Was just going to say this. Relating it to gaming, you know where all the buttons on your controller are at without looking at them, and you know what each of them does, what sequence to press them in, etc... intuitively. The human brain is pretty amazing at adapting to, and learning skills. I used to play drums many years ago, I'm learning to play guitar now, and I also used to compete in speedcubing (Rubix cubes). All of it is pattern recognition and muscle memory. Failing to not sound cliche, all it takes is PRACTICE.
Alex, if you enjoyed this, Tool have a drum cam of their drummer performing Pneuma live. It's staggering to watch, especially since the beat isn't a normal 1,2,3,4
drummer here...since i started drumming with the age of 14 i always wear skating shoes :) and to be a bit more preciselly i like the ones with a wide front sole^^ and to your other question...a drummer's mind (im pretty sure you can say a musicians mind) is working with a lot of muscle-mind memory...you practice grooves or rudiments when your alone in your room...maybe you try to cover some songs and the more confident you become you bring your own beats in your own songs...at the end of the day its like growing as a human...you start to walk (basic 4/4 tact) then you watch wath other people do and learn from them (rudiments) and then the time will come when you start to find your own way (nice poly rythm/jazz/metal etc.)...and when you have choosen your path you can play songs that fit you and your style pretty easy/good...im a metal drummer and when it comes to metalcore i know what to do...but dont ask me about jazz...that shit is to crazy :D
His bpm isn't that fast people. At best feet is 180bpm. That's because he uses his whole leg which takes a lot of energy. It's why so many other metal drummers use ankle,heel to toe or swivel techniques. Shoes have nothing to do with it. It's all technique.
You mentioned him using his fingers to play consecutive fast notes. As a drummer I can say you are absolutely on the mark here. Drummers use many techniques when playing, but finger control and utilising as much finger motion with as little wrist movement as possible is essential for playing fast and maintaining stamina.
and to answer your question about our mind when playing. there is a lot happening at once so its almost impossible to think of what you are playing, most of our playing comes from muscle memory, and knowing parts back to front. usually the only time I think of what to play is in terms of structure, e.g knowing what part of the song you are approaching.
I second this for the most part. I think about specific beats/rhythms and fills when writing the piece, but once it is written, it is all structure, groove, and feel.
Jay's dad is Max Weinberg, who was the drummer for Bruce Springsteen's E Street band for years, and was the bandleader on Late Night With Conan O'Brien.
100% Agreed! As a Drummer myself I completely agree with this! It also helps if you've listened to the songs and drum parts enough that you've memorised them. I can't read music, I don't understand tab but if you tell me to go and learn a song from ear on the kit, I can definitely do it
I play jembé and practice and muscle memory sounds right for that too. And if you think too much about what you're doing, you F up. lol. But you also need a sense a rhythm. I know people that don't have that and they can practice until the cows go home and never get it.
@@black4pienus I disagree, I started playing drums with zero sense of rhythm and managed to improve it greatly with consistent practice. Everything can be improved by practicing.
The whole finger thing helps when you have a drum head to bounce the stick off of. The stick doesn't bounce very well when you're drumming on your desk or your knee. But when it hits a drum head it'll bounce back up and then you just use your finger tips to bounce it back down. It's one motion against a drum as opposed to two motions against a surface that doesn't cause the bounce.
To answer your question at around 4:00, 10 years of drumming has gotten me to a point of learning a song, playing it a few times through, and as I memorize the song, I can memorize the drum parts without even putting it on the kit. Once I’m able to but it on the kit, then it’s just repetition until you don’t even have to think about it. At Jay’s level, he may be thinking about different “parts” of the song, but by no means the individual notes. It’s a habit built, and takes a lot of time. For me, my kick drum goes autopilot for the most part, and I rarely think about it while playing. It’s fun. Hope you keep progressing man! I’d love to see you killing it behind the kit someday!
This is awesome. Also check out the drum cam of the Lorna Shore drummer doing Sun//Eater or something. That's also insanity in motion! And as you may know, Jay's father is Springsteen's drummer, so he kinda grew up with it (although it did not play that much of a central role in his home-life, he did see his father on a few shows when he was a kid).
