HEATED DEBATE: Is Bellingham a Top 10 Cm in the WORLD?! 

Tom has the best ball knowledge by far. You can tell he actually watches the game rather than just go off of social media.

Theo just looked at the FUT TOTY and picked the midfielders

As much as it can get irritating how condescending Tom can be he's correct on like 99% of the debates they have on this show lmao

the disrespect on pedri’s name is crazy, he controls the whole game while bellingham is another box to box

Theo's arsenal bias is actually so ridiculous ahahaha

Kroos over Bellingham, but Bellingham is clear of Verratti, especially based on last season. Rice deserves a mention but not a spot and Pedri is easily one of the best midfielders in the world. Bernardo Silva did not have a good season in the prem, only in the UCL. As sensational a player Modric is, he is surely not in the top 10 as of now, he had an average LaLiga performance, and is clearly showing his age. Bruno is a must for me. Some honourable mentions for Aleix Garcia, Parejo and Szoboszlai. Maybe even Jonas Hoffman who has been immense in the bundesliga Also, Kimmich is top 3 easy rn

"a lot of the comments were saying you underrated lacazette" this guy is so delusional it hurts, 95% were bashing him.

The fact that none of these dudes put Kroos in there, is atrocious

Theo asks Tom when he watches kimmich when the only time Theo watches Jude is for england 😭

Kroos was clearly Real Madrid's best midfielder last season, and the fact that he's not on anyone's list, just shows that they don’t watch anything outside of the prem, and their opinion is just based on what they hear on social media.

First of all, Jude just smashed Toms list in a couple of months. Second, the fact that no one even mentioned Musiala is absolutely criminal

For me: 1) KDB 2) Rodri 3) Pedri 4) Modric 5) Gundo 6) Musiala 7) Kroos (how the fuck was he not mentioned btw??) 8) Kimmich 9) De Jong 10) Valverde 10th was close could've been Ødegaard, Casemiro and Camavinga as well

Reev list was atleast decent...other two were pretty dumb list😅

The frenkie de jong disrespect is so insane

1. De Bruyne 2. Valverde 3. Rodri 4. Barella 5. Kimmich 6. Modric 7. Casemiro 8. Pedri 9. Wirtz 10. De Jong

English people struggle to have good opinions on english players. Jude has just turned 20, and is ofc incredible for his age, but he isn’t that top top top player already. He probably will be in a year or two, but he isn’t already top 3 midfielders itw…

Bellingham being top 10 is insane. The guy plays in the budesliga and is also about to have a knee sugery at 19. He is also so overrated.

Me being a city fan hate him as much as possible but no way can't disrespect casemiro, because of him the real madrid midfield was working for so many years, easily top 3 midfielders in PL

Release the full podcast in this please !!!

The cheek of Theo to laugh at Tom's and Lewis's lists. The English and Arsenal bias on his list is honestly embarrassing. Declan Rice over the likes of Kimmich, Valverde, Bernardo Silva and Casemiro is fucking horrendous.

No Musiala mention is crazy

16:06 their faces when he makes that point

Veratti and no Ødegaard or Bellingham is crazy… Ligue 1 is a farmers league and he’s in the most STACKED team in that league by far and he’s ain’t done shit for Italy after the Euros

No Musiala is shocking

They are putting way too much value into hype and 1 season wonders. The bruno odegaard one for example. You can argue Odegaard was a bit better this year, but Bruno has been at about this level for united for 3-4 years now... And don't get me started on Bellingham. He is very good and has elite potential. But can we stop treating him like he is already prime Zidane or something?

