The advantages of the MiG-15 over the F-86 are: 1. a higher ceiling (this was often used during training flights for inexperienced Chinese pilots, they flew in a safe zone above the F-86 ceiling; 2. higher maximum speed at an altitude of over 8,000 meters; 3. higher climb speed, vertical maneuverability (aggressive maneuver) and acceleration; 4. weapons of greater firepower and range, but less rapid-tightness; 5. simplicity and speed of preparation for the next flight; 6. durability and resistance of the structure to damage. Advantages F -86 over MiG-15: 1.better APG-30 sight combined with a radar rangefinder; 2. higher speed at low altitude; 3.better maneuverability in the horizontal plane (defensive maneuver) Due to these differences, the pilots of both sides used a specific tactic In the case of the MiG-15, the rule: "fight at high altitude and using a vertical maneuver." In the case of the F-86 - "lower and in circular combat". not where there is such a big difference in the number of shot down MiG-15 (about 800 fighters) and F-86 (78 fighters). The answer seems to be the level of pilot training. Young Chinese pilots were not fully trained, while American pilots were mostly World War II veterans with combat experience.
My cousin was James C. Jabara. America’s first jet ace. They sent Jimmy home for PR work and sent him all over the world. He was not in Korea for a year or more and got back in 1953 when he got 10.5 more victories. Great video. Thanks for all your research. By the way, Jimmy flew combat missions in four conflicts. Anyone?
You are really a cousin of James Jabara? Thank you for watching and appreciating the content. I will definitely have to dedicate some more videos to James. I have to admit that I had to look up for info about your four conflicts question. Perhaps a video about his combat experience outside of the Korean War might be a good topic.
Sutyaguin's claim in this case is fully confirmed: 1st Lt. Robert H. Laier (KIA), F-86A BuNo 49-1298, 336 FIS. Laier was the wingman of Colonel Francis Stanley Gabreski, the famed P-47 top ace of the European Theater of Operations in 1943-44. There is some debate whether Gabreski's Sabre was also shot up by Sutyaguin's own wingman, Vasily Shulov. Officially not, but at least one of my sources (Stephen Sewell, worked for the US DoD, and currently translates books from Russian into English) says that his Sabre, which is listed as lost in an accident in Germany in 1954, was actually written off on that date. If that is correct, the fact that the extreme G-forces torn off the canopy of Shuliov's MiG (forcing him to leave Gabreski alone) probably saved Gabreski of being finally shot down. Whatever the case, another source (Bruce Hinton himself) wrote to me that Gabreski bitterly blamed himself for Laier's death, because he used Laier as bait, hoping to catch Sutyaguin and Shuliov off guard while they jumped Laier. But he did not take into account neither the MiG-15's acceleration, nor the good performance of Shuliov as wingman, who kept visual on him and jumped him before he could counterattack.
Not necessarily. Diving away when in an unfavorable was standard tactics for the Sabre because it was generally better in a dive than MiG-15. It's unclear why it didn't work here.
@@showtime112 I'm referring to when the Sabre took the final fatal shots he was flying straight and level for what seemed an awful long time for that environment.
@@NeutronRob People always comment things such as 'you should never fly straight', 'they should have performed some evasive maneuver' and similar. But that's not always true. I remember some accounts where maneuvering was actually a mistake because it caused a loss of speed and brought the attacker closer. Just diving away was usually the best tactics for a Sabre when in a tough position.
@@showtime112 = Generally, yes, but when an enemy plane has already squared up on your six like you did, the last thing thing you want to do is fly straight and level.
Споём, пилот! Уж песня рвётся ввысь! Нам подпоёт и штурман, и радист. Споём о том, как в небе голубом Покой и счастье наши бережём! Гудит мотор, внизу плывёт земля: То синий бор, то в золоте поля. Сквозь облака увидишь под крылом Издалека ты свой родимый дом. И хоть далёк твоей любимой взгляд, С тобой в полёт мечты её летят. Пусть мирно спит подруга в час ночной - Её хранит надёжный часовой! Штурвал в руках и крылья нам верны! Мы - в облаках оплот родной страны. Споём о том, как в небе голубом Покой и счастье наши бережём!
