Helldivers 2 REMOVED from 100 Countries on Steam - PSN Backlash 

i sry but me still cry much ... i loved game not can play it anymore at all i am disgusted

Biggest heel ever since csgo2 and overwatch 2

Nah. Y'all just had your heads in the sand. The industry didn't change on it's own.

The industry didn't change. One gem doesn't equal golden era

Fuck Sony. i hope Arrowhead can get them to back pedal.

I never thought we'd lose the war this way.

yeah this mission is way to hard joel really dropped the ball this time :)

Indeed a much harder foe to defeat.

​@@desertdude8274 we were sabotaged

I dont see the diference

Oh really? Tell us more! Always interested in hearing stories of successes.

This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.

After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.

@RafaelWilson-nu6ge Wow, that’s inspiring. How can I contact Ana Graciela Blackwelder?

I am delighted to write it today, I hope it helps me manage my paycheck correctly.

hard disagree on sensible monetization. just because there are plenty of other examples that are much worse, doesn't make this sensible/reasonable/okay. MTX belong in f2p games. you pay a not-insignificant box price here. stop with that defeatist, pathetic mentality of saying it's okay, just because others are even shittier.

​@@user-xo2iw6lz2n have you played the game? You can unlock the warbonds for free just by playing the game and collecting supercredits. So purchasing anything in the game with real money is optional. The "grind" doesn't take long at all either.

​@@user-xo2iw6lz2n lol what? I have every warbond and every superstore item and I've never spent a single cent other than purchasing the game. Seems fine too me

@@user-xo2iw6lz2n You can earn the "premium" currency just by playing the game though , buying super credits is only if you want those items faster , so IMO main commenter was right about saying sensible

@@user-xo2iw6lz2n dude stfu its more then real what he said, i got the game for 30$ and never had to buy anything else in the game, it gives you credits just for playing. So stfu with that argument

they signed the deal. dont be mad when the devil comes knocking for his pound of flesh that you offered.

@@MenAreNotOk The deal can be easily amended. It would take 10 minutes to type, print and sign an amendment that excludes that clause.

Yeah...

They want this, for better tools to ban ppls, chek Misty tweets about it. She delete her profile, but you can still find her posts

Yeah, but you read the agreement and signed it anyway. Arrowhead can't walk away from this

Now sony become a Woman Karen

Facts

The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it. You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there. It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games. We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game. Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain. But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point. You buy a game based on the Terms and Conditions of the game when you first play it, it was always there and you knew at one point you had to have a PSN account. So make a fake one if you don't trust Sony with your information. Honestly you should not trust any company with any of your personal information because of how rampant online hacking is, literally every big chain franchise like Target, Walmart, Best Buy and more have all been hacked at some point.

​@@HawnkoxticBlackmorth4444 you can be critical without being a misogynist. Just say 'karen'. Corporations aren't people. They're capitalistic machines that only care about money. The people making these decisions aren't "asking to speak to a manager", they are the manager. So, really, they're more like a shitty parent if anything.

The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it. You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there. It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games. We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game. Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain. But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point.

Ubisoft, you forgot Ubisoft... And also BattleState Games as well lol

They really didn’t. Blizzard is still worse than all three.

​@@_Cetarial on my understanding Blizzard didn't do nothing like this leave people without a game after paying for it? And Ubisoft telling the consumers you don't have to own you games for shit like this happening after you pay for it? This is why we don't like companies like Sony or Ubisoft they're not your friends and clearly are the worse, yes more than Blizzard

​​@@akeemnereida6119 well... the OW 2 PvE that was promised and teased. Then removed.

IDK. Blizzard is doing ok now outside of OW2, which is being ran by idiots. But D4 is going strong.​@@_Cetarial

Corps have long controlled our lives…. Now they’re after our souls!

He was always right though. Corporations will end up at that point if people just keep treating themselves as cattle to be lead by the corps.

soon people will realize cyberpunk is not a far off reality

@@sac-_ A good minority of people realize this already. There are plenty of people however who either welcome it, or wont care until it effects them. One will ask: 'wait I thought I was going to be a badass?" as they work a 20 hour shift before getting shot in the head for asking for a raise or "I did not sign up for this!" As they watch the status quo that gave them a good life melt before them. As everything they took for granted disappears for the rest of their life. The only people who truly look forward for this are the megalomaniacs who want power above all else, and enjoy the thought of being able to lord over others at the threat of them being hurt if they don't comply. Money is just their weapon.

