HEATSPEAK #2 - Jeondding, CBM, PhiDX, Rangchu 

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Thank you for having me 🎉😁

Shoutouts to CBM for carrying the translation ! Goated player and person !

CBM the 🐐for translating. Seriously, he basically made this thing work at all. Huge props to CBM, learning multiple languages and being a Top Pro in Tekken is crazy. Man has a lot of skills.

The best part of the podcast was Spag saying "Hmm, Hmm" to Rangcu and JD when they were speaking in Korean. lol

pig props to CherryBerryMango for translating, fun video. Keep em coming Spag!

CBM's english is clean, wow

PhiDX has been the shining light of this community since the game's dropped. Mostly all you hear from pros and streamers is complaints and negativity and to be honest none of it is constructive. I personally love the game and am looking forward to the improvements. Shout out to PhiDX, by far the best T8 content creator if you want to learn and appreciate Tekken 8.

Big props to Spag for this show, channeling old school ATP podcast show energy with JDCR translating for Saint.

big thanks for cbm translating for jeondding i can tell that put him at ease and allowed him to speak his mind a lot easier

As an Eddy main since T3 I've been wanting to hear JeondDing's opinion on Eddy but don't speak Korean. You're the man for doing this Spag 💯

CBM was so clutch here

Shout out to CBM! Dude did a amazing job at translation!!

Love the diversity on the panel - Tekken players across the world coming together to speak on issues about the game and what they like is awesome

12:17 It's so interesting to hear different Player's perspectives. Immediately, CBM has different opinions on the system and the game's mechanics than what we heard in the first Heatspeak Podcast. He said change Heat Burst to be Linear or not be a Power Crush, I don't recall that being brought up by any Players on the first panel. CBM also seems to more err on the side that SuperAkouma was, in that, the systems themselves aren't the problem, but the implementation and balance of said systems. 🤔

CBM out here working as a translator lmao

Spag my man, both episodes of this podcast have been absolute fire. Thank you for doing this. The discussions have been super interesting. Keep up the great work. I know it’s not easy brother. Much love from the US.

Man this set up and long, in-depth convos with the players is so sick, thank you Spag!

Such an *amazing* cast this episode. Well done, my man!

That "business" talk from Rangchu was hilarious. 😅

Nice! I just watched the other Heatspeak. I like hearing everyones thoughts.

looking forward to more of these podcasts 🔥

Great vid! Thanks for adding the timestamps as well-- I really appreciate them!

LETSGOOOO #2 dropping made me tickle someone, these are so good bro can't wait to see who's on the next heatspeak

This is absolutely amazing content, keep it up!

Anakin. Mainmanswe. Kwiss. Star breaker. Lil majin would be awesome as guests in the future ( if possible). the first and second episode of this podcast has been phenomenal 🔥🔥🔥

Thease streams are legendary for our community. Infinite amount of thanks to everyone involved.

Very insightful! Good job everybody!

I'm just over 20 mins in and so far this Heatspeak and the previous heatspeak have been great! I hope your able to keep these going for a while as it's really informative and great to hear what high level player perspectives are in this game. Thanks for making this possible. If possible, For the next episode. It would be great for a border to pop up around the person speaking. More so when they have their cam off like Jeondding here. Think like Discord when someone speaks, A green circle around their name. It'll make it a little easier to follow who's speaking I think

Very good insights that we in the west would otherwise easily miss our on. Thank you, Spag and guests🙏. I am already looking forward to the post-EVO Japan Episode where the tournament and current meta ( outside Pakistan) will be evaluated by top lvl players/pros. Maybe even by some who played in the tournament itself.

Really happy you spoke on Reina - new fave character

that was interesting, thank you very much! Also thanks to cbm for translating.

Can we get an episode with other commentators like MYK, Ricky, Steve. That would be hypw

Instant like on such top tier content

This is awesome!

Great English CBM!! Thanks for translating I love Jeondding!!!

Thx Spag for your work...

really interesting jun discussion and a great topic that not a lot of people talk about. she was looked at as top 1 but interesting to see the tiers develope and people realizing that her offense isnt really as unga as the others and that her strings are extremely counterable

thank you CBM. language barriers keeps so many people apart, but they were all able to hear each other and speak thanks to your language skills. NICEU!

CBM the goat with the translation!! this episode was solid!!