10. Barella 9. Casemiro 8. De jong 7. Bellingham 6. Pedri 5. Kimmich 4. Gundo 3. Modric 2. Rodri 1. KDB Don’t see Bernado silva or Valverde as cms otherwise they would be in

Modric was not even top 3 midfielders in his own team last season let alone in the world

No way Bellingham wins a balon d’or😂😂😂 he is a baller tho

1. KDB (obviously, just been at a clear level for so long) 2. Rodri (actually been the best midfielder this year (Best BIG GAME PLAYER), but less of a body of work than KDB) 3. Valverde (Versatility and skill level. Unreal) 4. Casemeiro (His longevity is just insane) 5. Kimmich (I actually think he's a top 3 passer of the ball, just lacks that attacking presence) 6. Gundogan (Not as devastating or consistent as the other city mids. (except when it matters in big matches he turns into prime zidane - Grealish) 7. Modric (Just unreal for so long. But do agree with Tom he does get caught a bit more as time has gone on. Probs the first year of the last 10 he's outside the top 5) 8. Kroos (how they missed out on Kroos is just beyond my comprehension, his vision and breaking up play is magical) 9. Bruno (Chance creation and criminally underrated. Been consistent and has stats to back it up) 10. Bernardo Silva (Masterful footballer, one of the most impactful, just sometimes (rarely) can go missing in some games) HMs: 1. Pedri (May be early but seriously, man is Xavi regen trained by Xavi. Could put Frenkie but I think this guys ceiling is far clear of him) 2. Jude (will be top 10 (maybe 5) in a few years probably, but the ENG bias is crazy rn, 2 good seasons in the bundes and a good WC aint enough) 3. 2 French Madridstas (same as Jude basically but FRENCH youth bias but they were insane in the WC) 4. Verratti (could make an argument over any of 7-10 as he did hold up the P$G midfield for so long but I do think he doesn't have that impact presence of the others above) Just my opinion tho it ain't that deep

Tom’s actually got good ball knowledge and Reev was not embarrassing but not good on Tom’s level. Respect for Tom 📈📈📈

I can’t believe Toni kroos didn’t get a mention

KDB Kimmich Rodri Bellingham Casemiro Gundogan Odegaard Modric Valverde Frenkie De Jong Goretzka Rice Kroos Milinkovic Savic Verratti

You know what except for,valverde being that high I would agree with toms list also would like to mention musiala

This just shows the issue with football today, Bellingham, Musiala, Camavinga, aren’t top 10, then will be…but aren’t now! They’re future prospects players who have more than enough quality to achieve this, but they’re too young! This is how footballers get there careers ruined, too much is put on them at such a young age

Nico Barella from inter is up there as well

6th best striker in the world, 4th best midfielder in the world, best right back in the league, best goalkeeper in the league, best left sided cb in the league. How aren’t they finishing in the top 2 with that quality

10. Gundogan 9. Rice 8. Ødegård 7. Bruno Fernandes (this guy gets no love man, he litteraly created The most chances) 6. Casemiro 5. Valverde 4. Kimmich 3. Rodri 2. Modric 1. KDB (Honorable mentions - Camavinga, Veratti, Pedri, Goretzka, Bernardo Silva, Bellingham, Bruno G, Lucas Paqueta, Kroos, Tchouameni)

1.KDB 2.Rodri 3.Bernardo 4.Pedri 5.Kroos & Modric 6.Gundogan 7.Barella 8.Casemiro 9.Kimmich & Bellingham 10.Tchouameni

Tom is normally right but rather signing Verati than Bellingham is mental

Marco verrati is one of the best midfiekders in the world only people who really understand the game get it. No wonder Pep spoke so highly off him , he does not get appreciated cause he plays for the most hated club in europe

Bellingham isn't even top 5 young midfielders in the world. He's not better than Enzo, Musiala, Pedri, Camavinga, Tchoumeni for young midfielders, never mind all midfielders.

Just cause he gets angry don’t mean Tom is always right. The judgement of Veratti is mental, there’s 2 better Italian CMs and they aren’t even close to top 5-10 in the world

bruno is too underrated

theo is far too defensive 😂😂, its like he's got past trauma or something and as soon as anyone disagrees he goes off on one 😂😂

kimmich top 3? played in the bundesliga same as jude bellingham and jude was player of the season literally leading an half injured dortmund team to almost winning the league? one of them won player of the year and one did not all im gonna say

enzo fernández was integral in argentina’s triumph and messi completing football(won the young player of the biggest competition). moves to a disastrous chelsea team and his quality sticks out like a sore thumb. chelsea fans watch him week in and week out and anyone with eyes and no bias knows his quality. for me easily top 5 itw. in hindsight, if we hadn’t gotten him in january, there would be no other midfielder i would want to sign itw, and i would pay more than we did based on the market and quoted prices for other players. HE IS INTERGENERATIONAL.(obviously gonna back my player but not like i don’t have an argument)

