Thanks for your great leadership Helen it's greatly appreciated by us, the ordinary people who love SA and all it's citizens. You tried your best and will certainly know in future not to trust these untrustworthy people.
Well said Helen Zilla. You are the brains in the DA, your continuing fight for South Africa and all it’s people, there aren’t many politicians with your insight and drive, unfortunately the majority of South Africans have failed to see the hard work and integrity that you have put in into the DA party.If you win all South Africans will gain. I applaud you.
Thank you Helen for your confidence and fantastic understanding of how a fair and transparent government should run. I am condident that in all the departments that the DA is in charge of there will be improvement and success.
Yes..thats "Fair"..Helen South Africans have seen what these anc nutters are all about!! We love you Helen and the D.A.political party 🥇🩵💎☂️ We love our Country 🇿🇦
@@francramalatso2883 she is your icon when you say South Africa you include me and I never vow to that or rather say most because without me truly South Africas population is incomplete to me she is a greedy old woman who is heartless lets see now western cape people are struggling with good governance impossible meaning they are crap they cant change life of those needing change im so glad Clement Manyathela have smelled the coffee because now he is exposing the shit out of DA and some will follow suit hell will break loose
@@melmthombeni9761 my point is that why is he speaking about the west when it has nothing to do with us. The politicians in Africa where we live are corrupt and it affects us South Africans. End of story. Tired of these useless tactics. We are not stupid
@@PointOfView2004 Are you really going to stand by your comment from now on? Is it wise to comment like this ? Dit you take time to think about it. If so, it is not wise to do that. Rest assured about me asking this question. Im not about to tell you any thing different. But in future just think very hard before you comment. Wish you the best.
Just expect the worst from the ANC in future. You are not dealing with people who have a history of behaving ethnically and honorably. What Ramaphosa did with his cabinet is unforgivable. Again, the ANC's problems become SA's problems. The electorate needs to punish the ANC decisively.
Prs Ramaphosa getcaway with murder. How does he not know how corrupt some ministers and Goverment departments are and the debt of one 18 billion Rand?? Sorry now wonder they would not let DA in to certain ministerial positions...to much to hide??
The ANC built the boat, no ballast, a cardboard anchor, not an oar in sight. I believe the boat has sailed with a competent crew left behind on the pier. Thank you Mike.
As a current DA Jhb Councillor I can personally attest that we did not refer to ourselves as the DA led anything. We were in the main disciplined about this (though the reality was that we were leading the coalition). You can see this in the numerous speeches that the DA made. Strangely enough, the political party that did keep referring to us this way was ActionSA. Yet that was one of their own complaints! IMHO a bit silly.
next election you guys need to work your butts off to win back those votes from the smaller parties. and really start securing the urban black vote - this is critical!
Oh Helen you would have made such a perfect president,a year in your tenure ALL South Africa would be behind you,even those gogos who are so afraid and still vote according to past loyalties and scare tactics from the corrupt parties
Us the public must thank people like Helen and the DA for their hard work. They are the stronghold between us and the corrupt masses in Parliament. We must stop to criticize constantly--ask yourself--will I be able to do it better?
Well said Helen really praying for you and DA in full to be Blessed all round guided by God and to succeed really well in all ministries and through it create more jobs for all and help the disadvantaged
The reality is that there was a constitutionally mandated deadline to elect the President and Speaker, nationally and provincially. An agreement was entered into in which the ANC got the President and Gauteng Premier and the IFP got the KZN Premier. The rest of the allocation of cabinet seats and other important posts were agreed by all parties in a signed agreement. The ANC chose not to honour the signed agreement because, according to the constitution, the President or Premier is the person who can "decide" who gets what. The ANC, flat out reneged on a signed agreement.
Of course they won the election. Don't fall into the political jargon that they did not win. They did not win with an outright majority, but they still win the election and still has all the power. It was their choice and their choice alone to go into this "GNU". They are the only party that could make that choice. They had alternatives on the table and choose this one, but whatever the DA wants to ask or claim can only happen if the ANC agrees. The DA has no rights to stand on - the party with the most votes have that right.
I really don't care about DA they talk about ANC thiefs and all that,at the end they go and work together with ANC the same people they called thiefs,how we believe them.
@@koketsok7391 Because he's probably been spinning in his grave at the disgraceful corruption and incompetence of the ANC and needs something to hang onto?
According to statistics, the DA got 25% of the votes. Of that, 32% was black, 30%white and 31% coloured. 7% was Indian. The DA is a diverse party, the only one in this country. Can the media, which in its majority belong to the ANC, fact check before they make false allegations or spread hate news. Please. Thank you
If you’re talking nationally, the DA got 21.8% of the votes. Although the DA is not a “White” party, it is perceived as such because most Whites vote DA. However, Whites only make up 7.3% of the population (and that includes those too young to vote). Obviously if 21.8% voted DA, they must have at least 15/% from other racial groups.
So, are you saying our black people wasted our votes by giving them to the FORMER NP that massacred their family members and relatives ? Do they sometimes visit the cemeteries of South Africa to see innocent bodies lying there due to the killings by the White people during 1976 and after ? I DONT THINK DO.
