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HEAVY or LIGHT ARROWS // T E S T I N G.. We are tinkering and testing arrow flight with different weights and feet per second. This is part of our deep dive into technical archery this year! #ElkShape #Testing #kidsarrows
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@ElkShape 3 года назад

For anyone who wants to come on here and remind us about Dr. Ashby this or that.. Remember Dr. Ashby did his studies with a trad bow 170ish FPS and probably 30lbs of kinetic energy.. We're doing part 2 of this conversation and deep dive Monday with MFJJ.. stay tuned - Tim & Dan .. And as always you should do whatever is best for you.

@wk9953 3 года назад

Great thing about Dr. Ashby that most seem to forget is that in his study he says do what works for you. He highlights things that are important to most when it comes to arrows and broadheads.

@brianthompsen661 3 года назад

It appeared the bow got louder as the arrow got heavyier

@wk9953 3 года назад

@@brianthompsen661 I shoot traditional and notice the opposite. What you could be hearing is the fact that he is severely under spined for the heavier heads

@elementsofnature6186 3 года назад

Math doesn't know what bow you're shooting. with your draw you should shoot the heaviest arrow that you can and keep a trajectory that is acceptable. I am shooting a X-impact with 115gr Ethics and 150gr Ironwill. PSE EVO NXT LD at 81lbs 31in draw. Total arrow is 639gr. flying at 273fps. You have to take draw length into consideration. It is much easier to get a 27in arrow to fly than a 30in. If I tried to shoot a 300spine with 475gr total weight at 324fps they will not group anywhere near what my set up does let alone the energy differance. Btw I'm in AZ

@ElkShape 3 года назад

@@elementsofnature6186 that is a sweet setup. Glad you're digging it. Draw length gains for sure - tC

@brandonmcdonald6121 3 года назад

Love that you guys are doing this, because we all should. Knowing why you’re shooting what you shoot builds confidence. Plus, I’ve come down from 615g to 598. So I’m basically shooting a light arrow now!

@houghtonic1975 3 года назад

I’m 31” draw on the ventum 33 and shooting in the high 250s FPS with an arrow that is 586 to 594 grains depending on 3 fletch blazers or 4 fletch heat vanes. I don’t see a difference in impact point out to 80 yards between the two arrows. I think if I drop down to 570 ish grains I’d be in the upper 260s speed wise. I can say that my arrows I’m shooting right now (with field points) are not affected by wind very much, which I like. As long as I’m ranged properly the long distances are not an issue, even with wind. I think with heavy arrows you just have to have things ranged well. As long as you have that, they perform really well. I personally wouldn’t want to drop below the 250s FPS so if my draw length were shorter I’d be shooting a lighter arrow to get me in the 250s or higher speed.

@TheAllankuz 3 года назад

The statement "I'm just trying to find that right balance!" should be reiterated over and over again! IMHO - doesn't matter if you're shooting 20 yards from a treestand or 60 yards in the mountains.... finding the right balance is the key.

@billmcstay194 3 года назад

I don’t even care... I now play the video with the audio on... and my wife in the room. That’s the highest level of bow hunting geekdom that you inspire. Thanks!

@vancejohnson1778 3 года назад

I have been shooting 425 grain arrow for years, I hunt alberta shoot moose,elk bear,mule deer and whitetail and have pass through on everything unless I hit off side shoulder, and that's out to 70 yards on game, I definitely like the less trajectory drop, and still get great flight and no issues with penitration

@JoshCrawford 3 года назад

Looking good. That convinced me that keeping it fast is where it's at for me.

@andysmith8295 3 года назад

Great video as always.. I think the best thing the RF has done is bring out the fact that the industry may have been getting away from proven archery basics and caught up in unproven innovation not based on proper testing to just sell a product.. ie; latest and greatest.

@JedlyMT 2 года назад

Love the tinkering! I like having a mix between you guys and RF. It's very informative and both of you guys are doing great work. So much info out there now on arrows. I feel like it used to be all about the bows and now people are talking more about what is actually hitting the animal. RF did a video with radar at 60 yards so we can see what the fps is when it hits 60. Basically the heavier arrows, although they have a wider trajectory, they lose less speed the father they go. Always good find that balance for yourself.

