So soll es immer sein! Allerdings sollte einem schon bewußt sein, was einen erwartet, wenn Stelvio oder Gavia im Roadbook stehen! Da braucht man mit fahrenden Einbauküchen oder Aufsitztraktoren nicht antreten - es sei denn man kennst sein Gerät in jeder Lebenslage genau! Zum Posen oder für die persönliche Bucketlist sind diese beiden Pässe absolut ungeeignet!
Great video. It can happen to the best of us, Myself included. I was more embarrassed than hurt,and this was in England not those super hairpin bends of the Stelvio and others. Best wished to all who helped.
@@bmw-sepp8722 Try Gavia and you'll love Stelvio. I did both crashless with my old ZXR750, but I will never forget. Perhaps now I'm too old to do it again...
Indeed. Stelvio is raved about quite a lot and it does deserve the reputation. But it is rarely mentioned how tight and funky angled these tight hairpins can be. Especially if there is traffic. It's not for the inexperienced. Starting off with some other passes and practicing by taking the tightest lines through those should make one better prepared. Those who routinely cut corners, always use both lanes when starting and finishing can be taken by surprise here. And this can still happen with experienced riders, too.
There will always be idiots/imbeciles that have to be a wise ass and disrespect those who fall. I bet those who claim why people buy to big a bike, or only ride on weekends, have never made the Stelvio or anything farther then 100km from their home. I made the Stelvio, did not drop the bike there, but days before in Germany let it fall 3 times in one day! Who has never dropped the bike, has never made a big journey!
That's the right comment. Can happen to anybody. I'm a rather skilled rider. I climbed so many passes all over Europe that I lost counting. Never dropped my bike. Got myself a BMW K1600 GTL in 2015, you can't get much heavier than that. Never had an issue on mountain roads, even tricky ones, but dropped the bike 3 times on idle. Shit happens, it's as simple as that. Taking bends on mountain roads is basically a question of confidence. The slightest hesitation and you're done...
Everyone who laughs or makes fun of here isn´t a real biker. The guys who stopped and helped are real Bikers! Don´t drive faster than your Guardian Angel can fly.
@@Klappstuhlmaster everyone can make mistakes. Those corners are tight if you're not used to them. Take them to sharp and slow with that much weight and you can easily stall and drop the bike.
Just a question of practice I traveled this year the first time through the alps with my street triple r + 2 side bags, tank bag & girlfriend and had 0 drops because I watched RU-vid videos before how to drive these tight corners. Btw. 2. Year of motorcycling
Tristezza assoluta leggere commenti di centauri che scrivono frasi poco corrette tipo " state a casa" comprate moto a 3 ruote" compratevi una bicicletta" Vi ricordo che può capitare a tutti di cadere e vi auguro sia così senza nessun danno fisico, lo stelvio l'ho fatto parecchie volte purtroppo ci sono persone soprattutto se si viaggia carichi e in 2 che nei tornanti stretti "sbagliano" ma chi non ha sbagliato anche solo una volta. Poi ricoche essere centauri vuol dire far parte di una grande famiglia.
certo, come se la bici fosse più facile. in montagna con quelle pendenze, tanti km e tante curve, e soprattutto posizione per nulla comodo e copertoni stretti, è altrettanto probabile cadere. comunque nel 2° caso il tipo è caduto perché con quel peso non puoi piegare senza sbilanciarti. viaggiando così, io non farei mai tutti quei tornanti!
It's easy to do I've done it a couple of times two up on a fully loaded Ducati Multistrada. I'm only 5'9" and just kept it as smooth as possible and no way did I want to have to stop on any of the hairpins. Best advice be smooth be alert and never do it at the end of a long day in the saddle. It's iconic but not that nice to ride.
Probably because they temporarily lost their mind a little bit That tend to happen after someone dropped the bike They became too nervous and forgot about what they should do
wtf is this?? in my country,when u r taking the exam to getting the license,you have to do a "slow-course"-manuvering the bike at walkingspeed thru some cones and then make a sharp 180-turna,dn the back again thru the cones-all in walkingspeed,if u put your foot down-u fail...theese people need to train on somethins similar,because that's what obviously happens..they cant manuver at slow speed..clutch,handbrake and throttle-and a good balance,something all bikers shoud learn
Happened to me with my Africa Twin bang in the middle of a very busy set of traffic lights in Central London. Another Africa Twin rider parked next time and helped me lifting the beast to show everyone that I was in need. I promised myself 'never again'...until it does🤣
Sullo stelvio ( da automobilista ) mi è capitato di aiutare motociclisti a terra.. quindi per me in strada ci si aiuta .. un appello ai bikers : in montagna moderate la velocità .. l' automobilista rischia talvolta che da una curva esca un proiettile e purtroppo l' auto ha dimensioni doppie di una moto .. diventano un rischio qualsiasi sorpasso..