Thank you so much for bringing the community together in this long form content, Spag. The quality of guests has been absolutely jaw dropping. I'm seeing some comments asking for TMM, and I think maybe if you did a more casual episode with content creators it could work. But I wouldn't want him mixed up with pro players.

thx for adding more markers.

these are great, 💯

Bring up movement on these podcasts please. I’m okay with offense getting turned up but I miss being able to create more space. KBD didn’t need to be nerfed so much imo while all offensive tools got way stronger so I would like to see it back. Almost everyone has huge safe rewarding mids now (in the form of heat engagers. Kazuya is an example) so I think it’s okay if backwards movement is brought up to standard

Great insights everyone 🙌 Aye Spag, can you kindly tell me about how you recorded this session? Like how you formatted n everything, if you can refer me any tutorial, that'll be great, Thank you

The goat translator, CBM. 🏆

STACKED cast

It would be cool to have lil majin for your future podcasts🔥

Love this Do more Need lil majin on and main man too Great job team

51:50 I think removing the knowledge check aspect of variable advantages on different Heat Engagers is quite simple. As a quick example, we could standardize 2 types: a "high" advantage one that is basically the same as the existing ones and a "low" advantage one that is +6 with a different identifiable animation (perhaps a walk instead of a run, perhaps a different camera cinematic, etc).

CBM legend

The most important part of all is Eddy by JeonDDing and Spag opinions.

I think when the buck stops in a tense game of tekken 8, the mid heat power crush is the best tool. Nina especially because she can perform from crouch so anytime you place her in minus frames and crouching she can take what 50 damage from you or go into +17 if not already in heat

What is the music that is at the start of the video?

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I wonder how this will influence the future of Tekken 8.

Some characters benefit way more from heat state than others. Like King already has the highest heat smash base damage in the game, the fact that it still gives a mixup opportunity on block is kinda wild. Meanwhile Kazuya just goes afk after doing his heat smash 😂 I think Jack's heat smash is pretty balanced, 10f startup is hella good but the tradeoff is no mixup on block.

CBM ONE OF THE JIN GOATS. HIM AND DEVILSTER GOATED

how much do you guys bench in alphabetical order

Spag is a good moderator

damn CBM had to go super sayain on the translations 🔥

Can this podcast be on spotify?

CBM the fucking GOAT

Rangchu was on money with Reina having smaller hitbox than other characters. I have tried punishing her and some times do mixup after plus frames but somehow she is able to dodge it completely but doing her low which would not be possible with any other character.

Why was the 7 minute starting soon screen even there, if this was simultaneously livestreamed on YT I'd get it but it's just a video that got uploaded.

These are hard to watch without timestamps

Jeondding learning Tekken 8 💀💀💀💀💀

lmao this is CBM's podcast now 😂😂😂

PhiDX Let's goo

Power crush heat engager safe on block is so fundamentally broken imo. By design a power crush shouldn’t ever also be a heat engager. Being safe on block and is just insane icing on top of that. Safe power crush high is fine.

Was really excited for T8 as ive played since 3 but it does feel a little too newbie friendly. Offence is too rewarding and i think the number of perfects show just how easy it is to blow up your opponent with the various tools in 8

Get my boy blade in here

The 2 best Noctis players in the world sitting right here on this stream lol

Spag you are an absolutely excellent host. I know TheMainMan gets ripped on a lot for being "toxic" but I do think he'd be a good addition for the next one.

Fake Tekken fan here, anyone got an ID on the song that plays in the pre-show intro?

The only thing I want to change in the Tekken 8 system are heatbursts. Basically I want them to be unviable in the neutral by any means necessary, make them punishable, remove the armor and tracking, whatever it takes. The problem isn't the balancing - cause everybody has them - the problem is that heat bursts being totally free creates a lot of time where you basically aren't playing the game. yes, HB looses to lows and throws but they are so fast that its not a reliable counterplay. So if someone wants throw out heatburst into heatsmash once every round they're probably gonna be able to it. Which is maybe 10 to 15 seconds of blocking every round and you can't do shit about it. Might not sound as much but it adds up and gets very boring very fast. Heatengagers are supercool, using heatbursts in combos are fine cause then you have to at least win an interaction with your opponent and earn your heat.

What about xiaoyu or Jun?

Wished there's no language barrier just like in Tekken world kekw 😂

Please bring frame whisperer next time.

I just want the toppest top tiers to be less obnoxious. Dragunov's insane damage needs to be toned way down. Feng has no bad situations. He just kicks your ass constantly. I feel like Nina is not nearly as busted as those two. She still requires the same hard reads from playing her in 7, but she just gets better results from playing her correctly. Edit: yes I was a Nina main during T7 but ive switched off to Lee with Nina as my sweaty tryhard pocket.

I sure hope bamco is listening to this

Phidx is100% right about character imperfections being what made Tekken enjoyable. And now, all Tekken 8 is doing is making sure that all these weaknesses are covered resulting in a bland game overall.