Team SONA , thank you for your diligent work providing intelligent and thoughtful interviews across the whole political and business spectrum in SA. To Mike Sham , keep interviewing and building your on camera skills along with your insightful probing questions. Appreciate your work….. A South African “tucker carlson” in the making without the laugh and attack anything blue with personal vitriol persona. Just imagine if your channel had the reach his channel enjoys, State of The Nation channel would be in a different scenario altogether …..????? To Helen Ziller Thank you for your service to South Africa.
I hope you will be less critical of the DA in future, Mike. You didn't help the situation before the election. We are so fortunate to have strong people in the DA to stand up for us.
I agree that we are really fortunate to have good people in the DA. This will makes me more determined to hold them accountable because this shows people that there is a gulf between the leaders in the DA and the others.
Instead of dealing in good faith with an experienced partner, the ANC will run a bad government that they dominate and they will look bad. They will lose another 10% at the next election. Keep an eye on the bi-elections. Better still, keep watching the State of the Nation.
@@nkolisa8337 I agree people should still not be using pit latrines. Dean McPherson has already raised his concerns over them. Just hope it happens soon 🙏
HELEN ZILLER WOULD BE A FANTASTIC WONDERFUL EXCELLENT PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA!!!! I HONOUR HER, SHE IS A GREAT WOMAN.....VERY WISE, VERY MUSH INTELEGENT! SHE IS ONE OF A KIND!!! SHE EXSPLAIN THINGS VERY EASY FOR OUR NORMAL PEOPLE❤❤❤
The media have always been hostile towards the DA. Why the public don't seem to understand proportionality is unacceptable. However, mathematics is not a broad strength of most in SA. Seems to be a foreign concept, unfortunately.
I'm a first time voter of the DA & I've never been disappointed, DA does indeed stick to their words... South Africa need honest leaders that will lead with intergrity, uphold the law & provide good governance... I'm glad we have such leaders in the DA.
Correct Mike, DECEIVED, dirty play, low integrity and will never change. We heard nothing and had to guess what went on behind closed doors. Got to know your trade in dealing with snakes like Cyril and his corrupted gangs.
If you are trying to do something right you start off giving the other the benefit of the doubt. True wisdom was what she did afterwards,.trick me once, trick me twice comes to mind
It is not trust but patriotism. ANC is still the same useless political party. DA did public demonstration for the blind ANC followers to see what is the real ANC. even those who did not vote could see for themselves that ANC is now threating South Africa like their legacy. I applauded their firm stand against ANC. DA is the only one that is challenging corrupt ANC head on.
Just expect the worst. They are not dealing with people that have a history of behaving ethnically and honorably. What Ramaphosa did with his cabinet is unforgivable. Again, the ANC's problems become SA's problems. The electorate needs to punish the ANC decisively.
ANC this, ANC that, the ANC is a group of individuals. Could you please tell your viewers who exactly, names please, the names of opinion leaders, are the ones who tried so hard to disregard what the electorate, the voters, decided should happen?
@@andrewgreener I listened. It never occurred to Helen that the ANC would create extra positions to accommodate the ANC. Really? The DA should have had in writing how many Cabinet Ministers there were going to be. How else do you work out (proportionally) the number of seats you should get? Helen PRESUMED there’d be 27. On what basis? Obviously if you’re including extra parties you can’t reduce the size of the Cabinet. How many Cabinet Ministers will there be is the FIRST question! Then you work out your share. Sheer stupidity!
The DA / Helen was outsmarted and the ANC was dishonest. They withheld the fact they intended to increase the Cabinet Ministers from 30 to 32. Helen THOUGHT the ANC would reduce to 27. Really?The ANC intended including additional parties, so of course there wouldn’t be a reduced number of seats.
Under the circumstances, the DA is doing very well as SA’s conscience. The DA and ANC are very different by organizational culture and principles. I’m hoping the GNU will expose Party Ethics and Governance enough for voters to understand that we can’t live the future in the shoes of the past. At some point, we need to become a nation, in spite of our past.
ANC is still the same useless political party. DA did public demonstration for the blind ANC followers to see what is the ANC really. even those who did not vote could see for themselves that ANC is now threating South Africa like their legacy. I applauded their firm stand against ANC. DA is the only one that is challenging corrupt ANC head on.
The only road to success is to run the allocated functions well and communicate the success consistently Also communicate the failure of the other functions We need a super aggressive marketing strategy
DA made a fatal mistake by rushing to form a government with the ANC, nationally and Provincially. I guess they did not believe that their 21% was huge enough. Hope they learn from this ❤❤
Time will tell whether this was a mistake. I think that if the DA, IFP or any other party stands a chance of making a difference in SA, they have to show that they can govern. There comes a time when we all have to step into the ring or shut our mouths.
