Healthcare in The United Kingdom 

+Danny Mercer He's talking out his ass. He even says... "what I've been told". Well, I've been told magical unicorns and evil lizard people are responsible for the world's problems... You basically don't go off bullshit non objective facts.

Probably because you need to be half-leg on the way of passing to another world, before being appointed for any non-paracetamol and ibuprofen treatment.

Moorfields?

I am from Serbia,we have similar sistem like NHS, very similar... and our hospitals are not dirty,and not poorly equipped... actualy their equippment is simmilar like in rich states in any part of world...so I cant agree with you about that

Sounds way better than crappy system in the American

Michael Wright me neither

I work in nhs . Dirty hospitals is a definite blanket lie . ...understaffed at times but we work bloody hard .

Maybe the toilet and bottle, cups with liquids in the waiting area.

I once had to wait in the paediatric triage waiting area for a suspected broken big toe for 3 hours and there were crisps on the floor and small kids smothering their snot everywhere. Not ideal, sure but I would much rather have free state run healthcare than having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in the states to save my life 🇬🇧❤️

It's a lie based on incredibly bad research. You can see this in that he keeps getting the name of the country wrong.

+detcord1 we get so much more out of the nhs than we pay for in taxes thats for sure! My nanna would not be able to afford all of her medication if she didn't live in the UK where it's all provided for free.

Exactly. I don't understand why Americans are demanding a system of US healthcare inspired by the NHS. Has Industry Lobbying really that much effect?!

jaredkidd1 Yes, it has. Firstly it is 'socialist', and that means it starts with bandaging your finger, and ends with pushing you into a gas chamber. Secondly how would the drug companies be able to rip you off if the government were regulating it? Thirdly, because the US has a 'whats mine is mine' mentality, where they don't see their taxes being used to treats their neighbour's cancer as socially and humainly responsible, they see it as their neighbour robbing them. Yes, lobbying....

detcord1 Sounds good I just don't like the sound of waiting lines.

Obi Alfred Iv never had to wait for anything.

And I am currently in full use of on Wirrals Arrowe Park.

Here's hoping you have/had the results you want at the end of it all.

Philip Gater Indeed. The only 'dirty' hospital I've ever been to was in Italy, but I that was because of a strike that was going on at the time.

that just isn't true though

why wouldn't it be

yes

Snow 123 Nobody loves you, troll.

In the U.S., the public library system is our best symbol of human decency. Hey, it's something.

@@TheDionysianFields I was going to comment "lol" but then I realised how extremely sad the situation in America is. Your country is literally the most powerful in the world but it -can't- _won't_ give you a decent healthcare, while smaller, much less wealthy nations do so for their citizens. Makes me pessimistic for Americans.

@@bananaborz1 It's partly because of the value system we evolved with, which is basically individualism and independence above all. So it's not all bad for us to cling to conservative ideals but healthcare should be an exception. At the same time, people need to learn to take care of themselves, which should have fallen under those values and ideals I mentioned.

@@bananaborz1 lol the US has the best hospitals in the world, it is far better than UK, also you can see the numbers in the internet, the efficiency is far greater, the mortality rate in the PS is 5x lower and the waiting time as well. I know it is too expensive, the government should solve that, the price is increasing since the 50's with all the regulamentation, but the MAIN problem right now is the MODERN CULTURE, the number of people that cook at home is 50% lower than 40 years ago and eating at fast food is frequent, also just a small part of the population exercise, even tough the gym is really cheap.

@@user-sx8be7qe2i I hate to contradict you, but the American profit-based healthcare system is directly responsible for all of the problems that you've mentioned. The NHS operates a far better system of preventative healthcare which benefits both the patient, cost and efficiency. When you evaluate a healthcare system you have to consider both access and effectiveness. The NHS is fantastic in both of those areas, and that's why it consistently ranks higher than the US on global scales. The US system may have some flashy machinery, but it is too invasive, too focused on profit and too exclusionary to be classed as anything other than a disgrace.