Been drumming for 23 years and playing extreme metal for almost 20 of those years. It's muscle memory. We create patterns while writing drums, and we memorize the patterns and what order they go in through repetition. I've written and recorded a lot of songs back in 2007-2008 that I haven't played since then and I can jump on my kit and still play them without having to even really think much about it. Once you've memorized a pattern and have done it hundreds if not thousands of times, you will probably never forget it.
Thank you so much for shining a light on the hard work us drummers do! It's something that does seem to get overlooked! Some other drummers you NEED to check out are Alex Bent (Trivium), Luke Holland, Adam Janzi (VOLA) and Ray Hearne (Haken). All the best dude 🤘
Luke Holland is an animal. Chris Turner (Oceans Ate Alaska) is also incredible. And the drummer that really got me into polyrhythms Morgan Rose (Sevendust).
Practice, practice and even more practice! The way i learned was by starting with rock band like Def Leppard, Poison, Bon Jovi, etc... Then when i considered that i was as good if not better then the band drummer, i would crank it up with bands like Faith No More, Metallica, Guns & ROses, so on and on that you reach the hardest like Slayer, System of a Dawn, Slipknot and such.
The drums sound so good because it’s taken from the mixing desk and based on the tightness, also processed quite a bit as there’s no boom. That and the boy is the child of Jay Weinberg, one of the greats.
Disasterpieces had a great drum-cam feature on the DVD showing off Joey's talent. Also jay is great but if you want to see talent check out buddy rich, his solos are amazing in my opinion. Also a few of my favorite drummers and maybe some videos to consider. In no particular order Danny Carry -Tool Chris Adler - Lamb of God Dave Grohl - Nirvana / foo fighters Niel Peart - Rush Bill Ward - Black Sabbath Travis Barker - blink 182 Josh Freese - A Perfect Circle / Nine Inch Nails
I started playing and taking lessons for clarinet when I was like 35 years old. Before that I never took any lessons for any instrument, I just played them. That was one the best choices in my adult life.
Hey man I've been a drummer for 9 years and I can tell you, air drumming is a very good way to get into drums. I learned by taking a few lessons then watching a shit ton of drum covers, and listening for the different parts of a drum set in songs so I know how they're used. If you wanna get into drums, picking up a used drum set, buying some entry level cymbals, and playing some basic songs are a great way to start. It's never to late to start learning, and if you wanna get as good as him, then learning the same songs that he plays is a good idea! And btw your air drumming actually looked pretty natural :)
Got to see him perform with his dad at Guitar Center Drum Off while I was still there... Absolutely amazing to see them battle against each other. If you get a chance to check it out, you will be greatly surprised.
@@Wernershnitzl Yeah true, Mario is in a complete other league than Jay Weinberg. Mario is really one of the 0.001% Top Drummers, and Jay is not even close to that.
Having watched Drumeo videos the past few weeks, it's cool watching drummers do what's called "active listening". Essentially they listen to the song to know its structure and tempos, and then from their use what they learned over the years to try to recreate the drum track in the song. It's so cool to watch drummers in their element!
I've always worn Vans when I play the drums. They're so lightweight so I can be able to do the fast double kicks. Hope you keep playing the drums, they're super fun!
Alex, maybe you should check out Evgeny Novikovs drum playthrough of Demolisher by Slaughter to Prevail. I know you know the song, i´d just think you would love to get mind blown by his skills aswell. Atleast just as much as Jays playing :)
Drummers are crazy man. Another AMAZING drum cam, besides of course the Pneuma one from Tool, is Slaughter to Prevail Demolisher drum cam. that guy is not human. If you get a chance, check it out
Mic’ing the drums from inside is insanely smart. Gives it that massive boom. Whitechapel’s old drummer did that and it sounded like canons going off every time he smacked the toms.