He was ALWAYS RIGHT

So much for polar patriots

Those bastards

Me living in Iran, First time?

The hardcore chads in Antarctica all have nord vpn, so fuck you Sony XD

I guess fuck penguins..

"Come on, you apes! You want to live forever?"

“This sounds like treason”

I literally just was diving , I guess enjoy your vacation . 😂

How dare you give up now when they need us most

I pray we meet again... in another Dive 🤝

ORBITAL INCOMING

@@popeskii 380 bro

​@@Yacht.461000kg bomb.

Hellbomb Incoming!

Arrowhead more so as it's their game being punished

I came in late and missed the Creek. I only played for a month, but it was the best game I've played in so long. I'm going to hate seeing the active helldivers number drop, after barely getting to see the potential of this nearly perfect game.

We can only hope some Helldivers are IRL hackers and seek revenge against Sony lol

"community that retook the Creek and terminated two billion bugs - both within hours - had the power to impress a real-life villainous corporation into changing its decisions." bro its a video game chill out 💀

@@vinnsterpj for some people, it's not just a game though. In the coming weeks, people who saved and paid hard earned money just to be able to play the game wont be able to do so anymore.

@@vinnsterpj Learn to enjoy your life. It's a game that people got immersed in, and the Creek and 2 billion bugs thing was a big feeling of comradery for the player base.

awesome 🥰

Steam charts really havent changed so Yip Yip Hooray for you

still have 8% idiots

it went from 90% oositive to 19%, it was overwhelmingly positive before the 3rd

@@yes21g oh i'm absolutely gonna play until they kick me out. I'm betting sony loses their nerve against the helldivers. Not gonna forfeit my progress until I see the whites of their eyes.

Sony, I wont be buying a playstation anymore

Stolen comment

@@onepunchman4444 samples are shared, oompa loompa, we have the same major order

Why you count playstation players progress who dont care abou this because they already use PSN. 😅

Sony is gonna mess with you

Rather: _...Sony: gimme that! All of it! I like the heat! I feed off of the hatred!_

Arrowhead's CEO admitted he knew this was a requirement but didn't bring it up

​@@lightdarksoul2097Yup, he knew from the start. They made it optional not out of good will or anything, but only because the servers were flooded

The irony of this situation bringing the whole world together as ONE anyway. 🙃

It's almost certainly a numbers thing for shareholders.

Woulda still blown up for the regions that can't get PSN. But it would have been plausible as a necessary step toward fixing the friends list issues.

Someone at AH might lose their job. They said to leave a negative review so they can push back. Going against their publisher and rights owner

No they won't because this has no doubt came down from top positions.

Or at least make it optional to make an account. Maybe even with some weapon skin if you make one.

😂 no they won't. It was sonys idea to do this so no one there is gonna get fired. What a 🤡 take.. 😂

Exactly!

sorry bud but not true even though I don’t agree with Sony, but the reason why they disabled the psn account bs is because of the explosion of players and the huge issue with cross play in the early weeks of helldivers

​​@@shanman3 its not the reason to not block game to nation that didnt support PSN. If Sony didnt have any though to scam player on steam since beginning game early acces then they Will block acces to non supported PSN region.

@@star0794 let’s think logically, you think the greedy corp cares about the game being blocked when on the contrary they are able to obtain higher account activations and tracking? they’ve already hit a goldmine with the game being higher than expectations now they are trying to bite more than they can chew, it would’ve been done earlier if cross play worked properly and didn’t threaten the downfall of the game right outta the gate

@@shanman3 Would it not be easier to have the PSN enabled so as to slow down the influx of players to a much more manageable degree? How does disabling something that is allegedly "required" and "helps make things more secure" do anything to aid with a flood of players when all it's doing is exacerbate the problem by allowing even MORE players to get the game in droves? The argument is counter intuitive no matter what way you slice it. "Yes officer I was having a problem with slowing down my car's speed so I removed the breaks entirely" Uh huh, sure you did. I'm not one to assume malice before incompetence but don't be naive, this is 100% a mix of both of those things.

The main problem I have with it is that Sony is notoriously bad with their security. You link a PSN to your Steam, and now your Steam account is vulnerable.

@@Wolfen5207Pretty much, better safe than sorry for me.