Thank god he wasn't in America, the cost would be huge for all that treatment, I had a stroke last year and the NHS was superb in dealing with it, paramedics were on scene within 10 minutes of calling, I was transferred to an A&E unit under blue lights and within 17 minutes of arrival had been scanned and administered drugs to bust the clot, the NHS has it's faults but when it is really needed it works superbly.

simgorm “

Many of the air ambulances are charities rather than being taxpayer funded.

Robotaxis and autonomous vehicles will hopefully end all road accidents.

It would not have cost a penny in Australia either

Very relative term and seems to be improving after public outcry at the quality of private contractors

You've never been to chase farm lol

It had an unclean reputation a few years back but I think saying it's dirty makes it seem worse than it was.

yeah

***** It's also possible that "dirty" has a worse connotation in the UK than the US. I don't think of dirty as too bad. Here, if I wanted to be inflammatory, I would probably choose the word "filthy." Also, the Doc isn't alone in his use of "dirty;" as shown above, there are plenty of respectable English journals and newspapers using the same term.

I'll bet you don't have a rose tinted view about the state of the health service now.

NHS England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all operate slightly differently, I think

+Ryan Quinn They operate very slightly differently in terms of who decides funding figures in those regions politically, but all under exactly the same universal system: the British NHS. I was simply pointing out the often made mistake by non Brits that Britain= England. The NHS is British, not just English.

MrDragon1968 Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant

+MrDragon1968 The specifics in the video related to how the NHS is run in England. If it were about Scotland or Wales there would be differences, especially around levels of privitisation allowed and how the money is spent

The specifics in the video relate to the NHS as a whole. The difference between the four nations is each one manages it's own, but the overall system is still the same. He was talking about the type of healthcare system, not whether there are some structural differences since devolution across the UK. There's nothing in the video that differentiates structural differences solely to England other than the mention of cheap prescriptions (which are actually free in Scotland, Wales and NI). He's talking about the UK, not just England. Other than that, it's a good video.

Alice and the government aren't funding it as much as they should

Yes, but not by extortionate insurance premiums that don't cover stuff when the 5#it hits the fan!

The majority of issues in the NHS are caused by a lack of funding from the government

I hope it doesn't fall to the shareholders of insurance companies I depend two months in hospital after a stroke and got all the help I needed still do 7 years later

being taxed per your private property $$$, which is Your Earnings Alice, Is Paying for any sort of healthcare. Nothing is FREE.

England focuses less on things like amenities. It does. That's not a moral judgment, it's a recognition of their focus on things that really matter to them (like outcomes). It's ok.

Healthcare Triage No, it's not okay. "Dirty" is a loaded word at the best of times and could have been phrased in a way that much better reflects the condition of some our hospitals (run-down, old-fashioned, etc.), and in healthcare generally refers to infection rates. Our MRSA infection rate is going down, along with c.difficile and other hospital infections. Our NHS is not "dirty".

CalamityMargaret I didn't say the NHS was dirty. I said some hospitals have been called dirty. And I didn't pull that out of my hat: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1349843/NHS-hospitals-are-dirty-and-poorly-run-says-leaked-report.html www.theguardian.com/society/2008/aug/12/nhs.health www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-superbugs-43000-patients-struck-1412556 www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150604/Rats-mice-cockroaches-discovered-inspectors-lurking-dirty-NHS-hospital-kitchens.html

Healthcare Triage all due respect Aaron, but The Mirror and The Daily Mail are not credible sources!

Harry Pettit No, but they are citing government reports. But why do you need it to be perfect? England focuses on health outcomes, not process. I don't think that's a bad thing. There are tradeoffs. England seems to care less about amenities and niceties and saves a ton. That's good!

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.amp.html So this doesn't mean anything to you?