All the gear, no idea....too much weight on the bikes, too little skill in the riders. Cannot understand why people ride these passes with bikes laden like a pack-horse if they haven't mastered riding the bike loaded up like that. Or a bike totally unsuited to those steep hairpin bends.
che imbarazzo le puttanate che scrivono certi miei compatrioti, sti tizi in GS fanno più km in moto in un solo weekend trip di quanti voi ne facciate in un anno, sempre che abbiate la moto, ne dubito, tornate ai vostri 50cc
The problem with these ADV bikes is they are also very high. When they are loaded like that, they get also quite another behaviour. I would never buy one of these. If you cannot stand up your bike alone, you have to get a lighter bike. My bike weights 370 kg and I weight only 75 kg. I can pick it up alone. Everybody can do that, but it needs some training.
@@y4nnickschmitt Facts are neither positive nor negative. They just are. If you can't keep the bike upright on a paved road, it's not the right bike for you or you simply don't possess the skills to ride it and riding offroad is even harder. These people are simply in over their heads.
@@raceboy1971 yeah Wannabe is the most factual word one can use. And who said that they were going to go off the road. And everybody makes a mistake ones in a while you know.
Happens to all of us - unless the bike is parked in the garage all the time! And do not forget, fellas, .... take your time, catch your breath and first THINK about what and how to do next, before you try and get the bike up again in a hurry. Don´t be embarrassed - THINK! Otherwise the next mishap wll happen right away. Be save, everybody!
The hairpin angles are much tighter on the Stelvio than Austrian, French, German and Swiss mountain passes. God help those riders, during the day on the hairpins(45+) you have to battle with cyclists, camper vans and coaches. Viewers may disagree but I think the Stelvio is over rated, do it once and that’s it, plenty of other less travelled passes to enjoy. If you want to ride the Stelvio, either very early morning or late evening, avoiding most of the tourist traffic. Just us mad motorcyclists at unearthly hours, good to see the camaraderie in the unfortunate circumstances.
Jean Jacques finally a person knows what he is talking about. I thought i post my video for people to watch and maybe enjoy or learn. Now I’m not sure if its woth the hassles:)
690 adv Keep up the good work with the videos, if you receive abusive comments block them, ultimately turn off comments. It’s very disappointing to hear of your negative experiences, it’s an awful lot of work to produce these videos for sharing your love of motorcycling. Don’t let the buggers get you down.
Sono sullo Stelvio minimo 2 volte l'anno...e vedo troppi Motociclisti inesperti con moto(alla moda) pesanti. Cmq non è mai bello vedere una moto a terra.
Sono allo Stelvio ogni giorno per 4 mesi all'anno da 5 anni e ti assicuro che ho visto a terra ogni genere di moto, dallo scooter alla sportiva, dal custom all'enduro. Il vero problema è che si vede un motociclista su 20 fermarsi ed aiutare, in pochi hanno voglia di "sacrificare" un minuto della propria vacanza per aiutare gli altri. La razza dei motociclisti è ormai estinta, sono tutti possessori di moto.
Drove the Stelvio twice, once alone, second time with a passenger. On a really heavy bike at that (BMW K1600GTL). Had no issues honestly, although the weather was really bad the first time (it was kinda snowing), but I have to admit it's a tricky place, even with considerable experience. The ramps are pretty harsh and the road in the corners is in a very poor condition at times. But hey, that pass is a legend, it should be on every rider's bucket list. 🙂
Drove the Stelvio many times...allways with passenger and travelling luggage. It is no surprise, the net is full of crashes, fails and falls at the stelvio. Use your brains, practice, take a safety course, take a green pea between your teeth. If you can drive for 10 minutes without crushing it... you have passed. Try it...take care.
