Keep the med pen but up the damage. It's a bolt action rifle likely using .30-06 so I don't think it should penetrating heavy armor. They need to add a stripper clip when you use all the shots for a quicker reload. Fun weapon to use though, was pretty happy to get a traditional bolt action to use
After I stabbed my way through a pack of hunters and warriors on the bug side, I was won; but I'm not sure this is the melee weapon I've been wishing for.
I love it, I find it fun and easy on terminids, especially with a recoilless rifle for bile titans and chargers stratagems:orbital napalm barrage eagle napalm orbital precision strike
I haven't seen any solid arguments as to why this thing shouldn't be competitive in its class. And before anyone points out the description... It had a similar description in HD1 as well while still being an objectively *good* weapon. There is no reason why it shouldn't be the same in HD2. It was never a 'meme' weapon.
Agreed. All I keep seeing is "it's a meme weapon" or "use the melee more" and similar stuff like that, like why are y'all being so defensive?? We want this weapon to shine just as much as the others do, and right now it's dissapointingly lacklustre.
Bro fr literally every video i see with this gun there will be ppl in the comments saying "we need a meme weapon. Its meant to be bad," which is js so silly because the gun looks so cool
I think the reason it's fun IS because it's "bad". If it had the damage buff and stripper clips and even a scope like everyone has been saying I feel like the conversation would just shift to "constitution is just a worse DCS." Love the stripper clips idea but again I think it's charm IS that the constitution is a fun way to limit/challenge yourself. Even before the constitution was leaked I've fantasized about a med pen bolt action SNIPER primary, from the sounds of the 'average' buff requests for the constitution, I'm not alone and I feel like that's the real 'win-win' solution to the constitution balance discussion (although it would take a minimum of like 2 months and be released in a warbond). Feel free to tell me I'm a big dummy and the real solution is to get rid of every gun except the liberator or something.
The funniest part of it all... those same goofs will have that thing rotting on the shelf in a couple weeks.... and it will be like the other half of the arsenal not used
These "oh iz meem wepon" arguments are some of the greatest retardation I ever read about HD2. If these people had their way, we'd still be stuck in the pre-Buffdivers era and the game would be failing still...
In my opinion, it was designed and created long before the buffs we recently received and was over-looked when it came to its release. Do I believe it needs a buff? No. However I am not against it receiving one. If anything, double the dmg output and it would be nearly perfect. There's a decent argument for additional armor penetration, but that's minor.
I think its a fine tradeoff for it having weaker armor now. Scarier gun makes you need to deal with it while also actually having tools to deal with it now. Blasting that turret with whatever I brought is always a top priority for me as you can't just simply ignore it as much anymore.
when you go down sights the back sight looks like it's 2 feet away from your face. they need to change the ads so it's not so silly looking. that back loop sight should be big and only like 6 inches from the eye. would make aiming so much easier.
even if the gun is difficult/bad in comparison to other, i have fun using mainly due to the bayonet and cuz is a ceremonial gun, i hope they buff the bayonet tho, so can kill Hunters in one hit without Peak Passive and more stagger like default melee
I love it as a meme weapon. it's always going to be funny to have around as a gag, you see one person equip it and then suddenly the whole squad is rolling down there with 19th century tech. The game should have something like that
I honestly thought it was a meme weapon from the description alone. Like a bolt action weapon in Helldivers with no extra features but a bayonet? Probably as useful as the double barrel shotgun lol
im baffled at how much the rocket striders miss you. i feel like i am constantly getting nailed by them everywhere i go, no matter how fast i move. i swear i always die on the first rocket
they should make constitution 2.0 or something, like a modern version of it, but with current stats. So you get ur meme weapon, and you get a new cool gun.
Alternatively "meme" weapon could just not mean it has to be trash. A meme weapon should be just as good and competitive as other weapons. Just make it good. The fact that it is a bolt action rifle with a bayonet is the meme.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 I do like the weapon being shit to fuck about with, but I'd prefer a better functioning alternative. bolt action riffles are cool to use. It could be the go to weapon for late difficulty bots with the heavy spam. There needs to be more weapons that can take down armored striders.
i've seen names like "Super-Constitution", "Constitution Mk2" and "The Amendment". if they actually made one i hope it gets a bayonet and suppressor options. in HD1 the Constitution had the strongest bullet until you upgraded your other guns. So it was a strong weapon(until there's more chaff enemies than you have bullets) but still a joke compared to other HD1 weapons.
I think it could've been better fleshed out. It functions how I'd expect a bolt action weapon to work, just think the reload on empty should be using a stripper clip as was common for all of the bolt action weapons that don't have a scope blocking that means. The rounds COULD have more AP as it'd just be a change to the core of the round to make that possible. The weapon itself for its appearance is based on the P1917 American Enfield so some added player skill animations for it would be great as you could have the availability to do a madminute with it.
I'm personally not surprised that it's underpowered considering it's a HD1 weapon. It's bound to be weak cuz of it being outdated technology and its also mentioned that they're given to 16 year olds to promote enlisting as a helldiver. Point in place it doesn't have to be buffed, but I wouldn't mind one.
i think it would be much more fun to use if it had the atleast same pen as senator and maybe full reload from empty mag. to me it just doesnt make any sense that a bolt action rifle with slow fire rate and small mag and slow reload should be weaker per shot than secondary pistol. Even if it had the higher pen it would still probably be just a meme weapon but atleast it would be way more fun to use.
I run Light Commando Armor for extra melee damage, Laser Pistol for smaller bugs, Frags, Jetpack, Queso Cannon, 500kg, and Orbital Gas. I am an absolute speed demon clearing nests, MPOI, and Secondary Objectives while the rest of the team does main and anything else near them.