@stevenmorgan6816 3 года назад

I appreciate your time for ABT! I've been learning quite a bit thank you for publishing your videos.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Of course, thanks for hanging out

@bobby398 3 года назад

Solid video, I run a 450ish grain 300 spine arrow for whitetail. No issues at all. Shooting 70lbs at 28.5inch draw

@obionewheelkenobi689 3 года назад

Your changing the spine by changing the point weight which I'm sure you realize. You will need to tune the bow to each spine change to really test flight efficiency.

@MT-jw8uu 3 года назад

It’s better to tune a arrow to the bow

@bmills231 3 года назад

The only time you tune an arrow to a bow is if your shooting trad equipment or a very, very old compound that has very limited tuning. No disrespect, but anyone who shoots a modern compound and tunes the arrow to the bow has no clue what they're doing.

@elementsofnature6186 3 года назад

@@bmills231 Lol what?? If your bow is in tune you tune the arrow to the bow.

@bmills231 3 года назад

You tune a bow, not an arrow. Sure, you can play with spine, shaft length, point weight, fetching, etc. but that's building an arrow for your tuned setup, not "tuning". The only reason I mentioned "Tuning" an arrow in my previous comment, which should have had quotes around the word, was because when you can't tune a bow i.e. a trad bow, you build arrows that "tune" well for the bow. If your bow is in tune (modern compound) then you "build" arrows for your tuned setup.

@elementsofnature6186 3 года назад

@@bmills231 I think we're meaning the same thing however there's more to tuning an arrow you can cut it to change the spine slightly also knock tuning is a thing

@bartonmd 3 года назад

Not hating on you for your arrow weight, but it's not an accurate test. It's an exaggerated test, because you didn't sight in each one at 20. The extra trajectory at 20 really makes the gaps closer farther out. Going from 410 to 525, my pin gaps didn't hardly change at all. I could shoot 108y inside the Oracle sight housing with 410gr and I can shoot like 100-101y with 525gr. My 30-60 pins didn't move hardly at all. I think my impact was ~4" low at 60. Again, not hating on the arrow weight you ended up with (I shoot 475 or 525, even for whitetail), but just a test engineer pointing out a test that isn't a legitimate "apples to apples" test. I'm shooting an Evoke 31 at 65#, 29.5" draw.

@bartonmd 2 года назад

@Supercreech it's only 23fps (274fps to 297fps) different, and the arrows are the same diameter. The 410 are gold tip .246 .340 spine and the 525 are .244 .300 spine. Also, since the heavier arrows keep velocity better against aero drag, they're probably only 12-15fps slower at 60) Actually, the 525gr arrows I'm using this year are micro diameter.

@bartonmd 2 года назад

@Supercreech I'm just telling you what mine ran through a chronograph with weighed arrows, and what the trajectory difference is. If it was a big deal to trajectory or speed, and didn't make the bow like half the volume, I wouldn't have switched.

@bartonmd 2 года назад

@Supercreech this is on both of my chronographs and the one at the archery shop.

@joegarrigues3697 6 месяцев назад

@bartonmd This! Yes thank you! You explained what I could visualize and struggled to put into words.

@brpnw4r94 3 года назад

The best trajectory is the one that drops in, cuts ON CONTACT, breaks bone, severes arteries, makes a wide exit wound and drains blood quickly. Proper spine, aligned with length and weight up front (and rear) are the start of ABT. There are usually 3 sacrificial arrows built to achieve true and sought after trajectory/flight. ABT

@michaelpisz3843 3 года назад

I was shooting heavy arrows two years ago decided to switch up to lighter arrows last year and my groups improved dramatically.

@dozierlester3971 3 года назад

Well done. Just the facts Jack. No preaching, no hate, no BS. Well done imho.

@redbeard_outdoors 3 года назад

Been waiting for this one! Great stuff, ABT man

@joshuaryan980 2 года назад

I swear I have watched this episode at least 50 times! And every time, I come away with more knowledge!!!!

@orsonbroadbent3453 3 года назад

Thanks I have a 27 inches draw length I try to keep my hunting arrows set up about 460 gr at 65 lbs thanks you for for all the good info I am learning a lot from you all

@angelosantora6625 Год назад

I love applying the your elk hunting methods to my northeast whitetail hunting. Fast flat shooting less chance of the whitetail jump. Take all methods and figure out what works

@royhoglund1322 3 года назад

ABT - gotta love it! Looking forward to the next one!