@@CH-pv2rz You know what, whatever medications you are supposed to take, I suggest you take them. Trolls like you usually get blocked immediately. Why I didn't do that before, I don't know. Anyway, this is the last thing you commented on this channel.
@@PappaBear_yt I used to try to debate with guys like him, present some arguments. But all they want is to provoke you. You know the old saying, 'never argue with an idiot, first he drags you down to his level and then he beats you with experience' 🤣 Now I just block them. But here, I replied first to let him know. Blocking also deletes his comments.
@@showtime112 Things like this make me wonder where is this world going to?... 🤔😔 Just to be clear, I have a valid document which says I actually do know a thing or two about aerodynamics and some other related things 😁😇, but that is not relevant here. As the old saying goes: "The beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, not in aerodynamics". Also, trolls should educate themselves first, but I guess it doesn't go along with trolling. 😁 Take care and be well!
About getting more clicks when you use Russian planes might be that people automatically think then it must be a conflict going on. 😉 Damn it where’s my popcorn 🍿 the show is about to start.The Intro Music fits just perfect for this Typ of historical video content. 👍Thanks once more for taking us back in time years ago. Great historical video as always. 😉 I have to confess this N-Korea vs S-Korea or conflict is not among my favorite one’s but tastes are different and that’s fine that way. My favorite are the Vietnam era, the Six-Day War and Indo Pakistan war. The only Russian plane which took my breath away was the Mikojan-Gurewitsch MiG-25 (Codename Foxbat) that’s pure power with a top speed of 3’494 km/h don’t get me wrong I do like Russian Jets but I have my favorite. 😉I also lately rediscovered my love for the Vought F-8 (Vought F-8 Crusader) what a great plane that was.👍
I made several replies last night but now I see none of them so I'll just try to repeat them. YT was acting a bit silly yesterday, don't know if you got anything already. I'm not quite sure why videos with Russian planes get more views. This video is a great example. After 15 hours, it got 2000 views while a similar one from the American side released recently got 700 views less in that time. Regarding the Korean War, I think there are three things very cool about it. It was the first jet vs jet combat. There were a lot of dogfights. Finally, this was the only direct confrontation between the USA and USSR. As for the Crusader, I'm so looking forward to it coming to DCS. It's a shame that Leatherneck Simulations are going to release F4U Corsair first.
@@showtime112 I watch any video with any planes like! Israeli, American, French, or Russian of yours what counts in the end is the content. I click on any Video cause your channel is the best when it comes to historical content presented with DCS.
Today, Russian and American historians such as Cookie Sewall and Diego Zampinni admit that on 10/01/1955, not 10/08, there was the first kill of a jet by another jet. An F-80 Shooting Star patrol engaged three MiG-15s and veteran First Lieutenant Semyon Fyodorovich Khominich spotted 10 F-80F aircraft. Khomonich turned left, leaving the sun behind in combat formation. As a result of their attack, an F-80 was shot down. He opened fire at 800 meters, and stopped firing at less than 200 meters. Coming out of his attack, the lieutenant struggled to gain altitude. Major Bordun with the rest of the team attacked four F-80s that were trying to attack Khominich. The Americans went to the others without success, and finally abandoned the fight..." "...The Russian-built fighter was flown by five Air Force pilots. The F-86A-5 Saber underperformed when compared to the MIG-15. However, the superior training and tactics of the US pilots established a "kill ratio" better than 8:1 over MIG. They putoff all straits wings fighters of korean skies and put all B-29 to work only at nights !! [ kill-ratio also fixed: 1.3 to 1. Reasons: chinese and vietnamese pilots had no trainings like russians 'Honchos'... ] (Photo: National Archives and Records Administration) *www.aviation-history.com/mikoyan/mig15.html*
This video answers the big question about MIAs. Why did the communist just tell the America family's what happened to their loved ones. Not knowing is very hard on the people still waiting.
The main problem with anyone having extremely strong, fanatical beliefs is that they don't see why they should treat the other side ethically. Because they are wrong. And in the service of evil. So, they should suffer. This has been happening throughout the history. That's why we should always be careful with our own beliefs and try to understand where they come from, not just accept them blindly.