I find that it is a lot better against the bugs than the bots because the bugs have less armor/more weak points and it makes the melee way easier to utilize
As a meme weapon, its not bad, HOWEVER i would love to see a buff for it. The increase of armor penetration to 4, and maebye a small dmg buff would be very nice. It would put the constiturion rifle in a spot where it is like a primary senator, that would make it more usable, but not too much usable, in my opinion.
This gun needs the buffdivers treatment. AP4, 240 damage and stripper clip reloads. It won't become S-tier or OP because, just like the Senator, it has serious drawbacks that offset all these buffs and balance them out. Also, increasing the range on the bayonet strike would be great. Rn, it has the same range as the buttstroke, which makes no sense...
To be honest Tak, I stopped losing my mind telling you through the screen all the time to grab another resupply lmao. You always tend to only grab one pack and never fully top off your stims 😂
honestly up the damage to 250-300 and add strip clip reloads and possibly an old style scope at the very least. Ideally, add heavy pen and it can be the primary revolver basically, while also upping the damage to 250-300 and adding strip clips for empty reload, and again an old style scope would be nice but i can appreciate good iron sights, and lower the ammo count to 65 including loaded rounds. Has potential to be a unique and enjoyable weapon but they missed the mark and it needs work, otherwise its just another trash weapon like 80% of the other primaries. Everyone with a brain loved the changes to the revolver, there is no reason this rifle should be doing LESS than that while basically being a primary equivalent of the revolver gameplay wise. the idea that people think there should ever be weapons that arent competitive with others and just stay shit for the sake of being shit or because its a "joke" is just insane. You can have a joke weapon and make it be good or atleast have utility. There is never an excuse for a weapon to be allowed to be shit.
It's a COOL weapon, but: -Give it stripper reload and it would be cool and GOOD -With stripper and more damage it would cool and PERFECT -With all of that plus heavy pen it would be cool and CRAZY (If only the first change comes I would be 100% satisfied already)
Factory strider hat fires 2-4 times, mostly 3 though, the 4th fire i encountered once was probably a bug) This change was before their 60 day plan when they nerfed all our weapons and introduced the missile tanks and striders
Hell pod space optimization might have been more optimal and I think it just needs a little more amor pen and give it the ability to speed load like the senator.
Keep medium pen, up the damage to at least counter sniper and give it a stripper clip on full reloads and people will run it seriously. And I fully understand that they would rather release an underwhelming gun then tweak it, community does not respond well to nerfs, especially not after they made most things feel good to use again.
The weapon is fun but think it would be great if they add stripper clip and higher damage! Higher pen would be good but i think very high damage but low pen kind of weapon would be fun too. Either way, some buffs would be greatly appreciated! 😀
In stead of buffing it's damage or pen, why not have it do another effect not related to combat. Use it for exclusive gear, or credit bonuses or something else that proves mastery?
It's fun, but not competitive. Which is fine. Remember this was the starter standard issue from HD1, to put another way "it's the liberator from 100 years ago" why do people think it should be capping Hulks. 😅
about this rifle i only mind onf thing, the bayonette ist as efficient as it would be, i think they should make you able to stab faster with this weapon
If its a ceremonial rifle why is it not firing blanks and why is it in the arsenal of an active soldier. Using an old style rifle in real combat is just as valid as being ceremonial as firing it with blanks. It being a "meme" weapon doesnt mean its ok for it to be shit, it should be competitive with other weapons. The senator is a meme weapon too yet it is very good. Your argument is fucking stupid and further supporting and justifying a legitimate weapon being trash simply because its a meme is shitty behaviour. If you dont want the game to get better, just say so; but dont act like people are dumb for wanting the game and the guns in it to be better. If its a ceremonial rifle people like you should be asking for it to be removed outright as it has 0 place in the arsenal of an active combatant. It should only be available to look at on the wall of the super destroyer, by that logic too it should at most only be loaded with blanks, and if not that the barrel should be blocked so it cant fire period, it should only exist in civilian context as a parade tool and should never be anywhere near the functioning toolset of a helldiver. If its for nothing but ceremonies it shouldnt be available as a weapon if it serves no combat or utility purpose, and ceremonies arent a utility.
It needs pen 4 and striper clips imo. It should be comparable to the senator but as it is a meme weapon I dont think it needs to be "good" and should only be use as a challenge run or RP weapon.
It makes zero sense how little damage it does. They made it worse than it would literally be if this game's universe was reality. It also should probably have a couple extra rounds in the internal magazine. 275 damage for an immediate buff and then stripper clips down the line. People wanting to keep this a meme make no sense. They keep acting like people who want a buff want it to be meta. Nobody is asking for a meta weapon. People just want to use an iron sighted bolt action that's not awful. Which isn't weird because the game is heavily inspired by WW1 and WW2.
I think its just a bit of dumb fun to use, i wish the sights were a bit better, iron sights are hard to get right in game and arent super fun to use, put an old timey scope on this thing and im in all the way
From: "I'm kicking you if you refuse to pick railgun" 6 months ago to "I am kicking you if I see Constitution in your loadout" Oh boy, game is as toxic as ever and devs don't even recognize how they feed this toxicity😂 It's not super funni.exe when you switch to your sidearm because it's better in EVERY way
The Senator btw you dont have to aim at the hips on the walkers it pens the armor too just 3 shots anywhere on the front of them and dead. Kind of dumb how a 30-06 rifle cant do the same thing.
Getting another bad weapon is lame. Yeah it’s a meme and not supposed to be good. Problem is that there are plenty of primaries that are bad. Bayonet is cool tho I guess
I think they should leave it as a meme weapon but add another bolt action marksman rifle like it except good Like the DCS but bolt action and a bit higher damage and no bayonet An actual modern sniper