@ElkShape 3 года назад

A B T

@seanfernandes2062 3 года назад

Love the videos you guys put out, thank you for all the content! I like shooting a 430 grain out here in VT and it works for the whitetail. Even though I have never shot at an elk I love watching what you guys are doing.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Thanks Sean - we've got love for all bow hunters!

@greggaston6906 3 года назад

Love the tinks! I also shoot a shorter (27.5) draw length & slightly less poundage- 71lbs. For ALL tge animals Ive hunted, Ive also been in the 460 gr range and I cannot remember an animal in the last 20yrs I havent passed right thru. That includes deer shoulders. Ive not hit Elk shoulder or spine, and know that those bones would stop my arrow, so Im careful in shooting. Its great to see the trajectory/speed difference by going up in arrow wt. As Always- killer stuff! Keep more comin!

@wrobo6122 Год назад

Keep up the work, i’m looking forward to your next video on penetration with a different weight arrows

@justinormiston1146 3 года назад

Keep up the great work! 👍🏻 Got me thinking about moving back to 340’s. 🤓

@derrickross192 3 года назад

I really enjoyed your test! I think that there's a lot to consider when trying to get the best setup, best arrow flight, best penetration... I think that the amount of overall grains that an arrow weighs is part of all that. I think the amount of drop heavier arrows have should always be considered. Unfortunately there's no one, "perfect arrow setup" that penetrates the most, flies the fastest, flies extremely fast, and is the most durable arrow ever. If we're to decide what works best, we should consider what we want the arrow to do so that we can cover all the angles of, "building an arrow that works for you". That could easily be multiple long videos but it would benefit the archery world in so many ways. At the end of the day... make what's best for you in your conditions. Great work y'all! Would love to see additional tests done with both you, the ranch fairy, and other influential Archers. Maybe y'all could help push us into new technology where we can shoot heavy arrows 300+fps accurately out to 150+yards.

@sethwinkel5721 3 года назад

Looking forward to part two...

@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures 3 года назад

I've always tinkered with arrow weights my self years past I've shot arrows that weighted 430 plus grains down to as low as 372 grains off 70lb bows. This year I bought my first 80 lb bow and I'll be using 682 grain arrows for deer and elk hunting out west . Going to be exciting to see what kind of penetration I'll be getting . I'm shooting 28.5 inch draw Prime nexus 2 and Sirius Vulcan arrows topped off with a 125 grain samurai overkill by grizzly stik up front

@steve8828 3 года назад

Great video. You should try sighting in with the heavier arrows, then seeing what a yardage misjudgment of 3 yards would do.

@jonathanpittman9210 Год назад

Good video! I wonder how much your bow not being tuned for the other arrows and them flying like wounded ucks, causing more drag and then resulting in less trajectory? I love this kind of stuff. Really works the brain out. Thanks for the videos

@joshuaryan980 3 года назад

Such a sick video!!! literally my go to guys on anything arrows!!!!

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Thanks Bud!

@dwalker1873 3 года назад

Great info. I am running almost the same setup, add a wrap, but no lighted nocks. Like to see what arrow setup you use to get the 430 gr total weight. At our draw length that 280 fps seems to be a magical number to keep the pins close and trajectory lower on the longer shots.

@chadsimpson2438 3 года назад

I know it would take some time but I would love to see you do a similar test by sighting in each arrow weight at 50 , Shoot 50 then step back 1 yard at a time until you drop out of the Elk vitals. I think that would be eye opening.

@Bowhunterlake Год назад

It’s not one person is right or wrong it’s just what are you hunting what’s your set up? What is your goal? But I love your constant. I like the range for his contact I see all different sides of it. That’s what I love about archery

@BowhuntingandFitnessTV 3 года назад

I did A LOT of tinkering...you are spot on! You have to find what is best for your setup. Example, me with a 30" DL trying to run even200+ up front (includes tip & insert), I have to have a 200 arrow spine, then my trajectory SUCKS for 30 or even 40+...if they are all 20 yard or under shot...fine, but for longer shots...Like you said...you need to figure out what works for you. To help those on this thread, I shoot a Mathews VXR 31.5, @30" DL. I shoot a 250 spine arrow with about 200 up front (and that is pushing it), I can do it because my bow is tuned (I am a nut at it),. but if you do not always check your bow tuning...issues can arise. So I love this video because at the end of the day, you have to shoot what works for you and your setup. Keep up the vids, love them!!!