Is anyone aware that The Government has enforced a medical check for Drivers License, every 5 years for those over sixty years i.e. PENSIONERS. The Medical Doctors charge up to and even more than R500.00 for this check up. So a pensioner must add R500.00 to whatever the new Drivers license fees will be, every 5 years. Please forward this to someone who is able to help- Thanks
@eddiee7870 I think this is fair. I cannot tell you how many older people are a danger on the roads. My MIL was one of them. Another 83 year old friend is another. I'm 63 and I fully accept that cognitive decline and reflexes must be a factor when obtaining a license.
@@LuckyHoneyBadger-ex4ze I'm complaining of the PRICE, NOT the medical examination. Doctors are milking Pensioners as usual. We need help not condemnation SASSA's pension = R1,950.00pm ??? Meat is unaffordable thus we grow weaker by the day
@@gbone7581 I'm complaining of the PRICE, NOT the medical examination. Doctors are milking Pensioners as usual. We need help not condemnation SASSA's pension = R1,950.00pm ??? Meat is unaffordable thus we grow weaker by the day
Thresholds of 2% and maybe even 5% would be good to consolidate the issues and get rid of small parties who basically become a waste of votes when they get only 1 seat in parliament. This is quite standard in MMP electoral systems globally.
ANC got 40% of the vote. No, they didn’t get the 50%+1 they needed for an outright majority, but they were still the party with the most votes. That gave them more bargaining power than anyone else at the negotiating table. They now have the upper hand. I’m not an ANC supporter, however they outmaneuvered the DA and taught them an important lesson.
No party won a majority, therefore somebody who "lost" was going to end up as the President and "losing parties" were going to get seats according to deals struck. We have dealing with this for years in the Metros where no party had a majority.
Hi Mike, surely we all know that you can never rely or trust the devil, so the DA should have negotiated on that basis, but clearly the ANC still shouting the odds and remaining in control.
I have watched your podcasts predominantly on my phone, but this one I watched on my TV. The picture quality in what I saw in Mike Shame's coverage there was a significant difference in quality whether one chose to view the podcast on a phone as opposed to a TV
Thank you for watching the podcast. Which device had the better quality? Obviously when we do an online interview, we are at the mercy of our guests setup. In our studio, the setup is broadcast quality.
@@bevturner2258 So Labour just won a "landslide" in the UK with 33.7% of the vote. Politics is more dynamic and nuanced then before. The DA are the kingmaker in this election and the ANC has chosen to betray the agreement. That kind of action always carries unintended consequences.
No they were lied to by the usual bunch of ANC crooks. But they have to hang around to show the latter how to manage the country. But then I wouldn't expect someone who says something as stupid as you did to understand. It's called 'politics'.
The DA had a fantastic opportunity to use their leverage to the fullest extent, they didn't. I'm not convinced that a doomsday coalition is worse than the DA not existing as a party in 2026. South Africa is in a doomsday situation since 94'. So that was absolute fearmongering that many unfortunately fell for. "We cannot go into coalition with a party that is fundamentally the problem" / "We will never go into a coalition with the ANC" - DA 2023. RIP.
I don't think that it is fair to blame the negotiating team. You can negotiate the best deal on your new BMW, but when the seller delivers a Toyota Corolla, you can't blame the buyer. Every agreement has a large element of good faith attached. If it didn't, no deal would be consumated.
@mikesham3204 Helen is very experienced Mike, and in my view, too much good faith was afforded the ANC, who doesn't have the best track record when it comes to compromise. Trust but verify 😉 Having said that, I don't believe anyone else would have been able to do a better job.
solution is to reduce the costs - 1. packages of ministers and deputy ministers to the level of 6th administration or even lower. that will have to be accepted by many political particties who have been claiming are not there for the positions but service delivery
The DA reached their ceiling, they'll never be above 25% such a tragedy. After this GNU period, the DA won't be able to differentiate themselves from the ANC.
I think that it will be easier for the DA to differentiate themselves because of the GNU. Voters know the difference between good and bad cabinet ministers. This is why the ANC lost its majority.
I think both the ANC and the DA have lost some voters over this coalition. However, If the DA show real improvement in the portfolios they’ve been given, they’ll gain more voters than they lost.
In what way are Western Cape government hospitals offerring good care for people? Perhaps the standard in other provinces is so low that it makes the WC look good, but there is a long way to go to an efficents and trustworthy state hospital
One thing the DA has learned from this closer association with the ANC is that although it is in government with that fraternity it is not in the ANC and is therefore subject to deceit as exemplified right here at the start. But this is in adorable problem. People cannot fairly and reasonably expect miracles. The alternative to this weak and vulnerable alliance is 'too ghastly to contrmplate' and the juggling and tightrope walking required to avert that alternative alliance must be recognized by rational observers who are too quick to criticise from a position that takes little or no account of the formidable difficulties. The blame is not with the DA. It is with the media and ignorant voters and abstainers. The electorate is to blame. Another point is that if the DA were to fight too precipitously and hard on every retrograde racist policy of the ANC and miraculously succeed in overturning them all, the ANC will lose more votes in the next election which will go to abd strengthen the other rotten parties. It has to be said that the majority vote is black and against the elimination of race-based privileges.
