I've done a couple x-rays on nail gun injuries. They can go through bone, they can definitely puncture an eye ball. In medicine, as in law, it's never good when your case is 'interesting' or 'fun'.
Yeah, there even cases where they end up inside the skull. It's a lot more powerful than he thinks. Velocity can be up to 1400 feet pr second, so definitely not under 500 like he thinks.
Except they tumble in flight and at any distance past 2 meters they may puncture skin or go in your eye, but never go into bone unless it’s fired at point blank. A powder actuated nail gun requires a a lot of force on the muzzle to actuate, there is no way you push that hard into another person to fire it. ( they are typically 27 caliber) and require a licence to operate. A trim nailer could puncture skin as it has a small diameter projectile, but lacks the mass to do any real damage ( unless at point blank or in the eye). By the way I have been shot with both and have over 28 years of experience.
@@mary-janereallynotsarah684 He totally owes them a new phone! But I doubt he was high on dust, he didn't seem nearly as aggressive as most people become. I've seen some people do absolutely insane stuff while on it. It's one of those drugs that are usually kind of easy to notice when someone is on it, like heroin, fentanyl, tranq, nitty, angel dust, and the new meth that's out on the streets, that stuff is literally making people lose their minds quickly! It is scary to watch. We are people smoking crack and fentanyl or heroin just sitting on the bench at the park next door on a daily basis. It's so sad and depressing to see.
People just need to not bring a weapon! All the people at a protest, any protest, should look out for anyone that is trying to cause violence or get other people upset enough to become violent. Call those people out ASAP! Anyone that has a license to carry a concealed weapon should always leave it holstered while protesting (unless it's to protest a firearms issue, obviously). Because honestly I assume most protests are going to have some angry folks, I imagine that might have something to do with *why* they're protesting to begin with.
I was in a restaurant when a nail from a nailgun went through an elevated sign that was being rebuilt, through the roof, and stuck in a server's head. That caused damage like a stroke. It took about twenty minutes for an ambulance to arrive, and he didn't survive to make it to surgery.
this one reminded me of an incident some 40 yrs ago, when i was bike courier in TO flying down Younge St on a delivery. Got into altercation with a white van, after it tried to run me over, I was doing better than the speed limit but not good enough for this guy. Street down from old Maple Leaf Gardens, Wellington, i think, heading toward Bayview. Anyway, after a number of failed attempts to run me over, the driver suddenly screeched to a halt, ran to back of van, pulled out a Hilti gun and started firing at me. I dove behind some brand new cars at Bayview Cadillac, while the nails ricocheted off the caddies, i remained crouched, wondering if any witnesses around, and what little it takes for people to do crazy stupid shit. After firing off a shit load of nails, they took off. No witnesses. I wasn't afraid, but more surprised at the sheer audacity and stupidity, and always wondered if the dealership ever found any nails sticking out of their cars? Years later I tell my kids that bicycling downtown Toronto in those days was like being in a war zone. Every other day someone came back to the shop, scrapped, bleeding, and carrying bent pieces of their bike... then some years ago in TO now (2009?), a lawyer, actually attorney general ran over and killed a cyclist - oh well, tenuous strands to weave an interesting story.... And now, nail guns openly flashed and used in public, again with little concern, highlighting just how far we as a species have evolved..., apparently extremely little
*I had our legal folks investigate this about 15 years ago: in the USA, a powder fired nailgun is a firearm for the purposes of gun laws, both Federal and Local.*
Now the question is if you have a set of taxidermied bear arms and set them on fire and hit people with them is that technically a fire arm under Canadian law ?
You're not allowed to carry something for the purposes of self-defense in Canada. His use of the nailgun might be self defence, but he'll still be charged.
No. Assault is a lesser charge. Battery is the action of causing physical harm. What he did would be battery. More accurately, it would be aggravated battery, due to the nail gun.
assult and battery are indeed seperate charges... in the US. This is Canada, so the charge is assult. 265 (1) A person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or (c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs.
@@SkunkApe407 Canada does this sort of thing a lot. It's why mandatory minimums have a hard time sticking to offenses here: individual laws tend to capture wide ranges of behaviour. I agree that it's odd. (edit - grammar)
I'm in the US (I'm an accountant). Many years ago, one of the guys on the crew of the team of a contractor I did payroll for, shot a nail into his ankle. They were roofing at the time. I think back then, the nailguns were hooked up to compressors and didn't work otherwise, but it appears that the fellow in the picture, has a battery powered nailgun.