@markriberdy7685 3 года назад

Very interesting... i personal shoot a 465-470gr arrow with 100gr up front, seeing the significance between FOC is further solidifying my decision to stay lighter. Thank you @elkshape , Continue your Great work... I've been a long time following. #ABT

@dozierlester3971 3 года назад

Second watch! Good stuff imho. Like the straight info, just facts, no bashing or BS. Thanks,

@bradenressler687 3 года назад

Very impressive shooting!!👍

@fastcamo 3 года назад

I run around 470 grains. Have had zero problems for elk. Heavy arrows do hit harder but there is a cost. It’s really a fine line with each bow and arrow combo. Remember when you are adding longer inserts and collars you are effectively shortening the arrow shaft and changing the spine. Keep tinkering! I’ve been doing that for 40 years.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

You bet!

@russellmoore963 3 года назад

Nice info , thanks for sharing, I'm also trying to find the sweet spot for out west, we get 50 yard shots all day long .

@diyoutdoors6675 3 года назад

Good content for the people that dont have much time or resource to tinker that much. I think that 270-280fps is the sweet spot. I run 505gr at 280fps.

@bmills231 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more. Try not to have an arrow speed much higher than 280 and no lower than 265.

@steviegallegos9470 3 года назад

Helpful and informative! As a female bow hunter, I can't shoot the super heavy arrows and have been wondering about the effectiveness of lighter arrows. Thanks! This gives me a little more confidence!

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Of course.. We're doing a follow up to this, part 2 on Monday! hope it helps - TC

@timgruver5932 3 года назад

Just experiment as much as you can with different weight arrows. There are no rules. Many an animal has been shot through and though with lite or average weight arrows. I'm 70 and have been killing critters with every type arrow since 1963. You will find the best combination of draw weight for you and the best arrow weight that gives you max speed and trajectory. Maybe you're pulling 45#s and that perfectly fine. There are several different arrow weights that will work. Remember your killing arrows don't have to go 290 fps. That's macho stuff for those that can. My current set up is an Elite Ritual 54#s. Arrow speed is only 263 fps. 👍👍🏹

@bmills231 3 года назад

If poundage, draw length and arrow speed are low then a heavier arrow with more momentum is generally a better option than lighter arrow. Similar to the concept behind an arrow build for a trad bow. If your KE is already low at least you can have momentum. High poundage, more efficient bow setups have a greater range where momentum and KE are both high.

@Badger350 3 года назад

@@bmills231 I agree. I have 2 bows at 37 lbs , 25", and get pass throughs on whitetails with heavier arrows, but not with light arrows. Fixed blade heads also help.

@african7498 5 месяцев назад

The lighter your draw weight the more important having as much momentum as possible.

@southernhood5145 3 года назад

looking forward to the videos

@kyledreher1535 3 года назад

Sweet good video very helpful

@derekborjon9872 2 года назад

I love seeing real testing. I just wish we could see these set ups with ballistic gel targets. Most shooters love flatter trajectory for accuracy; just curious about the momentum here.

@lucas.5am639 3 года назад

It's great to see this approach. I remember Tim Gillingham advocating a faster hunting set-up because shot placement is higher priority than getting a pass-through in his opinion. It definitely helps for 3D.

@KTMsoldier1988 2 года назад

I see alot of guys with heavier setups getting overconfident and taking bad shots.

@matthewkyle2534 3 года назад

My total arrow weight is 436 and I’m not concerned about it at all. My bow is pushing it around 288-290 feet per second. Glad to hear you say josh was recommending that weight. Made sense to me but everyone else is stuck on this Ashby guy and shooting rebar.

@scottyoung6745 3 года назад

damn beautiful form

@ElevatedTines 3 года назад

This channels the best

@michaelvstheworld3680 3 года назад

My RX1 Ultra (29"/70#) is my 700-825 gr heavy weight arrow rig. My V3 31 is my 500-650 medium weight arrow rig. I dont shoot under 500 grains.

@WildTines 3 года назад

I always wondered this, I just ran with what the pro shop gave me to run. I am gonna figure out the weight of my arrow ASAP!