Let's be honest. These guy and also almost of all of us haven't watched a league game from any of the foreign leagues. So the arguments on who is 6th and 7th are just invalid

The fact none of these man mentioned Kroos says it all… you don’t understand football if you don’t rate Kroos

The English and prem bias is insane Again Theo's ball knowledge is the worst

I swear Tom is the only one with any ball knowledge on this podcast

Tom is absolutely spot on about Jude Bellingham by the way, he’s a very talented young player but to suggest he already has it all is ridiculous in my opinion.

Bruno far too disrespected, just unlucky to be feeding wout weghorst

Surprised Barella didn’t get a shout

Bruno disrespected Pedri is easily top 5 imo, Theo really doesn’t watch football because he based it off last season and didn’t even include him Jude is good but people are obsessed with the idea of what he could become, he’s not top 10 at the moment Horrendous list from Theo

This just proves that Bruno Fernandes is underrated. most big chances created in the league and have plenty of 30 g/a seasons in his career.

Rice and odegard over Kimich and Casemiro if that's not bad ball knowledge i don’t know what is😶.Not just bad that's shocking.I would agree if football started last year

If you watch Bellingham on a consistent basis, you can tell he’s not a finished package yet. A lot of the times he’s caught in two minds (partially because at Dortmund he has to cover a lot of roles). He has amazing games, but like Dortmund themselves really struggles in moments that he should excel in. It might be down to age and the pressure that comes at Dortmund when it comes to their reputation as bottlers.

Theo genuinely thought he did something by laughing his head off. Tom is spot on

bruno fernandes should be in the list in my opinion

Here we go again with the british bias. Bellingham must be one of the most overrated players in world football right now.

Not including Pedri, Kroos and Bernardo Silva is mind blowing 🤯

Because Tom got flustered when they asked what Jude can’t do, here is what he can’t do: - he doesn’t understand how to operate in small spaces when under pressure, he often gets into tough situations because his touch lets him down when he is pressed and gets bailed out because he is good in duels. Tom is right here, he isn’t good at picking the ball up from deep. - he can’t dictate tempo in the way Pedri, Gundo, VERRATTI, Kroos are able to. I remember he had

Rice and Odegaard over Kimmich 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The obsession with Bellingham is unreal he hasn’t done anything yet but they’re speaking about him as if he’s the best in the world right now. He’s a future star and the discussion can be made once he’s done something but right now at this very minute he’s not the best.

No, he is in no way shape or form a top 10 Midfielder (YET). Putting him second & above Rodri is absolutely outrageous, well seen that they're all English & Tom the only one who knows what he's talking about doesn't have him in the top 10.

They're just exposing their lack of watching the games. Bellinghams biggest test at the club level last year was against Chelsea and he was terrible both legs. Enzo completely dogwalked him in the midfield, enzo is crazy underrated while Bellingham is way overrated

Shocking ball knowledge

Theo getting all his ball knowledge (very little) from FIFA

The english bias was the highest i have ever seen

This genuinely hurt to watch. I felt sorry for Tom having to listen to this delusion they genuinely must not watch the sport 😂

Leave all that how did everyone forget Bernardo silva (except Tom)that’s so bad man , also how did Lewis not have kimmich wtf bro he had Bruno (not even the right one)but not kimmich

Camavinga, Musiala, Pedri and Enzo are all better than Jude

The fact that barrella was arguably the best player on a team that went to the CL final, and he balled all season long isn’t in any of these lists, just shows the levels of ball knowledge

Listening to the Bellingham debate 3 months later is hilarious. Veratti? Lol. Why not put Kanye in there?