There's a few kinds of nailguns. Pneumatic(air compressor), electric(battery), and powder charge(uses .22 blanks). All have their advantages and disadvantages. I think some of the companies making powder nailguns have redesigned them to use non-standard cartridges, both for "selling ink cartridge" reasons(a proprietary cartridge is more likely to generate ongoing revenue for the manufacturer) and for reasons of avoiding firearm laws(if your blank cartridge isn't a standard firearm cartridge, you're a lot less likely to have your blanks banned).
I have only heard of ONE fatality involving a powder actuated nail gun. Nail guns made by Hilti 30-40 years ago used purple loads, which have since been discontinued. These were "low velocity" nail guns. They shoot from a 27 caliber rimfire blank. Color codes for Hilti were brown, green, yellow, red and for driving large 3/8 threaded pins into steel, the now discontinued .27 caliber rimfire PURPLE loads. The one death I know about was some idiot shooting a purple load and a smaller pin through a gypsum board drywall wall into the spine of a man who was sitting in the next room. Injuries? Shitloads of them! Pneumatic, gas cartridge, spring recoil, self contained pneumatic, or powder actuated? Pneumatic framing guns rule the day for injuries. I own a Hilti with a silencer on it. It's old and slow, but I won't part with it.
Holy sh*t!!! What is a purple load? I'm afraid to google it. Tell me its not some nail 1 inch in diameter and 12 inches long please. Did it just shoot through the gypsum like a gun or the nail was just too long?!?! What a gruesome story, holy crap you'd get a million views with that one. Its never been told. Until now.
@@silvertone1 It's a .27 caliber cartridge. The color coding tells how much gunpowder is in the cartridge, not what kind of nail that cartridge is used to drive. I am not an expert, but purple appears to be the spiciest of the nailgun color codes. OP says it was for driving "3/8 threaded pins into steel", so... pretty spicy.
From his actions, I was not surprised to learn who he was pointing the nailgun at. There's never any need to violently threaten protesters for vocally expressing their opinion, especially peaceful protestors
i was using that exact m18 fuel nail gun just a few hours ago as a contractor, at point blank range against a target itll penetrate alot, id think any part of a human body for sure, even bone... however as soon as the nail leaves the gun and the anvil is nolonger actively pushing on it it loses almost all of its power.. just watched a video of someone shooting on in the air, after a foot it is going 90-120 feet per second and cant even penetrate cardboard at a few feet its a good weapon if you can push it against the other persons body, it just has no range, the nail has a low mass, terrible aerodynamics, and the nail gun is barely using any of its energy if its not pushing directly into a material unlike a gun where it doesnt care if theres anything at the end of the barrel or not, it launches a projectile about 20times faster with alot better aerodynamics and heft
@@tonyabsoluteam3456 i live in canada aswell... i wasnt commenting on if its a weapon, or if the guy was right or wrong, just that if people think hes going to hold the safety back with his fingers and start plinking holes in people from 10 yards away theyre wrong obviously we only see a small portion of the encounter, really odd to be walking with a nail gun at a protest while wearing casual non work clothing so i see how its seen as a weapon, but on the other hand, he put it away into the car as soon as an altercation was about to start so was he really intending it as a weapon? if you had a gun and someones trying to attack you do you put the gun in your trunk and then confront them.. i doubt that the lady filming is clearly hysterically aswell yelling about him shooting people with it which id bet my paycheque on not having happened.. if he did she wouldnt be approaching him with a camera screaming at him she'd be running the other way while phoning 911
He was threatening, and I bet he did send out a few of those and realized it was useless from a distance. He's a very buff dude and could do scary damage without holding a threatening weapon.
@@AndrewBrownerbecause of the barrel debate and you using this exact model within the last few days, does the nail go through anything that could be considered a barrel on that Milwaukee model in the video?
So did an employee of my son's. Not that there has been this accident only once in the course of our existence, I'm sure there have been a few of these accidents, but I have to ask, do you, by chance, happen to live in Winnipeg?