@ElkShape 3 года назад

worth looking into

@the_sharp_carpenter 3 года назад

Will you be running any tests to see the difference in drop between the arrows that are both sited in? Ie pin set at 60 for each arrow weight then the difference between the two if you shoot at 65-70 like when an animal takes a few steps? There is obviously a difference between the weights when shooting from a tape set at the lighter weight. Love the ABT

@bad01neon 3 года назад

Love it guys. Even as a predominantly whitetail hunter from a treestand in the Midwest, I’ve always been against this “heavy as possible” arrow fad. Seeing the velocity drop offs is just insane. Hunters will pay thousands every year for a bow with an IBO of like 10FPS more than what they have and then put an arrow together that drops it 50-60FPS. That heavy arrow doesn’t mean crap when a big ol’ whitey ducks you a foot at 25 yards and you find your arrow with back hair and nothing else.

@interestedmeow 3 года назад

White tails can duck an arrow they don’t hear...which they can’t when your bow is efficient because of the bigger payload.

@bad01neon 3 года назад

@@interestedmeow if you believe that a whitetail can’t hear your bow go off at 25 yards I don’t think there is anything I can do to help you. Maybe in a wind storm or something but on a calm day...nope. They can hear a twig snap at a 100 yards and you think a 100 grains of arrow weight difference is going to make your bow silent to a deer?

@montuckyman4982 3 года назад

On the flip side...there isn't a bow fast enough to beat a whitetails reaction time! Basically, shoot a solid setup and be a great hunter and don't try to buy success. Archery is supposed to be limiting.

@hectortureymorales5623 3 года назад

Thank you for your videos bro, very good info always and the fact I can relate with you since draw is almost the same and even arrow total gn are the same (hard to catch not tall people in this bowhunt world lol) I’m running vap tko elite, 400 gn cut at 25.5 with 95gn insert and 125 gn broad head, nockturnal 14gn 460 gn total foc 21.9999 shooting Mathews Triax at 70 pounds and 27.5 draw.

@craigtoo 3 года назад

Great video

@FLATLANDERHUNT 3 года назад

Y’all should have measured the noise differences on the bow with the different weights. I do hunt more deer then elk but with the 600g setup I notice the deer don’t react to the bow going off with the heavy setup vs the light 350g setup.

@blakeumthun8128 Год назад

I know I'm late to this party, but here are my thoughts. I'm just a midwest whitetail hunter and I've always shot aluminum "Lincoln Logs" (560ish gn.), why.... because I'm "thrifty". With that said, weight and trajectory aren't so much my issue, it's always been the broadheads. Mechanicals that fail or those "razor sharp" skinny blades that are beat to hell from a rib hit. For '23 I'm really making a conscious decision to come up with my perfect arrow. Weight and speed doesn't matter, but I have found that 15-17% FOC tend to fly the best out of my old Martin. So, I'm going to try to build 2 separate carbon arrows while staying around those parameters or above and see how it goes. The single major change I will be making is going to a single bevel cut on contact. That was a nice little comparison and I get where you're trying to go with it. Keep up the good work. Somewhere between what you and Troy are doing is probably the true sweet spot.

@natespnwadventures 3 года назад

Great video! As a guy who hunts Roosies here in Western Oregon, I like a slightly heavier arrow. Most shots are 30 yards or less...if not, you ain't calling em in enough lol. I think the big arguments regarding arrow weight foc ect boil down to this, there is more than one way to skin a cat. You can kill game with light or heavy arrows. What matters MOST is having your bow tuned as best you can and shot placement!!! 🏹💪

@ElkShape 3 года назад

I think we'd be running heavy too if we hunted the jungle like you guys do! - tC

@dgw6092 3 года назад

Finally!! It's about time someone proved that an underspined arrow with progressively heavier field points will have progressively different drops. Mind-blowing!!

@ludoxvici Год назад

lol for real , no shit your point of aim is different. My man acts like he just built a custom drag model for each setup lol

@CLee-qh3er 3 года назад

Curious if you guys changed spine as you changed tip weight as well as love to see any penetration tests.

@feralgrandad4429 3 года назад

Shoot that gives you confidence mate, I killed my elk with 55lb recurve bow (probably about 52lb at my Hobbit 26 inch draw length) 635g total arrow weight. Frontal shot, buried to the nock. Dead 20 metres from impact Point. Now shooting 80lb compound and I'm building 680g. Sure I've got wide pin gaps but I'm happy with that.