Until last season, Kimmich was comfortably the best DM in the world (now it's Rodri). Rice isn't even top 3 prem CDMs so idk how he's above Kimmich

Theo has never watched Bellingham outside of the World Cup 🤣

Crazy to say Bellingham can’t pick it up and run too 😂 completely made Kanes goal v Sen at the WC

1. KDB 2. Rodri 3. Kimmich 4. Modric 6. Bellingham 7. Casamerio 8. Pedri 9. Gundo 10. Odergard Don’t want to put players who’ve been out of position this season like Valverde, Camavinga, Bernardo.S and Bruno.F Shoutout to Bruno.G and Musiala

Agree with Tom about Modric, has declined this last season or so and isn’t 2nd best itw anymore. I’d say KDB Rodri and kimmich

FOR ME: 10. Valverde 9. Pedri 8.Bruno F 7.De Jong 6.Gundogan 5.Modric(age) 4.Casemiro 3.Rodri 2.Kimmich 1.KDB Young mids: 3.Jude 2.Musiala 1.Pedri

I'm happy for Bellingham going to Real Madrid and there's definitely something there, which must be why they paid the fee for him, but he still needs to prove himself before entering the top 10 list. He's mature beyond his years and seems to have a great work ethic, so being at Madrid will be a test to prove how good he is/can be. He does need to be careful with his knee, because his career could be diminished. I wish him all the best of luck, though, and I hope he goes on to do great things and win trophies.

I totally get why he wouldn't put Bellingham top 10, I wouldn't yet have him in there. But to suggest there is no case to be made for him being top 10 CM is wrong imo. He won the Bundesliga player of the year ahead of Kimmich so there is case that he is top 10.

Tom is literally the only one with ball knowledge there

Saying Verratti is even on this list is outrageous, he hasn’t even scored a goal in the whole season and has 1 assist in all comps. He has more red cards than goals 😂

Chelsea v dortmund both legs Bellingham was anonymous

Tom is definitely the one who has the best ball knowledge among these lot.

So Pedri, who has won the league this year, wasn’t on Theo’s list. Which is fair. But Pedri not being on the list AT ALL with a LaLiga and Bellingham being that high up without a single league title is criminal.

Why aren't the full eps uploaded here?? Much prefer watching a pod over listening to one

Overrating Odegard is so weird to the level where Bruno comparisons don't stand. Bruno Fernandes had record breaking goalscoring seasons, last season competed with Kdb on every metric of chance creation, topping some, scored one more than Kdb in the PL. He didn't have the striker to back it with assists. If Theo(who's probably only seen arsenal and England play) goes by Odergaard scoring most goals as a 10, then he should be above Kdb too.

Get Theo off this podcast the Prem bias Arsenal bias English bias is embarrassing

Most be painful to have to try and debate with Theo and Lewis

Bellingham is top 10, verrati has faded Pedri is close to bellingham and they’re forgetting Jamaal muslia

When this was released toms top 10 was pretty accurate

1.De bruyne 2. Rodri 3.modric 4.Casemiro 5.Bellingham 6.valverde 7.Kimmich 8.Pedri 9.Odegaard 10.barella Honourable Mentions: (kroos, rice, musiala, bruno, gundogan, gavi, de jong )

Theo's ball knowledge is horrendous

My guy snuck in Odegaard at 6TH and didn't even include Bruno who is 3x the player Odegaard is. Man's living in denial

how many are here after bellingham's stellar perfomances in real madrid

Bruno F has the most chances created since he entered the league. No one has created more. If United had a proper number 9 he’d easily have double goals and assists every single season. Martin O has one good season and he’s the best thing since slice bread 😂😂

Theo looked at the FIFA 23 team of the season and put those Lewis seemed to have just made it up on the spot For me (decided before I watched the video) 10. Bruno 9. Modric 8. Pedri 7. Veratti (Tom’s opinion is great on him) 6. Kimmich 5. Bernardo silva (incredibly underrated Tom again with a W opinion) 4. Gundogan 3. Casemiro 2. Rodri 1. De Brunye And I’m not a City fan I’m a Liverpool fan but the city midfield is class

Tom took a big L in this one. Saying Bellingham won’t win a Balón dor but said before that John Stones could get one in the future. Classic English bias towards epl