@@kyled1673 We have issues with that but that's the Tories selling off parts of our NHS to their billionaire mates.

effawefweafawefwefwfqwWQEWEFEYHTYKJYUKUT Lol more excuses

@@kyled1673 Welp, I'd rather have ify universal healthcare than go bankrupt from bills.

@@Jellygamer0 It isn't iffy. I'm getting world-class cancer treatment for incurable renal cancer. Over a year on Tivozanib - not approved in US yet - 21 capsules each month at £150 per capsule. Do the math! I do not pay a penny.

They should be.

Too right

@@devjoshi73 I have a very rare autoimmunity disease, after visiting my GP, she told me that I was put on a waiting list for 4 months. Now that I finally visited the immunologist I did not even get to speak to a doctor, but to a nurse instead who merely told me that I had to wait another 4 months before x-rays of my lungs and other checks could be made. In addition to this I had to wait 1,5 hour at the pharmacy before I could get my medicine, they literally only needed to take the medication out of the shelve, which used to take me no longer than 10 minutes when I lived in the Netherlands. Don't be fooled, in the UK you practically need to be dying before you get adequate and fast care. If it is less serious, you are on your own.

@@mfbj1 Tosh and nonsense, a made -up yarn.

@@garthhentley5957 I am merely describing my experiences with the NHS. Get your head out of your ass, this system is far from perfect.

+Whoami691 Even in the US if you break an arm, you have to wait for the doctor as they make their rounds to set it and put it into a cast, and then go to therapy waiting for the doctor or whoever to finish with the last patients. The entire line of waiting is bogus, in the US or anywhere unless your an emergency life and death, you're going to be waiting. What's more important is coordination which the UK does better than all other countries, and effectiveness of their care. www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/files/publications/fund-report/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf

Yeah im so lucky to live here in the UK when it comes to health-care. When I hear about how much people in the US for example have to pay for relatively minor things it blows my mind. Also I don't think the less prevalent technology thing is actually true nowadays, UK medical science is a world leader and we use all of that in the nhs, he was definitely correct about the waiting times though. :)

"i do not need to worry about payment," No, you pay whether or not you're sick because it's stolen out of your paycheck regardless.

LawlessNate Cheaper than insurance. :) But do go on...

Whoami691 So because government the prices magically are reduced? The suggesting that government can be more efficient than a private business is ludicrous.

This Yank agrees with you! Then again, we have embedded in our culture a serious distortion of values. War, guns, conspiracy, greed, and fear of the government are high priorities, while peace, love, health, reason, and education are near the bottom. Most of my fellow Americans are ass-backwards.

mimiHTcat I’ve been to an NHS hospital and a private hospital in Vegas. The Vegas hospital was 100x nicer than that NHS hospital. Whats your point?

@@jonhyboy12playsdrum That it's a gross generalisation made on behalf of the guy in the video to assume that NHS hospitals are dirty, and basically completely untrue.

@@jonhyboy12playsdrum But you had to pay for it, and a lot.

@@gavinhudson5251 so do you. In taxes, wait times, and lower quality care. Through no fault of the staff. It's what happens when you're over crowded, abused and under funded.

@@jonhyboy12playsdrum In Australia we have Medicare which is similar to NHS. I had my appendix taken out 10 years ago and the quality of service was good. I knew a man who had private health insurance from 1975 to 1995 and he had to have a hemorrhoid operation. As he said to me the insurance only covered the hospital bed - a $20,000 hospital bed! He lamented that the amount of money he paid in 20 years, he could have bought a brand new family car. If you you want to pay money for a service that delivers a similar outcome then good for you. You see Johny, it's all about outcomes. Statistically the average American male lives to about 78 years of age, a British male 80 and an Australian male 82.

Don't be fooled: the NHS may have some flaws, but for all it's worth we bloody love it!

S Robson Absolute universal coverage. High life expectancy. You're picking 2 statistics and saying its all shit. Shame on you.