Pfft like gabe cares for the players he cares that he has to give back people's money

More likely they want to limit damage to Steam. I suspect that how the refund system works that Valve has to use it's own money to give refunds to players before it has possibility to get compensated from the publisher especially if the transaction happened days/weeks/months ago. That money has long ago been moved forward to developer/publisher over certain time. So Steam pulled the plug from areas they practically have to give refunds to players no matter what to minimize any new damage.

Like Gabe cares you clown

Oh that was Gabe?

​@@lightdarksoul2097he's a huge gamer himself. He's been an ally for a long time.

So what you're saying is play more Balatro

I never got this one. Overwatch was 20€ before and went completly free. Game is in a better state than overwatch 1 was for years when it comes to hero PICKRATE diversity.

​@@jackreacher6240 cope

​@@jackreacher6240New heroes are made off an AI that checks for diversity traits. They're literally AI generated 😭

@@jackreacher6240 "hero diversity". lmao, part of the problem.

@@jackreacher6240overwatch 2 was a disaster. The worst part is Overwatch 1 was completely erased and is no longer playable

this iz why I prefer physical media

@@something2941 Doesn't work for multiplayer games though unfortunately (AKA overwatch)

Japanese buisness culture is worse than americas

*the rebel path starts playing*

Wanna do a Don't Fear The Reaper? 😀

Dude was right every step of the way

all big publishers nowadays have incompetent and dumb people filling the company. Don't be surprised for the next 10 years.

Hey hey friend. Don't be so glum. That spirit of cooperation is still alive. Look and see how many divers are shouting to not leave their fellows behind. We're all still working for a common goal. If the game does unfortunately falls we'll re-group and find somewhere else to spread democracy. #NoHelldiverLeftBehind

More like Nintendo and that's a hard one

​@horrorfan117 failed to extract .... Helldiver left behind😢

​@@TheMari0123How is this like Nintendo?

Developers aren't stupid they've known how bad can be for years

Good luck suing Sony.

Arrowhead's CEO admitted that he knew this requirement six months before launch so there is no unsurprished attack this was always coming

@@lightdarksoul2097 If that's the case, he's to blame for not enforcing it. We've seen that the game is playable without the linking. If they didn't advertise the game with that, and given that Sony even confirmed on their PlayStation Directive about Helldivers 2 that you DON'T need to create a PSN account to play it, would suggest that it never has been a requirement

@@DracoCordraconis He used the word requirement I don't know what to tell ya

Nope! Arrowhead is legally speaking basically a contractor.

yes and no, arrowhead is the developer Sony is the publisher, any dispute would need to be handled based on the terms in the contract. Sony tends to make their contracts iron clad so that developers have no path for restitution if Sony screws them.

Arrowhead no, but folks in EU can take Sony to court for changing EULA. That one change in EULA can either sink Helldivers completely because of refunds or force Sony to change policy.

@@lordsetarurare The answer is a big no, because the issue here isn't that Sony is the publisher, it's that Sony also OWNS the Helldivers IP. If Helldivers was owned by Arrowhead it would be a very different situation.

Nope, Sony owns the game, devs have 0 say in anything, even stuff like monthly warbonds and superstore items was actually enforced by Sony, if Sony wanted to pull the plug on the game and turn off the servers at this moment, they technically could.

pfft u dreaming -.-'

Sony OWNS Helldivers IP

This is quite literally what the developers need to do. They probably need to get serious legal representation to get out of the contracts that probably signed over the next 5 games in the series to Sony.

Sony owns the ip. They can't even consider making it anywhere else. They were locked in since helldivers one.

​@@Pattern_Noticer best case scenario. The devs get released start work on a "spiritual successor". Sony owns the HD IP. There's no extracting that

that steam review was wild

I still don't understand, why the hell are the Baltic states in that list??

You think a bunch of mad pc babies can harm a big company like sony? LoL

​@@venividivici6738Sony spy detected

We hurt Disney, Marvel, and Bud Lite after they messed with things that aren’t that personally important. You can be ASSURED that we WILL make SONY feel it in both their investments and bottom line for messing with what is arguably the only other great game put out recently aside from ff7 rebirth.

@@venividivici6738 Nah Sony is too big to fall, BUT they had a really good game, potentially game of the year but now it is bombed with negative reviews and refunds plus hopefully lawsuits eg out of latvia.

