HELL RAISER vs SHOWTIME 

This bloke knows how to drive these machines, great to watch.

I don't think either one of these guys have EVER heard of tread lightly!!! These are amazing machines!!!

@MadRam11 as long as someone's foot isnt made of lead, anyone can. all that power to make a buggy go sideways. totally worth it .

yeah which makes it even more impressive a friend of mine and i once built a rollcage for a (smaller)buggy and he really liked the style of these buggies so we too used like tons of tubing in the end, everything was finished when we realized, there was no way to get inside...that was a bummer

I could watch these all day!

@BLACKLACDTS no he sold Hell Raiser as a rolling Chassis, the engine and transmission are now in Showtime

Love how they grooved the tires on hell raiser. Look mean, i would love to groove my boggers but its hard to shave something that cost me so much, lol

Great video. I love watching these high hp rigs climb those hills.

@ktumbleweed You're absolutely right, the terrain is completely different than it is out here in the west, most people in the sierras crawl because there are huge rocks and slabs of granite, pretty much equivalent to street tires on pavement, so throttle input is slow and steady (crawling) to avoid breakage of axles and other drivetrain components. Dirt and loose terrain, especially climbs in it requires wheelspin and pre-determined routes. Totally badass video.

@MadRam11 Great video's as always. I love how it looks like a grenade went off whenever Tim stands on Showtime.

Man I don't know if I have a favorite. I really like Game Changer

@andyfederman Thanks man, The biggest reason he went back to 1 tons is because Rockwells just don't climb as good as 1 tons. Yeah the Rockwells are stronger but you have to beat them a lot harder to make the trails!!

He's one of the best rock bouncing drivers in the WORLD. You don't know what you are looking at, bud. He is famous for his almost perfect use of rear steer.

It's amazing how drastically the setup affects the abilities. Either way, both rigs are WIN

Those hills are almost vertical. I ride fourwheelers and some of the things we hit are serious, but it don't look that way on camera but this is awesome dude.

@themaster91156 No its a completely different block. Google LSX 454 and you will find more info about it

To everyone saying they are just pointing and shooting, I say come on!! It may not look like itbut there is a lot of skill going on here. You gotta be thinking several steps ahead, pick the right line, use the right amount of throttle at the right time, manipulate the rear steer, and when you do get in trouble keep a level head and do your best to drive out of it!! Crawling is cool, I used to do it, but you have a lot of time to react. The way they do it, you have a split second to react.

I'm no expert but is seems to me that the difference between those 2 buggies, as far as the video showed, was maturity. In the clips of Hell Raiser he was using too much rear steer input. That's why he was sliding sideways so much. By the time he built Show Time he had leaned to better manage the rear steer and not give it so much input.

I like the amount of fighting in these comments. I'm not sure about these "buggies" being "cool" in any way. But who am I to judge, this is not my forest. Please tear it apart your heart content.

Showtime seems to make its own lines, Hellrazer cant seem to keep a line. Both sweet rigs. Keep up the good work.

That is just sick. You got skill. I need me one of these rigs. Hell with rock crawling.

these thing are the coolest things on wheels iv ever seen!!...i want a street legal one with those frames...sick!

@Cr4zyt1ts Probably the heims on the links, not bushings so you always have metal on metal contact on the suspension arms, most passenger cars use bushings for comfort and low road noise.

The sound of the red one is epic.

the fact that he hasn't been killed by flying rocks is more impressive than the vehicle itself

I was going to say that the guy driving the red looked like he knew what the hell he was doing and the one in the green was clueless, but then I saw that it was the same dude...lol. Driving styles were totally different with both rigs.

@runvous1 I think he is going to hang on to this one for a little while. At least I hope he does.

I cant w8 to see yall out there for TGW!

There are no Blue Prints. These guys don't use blue prints, they build them from scratch. Most of them keep all the knowledge tucked inside there SKULL

I would say the driving styles are pretty different too. The green buggy gives it hell and the red is more meticulous and takeshis time. Watch more videos of that green buggy, they are wild!

Holy shit Batman !!! Those are some high dollar rigs there.

@gunzkevin Depends on the design and parts. These two buggies cost about what a good size new home costs!

As someone who really understands the workin aspects of a 4x4 vehicle i can say I really appreciate the videos. Great quality and so much better than 99% of the garbage on youtube. the new rig is great just wondering why the switch back to 1tons from the top loading rockwell axles. I'm guessing since mr. cameron there can break any axle you put underneath him and he went with the 1 tons to get more power to the wheels? Thanks for the awesome vids.

the hell raiser buggy is cool but it seems like the rebound on the shocks were set pretty high causing it to bounce instead of staying compressed for a little longer alowing it to bite like Showtime buggy did just a thought ;) .....I would love either one !

I love the cage work, excellent

@MadRam11 Perhaps I am mistaken, it just seemed like the style was different. Well anyhow, cool video, thanks for sharing

I'd love to show up at the local mud hole in either one....both are awesome rigs..

seems like the driver in showtime has a little better control but both buggies seem very very capable

@deathcomrad99 Anytime you wana come ride with us and show TC how to drive let me know and I can arrange it.