S Robson Have a look at this comparison, then maybe you can understand JUST how good the NHS is, if you can't after reading this, then maybe you need to go back to school. www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

S Robson IMHO When compiling statistics regarding health, preventative and occurrence are vital, For example, a large part of Eastern Europe including Armenia,Hungary,Poland,Croatia,Czech Rep, Slovenia actually has a 25%-45% large lung cancer occurrence and actual death rate than the UK so health wise you are less likely to even need treatment or die of lung cancer in the first place other Eastern European nations are only slightly better by 1 or 2 per 100,000 up to an impressive 7 per 100,000 for Russia (which it then fails terribly in the field of liver disease) This has been driven hugely by the NHS's education in prevention there are other examples also include Coronary disease where in 2011 the UK world wide was 155th all the eastern European nations are way above this. My point is not getting the complaint in the first place should be included in statistical analysis as prevention is a vital part of the overall delivery of any health care service as much as any treatment you may need or get

I never said it was great and yes you do make some good points but conversely it is not as terrible as you try to paint it My personal experience has been very positive as over the last two years due some rather serious issues I have to use the NHS more than I would have liked to and its been first rate, no long waits and good diagnosis now statistically it would not look good because the problem cannot be cured but that is just down to the ability to treat it not the actual treatment

I think this difference goes back to the days of our US independence issues. We were big on "no taxation without representation"...and somehow over the decades and centuries, that twisted into "taxation is bad; we don't want to pay more taxes for anything!" Which is moronic, of course, since taxes fund so many beneficial things. Or, they should and would if only Congress could stop being a bunch of 5-year-old idiots.

Isles of Scion I'd never heard of him until now. I just looked him up...and goddammit, this guy's ideology is stupid. And hes gotten almost every Republican in power to agree with him. Opposing ALL tax increases indiscriminately...so we mismanage our money and pour too much of it into military spending, then complain we don't have enough, then REJECT any chance of increasing the tax revenue...then complain some more. I don't understand. Do people just not learn that taxes are how the government has money to do things? I thought we all learned that in middle school or high school. Reminds me of a speech Mitt Romney made once. I don't remember where, but I saw it on RU-vid. In it, he promised he would LOWER taxes...and then promised to fix the Alaska oil pipeline somehow. I kept thinking, "we can't afford to do that now, and you want to do it...while spending LESS money? Are you a sorcerer or just a political idiot?"

IceMetalPunk He's done interviews on the Colbert Report and the Daily Show. They are pretty haunting. People understand taxes, I think mostly, its this congressional pledge that gets you. Because your political opponents (not in the opposing party but your own) will use it against you and make it sound like you frivolously raise taxes. That's the clincher, not that you raise taxes, but that word "frivolous". Even though its a lie it still works.

Isles of Scion At which point, this hypothetical political "you", should reply, "And without taxes, what funds the operation of the government you're electing?"

IceMetalPunk It was basically a combination of anti-communism Cold War fears, the American Medical Association and other health interest lobbies, and racism that killed the closest the US ever came to a real single-payer plan in the 1940s. Truman was pushing it during his re-election, and afterwards the AMA basically went on the warpath lobbying about how this was the beginning of the end, about how "socializing health care" would lead to socialism and Lenin winning, and so forth. It might not have been enough to stop it if southern Democrats had also not been opposed because they didn't want to pay for a program that helped black people (or might have led to integrated hospitals).

It's worth noting that Great Ormond Street may not be the best example due to the substantial funding it get through charitable donations which most other hospitals are not fortunate enough to receive.

Sure, i was also at a hospital in Harlow though :P

Ruairidh Graham He STILL wouldn't have had to pay. Great Ormond Street Hospital is well known throughout the world. Many hospitals receive charitable donations, my local one bought specialised surgery equipment with charitable donations.

CJonesApple I know he wouldn't have to pay I'm not disputing his point it's a very valid point, and yes many other hospitals do receive charitable donations. But Great Ormond Street is still an exceptional circumstance and thus I don't feel truly represents British hospitals in general.