1:04:55 the ➡️ 4 to instant SS2 launcher was nerfed in the first patch. The only thing now that is guaranteed from Nina’s ➡️4,2 string is the heat engager, but the 4 hast to hit. ➡️4 is also steppable and her SS1’s can be checked by low jabs and a lot of pressure she puts out can be checked by power crush moves. The Nina player is strong and the rewards are well deserved. It’s not fair to have to do all of the technical stuff (which is not required of other characters) without receiving any rewards for it.

Thank you again, please have Mainmanswe on, be a great addition. Awesome hosting as always

I would like to see Landon D , jesandy , legendaryMihawk , imortalXSoul . Also maybe you can contact gerald from core a gaming, maybe he has time to join for the next korean show, not to take anything away from cbm translation skills, but geralt would be flawless, maybe he wants to.

I wonder if PhiDx admits he's heavily influenced by main man she's opinions. He mimics a lot of the same philosophies

That last part about the Africans was really interesting to me. Why don't you invite some african players for a future episode?

rangchu is so funny :D hahaa

It would be very nice to see more non speaking english players on the podcast but of course you're going to need interpreters and some that comes to mind are like you know CBM for Korean, Rangchu + CBM for Japanese or Tissuemon, Sephiblack for German, Arslan for Pakistan like it would be so sick to hear from players who are really great at the game but who don't speak english or much english.

I'll come back when there will be timestamps

That flash is very problematic. He can get crazy combo damage just for the defense namco claim they don’t want

Not a fan of heat and no playable Heihachi has me a bit salty. Overall I am enjoying the game though.

im battle ruler and i lose 400 to those ranked in raiju shit makes no sense and i gain 400 to those in my rank like uhhhhh

Gonna be a YT nerd here but leaving in 7 minutes of blank space at the beginning of a video is absolutely terrible for viewer retention and will cause YT to recommend your video less

Why is bro asking Rangchu about Japan???

Some thoughts as things came up: 1. The heat system itself is a lot of fun. But heat burst, to me, is a bit of a buzzkill. Feels more like a way to circumvent the game's mechanics than a fun mechanic in of itself. 2. Homing throws are too much, but not as ridiculous as getting locked out of the break if you were already pressing the button. Taking a million damage from King because you are simply not allowed to press buttons against him is soul draining. 3. As far as balance goes, I agree with the picks here. I think Xiaoyu is up there for me personally; the damage is just too crazy for a character that simply decides 75% of the moves in the game will no longer touch her. Yoshi is very annoying as well, even though I main him and his mids aren't very good, I think they should at least nerf the plus frames on regular Flash and soften some of the kincho attacks. Also, Alisa's chainsaws really are crazy. Many attacks in the game do less damage on hit than those do on chip. 4. Yeah, fast power crush heat engagers should not be safe on block. Shouldn't be launch punishable either, though, -12 with throws still breakable would be good (in my head anyways). That's it for my soapbox, next subject is competitive Tekken and I just ain't there yet.

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My issue with tekken 8 is that i could play offensively in previous tekken games (t3-t7) without any issues and could get good results even though the games were more on the defensive side which is the most strongest element to have in any martial arts by the way. If you don't have a good defense, doesn't matter how fast or good your in offense, you are bound to lose. In tekken 8, the defense (movement/techniques) nerfed too much in contrast to offense. Now you can get away with it if you don't have a good defense. The game is giving too much to new or unskilled players and at the same time its taking too much from core/high level/technical players. The game needs to have at least 40/60 if not 50/50 in defense to offense ratio. *Heat system needs adjustment, like its availability on start of the match needs to go and needs a meter bar which you fill by playing both defense and offense equally. * Chip damage needs to go period. * Heat burst needs a nerf, counter throws need to go as well, tracking/homing throws need a nerf as well. RA punish (on block) needs to be the same as T7 where they were launch punishable. The game needs to have skill based reads instead of 50/50 guessing all the time. The people with good reactions/skills should be rewarded depending on their level specially against new/unskilled players. Tekken has always been the chess of fighting games and which is why loved tekken over other most fighting (mashing) games because like real martial arts i had to think before attacking about the possible outcomes of my attacks and move in a way to bait my opponents to punish them on the mistakes (weak defense) and tekken 8 removed that part almost entirely if not entirely. Now its mashing and getting away most of the time. And i do hope that the devs come out with a proper patch soon and stop punishing skilled players if the favor or new/unskilled players because of their greed.

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Wow, the Korean school system should get better at teaching English