I think that some of this differences has to be driver skill. I mean the way the green buggy was driven was certainly different from that of the red. Nice vehicles, both of them. Would be fun to play with I should think.

@BigH3017 lol, this has a 454 small block in it, look it up if you don't believe me.

Those rockwells must really screw up the green buggies weight haha, that red one drove a lot smoother.

dude those buggys are awesome and my gpa put that kind of motor in his 57' chevy and it is bad sweet buggys

Crazy axles man! Looks like a Swiss jeep

@towersquirrel haha, its the same person driving both of them.

@AcesUpOffroad haha, never thought of it like that but you are correct.

@ChaplainC It's the same driver driving both rigs

people whos say tht the driver is a noobe or cant drive didnt read the description tim cameron was driving both of those

both beautiful rigs. Nuff said!

It's cool to see these 2 monsters at work. I'd say show time is a lighter rig, makein it a better climber, the rockwells are awesome but heavy, maybe a real deal big block like a 572 would help hellraiser deal with its extra weight?

the motor in showtime sounds soo cool it screams

you guys should show up at the next top truck challenge !

no 3d drawings or anything. This was all done out of the guys head, not computer work at all.

@UntamedAdreniline I agree, I like both

Wow!!!!! both killer buggy's.I just never get tired of watching these monsters ripping the trails a new a**hole

@sik59rt Its the same person driving both rigs

I just absolutely love this design !!!

these buggies always get my blood pumping!

Hell Raiser had different axles than Showtime. Thats why

that red ones off its face - awesome

@theninjadang lol, its the exact same driver in both buggies.

wow what a difference. He is one hell of a driver!

Can really see the difference in the handling... Rockwells have too much unsprung weight, better off under 1 ton trucks spinning 50 - 60 inch tires. Hellraiser looks bad ass, but Showtime has my vote... & why isn't TC driving racing vehicles for a living? Dat boy got mad skills!!!

@JerryGiesler09 I'm pretty sure I know Tim Cameron and I know both are his buggies HE built and drives BOTH of them. Yes he was driving both and he just sold his green one recently.

@sik59rt man not sure what you are talking about, I haven't deleted any comments.

Hell Raiser was way too heavy IMO, axles were probably the culprit. Awesome vid!

@TheDeag1e Its the same motor just different exhaust

@Belcher3838 ran out of time on grooving it and wanted to ride so left it like that for the day

Hellraiser is a good looking vehicle, but iv'e watched Showtime do some pretty amazing stuff, so i like Showtime better, but thats just my opinion. Both are are damn nice machines, you are a buggy building genius , no doubt !!!!!!!!!

I think showtime fits that buggy well! Damm, that thing is mean!

Ya showtime definately hooks up better than hell raiser ever dreamed of!!!!

@RideYourRide it is both

@ALWAYSIN2SOMTHING He owns a couple of big car washes.

@sik59rt haha, its the same person driving both rigs

one hell of a save at 0:59

That "guy" in the red one is the same person driving the green one. The red one, Showtime, literally climbs anything tho.

must just be the buggy and his confidence in his equipment, but it seems like he drove a lot more agressive in the red one for the most part

love the rockwells

@MadRam11 you mean like a 350 block bored to a 454 and thats why its small

@Caterider if we had dunes around here we would go there but we don't

we call them rock bouncers and there are different companies who make them

if it is the same guy why dosent he use the skills he uses on the red and not on the green one? I mean I love how he feathers the gas on the coming up part at 1:08 onwards! sick driving there! Anyhows both are ultra sick! wow!

@jasondean250 yeah they are both awesome rigs

@3choFoxTrot This chassis is forsale for $7,500

@deendan1 Never, the 5 point Harness hold you in place even in a crash

@donhd04 I dont know but it would be cool to see for sure

Hell Raiser needed shock work and tires!!! Both are bad azz!

Doesn't seem like a completely fair comparison to me because the obstacles were all considerably dryer in the showtime clips which would make them easier. Either way I wouldn't mind having either rig.

@AceThee maybe so man

glad ya like it

Showtime is just a wicked machine!!!

made out of 1.75 DOM tubing some .25 wall and some .188 wall

Can't believe that nobody has had any eye injuries from not wearing some kind of eye protection.

Heroes of Real MotorStorm.

@Piffydaily yeah that would be pretty sick for sure

Showtime looks a whole lot lighter. Especially in the front end. Would make a bit more sense to why it's making things up quicker.

I love your vids Tim keep them coming. I was wondering out of the three buggies ive seen which one is your favorite? looks like hell raiser was just that hell to drive.

@ka4172 It's the same guy lol Tim Cameron is driving both. Both are his rigs also.

Thumbs up for the tree huggers at 2:12 HAHAHA!!!

@gunzkevin Its expensive, Well over 60k