Fuck the Queen and fuck the god. Socialized medicine is totally rad though.

true tho

Thinking the same! Chicken with a side of Chlorine. More Cheese Grommitt.

@@CloroxBleach-zy6yk Clearly never been - Ive been to the US and although the food wasn't terrible, it was much more fatty and less varied than I'm used to.

Absolutely ..OUR diet????lol

UK fast food: bread, meat, salt USA fast food: CHEMICALS. Also a small McDonald’s drink in the USA is bigger than a uk medium lol

That was rich coming from a Yank Some of the fattest people to be found anywhere

Are you serious? Just a question that bases how much I laugh at you

baitcat my sentiments exactly

USA has the highest Obesity rates in any major country...

Yes that's a cheek!

Yeah...that's what I always thought was totally moronic about us not having socialized health care. It's literally putting a price on life, and if you can't afford it...well, either you die or spend the rest of your life in destitute poverty.

I'm from England and it bugs me too. No wonder Scots want independence.

Randomstuffs261 And I'm in the pro union camp. Just annoying is all. Nick the Canadian system and have a British Federation I say.

Vote yes

It's a bit of an awkward one though: NHS Scotland is essentially a separate system from the one covering the rest of the UK. It would've been better for it to have been mentioned in the video that the NHS serves all the UK except Scotland, and to have referred to it as such rather than bringing up England explicitly.

Annoyance is felt in Wales too...

I agree, I've never seen a *dirty hospital* ever. The Doctors and nurses are all nationalities and are all wonderful.

Yep, I don't know where that came from either. I'm a medical student, I've worked in the NHS since I was 14, and I've been in hospitals across Northern Ireland, Scotland and England. None of them have been "dirty".

But the healthcare systems in the other countries of the UK are minorly different. For example in Scotland we have no prescription fees for any residents, and hospitals are run by local healthboards rather than trusts. NHS Scotland is run by the Scottish government rather than the UK government so unless you want the video to be quite a bit longer it is worth just focusing on England (and it's even in the title)

Keith Cordrey -sigh- He's using the Union Jack, the UK and England interchangeably. And yes, it would be nice if the video was longer to explain the whole of the UK instead of missing out 3 other countries.

rossb654 He's describing the healthcare system in England, but segregated statistics by country are harder to come by so he's using statistics for the whole UK. That way, he can succinctly convey the point of the video.

Actually, that's wrong. Statistics are actually easier to find for england [and wales too] than it is for the whole of the UK.

rossb654 I think it's fair to say those who use UK and England interchangeably also have a problem with the US vs America. Or Texas, New York, California or Virginia vs the US. I don't expect most US residents or even US citizens to understand the difference between the entire US, the Americas, or even between Wyoming and Massachusetts, so why should I expect Europeans to know the difference or the average US resident to know the difference between the UK, England and Great Britain?

It's funny how Americans are scared of anything win the word socialised in it :D

@@isthisjustfantasy7557 Americans are brainwashed by their agenda driven News outlets

When I hear someone say "Why should my tax dollars pay for someone else's healthcare?" I think that person sounds like a sociopath.

Huey Freeman British way is always the best

Huey Freeman no read and listen from different sources. Government run health at allows the state to kill anyone they want I.E. taking away life support without any consent from family.

Seto 78 but given the age demographics and patient demographics of the UK which has the largest public health service in the world this idea of killing patients just isn't happening. Id be sure you based this idea on more than personal paranoia yes? No? Why would the government just up and decide to kill citizens? Are you really that paranoid? Fucking hell... There are rules on withdrawing medical care from those with no next of kin by the way. In the US its basically when their health insurance runs out. In the UK its not.

Far more better? It's hard to take someone seriously that has poor grammar.

hi you don't pay for our military if you pay attention you will see are 1of the few countries that actually do pay for our own military aswell as train other countries militarys you know like yours.