@@venividivici6738 Considering they said the PSN changes were always intended and still sold Helldivers 2 in countries where PSN isn’t available, there is legitimate solid grounds for a class action lawsuit. So yes, those pc babies DO have what it takes to actually make Sony feel this

Sadly some TOS agreements also include a "we can change the TOS as we like clause". Should that be legal? No. Do companies get away with it all the time, even in court? Absolutely.The gaming industry especially is ripe with this abuse (look at Unity)

It was also there but go off queen

@@BritBox777 They only get away with it legally because they settle out of court. If one of these ever ran full course it could easily and almost certainly result in the "We can change the contract at any time" being ruled as inequitable. Which is why they pay massive sums to settle out of court.

​@@BritBox777just because they put it there doesnt make it legal, the laws for legal contracts are pretty set in stone and cant be overruled by other things

I agree that one party shouldn't be allowed to change an agreement without the consent of the other, and if they change it anyway they would be breaking the contract and should therefore be obligated to refund the product.

The ceo admitted he knew this requirement for months before launch and said he should have said something about it but the game was doing so well. They are to blame too.

So people literally don’t know what is normal anymore.

That perspective is rather depressing, even worse that I believe it to be a plausible plan...

I knew it was strange that this was a week after they bashed Escape from Tarkov for bad business practices.

instead they've pissed off a quarter million people who actively play the game alone... For reference, that's 10% of the population of australia, give or take

@@kaelanirevyruun1676 and also gave a huge warning for future customers to not buy their games, because Sony can just decide to change things on the fly, not giving any efs

Seriously?! Wow.

Puerto Rico is always getting screwed over

Yep i am from Puerto rico and i can confirm that

Damn that's messed up bro

You are a part of US and A when it's convenient for them, not you.

truly an unfortunate situation for pc players and the fact that they have almost no control in their own game is the worst part

I can't speak for everyone but I personally am the proud owner of two tin cans and an unreasonably long string

​@jacklint8187 it's not their game. Sony owns it. They developed it on behalf of Sony using money Sony gave them. Does a contractor own a house that he was paid to build?

@@sirrickardjameses wait, so sony gave theg ame development to a team of 4 people????~!!?!?! the dev has said theres only 4 people that work there

it sounds like the ceo is doing a better job as a community manager than spitz

Some people there still remember that if the players leave, they have to confirm half life 3.

Nope not really this will hit Steam over Sony. Why would a court sue the maker and not the seller for selling it in banned countries

they make up for it in the long run tho atleast they kinda care Sony are just horrid

@@legomenjj quit spamming your garbage nonsense on every comment. sony is the distributor, not steam. steam is just an avenue, much like their own website. there is no doubt a clause in the contract that you sign with steam when you publish a game holding you at fault if you do something like this. sony had the ability to disable the countries from buying the game and they chose not to. steam only did it on their own to protect themselves from any sort of possible negligence.

They rejected my refund 3 times....

I actually wonder if it was Arrowhead so they can point out to Sony just how stupid an idea it was and give them a better bargaining position

​@@cmdr_thruddI think they were encouraging the bad reviews and such with that as a goal

It's Gaben's vote.

​@@sillybugger3641 Oh, Spitz was saying to us to leave bad reviews and refund the game, just in very snarky tone with him pressing the players to do it, while offending them

I would say this is Steam's fault in the first place

you cant pirate online games

Precisely. Back when physical media was a thing, the copyright of music tried to prevent people "lending" their copies to people. I own this, but can't lend it to a mate because they would rather my friend also buy it? LOL. Rebellion > blind acceptance. Digital media is only looked at as bad thing when corporations have to accept making less money than they did with physical products. They don't care about the artists or the consumers.

bruh you can't pirate helldivers

​@whateverr64 who knows someone makes a copy of hd2 which lets you negate the psn account.

​@@BBTfnCLike Aki SP tarkov? Looks cool

Nooo it tells us Valve doesn't read every games page. It was there, Sony was the one that allowed the game to be sold where they shouldn't have. Valve is just mad they have to refund

Well said, I gonna steal this quote. :D

You would be suprised they are the biggest share of the console market and Japanese companies prefer to stick with Japanese companies. So Sony can do whatever they want and their fans will praise them like gods. Heck their are right now asking for Microsoft to drop out of the console business

Sony owns the IP of Helldivers

@@lildevin16consoles can’t die soon enough then.