"Guilty if you point an unloaded firearm at a person". I guess Alex Murdaugh's lawyer, Pooty Poot is very lucky he wasn't in Canada when he pointed a shotgun at the prosecutors! 😟😣😰😫
I was lucky with mine, blew through a chunk of 2x4 as I was backplating trusses before lodging just above my knee. Never felt it go in, ws in and out of ER in 45 min, got the afternoon off work, and no lasting effects, nicest injury I've ever had...
I saw you on the ctv posting you were awesome. you really educated the reporter and showed him a few things. I hope this is the start of bigger and better things for you
I once tried to shoot a bag of garbage with a framing nailer from a distance of about 5 feet. The nails flew as if they were tossed by hand and didn't even penetrate the garbage bag.
Makes me shake my head both at the guy and how the law looks at this. I may or may not have shot buddies and been shot bye buddies multiple times with that exact nail gun. It may or may not have made us laugh.
That is a weapon as much as a gun, knife or anything else used in such a threatening manner. His intent is purely aggressive and meant to injure. That’s nothing even close to self defence. A nail gun is not a firearm but can be used as a weapon, as was his intent.
The nailguns I've encountered have a tube which must be depressed for the nail to get shot through it. That tube is a barrel. Have you encountered nailguns of a different design? (edit - I have no clue what a nail gum is, but it's certainly not what I meant to type)
Joules? Feet per second? Newtons of force? What I see most relevant is would the guy the guy carrying it, his lawyer, the judge, or the prosecutor allow me to use it on them?
I mean dose a nailgun really have anything that would qualify as a “barrel” I am trying to picture my nail gun in my head and I really wouldn’t describe it as “barreled”
I came in the comments looking for this. I would agree there is no barrel, only supports nail on 3 sides. Barrel implies round. It’s definitely not round. I thought there would be more comments like this but surprised how far down I had to scroll to find the first.
I can't find a definition of "barrel" in Act, Code, or Regulation. Could it be argued that a pneumatic nailer doesn't possess a barrel? I would submit that it does not, since the projectile doesn't travel through a cylinder, and it would be more properly understood as some sort of feed stop.
You should cover the tattoo-gate scammer lawsuit. The owner of a tattoo studio scammed a client (and many others) out of $4000, and that woman spoke up about her experience on social media. Now the tattoo artist is suing her for $2 million for "defamation".
Every nail gun I've seen has a short barrel which must be depressed for the gun to fire. Maybe there are exceptions, but for the most part, I doubt it.
Yes, Canada doesn't make that distinction. 265 (1) A person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or (c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs.
I recently watched an interview where you mentioned the new bill C63 could allow jury trials because of the life in prison maximum, my question is what sentence allows you a jury trial ? Thanks
Most definitely interesting and educational, even though I live in Israel where the legal system is very different from yours in Canada. Thanks for these videos.
6:32 You say the nail gun will exceed 5.7 joules limit but will be less than the 500fps limit, but there is an OR between the two criteria, not an AND.
I came searching the comments for this. Glad I wasn't the only one that saw that. I thought maybe I just misheard what Ian said, but the law is definitely an OR not an AND.
2:36: Is a nailgun a BARRELLED weapon though? To my understanding, depending on how it's designed, and depending on your definition of "barrelled", it might not be.
It may or may not fall under the firearms section but does fall under weapons section of the criminal code not by the definition of a weapon but by the intent. Which is what the basis of the sections of the firearms codes you quoted and why the firearms ban was invoked under the order in council.
In my construction days I was handed a powder driven nail gun, I spent nearly an hour cleaning the thing. After that I spent 15 minutes at the end of each day doing more cleaning with an extra 15 on Fridays to wrap a lightly oiled rag around all the important bits. The job was 3 weeks long and I never had a problem though I was told the tool was a piece of crap. Perhaps some men should not be allowed to play with some NOT toys.
Ask a LEO how they would respond to an adversary in such a scenario. The balance of probability is the LEO would discharge their weapon into the 'suspect'. Change my mind ..
1v1 draw, keep distance likely in low ready and issue command to drop it and step away. 2 or 3v1 1 officer maintains lethal force as above, 2nd officer provides lethal overwatch. Only one officer gives commands to avoid confusion.
I'm sure you're right, that there are weird and strange aspects of the law, but in this particular case, it seems to be the exact reason and for this type of person the law was created.
just walking home from my carpentry job with my nail gun as one does. nothing i like more after my physically demanding hard labor job than a brisk 10km walk home. oh hey, are those protestors up ahead? i think I'll visit with them and wish them well.