The staff are fucking angels especially the nurses, they all work so hard and I have never been uncomfortable or in a dirty hospital because of that vigilance. You are right they really are undervalued.

I'll ignore that you said "bomb diggity" in 2014 and instead just say I agree with you and wish we in the States would do the same :)

Hahahaha fair enough

+Jake Deane About as long as it takes for people to realize America is a continent, not a country.

+PDZ1122 Everyone knows that, but it's shorter than saying "The United States Of America" and "USA" has been chanted too often by inbreds that it's just an embarrassment now.

+Jake Deane I know!> GB, big island, England, country within big island. UK is both Irelands and the big island.. I hope I'm right.

We do know the difference. The focus of this video is the NHS in just England.

"The focus of this video is the NHS in just England." The Red, White and Blue flag at the beginning of the video is the "Union Jack" flag which represents the United Kingdom. The English flag is the "Cross of St. George" which is a Red broad cross on a white background.

Any, Indeed, they're often tired looking because they're just,... Old. We're an old country. We've got old hospitals. Just how it is - we can't knock all of them down and rebuild them because they look a bit dated

haha. i feel for you. medial costs are something we just dont have to worry about in the UK. breaking bad here would have seen him retire on full pay and his cancer cured. the end.

Wow! What a bargain! I nearly got hit with a $140,000 bill for blood products I need monthly a couple of years ago and was grateful to find grant money to cover all but around $4,000 of the bill after my private insurance plan in america tried to weasel their way out of paying the bill. it's truly a greedy, corrupt abomination of a healthcare system in america and i truly despise my country for that. however, it is not all horrible, as there are charity care free clinics, federal laws for emergency care, and sometimes free public ambulance services paid for by local taxes depending on where you live. i have worked in both as a volunteer healthcare provider and they are a true blessing.

I didn't. I specifically said I'm covering England's version of the NHS, even though the NHS covers all of the UK.

There's different versions of the NHS for the different counties? That seems stupid. Did North Ireland need more blast and sharpel cover during the Troubles or something?

The difference is just the structure and who is responsible for them. The Scottish Government for example control NHS Scotland meaning things like the health and social care act won't apply meaning that Scotland will operate as it has done whereas in England GPs control 2/3 of the NHS budget. It's worth noting that the NHS is just England, NHS Wales is for Wales, NHS Scotland is just Scotland and NHSC is North Ireland (I think that's its initials). So healthcare triage have it correct talking about the NHS just about England. Hope that helps.

Healthcare Triage I know you intended for the video solely to focus on England and not all of the UK but the graphics suggest they are used interchangeably; something that irritates many residents of the country. Also the use of the Union Jack whilst taking solely about England is especially bad. I know that everyone makes little mistakes now and then but it is promoting a widely held and incorrect belief that the two are the same

TheWolfHowling The NHS in England was formed after WW2 out of whole cloth, while there was already a Highlands medical service in Scotland and a miner's welfare in Wales to build on. Up until 1972 Northern Ireland had its own Prime Minister and government, and was effectively a separate member of the Briitsh Empire so it created Health and Social Care (HSC) separately from the other three institutions. The acts of parliament that created the NHS on the island of Great Britain made the Health Secretary responsible in England, and the secretaries of Scotland and Wales responsible for their own systems. Up until the 1990s the secretaries for Scotland and Wales pretty much copied the English system (with a few operational differences like air ambulances for the Scottish islands), but then Scotland and Wales voted to have their own parliaments to govern on domestic affairs just as Northern Ireland had had before the Troubles and the separate Scottish and Welsh systems have been copying England far less since. Most notably Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have all chosen to abolish charges for prescription drugs. Scotland has also worked to bring optometry and dentistry back into the fold making regular check-ups free for everyone, and made personal care for the elderly free as well (though not as some people seem to think, rent* so if you go into a home you still have to pay them to live there just not for your nurse or your drugs.) *For some older people their rent will be covered by other social security payments because their income is below a certain threshold and they'll qualify for welfare the same way someone of working age would.

tomdid1 noticed that comment about dirty hospitals too. A very sly dig. "Dirty from what I've heard" We'd prefer facts, not hearsay, thanks.