@@Niterayde I don't see them dying a lot of people just don't care to set up pcs it's annoying

@@lightdarksoul2097 sony as a whole is being dragged down by the retardedness of their US branch.

Part of controlling the media and controlling us.

More like corporate stupidity. If Sony was greedy, they wouldn't block access of PSN in certain countries.

@@Flakjacket96it is greed. The sole reason for the linking to a psn account is to spike sony active user numbers, especially considering pc players have no reason to use psn services

@@Flakjacket96 Are you dumb?? Sony doesn't block PSN in other countries the countries themselves block PSN

Capitalism strikes again

People are in active talks with a law-firm to set up a class action lawsuit.

They really force remove our fellow divers

smell one too, but doubt its going to achieve anything. Not against something like sony.

@@TheLiquidAtom i was thinking the same. Big corps are invincible.

@@thomasov2004 no one is too big to fail

Also, you forget to enable that shit once while playing the game, you're banned.

Not to mention that using one to evade region lock violates TOS and can get you banned...

Mate it bans you for using VPN's doesn't it. It's like against "Sony's" terms of Service to use those things. Also a lot of people tend to forget about that stuff costing money

Not only cost money, but your account will be banned for using a vpn as it breaks their tos. There is a Chinese guy lost his account after it was discovered he was using a vpn to make a psn.

Vpn permaban .

If there is one thing I have learnt from being a part of this community, is that you don't fuck with this community without expecting retaliation

I'm doing my part, but who's they? Arrowhead shitting on the playerbase? Or do you mean Sony?

​@@terrified057t4 it's all Sony

​@@terrified057t4kinda both, especially that one community manager, not doing basic due diligence before being an asshole to the player base

@@karkarplays3798 Human error on Spitz, not much of an asshole move for him. But casting Arrowhead into hellfire because of one community manager? lol

u is an honorable helldiver so did i ... i like u

Honorable? Thats just plain stupid lmao your not even hurting sony that way

@@sammymilanovic9124 right, so they will conjure the money to refund from the air?

@@sammymilanovic9124 oh yea. When the review got bad and slowly people are just leaving the game, how're you going to complete the major orders like we used to. The bugs and crashes issues didn't get fix, there's no transparency and I doubt the accuracy of the armors and weapons too, at times with stealth nerf or changes for repeatedly 1-2 months now. Carry on soldier, I'm the stupid one, for sure.

@@AMQWERTY379 you mean pocketchaince? .its a bilion dollar company the only ones that are gonna hurt is arrowhead studios

Dead game only 150k people playing RIP

@@sethweddle5160Unfortunately, the game has always had around 90-150k people playing during peak day hours. The ammount of people not playing has only reduced by a fraction

I feel the same way. I don’t get invested in games like i did as a kid anymore. This game gave me that feeling again, the community was fantastic, the developers actually put effort into making a good game. And now I’ve lost all faith in finding something to replicate that feeling i had as a kid again

Feels man. This is one of the first few games thats made me feel like a kid again. The last one for me was Garden Warfare 2 and Sony is stripping that away.

I second that, it felt like hype I never really experienced before (I was always late to arrive when games exploded), and I am in my 30s too. It felt awesome, seeing the game progressing and players actually making the game great. Farewell, we will remember you HD2

Womp womp

I feel you man. I work 40 hours every week but I still would put hours into this game every day after work, and for what? Now all my grinding was for nothing. Thanks again corporate greed

Oh man, I do hope, that at least this time, we ALL agree to send the same message: "don't F with us like that"

We dive together or not at all!

We dive together or...oh, a 🦋!

Our Helldiver is using his 2.4 seconds to admire the scenery, remember, a happy Helldiver, is a deadly Helldiver, also, We dive together or not at all!

No I’m still playing. Sorry dude

Had we not pushed for it, Sony would have happily kept our money and locked us from the game.

Problem is that you guys keep thinking that you are making Sony suffer while in reality you are taking that money straight from Arrowhead. Sony won't care. They have been a shitty company for years and that won't change them ​@@Technoanima

Ukraine - denies refunds. Some people can create account without PS console, some cannot. Unclear situation, feel betrayed by lack of PSN reminder.

Does the refund work after 100hrs in playing the game? Or we have to come up with a masterclass level of essay for steam to actually accept the refund request?

my refund was denied but im spam trying until they give me one.

For Managed Democracy! We dive together, or not at all!

We Dive Together or Not At All !!!

We dive together or not at all!