@shootingatshadow 3 года назад

Awesome video. I shoot an BowTech RPM 360 at 70lbs. I have a shorter draw at 28, and shoot a 509gr arrow 16% FOC at 272fps; 83ftlbs of energy. I also have some gold tip velocity's that are about 400gr and they shoot waaaay flatter. But for me 500gr seems to be a sweet spot of bow noise and flight for me.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Those are really sweet numbers on your setup.. 275 FPS seems to be a sweet spot for fixed blade flight and tuning - TC

@shootingatshadow 3 года назад

@@ElkShape yeah I've noticed the same. With the lighter setup I couldn't get good fixed blade broadhead flight, and I hunt Idaho. Looks like our setups are in spitting distance of each other. Great minds or something :-p

@ApexPredatorOutdoors 3 года назад

I always say different strokes for different folks. I'm shooting here at TAC 2021 today, and my 580 grain arrows are drilling these targets, like almost penetrating the rineharts. That being said I'm thinking of backing down to 510 to gain some speed back as well. Technically anything over 500 he considers an "Adult arrow". Also can't argue with the science that there is drop at that range, but there is also way more momentum in that arrow at those long yardages. Gravity makes it drop further, but it actually retains more speed at distance than a light arrow.

@TheWVgoodguy22 3 года назад

Similar to what happened when I added 60 grains of arrow weight and a 45 grain outsert vs my original set up. 11.25 gpi vs 9.3 over 29 inches. But I was at 20 and 30 yards and shooting a much smaller block target. My new arrows were hitting the dirt they dropped that much.

@richardalmeyda8199 3 года назад

Shit...I use 100 gn brass inserts with a 200gn tip/broadhead and that alone brings me to 300g total not counting shaft. Most of my arrows are 28 1/2'' cut and after complete build up weighing around 650- to 680 gn easy with some over 700 gr. That's with an FOC coming in around 24-29% depending on my shaft builds. That there drops my buck and or boars on the spot if not less than 20 yrds recovering them after getting nailed. Thank you Ranch Fairy! That's the King of FOC.

@NPC-fl3gq 2 года назад

Talking about arrow weight... For a #70lb bow I use 435gn as a starting point, coz it's where kinetic energy and momentum "cross over" if you put them on a graph - so it's the perfect compromise between trajectory and penetration/momentum (momentum doesn't count if your arrow drops so far that you miss!!) ...and if I know I'm only shooting up close or that I'm going after something big then I will up the arrow weight, but 435 is my start point for #70.

@richarddean3154 3 года назад

Did you notice how different the shot sounded as you increased arrow weight? Great video. I shoot a Victory VAP Elite .166 in 300 spine with a 95 grain insert and 100 grain points and hover around the 460 grain mark. With a razor sharp broadhead, I would trust the arrow against any game animal in North America. Thank you for the great content.

@brownguy9920 2 года назад

Obviously heavier arrows will drop more but if you go through the process of setting all your pins you will notice a much much more even consistent spread between pins. That's what you said you were looking for righr?

@idahoelkslayer6299 3 года назад

Sweet video now I know how those tips end up down on the wood 😉

@davidbuurma9309 3 года назад

460 gr, x-impact,14.8 FOC....works for me for everything

@sgreene2036 4 месяца назад

Great video! I was going to leave a comment for the heavy arrow guys but I ran out of space.

@Eastcoasthunter902 Год назад

One thing worth noting is the heavier the weight of the arrow the less penetration you had based on the graphic on the arrow of those fmj

@jasonmelby6221 Год назад

I have a question: based on your setup, and my experience with with my own setup (I shoot a 27.5 in draw, 75 lb weight, 250 spine victory RIP TKO with a 65 GR insert and 200 GR broadhead). When paper tuning I ran into issues with becoming underspined at approximately 275 grains or heavier total up front (broadhead and insert). Could shooting underspined add to drop you were experiencing? Or would arrow spine not affect the efficiency and total drop at distance?

@joeknight7527 3 года назад

How can you shoot a 340 spine arrow at 75 pounds with a 600 grain arrow and consider that a valid test?

@ponce1521 3 года назад

What is the ranges on your pin setup? Is your last pin zeroed to 50 yards? And how many pins are you running?

@craigholland2274 3 года назад

Good video. Agree w you on this. Trade offs for heavy arrow. Even on whitetail trajectory matters . I guess I understand the heavy arrow argument but don't agree. Balance for sure. Not too heavy not too light.