Yeah but remember this man is from a society where people put paper covers on toilet seats in a restaurant, then eat raspberries which infect them with Hepatitis! In what universe do you catch Hepatitis from a raspberry? Well at least here in the UK our treatment wouldn't drive us to suicide www.channel3000.com/officials-multistate-hepatitis-a-cases-traced-to-berries/

“…. From what I hear”. Presumably this is what you hear from the US. The US politicians, particularly the Republicans, do not want the US to adopt a UK system of healthcare. Both Democratic and Republican parties get donations (bribes) from the Health Insurance companies and the Pharmaceutical companies to ensure they retain the grossly unfair system they have currently. That’s where the lies come from. I have never been in a UK hospital which was unclean (and, at 74, I’ve seen many hospitals). The waiting times for surgery, etc are exagerated. If you are severely I’ll and need immediate surgery you will get that immediate surgery. If you want a ‘nose job’ you’ll probably have to go private. Those whose need is greatest will be seen soonest - that’s eminently fair! The warnings about adopting ‘socialised medicine’ (and socialism is then exaggerated by reference to communism!!) are odd given that the US has ‘socialised’ fire, army, navy, police, education services! According to a recent poll a ‘socialised medicine’ system is favoured by nearly 70% of US citizens including a majority of Republicans. As air travel becomes easier and cheaper, more then the current 40% of the USA population will own passports and will be able to experience the European health systems. Younger people including students will have experienced the NHS and similar systems and they will be demanding that politicians tell the truth and change their system so that health is never ever a worry to any US citizen ever again. It’s coming and when it arrives Americans will wonder why they ever rejected it!

Thanks!

0£ because it had already been paid through taxes.

No, those ranks are from year 2000

Health care is expensive. There's a per capita minimum that must be spent to care for a country, and it's higher than most people assume (because they have no experience in the medical field).

I think that's because two or three generations now have grown up in an environment where even the French system is shocking. For a British person, doctors and operations and all that stuff is free. That's just how it is. Often it's difficult for us to imagine having to pay to have a baby or pay to have an ordinary GP appointment. Having said that, health tourism is nowhere near as big an issue as the Express and the Mail make it out to be. There's never any solid data.

***** To quote the independent quoting a report: But the Government’s own research suggested only 5,000 to 20,000 people could be reasonably labelled as health tourists, and the cost to the NHS of treating them was likely to be £60m to £80m.

Rashneish Filapoosus 'Health tourists' obviously need some medical care, so their cost per person is larger than average (since the average includes healthy people requiring little to no care).

Rashneish Filapoosus For everyone reading this comment, I've just posted a reply elsewhere that confirms this guy is talking utter crap.

Exactly and we the idiots of Europe, should make immigrants pay for 4 years into our system before they can use it. That would save money & this system applies in France, Italy, Spain & Germany.

"Some conservatives support it" sadly I agree not thePM or the damn health secretary.

+Sheila Cormack They want to build an oligarchy apple cart the likes of what we have in the US. They see dollar signs... or in their case, pound-sterling signs.

I agree! I just won't jump on him for saying some conservatives support it as technically some do, just no one who makes any important decisions regarding it. Jeremy is such a Warner Chilcot it is depressing. New labour is old Tory and new tories are just republican capitalists but we will never give our NHS away.

Their public position is they support it, I guess.

palefox yes you are

elect someone who can remove those criminal insurance companies

@@stephentrueman4843 they are trying but the us system is corrupt

@@JasmineRaven ah well, they tried. you like beethoven? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4Tr0otuiQuU.html