I was past the two hour limit and got a refund. Go ahead and request it and state the reason is because of this Sony BS. Steam is just trying to wash their hands of this mess now.

Yeah, I live in a region where you can not even get your money back, because the game was restributed by Steam gifts. I hope there will not be any autorefunding.

Not good

SONY is too big to fail because it's a consumer electronics conglomerate that makes many different kinds of products. Seriously, think of an electronic device, and Sony probably makes it. PLAYSTATION, on the other hand, could potentially suffer just like Disney has been, causing the higher levels of Sony to do something.

I'm really not sure what you mean here. Does Disney put out only pretty much dogshit content these days? Yes, clearly. But they don't give one wet fart how much you like it or not, they only care if they're making money. And they are. Clearly someone crunched the numbers at Sony, and they believe that the number of people that they will lose based on country will be insignificant (which I'm sure is actually true, the vast vast vast majority of players are already in countries where they can make PSN accounts) and they think that the increase in new PSN accounts this change will bring in will mean enough new PSN accounts to convince their shareholders that they are growing more than they actually are so they can make a few more bucks (also, they want to harvest everyone's data, but that is a given for every corporation these days). They do not care for a single second about Steam reviews, because they aren't Steam. And they don't care if some studio they bought a controlling interest in dies, it's already made them more than enough for what they invested, and now they think it can be used to artifically boost their numbers so that's what they're going to do. Don't misunderstand me for a single second, I think this is a completely stupid idea that will backfire and could even kill the game, but that will have absolutely no impact on Sony as a corporation. They ARE too big to fail, at least in this situation. Just like Disney could put out a hundred more crap Star Wars movies and still make enough money each year to solve world hunger and cure cancer. They don't care how much you enjoy the crap sandwich they keep serving, because we all keep buying it anyway, that's the point. And at the end of the day, Sony already has your money, so you can go and get forked. Fork yourself right in the forking face. That's how Sony (and every other corporation, for that matter) feels about you, without a doubt. In other words, the Automatons won, babe.

it is not about money anymore is psychological warfare and we loose big times ...

Disney hasn't failed yet, don't know what you're talking about.

They can see it, they just don't care because numbers go up so stonkholders happy. That's how public companies work nowadays, sacrificing reputation and long term profits just to pump numbers up in short term so the whiny stonkholders don't shit themselves and throw temper tantrums.

I don't think this is profit margin and shareholders alone. There is somewhere a Manager at Sony which wanted his next promotion, the easiest way to do it: Get 1 Million more Players with 150k Players daily in. He had a genius Idea. The Shareholders will be thrilled and.. he didn't see the Shitstorm comming. Legaly it is correct ethicaly he treaded on a mine, a nuclear mine meant to stop entire Russian Battalions.

Seems to be the case. If they continued to allow people to buy a product they would not be able to actually use then they opened themselves to a whole slew of issues. They are already dealing with the fact that people who bought a product will be barred from using it in a month’s time. Not a great image either. Steam/valve has been on pretty shaky grounds recently with scam games (like the scams who made you believe you bought a discounted version of HD2), corporations doing what sony is doing (as in being absolutely terrible) and generally the rampant lack of any standards for current EA releases (plagued with brain-rotted EA white knights). They don’t need more on their plate, so it only makes sense.

@@GravitasZero Also, Steam refunds their own money and just dont pay out the next sold version to Sony. Considering there is more people who bought then people who are buying rn. They did this to protect themselves. And on top of that, they most likely already paid out Sony for the month of April .

Its Steam's issue in the first place. Did Sony tell Steam to sell there? Did Steam think of not selling somewhere where said 3rd party software wasn't allowed. How about actually looking at the whole picture and stop just bandwagon hate.

​@@legomenjjyou realize in your infinite wisdom it's on devs and publishers to set things like discounts, regional pricing, and inevitably where the game can be sold. Steam can act AFTER that decision, but when you put your game up, that shit is ALL on you.

@@legomenjj until a few day ago even on the playstation website it was stated that psn account linking was optional for pc player and i'm sure sony had tell steam the same.... stop to believe that sony is not the one behind this....

i try 4 times no succes ... i will not stop try yes

So all is good? Just don't make a psn account? Was worried a bit

​@@WoodenChurch_041until June 1. Then you won't be able to play

@@SilverKnightPCs oooof, well better get go get a refund eh? Hmm why june 1st?

