series of misfortunes happening in this period. He’s working on getting things going again and is looking forward to resume shortly, he knows how much he’s needed!

I wish! There are two versions 7,5j and 16j - I think the criteria behind that is that one is for paintballing and the other more for “home defense” - sadly in the US so far we only got the 7,5j version.

@@AirgunAlley Thx. btw I was watching several vids on the T4E 68 and one guy just removed valve, litteraly unscrewd it, put CO2 in and he was shoting at 30-32 J

Cool Galad! The thing is, I’ve learned, a lot of times that is not enough - as often you get big power by removing the restrictor - but then you lose all the CO2 in a few shots. Usually you need to add something to the valve that closes it in time - to not release too much gas at once… but that’s for the handy-tech geniuses. I only shoot, film and review 😂

@@AirgunAlley …like Buddha Troy🤓

@@AirgunAlley : Umarex company, selling licencefree weapons, started in 1972 in Westgerman market. In 1972 ,denazified' Reichswaffengesetz from 1938 was replaced with restrictive ,Bundeswaffengesetz 1972' ( But compared to now, a bit more liberal). The 7,5 Joule is the , energy limit' for all kind of airguns , availlable licencefree in Germany. For stronger airguns, you need a ,Waffenbesitzkarte'. As far as i know, this stronger airguns are used here in Germany from some target shooters ( field target shooting) and hunters , in Germany the hunters have hunting times for different animals, and in non hunting time ( Schonzeit/ care time?) hunters do some huntrelated work in their hunting ,bout', and have only a .22 rifle with them, for the case, shooting foxes, weaszles , cats , crows etc. is necessary, some hunters use strong airguns for this purpose. Selfdefence is in Germany on paper allowed, but in reality unwanted. In 1890s the highest real policeman of Prussia, the largest german state at this day, hold a speech in prussian Parlament, in which he noted, more and more criminals use pistols, so the policemen armed only with sabers, can' t fight them. The consquences: a) Up to 1912 all german policemen got a pistol. b) A civilian need since then a ,Waffenschein'( Ccw licence) to carry a pistol . c) Arround 1905 licencefree blankguns for pepper and teargas cartridges appeared. Those blankguns had been licencefree in Imperial Germany, Weimar Republic, Hitlerera , and again from 1951 ( 52?) to 2008. In 2008 a ,ccw licence light' was introduced to carry blank guns, and current leftist gouvernement tries to restrict owning such blankguns more. You, as US citizen are informed about ,defence airguns' from Pepperball, Tipmann , Byrna or Hero. But, please inform yourself about french rubber ball pistols of Sapl company, or a belgian 44 mm ball launcher, all break action/ tip down weapons.