@flatrockpharm4022 3 года назад

Thanks for the replies all I am saying is get an arrow that is flying true with a strong broadhead. Me I like high FOC. To give an example my wife shot a deer with a 45lb bow arrow about 450 gr foc was 25 % roughly I believe ( 100 grain ethics insert and 150 grain broadhead. Blew through the deer hit a rock on the other side, bent the ethics insert and tip of a bishop broadhead slightly. Yes only a deer but had plenty left over. Arrow was an rip 400 . So I agree with you on weight within reason but use what flies good for you and is tough. We should strive for a clean kill .

@dunno6442 2 года назад

Say I have a 8.3gpi 340 spine arrow with a 75grain field tip, 332 grains total or something would that be safe to shoot with 70lbs? thanks

@jaromhibbert7316 3 года назад

What did you observe with arrow penetration into the targets as you went up in arrow weight?

@Hydra70964 3 года назад

Any experience with the Rip Tkos? I’m shooting 275 FPS at 19% FOC utilizing 100 grain insert and 125 field point. TAW-508 Bow-V3 31 @ 70# Draw-29.5 Arrow length-28.5

@samanderson9267 3 года назад

I’m shooting 750 grains at 248 FPS. It’s a bit slow but gives me over 100 lbs of KE and most importantly, .82 slugs of momentum. Allows for more shot angles considering not many bones are gonna stop that. I’m hoping to get the FPS closer to 265 with that same weight with my next bow. The nice thing about a heavy arrow is that if you can get it flying fast, they keep their speed for a longer period of time.

@ryanhowelloutdoors7454 3 года назад

At 248fps if you are off at all judging yardages you will completely miss stuff. Don’t matter how much bone breaking power you have if the animal isn’t there when the arrow gets there. I’ve missed and wounded more animals from them not in the saMe spot they were when I released them I did from lack of bone busting penetration

@tfrost33elkhunter 3 года назад

Good video!

@justinreynolds3167 Год назад

Btw I was having ribs and shoulder blades stop light arrows with a 70 lb bow at 31 in chi draw length. Know the range and make an ethical shot and have the momentum to break bone when the shot hits poorly. It’s just a matter of time until that happens.

@timgruver5932 2 года назад

Realizing you have already done your fall hunts with your selected arrow but I guarantee you the 460 arrow is the winner. At 78#'s you have a great combination of speed and weight.

@andrewmcgaha9629 Год назад

what is the construction of those targets? floor padding foam?

@CMP. 3 года назад

When are you guys getting more max stealth vanes in stock?!?!

@clemspriggs5872 2 года назад

A video idea on this same subject but to tell the Elk hunting story a little more is 450gr arrow 50 yard pin shooting 60 yards and repeat for the different arrows showing not the total drop but rather how a ranging error can translate into a missed animal or worse a bad hit due to slower heavier arrows. I recently changed over from Axis 5mm to Victory RIP XV to get a lighter arrow so I could put more weight in the front and still have some kind of velocity. Edit.... just tried this on my range with my RIP XV arrow 435gr setup v my old Axis 5mm 510gr setup. Shooting the Axis at 67 yard on my sight tape from 60 yards to simulate the correct sight in for that arrow. I walked back 5 yards and shot the Axis, then from that same position set my sight to 60 yards and shot the RIP XV. Basically shooting both arrows as if I thought the distance was 60 yards but it was really 65. Results were aiming at the very top of the bag I only just caught the bottom of the bag with the Axis and just below the middle with the Rip XV. So at 60 yards making a 5 yard ranging error will cause a 12 inch error with the Rip XV or a 24 inch error with the Axis.

@joshbooth261 2 года назад

Did you paint those cam mods green or is there a place you ordered from?

@johnguffey5913 2 года назад

My arrows are 390gn, 54#, and 27" draw. Never had an issue with deer or elk. Yes I live out west, Washington. People say what they will, dead is dead.

@ianmorcott3113 3 года назад

Great topic and I live in Idaho! In regards to testing; I think the arrow spine is important to get it matched up to the tip weight. If the arrow is getting too much flex then the energy transfer will have excessive loss. RF has a well documented bare shaft procedure to quickly find those combinations that let the arrow fly true. I think even with lighter arrow combinations the procedure is worth the effort. ABT.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

You bet, ABT

@african7498 5 месяцев назад

Interesting to see the difference in drop - or trajectory at 60m using sights for 460 gr arrow. What you did show is why we have pins or sights on bows and why you need to set them in for different arrow weights. I would be keen to see the bow sighted in properly for arrow weights and shot at 60m with a 60m pin - then you move 5m forward and 5m backwards - 55m and 65 m and then shoot using the same 60m pin. Is that gap so much worse for a heavier arrow using the appropriate pin? Remember Dr Ed says shoot the heaviest arrow within the trajectory you are comfortable with - and this will differ depending on the type of hunting. I would rather use my 375 for a 150m shot than a 700 nitro express - but at 25m - no contest.