I'M HEAVILY CONSIDERING IT I'm concerned that if I refund the game I will lose all my progress in the unlikely event they revert the changes and I buy the game agian would I have to start from level 1 agian cause in the case I won't bother picking up the game. So do you know if I retain Progression and achievements if I were to refund but later on buy the game if Sony were to walk it back?

question, is the data saved after refund in cloud? So people that refund, and gonna purchase it again years later not gonna start from 0?

@@Morfik45 I completely uninstalled Cyberpunk, reinstalled it a few days later, and my Steam cloud saves were still good. Don't know if that answers your question.

From the posts of the CEO it doesn't seem like Arrowhead is going to do shit at all. He makes it seem like these changes are not going away and his next step is just to wait it out until people get over it.

​@@Morfik45 possibly.

Yep. I guarantee that on June 1, “IT” will infect the game as well.

No, this is just greed, not an agenda being pushed.

​@corvega_joe You sound like a weirdo incel right now. There's nothing wrong with celebrating Pride month.

"We have to force behaviors" --Larry Fink CEO of Blackcock

​@@corvega_joejust a rainbow-patterned cape wouldnt be too bad

This is punishment for helldivers not bending to the rainbowtards and blackrock

Bro I was going to actually buy a ps5 for this game but not anymore! Screw Sony.

Until they release a Remaster to TLOU2 Remaster and ppl suck Sony's dick because there is lesbian and trans sex scenes in their zombie game

Sony is building generation dislike. That's a cultural asset they seem completely unaware of as a megacorp. Short term thinkers in a temporary environment. Sad for everyone involved, but especially the out of touch execs. They're probably permanently lost

Same move Microsoft did to Halo PC players. Make it Xbox exclusive.

@@Technoanima the only difference is that Microsoft account is available to be created worldwide unlike PSN

@@Technoanima Not even close to what MS is doing. MS actually got their shit together and is available worldwide. PSN is not. And PSN is very hackable.

Dying.

wtf did Arrowhead do to be exact. No one's surprised about Sony doing what Sony always been doing. Even Arrowhead knew about the PSN requirements from the beginning, but they sign the deal anyway.

Honestly, how they already had it probably got them plenty of steam accounts. When i bought the game around a month ago i woulda sworn that i was forced to link a PSN account, I saw no skip button, so i did

But if it’s Sony that means they don’t give a fuck about those regions

@@dylandang7365 I don't think Sony gives a fuck about them regardless of who did it lmao, especially when they're telling people from certain regions they can only make a PSN account by buying a PS5 and making it on that.

Suspect its Steam since they are legally potentially liable for False advertising and it might go into a lawsuit over European or Australian consumer protection laws

I'm assuming Valve is doing it and issuing refunds because it probably is illegal in so many places to sell a product, then ban access to it later.

@@hujron They might suffer but remember they are a Platform. They 100% goin to have same route as google etc. The one who loss is actually Sony, because Steam realize these Corp tryin to pull a stunt. While Steam/Valve goin to pay some things, its better sooner than later yet community people still support them. Sony ? Nah i dont think so, thats why Ubisoft/Sony etc want to capitalize older game since they know they getting soo dry for the moment.

Imagine thinking Monaco and Vatican are 3rd world countires

bro all latin america can play!!!

150k diving late Friday night after this news , I doubt it’s dead , new war bond soon too. Funny how these creators are slamming this studio / situation / Sony when they are trying to build followings off the game 😂😂😂😂 you’d think content creators would try to smooth this out because if he’ll divers does die your channel is now irrelevant again . 😂 never knew who this guy was until hell divers came out and if helldivers goes away , this dudes channel will be dead.

@@Bigbadwolfanderson The requirement hasn't been implemented yet. It's still a really good game and players that are going to be kicked out are probably trying to enjoy the time they have left with it. Compare the numbers after the requirement has been implemented to see what the real cost of all this will be.

​@@duskblade1119just a few more hours. And the game is dead.

not dead but on life support if Sony doesn't there act together and fire idiots who thought forcing PSN was a good idea and come out and say "sorry about that PSN was dumb have fun helldiving."

​@@Bigbadwolfanderson This game will go rock bottom, if not die, once the requirement goes online.

I mean, there's an easy work around there with regards to the ToS. Færøerne is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. So they could just use Denmark for country even if they aren't in the country, because they are still Danish citizens.

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