I mean, there are people who start at such a young age and also have the gift for it, like Jay. But maybe with a lot of serious practice, reaching a level to be able to play this song could be attainable in 5 to 8 years. Also, if you want to check out another drummer, it would be nice if you could take a look at El Estepario Siberiano's one-handed drum covers or just normal two-handed ones 😄 He's awesome!
I believe your thinking about Joey Jordison Slipknot's original drummer but Jay is great in his own right. There are soo many sick drummers to check out but i would recommend Eloy Casagrande.
@@prodigalbrock Jay is a great drummer, but he doesn't bury Joey on a technical level. Let's not forget that Jay's father is responsible for him even playing to begin with, Joey started out banging on pots and pans and was 100% self made. I'm not bagging on Jay because there's no denying his abilities, but he sort of had an advantage when it comes to his craft. Joey might not have been the most technical drummer, but he was a powerful, rock steady and energetic drummer that made Slipknot possible. I seen Slipknot just before they exploded and I remember after the concert the one thing that stuck out to me was Joey's playing. Despite the insanity of their stage presence, masks and 9 guys on stage, it was the one behind the drums that blew me away. Slipknot was never the same for me after losing Paul and then Joey, frankly I lost all respect for them after the way they handled the situation with Joey. However, for the sake of the music Jay is doing a good job and we was probably the best choice to fill Joey's shoes.
For the answer to the drumming question, it depends. See when I learn a song and I'm not that good at it, I need to think about what comes next. But when I know the song really well, I just zone out because it just comes naturally.
There are so many drummers that are amazing (Danny Carey, Mario D., Tomas Haake, Blake Richardson, Matt Garstka to name a few). They are all so different, it’s not a competition. 👍🏽
@@VirgoKing89 Nice shoutout to Blake Richardson! Dude is a machine. He can play full BTBAM albums front to back with hardly any mistakes at all and the drumming is crazy technical.
Dude, I learned by ear I have to say my mindset is like a metronome drumming i’m 41 I’ve been playing since I was seven to me, it’s having the same song stuck in your head over and over and over
Im big into movies and i have massive respect for the composers. Having to pick the exact music or even just specific notes for one scene alone cant be easy.
The reason it looks so effortless is because he has perfect technique. The best drummers can play blast beats at lightning speeds and look relaxed as hell!
As someone who drummed a bit as a kid, lost it for years, then tried to pick it back up in my mid-30's, I can tell you that yes while it's possible that you can become a very solid drummer after many years of practice (and probably even get to the level of being able to record a passable cover of this song), it is INFINITELY easier to develop drumming skills when you are a kid since a young brain is more malleable when it comes to learning skills. Re-learning things like limb independence, stick control, etc took 10x longer the 2nd time around when my brain had already become a stubborn old bastard. It's also easier to practice for hours on end when you're young and don't have the typical commitments of adult life. There's days I wanted to throw in the towel but eventually got back to a level where it was enjoyable. Also more drum reactions plz :)
1:26 With whatever is the shoes brand I'm wearing at the moment 4:00 It's all about practice and muscle memory. Once you learn a song/songs and then you go back to the drum kit, you can play immediately , without too much effort of remember them
As a drummer myself, and to echo what a few others have said, a lot is muscle memory. One of the best things I learned when I was taking lessons was when I was trying to really figure out double kick. My drum teacher imparted the best wisdom. He said, "get your feet going at a comfortable tempo, and then completely forget about your lower half." That's always stuck with me and something that I, and probably a lot of other metal drummers do unconsciously, when playing double kick. You just start on that 1, and then just go, and focus only up top.
Love that question of what I like to drum in! Great drummer question! I've played in everything from socks to boots (the work boots were for fun, and suck to play on) but Vans are comfy. The pedal itself also plays into what you wear to play it. But it's all nuance after that. Anyway, love the vids and keep doing what you do!
mostly for drumming when ever i play its like I have a sort of preset of drum grooves i can use and then i can adapt them to fit the riff or just change it up however i like
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It’s so funny he being impressed with the simplest things in drumming, but actually passing the real difficult shit! 😂
GODS!!!!! GIFT!!!!!!!! But also he's looking and listening to the other members waiting on his cue to do his thing.. I will say i did practise drums for a bit and i found its in the wrist and fingers.. like opening your palm and quickly tightening it again while you flick with your wrist. Great reaction.