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This video was well put together but questionable, in that why would 2 Sabres attack 10 MIG 's ? It's my experience a Sabre can out dive a MIG. The speed goes to the MIG by 5mph or less and I'm sure the F86 drivers had the Sabres firewalled don't get how the MIG's caught up? For 2 kills???
Theoretically, that should be true. Sabre was considered to be faster in a dive and American pilots would regularly dive away when in a disadvantageous position. But Reality is usually more complex. I can only speculate because sources don't explain exactly why Sutyagin's MiG was able to catch up with the Sabre. Not all Sabres were the same (or all MiGs for that matter). I mentioned in the James Jabara's friendly fire incident video that he would choose the fastest Sabres for himself (and then criticize his wingmen for not being able to keep up). That indicates there could be quite a difference in speed between a Sabre and a Sabre. If a Sabre in a poor condition matched up against a MiG in a really good condition, the advantage might have been with the MiG. And the wingman's MiG might have been a bad one, with the canopy being torn off. There was just one kill here. Thank you for your thoughts, nothing like a good discussion about aviation matters!
I didn't comment on that 'why would two Sabres attact ten MiGs'. Pilots would often atrack larger formations. If you could achieve surprise, you could often score hits and run away before the enemy could react. Richard Becker attacked 12 MiGs all alone (see my recent video about it). He shot down one, damaged at least one more and lived to tell the sorry (and become an ace).
@@showtime112 thanks for the response, being around fighter jets part of my life I should of thought of the maintenance of the equipment, excellent points. Have a pleasant and safe day.
@@showtime112 In soviet sources the real "Ace" was the MiG-15 ·"325"......Pepealyev get 17 victories, Karelin 2 confirmed B-29 at night and two more pilots three more, the plane survived the war.
Overclaim in good faith.. lol yeash.. right... IFAIR Americans always claimed 1:10 in their favour (or more)./ Dont know where good faith is in those ridiculous numbers
@@showtime112 I like historical accuracy. And you enjoy biases and you have favorites, unlike me. Still, you clearly try to offend me due to your presuppositions. No problem. We can play that stupid game. But you shouldn't.
2:41 You have no shame. Making YT video, with gear lever not returned into neutral position - you'll probably would kill the hydraulics in real MiG keeping it like that. 6:09 You didn't even organized yourself some virtual pilots to F-86F. Flying scenes look terrible. DCS Ai art of flying looks terrible on Gen I jets. Especially on Seabre. They move nothing like the ones on Korea 1952 PvP server. They look like some bombers on your movie. In human hand these jets are truly alive. Thumb up for trying and for interesting subject ,but for me you just wasted it. 7:21 Do you really believe, that divin on target looks like that? You closed throttle lever almost completely. Even in a dive it's never more than 50% back. Else reving up takes ages. In case of overspeed simply use air brakes. They work even with full throttle on, and avoid overspeeding even on full throttle steep dive. With 80% throttle and air brakes, you may dive vertically. 8:36 Ok such explanation may sound alright from something how actually was never interested in aviation, but you? Didn't you thought for a minute? Canopy won't fell off during dive or because of overspeed. MiG-17 had almost exactly the same canopy and they're scratching the sound barrier repeatedly. It's not because of speed... For sure. Other reasons or explanations? here you go: MiG can't dive as fast as F-86 did. It's highly possible that pilot lost control over plane during dive. Especially during dive on target, when pilot may be a bit excited. To be exact - MiG tends to lose control over elevator. What pilot do in such case during dive? Drops canopy to bail out... But losing canopy slowed plane down. He came back home with shaking legs and without canopy. Then he lied in report.
Yeah, shoot me. I use anything from biplanes to 4th gen aircraft for these reenactments. I can't be proficient in all of them. Otherwise, I'd be able to to three videos a year, or just do videos with one single airplane for half a year and bore myself and everyone else to death. But I'll try to remember the MiG-15 info you gave. As for organizing virtual pilots, that's a lot harder than it seems. A number of people shows interest but each of them only has a handful of modules, some play DCS, some play WT, they are in different time zones, sometimes you get stood up by them etc. Your theory of the canopy seems plausible. The sources I found didn't mention it and I'm really not sure if something like that never ever happened. Soviets are not exactly known for ultra-high quality of workmanship.
