Helicopter Armbar OR Helicopter Triangle? (A Gracie Debate) 

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I would rather call it a triangle lift instead of helicopter because he doesn't spin

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I'm more into helicopter Into reverse helicopter. I make my opponent spin me then I slam into his face with my forehead

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Or just flies away from the helicopter motion

Ouch.... that is simple... but effective

Helikopter head kick more effective

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Matt G armbar can be much easier to get against big opponents sometimes too though. And it’s less fatiguing if you go for it and fail. Desperately trying for a triangle and failing will leave you completely gassed and defenceless

prandz420 I don’t know this really is a tough debate... I mean a helicopter sub is already just risky overall so like Rener said just getting the opponent up in the air is the toughest part, so I think once the opponent is in the air it’s a 50/50 either way you’ve got a successful sub unless the opponent has good enough instincts to stop either submission by standing for arm bar or getting the arm in like Ryron showed. So I just say go with the choke over the arm bar because it’s the more threatening. And honestly in a street scenario i’m going arm bar over triangle all day since it’s so much easier to release while a triangle is just asking to be slammed Matt Hughes Vs. Carlos Newton style

Choke them out, then break their arm. That’s what coach teaches us always

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If you going for the triangle, what’s to stop the top guy from simply pulling his left arm back and stopping the whole move?

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I suggest you watch John Danahers video on the triangle. You just need more angle than someone with long legs

@@GKang93 Thanks for the tip! Great video with lots of useful information.

I find triangles to be better , but triangles are my best technique , I've practiced them the most .

Actually statistics of fights show that the triangle is the only technique that increases in success rate after getting your leg over. Always fight for your triangle, even though it's bad.

@Vali Zeth: Do you have a link to that info? I'd be interested in looking into that.

Triangle can put u unconscious and without irreparable damage. And i believe u never get out of a tight triangle. also some strong dudes can fight through the pain even if their arm is broken they can come at u and attack if somehow get out. With triangle, u cant fight through cuz u just have no air. Cant fight that. Feel me?

@yonathan L: Totally valid points and I completely agree, but my triangle set-up just isn't that reliable... yet.

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