I don't use social media and don't have a phone, I am busy writting a lot and don't like distractions, But if you listen to slow songs with drum beats learn the rhythm of the song and anticipate where the drum's beats come in, Its odd but i learned more doing that than actually learning lol But when you listen to bands like Skillit, Emphatic, Metalica, Slipnot and others you get a good selection of where the drum's kick in, I enjoy Babymetal Karate drum beat, Though everything about that song is prety good even if i don't understand what the hell they are saying lol Good luck.
I was playing Slipknot songs within 5 years of playing drums. So, with enough dedication, the answer is YES you could do it. It's frustrating, time consuming, and you will want to quit many, many times. But, if you press on, you absolutely could play this. Pretty much any extreme metal drummer can play this stuff. I would regularly play all the way through their first 3 albums after 5 years of playing. I thought I was such a beast drummer until someone introduced me to much higher levels of drumming and all of a sudden I felt like a nobody again LOL!
True words. And even Slipknot has way harder songs than this one. But naturally those Joey played were way more complex. I'm not saying Jay is a bad drummer, but nowhere near "one of the best '.
It's a combination of natural ability/talent and a lot of work. I've been told by accomplished drummers that you can learn and get to a reasonably good level fairly quickly if you have some aptitude and are willing to spend the time on it. Taking it to higher levels takes a lot more time.
Alex, when you were talking about Jay's technique you were almost close to doing it. It's a finger technique where your index and thumb lightly hold the stick acting like a fulcrum while middle, ring, and pinkie fingers move the butt end of the stick up and when the head of the stick hits the pad it bounces back. It's used in a lot of heavy blast beats so you aren't using all arm technique which helps to keep stamina up for those long shows/sets.
No smoke to Jay, he is amazing but if you want to be blown away by some amazing drummers - check Evgeny Novikov from Slaughter to Prevail, Austin Archey from Lorna Shore, Aaron Kitcher from Infant Annihilator and other deathcore drummers, the drum play throughs of their songs. The technique and the speed they have is out of this world. Jay is a legend but idk if he will be able to keep up with these guys.
Drummer here. When you first start out, yes, limb coordination is a tough obstacle to overcome. Eventually, with practice, different rhythms come to you like second nature. Your brain and body learn to count out the beats you're playing to keep in time with the music. If you're looking more more drum-focused videos to react to, Danny Carey from Tool has one for "Pneuma", as others have mentioned. Some of my other favorites include Gavin Harrison playing "Anaesthetize", and Mike Portnoy playing "Panic Attack" or "The Great Debate".
Great to see drum reaction from guy, like you said, who dont understand this drumming so much and havent never played and see reaction and hear questions, i enjoyed 😎😅 Great reaction video! 👍🏻
Yes as a drummer. We're not thinking of what we're playing but two or 3 or even 4 measures ahead waiting for different changes and fills that are important. Also a study was done that proves drummers brains just work differently.
Never to late to start! All about learning techniques and patterns. The papradiddle is a great start, I’d add to that the six stroke roll (RllrrL).Playing fast isn’t about muscling it out, it’s about efficiency (technique) and muscle memory. You’ve got this dude! Check some tutorials on proper stick grip and posture to start off strong. Those are hard to fix later.