@jeremym335 Год назад

This topic and arguments around it are interesting. I have killed two Colorado bulls at 43 and 72 yards. Both with 400grn arrows. The 43 yard was a high angle downhill shot, entered high lung and poked out the bottom. We found that bull about 300 yards downhill from the impact zone. the 72 was a heart shot through the leg and I got almost 16" of penetration, measured on the broken side of the arrow. The elk was down within 15 seconds of the shot. I only took this shot because it was wide open, no wind, and the bull had not moved in over 5 minutes. I took almost 40 seconds to break the shot. I have had no problem with high velocity, flatter shooting arrows. Sample size is small, of course, but real life non target results. Both with 100grn 2" shwacker. I don't want to take long shots ever, but I practice out to 100 with consistency. As a long range rifle hunter with kills out to 700 I want high speed, flat shooting, high b.c. hunting rounds, and I hunt with a 6.5 saum. Again, no problems with ethical kills. That background is why I pursued a HV high FOC arrow setup.

@HighDesertAdventurer 3 года назад

As a fellow shooter with the draw length of a t rex, my arrow build is right in line with yours. 452gr total and the match grade .001 axis.

@ElkShape 3 года назад

Lol ol' t-rex draw..

@masonh9028 3 года назад

Does helical effect the effective range?

@Andreww50011 2 года назад

I have been hoping that somebody would validate my claim that my arrow that I sighted in for hits directly where I’m aiming and when I shoot heavier arrows they always hit low. That is only compounded as I get to more extreme distances with heavier weight. Up until this video, that has been purely theoretical. I’m glad you fellas proved it once and for all. I also like the idea of being like, “ranch fairy is a good dude I’m sure. He’s just one of those corn feeder, beer drinking archers that don’t understand math.” Sad thing is, 450-500 grains is a smoking awesome set up out of most any bow when tuned correctly. Which is what you are claiming. 650 grains is a more effective penetrating projectile than is any lighter setup when tuned as well. You all understand archery, you all are correct in you understanding of physics. You just prioritize different aspects of a lethal hunting set up. It reminds me of rifle hunters arguing between a 270 and a 300 win mag for Elk. Plenty been killed by both but they both have downsides.

@kirkbonds8579 3 года назад

Ashby is a proctologist and Farm Pixie is out of touch. You are spot on, don't get distracted with the heavy cool aid. I shoot 410gr at elk and everything else with grim reapers, have killed a few hundred animals with this set up. I guided Brandon on his elk hunt last yr.

@jasontownsend1985 3 года назад

Great video as always guys. Aaron Snyder is a smart dude and would be awesome if you guys did something together. What do you shoot more, the 27” or 31”? Keep the videos coming!

@ElkShape 3 года назад

We did a whole day with Aron, lots to come! - TC

@garygendreau4282 3 года назад

I know you guys are an elk channel, but you guys should do a video with MFJJ about weights and setups for whitetails, I for one would be interested to hear the weights and setups you guys would run.

@TheJacksTrades 3 года назад

Would like to see how much the 460 drops from 50 to 70 using the 50 yard pin vs how much the 510 drops doing the same if sighted in at 50. Great video.

@bad01neon 3 года назад

The 510 was 8-10ish” low in the 50yard clip and about 24ish” low at 70. So rough estimate about a foot or so difference in the 460 vs 510 at 70

@lugia233 3 года назад

I'm of the mindset of use what you are comfortable with, shot placement trumps everything else. I however like the forgiveness I get with my 600grain arrow set up if I were to mess up my shot just a little bit. people just need to get a setup they like.

@benjaminpreston2887 3 года назад

Well put, there's no 1 magic arrow that does everything perfectly.

@bmills231 3 года назад

Confidence is king.

@matthewepperson6489 3 года назад

Wouldn't you need to adjust the spine in order to tune the arrow to get an accurate representation for this test. An under spined arrow will fly significantly less accurately than an appropriate spined arrow in conjunction to arrow weight and speed.