I still don't understand why travel with so much cargo, with motorcycles that are already overweight, all of this makes no sense. It's a good joke to be adventurous and go shopping at the local supermarket. 😂😂😂😂
@ekim andersom It wasn't a sentence it was a statement it didn't contain verbs, comers can be hard to place correctly in the English language even for professionals if the field, has time as passed and we all get used to text messages and abbreviations the written English as changed to a later form, that's why sometimes we just produce lists not proper sentences, end result is usually the same, I stand by by statement if you have dinky little legs keep off the pass. All the best stay safe in these dark times.
I am 33 years old, and next year I want to buy a bike and work two jobs for it. And when I see something like this, I am even more unto it! It is so lovely to see you help them.
I'm amazed that not one of these guys knows how to lift a bike off it's side. You back into it, grab on to something that won't break, and use your legs not your back to lift. I'm 68 years old, 160 pounds, 5'6" and I can lift my 900 pound Victory off it's side by myself. Get it up to first base where you can push back with your thighs, take a breather and then lift to the top.
Stelvio is a great riding school... up and down... thousand times... with every weather...and you could drive everywhere... try also Gavia...or Vivione... much worst turns...haha
I know its personal choice, but i would hate to be mauling one of those massive bikes around on roads like that (i've got short legs)! That second guy should just buy a small car!
By the way, how can you fall over with your bike on the downhill bend. That is incompetence at the highest level. Ok, BMW driver, no surprise. And a woman who is afraid. Cliché fulfilled … 🙄
With my BMW K1600 GTL, I would have to lift quite a few stones in the gym to get that far. :-D Mind you, I climbed that side of the Stelvio with that bike in freezing cold weather and rain almost transforming into snow, I have to admit I was lucky to reach the top without any scratches. The bends are not only tight, they are also very steep in the Stelvio (if you stall, you're dead, with any bike frankly). And the trafic, even in bad weather, is always mind-blowing. I did it once for the record, but didn't particularly enjoy it... not because of the weather in my case, but due to the trafic. There's always something or someone getting stuck along the pass, so damn annoying. The "Route des Grandes Alpes" is so more fun...
@@guitounours I just recently rode the Stelvio with a friend of mine and it was beautiful. There was very little traffic (well maybe because of corona).
It's a bit more nuanced than that. The first bike wasn't all that heavy, but the angle made it hard. The second bike was heavy, but if they hadn't helped him he would have taken off his cases and sorted it out himself. Exhaustion also matters a lot, I don't know what state the riders were in. Neither of these people were in big trouble, this was just a much faster and nicer solution.
That why I'd not buy a GS 1200, too heavy, "- Light is better" for long travels. And I prefer to use soft gears. I've a BMW R 1200 R Classic, perfect for sinuous roads, highways but for a very long and exotic travels, I would try to have a mono 650cc, preferably with a minimum electronics. I like the AJP 650, the KTM adv LC 640 x and yours of course :-)
🤦🤦🤦🤦ma percheeeee .comprate delle moto che sono larghe come un muletto poi volete fare dalle strade che non sono consone alla mole .sono moto che vanno bene solo in autostradaaaaaaaaa
Great! Shit Happens ... but why that much luggage on the second bike?? Common sense tells you sth else. Just take a car if you need that much for travelling... a convertible ... and you don’t even need a helmet 🙄 stay safe and sound
Anyone who truly finds them "a nightmare" should not be riding them. As |I see it, the skill level of the first rider has to be questioned, and the second rider thinks riding a bike laden like a pack-horse is a wise thing to do on hairpin bends that are on 45 degree slopes. All the gear, no idea...
You cannot travel safely with a 250 kg dry motorcycle plus bags, accessories and luggage. At the first corner taken at low speed you lie down on the ground unless there is thor the Viking god driving it.
I am also a biker and i ask me : where the hell should the fun be to drive on a pass road and such one like the Stelvio ??!! Did we have not enough oder roads ?!?
Per la mia esperienza lo Stelvio ha tornanti stretti ,bellissimo posto ma la strada é una delle più brutte tra tutti i passi che ho fatto (qst anno fatto con AfricaTwin 2018)
A esos bikers solo les falta llevar al perico y al perro , es malo ser tan consumista y comprar todos los tipos de maletas existentes pero que en el. Amino son estorbo