2:35 Not the Stephen Creighton's lmaooo, those are pipe drum sticks haha. Also my favorite shoes to drum in are Nike Giannis Immortality 2's. And I also love playing this song on set, one of the best imo
For me Alex, once you learn a song, or even something on the spot, you automatically start getting better. Lets just take you and your paradiddles. Lets say you practice them for 3 minutes each day. You're going to start getting better fast, because your brain starts adapting to that movement. So when you're talking about the speed of Jays fills, that's just all within practice and time. The thing is with drums is that when you're going at that speed as in 2:15, you aren't swinging your entire arm while doing that. The stick is more or so bouncing in his hand in a way, because you can't really get that speed with using your entire arm; you'll wear it out. To sum it up, it just takes time and practice and a right method. Jay is a BEAST and I'm happy to see you reacting to him :)
It is largely muscle memory, at least for me, with a dash of knowing your instrument. It's one of the cool things about drums that you really can't do with any other instrument, and that's being able to customize the layout. Like, you COULD string a guitar "out of order" but it would probably be very awkward to play. Same with bass. Keyboards, wind instruments, etc. you're stuck with what you've got. They don't really work any other way. But drums can be arranged in just about any configuration. You want your hi-hat on your left or your right? Or maybe tucked between two bass drums? Go for it. Cymbals, mounted toms, floor toms, snare, chimes, bells, put them anywhere you want, adjust the height, whatever you want to do. And as you're learning you might find yourself adjusting the layout entirely or just tweaking the height or angle until everything is exactly where you expect it to be. And when you've reached that point of things being where you expect them to be you can just...flow. I feel like a drummer "connects" with their instrument and with the music itself more than any other musician because we have to literally reach out for the sound we want. It is a very visceral instrument. And as I look up that word to make sure it means what I'm thinking it means and seeing the various definitions I'm realizing just how insanely accurate that term is. Drumming is visceral. It is instinctive. It is physical. It is primal. When your first learning a song, a beat, a rhythm you may have to put a lot of thought into it, training your body (and drumming IS a full-body experience) to move where you need it to move, but once you're there it becomes instinct. You just KNOW where you need to reach for a particular tone and you just do it. I guess it is kinda the same with other instruments. Like there are guitarists who are just absolute technical purists, have to play these specific chords and meticulously learn the proper finger placement, and there are those who learned how to just flail on the strings in a way that is somehow actually melodic and cohesive. Either way you have to drill it into your head so securely that it becomes instinctive, because when you're playing a song live you don't really have the luxury of "ok, I need to be here, here, and here for this next note, then here, here, here, and over there for the next note," especially if you're doing music that's like 128 BPM or whatever, it has to just flow. And it takes time and work and practice to get there so allow yourself that. Nobody just wakes up one day, picks up a guitar for the first time, and shreds like Slash, or picks up their first pair of sticks and knocks out a 3-minute drum solo off the cuff. It just doesn't happen. And honestly I don't know if I could say who the "best drummer ever" would be, mainly because as the one member of the band who's generally always in the background (except Phil Collins I guess) and hidden behind a massive instrument most people couldn't even recognize a drummer's face let alone know his or her name. I'd say the dude from Def Leppard has to be up there because the man only has one arm and you would never be able to guess that by listening to him play. I would say check out El Estepario Siberiano as this dude does some INSANE stick work. Two personal faves from his "shorts" collection are ru-vid.comKDG2hcMCmZQ and ru-vid.com1vCwEvQiajQ
As a drummer, let me answer the question at 4:05 Yes, a lot of thinking goes into it. It gets easier with time, able to simplify it into essentially fractions. Accuracy is something that is easier at about 120bpm, which is right around the tempo in that song, iirc. Absolutely love Jay and look up to him every fuckin day!
Jay is incredible, we all love him!! There's a video of Alex Bent playing "The Catstrophist" by Trivium in the studio and it's insane!! You'll be mind blown!!
Alex, Alex, Alex. I am a drummer and yes this was excellent. If you want to see the best drummer alive check out El Estepario Siberiano he can play drums like this with one hand and I'm not joking. Most drummers agree he is the groovefather. He has some slipknot covers so check him out. Much love and keep on keepin on J. (A reaction to him would be great!)
I have been a metal drummer for 22 years. I will tell you its all feeling and muscle memory after the writing process. For me its like my body is doing it and my brain is following along to be sure im doing it right. And yeah you do have to have ”IT” naturally. Good luck!!
you have to remember that Jay and others have been playing HOURS PER DAY for 15-20+ years. they say if you put 10,000 hours into something, you can master it.
