Hendrick WON'T Appeal?? | JGR Engineer Allegedly Sold Private Data to Rival Team 

Its gotta be unsecured ballast. They didnt want key members suspended the next four races when they are barely in the top 10 for owners championship

My thought is they didn’t appeal because it would require additional scrutiny that wasn’t worth being exposed

kyle busch fr running back those JGR connections to bring RCR out of mid territory

RCR's turnaround in performance from the Olympic break could be the smoking gun in this scandal

We’re getting spygate in nascar now!

Everyone thought Bowman was going to let down Hendrick. In the end, Hendrick let down Bowman.

No appeal doesn’t shock me, hendrick doesn’t want anymore scrutiny on that car, Blake Harris is an innovator, doesn’t want his innovations known. Love the channel Eric.

The way the press release reads to me is that HMS realized they played too close to the buffer and/or truly just messed up in regards to the amount of weight in the car. The other view could be that HMS knows whatever argument they had would have nowhere near the weight it would need to overturn it

NASCAR said "we ok'd #5 after that Indycar fiasco... don't even start about #48 now"... And Handrick said "got it"...😂😂😂

I spoke with a director of competition who i know personally. They said that if allowed 17lb leeway they will use 16lbs of that for competitive advantage. The cars burn oil, lose percentage of break pads etc which makes the car lighter. When you add on top of that the rub blocks under the car being broken off or severely damaged, the car ultimately wont meet minimum weight.

Cup Series Points Standings (Full season points)(Current points system) 1. Kyle Larson 1048 2. Chase Elliott 1023 3. Tyler Reddick 999 4. Christopher Bell 994 5. William Byron 966 6. Ryan Blaney 937 7. Denny Hamlin 916 8. Alex Bowman 856 9. Brad Keselowski 855 10. Ty Gibbs 848 11. Martin Truex Jr. 838 12. Chris Buescher 830 13. Bubba Wallace 824 14. Ross Chastain 821 15. Joey Logano 784 16. Kyle Busch 711 17. Chase Briscoe 676 17. Austin Cindric 676 19. Daniel Suarez 667 20. Carson Hocevar 604 21. Todd Gilliland 579 22. Michael McDowell 574 23. Ricky Stenhouse Jr 543 24. Noah Gragson 522 25. Ryan Preece 507 26. Josh Berry 506 27. Austin Dillon 483 28. Zane Smith 460 29. Justin Haley 459 30. Corey LaJoie 457 31. Erik Jones 456 32. Daniel Hemric 455 33. John Hunter Nemechek 395 34. Harrison Burton 382 35. Aj Allmendinger 259 36. Kaz Grala 188 37. Shane Van Gisbergen 172 38. Cody Ware 130 39. Ty Dillon 92 40. BJ McLeod 65 41. Anthony Alfredo 54 42. Joey Hand 43 43. Jimmie Johnson 40 44. Corey Heim 35 45.Parker Retzlaff 32 45. Derek Kraus 32 47. JJ Yeley 31 48. Justin Allgaier 24 49. Austin Hill 23 50. Riley Herbst 20 50. Josh Bilicki 20 52. David Ragan 17 52. Joey Gase 17 54. Josh Williams 11 55. Kamui Kobayashi 8 56. Will Brown 6 57. Juan Pablo Montoya 5 58. Timmy Hill 3 59. Cam Waters 2 60. David Starr 1 60. Chad Finchum 1

My idea is that the tolerance is 17lbs, so every team is 16lbs underweight. So they didnt have to lose 17lbs, they had to lose 2.

in Formula One, they have a similar minimum weight requirement. But after a race, you will notice that the cars will run through the marbles and pick up as much as they can on their tires before they get in the pits and get on the scales. Maybe these team should think about doing something similar if they’re going to cut it that close.

48 fans as disappointing as this is there’s still reason to be happy with the season. Got back to victory lane, had a damn good playoff run, plus Alex is healthy and confident behind the wheel again!

F1 did that to George Russell earlier this year, they weigh immediately after the race.

NASCAR gave them every opportunity to remedy the problem at inspection, and they have no new evidence to present. Why waist our time? I applaud them for the decision.

George Russell won a f1 race earlier this year and inspection found his car was too light and his win was taken away and he got dq'd. Weight is black and white in all the top series.

The fact that RCR all of a sudden got speed is really really suspicious

10:31 whatever team got that info didn’t steal it the JGR employee did.

Poor Bowman can't catch a break. It stings to see him get eliminated by something completely out of his control. The worst part is many will call for him to get dumped out of the 48 again ugh.

I think its Rcr cause they are the only big team thats desperate enough to be faster week in and week out on race day

I guess the 48 just can’t have nice things at the Roval but I’m not surprised HMS didn’t appeal

Joe Gibbs Racing car setup leaks before gta 6 💀

Is it possible that the change in RCR leadership had something to do with this scandal? 🤔

Maybe that's why Dave Elenz was let go from LMC

I’m a bowman fan I knew if they hadn’t appealed by 5:00 that they knew they screwed up

Making weight is one of top issues in every type of racing, my kid gets weighed after every session racing karts. I don’t understand why this is a big deal. There is literally no grey area.

F1 race teams often require engineers to sit out a year before they can work for another race team. I wonder if we''ll see this happen in Nascar. It's become a trend in a lot of motorsport series.

Regarding stolen setups If the industry knows who it is, my guess is the guilty party has already been fired. The question is whose car chief or crew chief has been fired in recent months? That would be a smoking gun

Never seen a bigger admission of guilt. They didn't appeal because they didn't want nascar to see all the other ways they were cheating upon a thorough investigation

Why would Chevy want Toyotas set up info? My guess is it's LMC.

This might make me sound like a conspiracy theorist but it's just my personal opinion. I honestly think they would've appealed if it was any of the other three who got DQ'd. I feel like because it was Bowman, and no disrespect to him, he was always the least likely of the four Hendrick drivers to win the title, they chose to just avoid the stress of an appeal and accepted the L knowing they still have three more bullets in the chamber, whereas it would’ve been more disastrous if it was someone like Larson who got DQ'd seeing as he's the man to beat right now.

The way things have been going in nascar nothing would surprise me.

1: I think that RCR stole because they got upset 2: or they forced the engineer then the engineer sated no but bribed the engineer and forced him but RCR was secretly a Hendrick Motorsports employee

Does Bowman lose his stage win? Do points realign for stages? Or did nobody win that stage?

Andy Petree is gone from RCR. That’s why they are running better.

An earlier "OotG" video shows a NASCAR inspector explaining the weigh in procedure. They allowed the team to refill the tank. I don't know how much fuel was in the car initially, but gasoline weighs about 6#/gal. So 20gal x 6# = 120# and they were still under weight. They're given a cushion for wear & tear. As a former race team co-owner, we always had to add weight to the car, ballast, to meet minimum. As Hamlin mentioned, you add it to where it does the most good for handling and you use a little as possible. Losing ballast during a race is a major penalty. I agree with others that Hendrick just didn't want to further expose any other problems by trying to explain why the car passed all pre-race weigh ins, but failed post-race with a full fuel tank. That said, Bowman had absolutely nothing to do with it.

This gives my Spygate vibes from the 2007 F1 Season.

Every 4-car team can afford to sacrifice it's weakest performer to gain valuable real-time, on track, under-race-conditions testing data/info. Thats nothing new. However, in this case, video does show a mass flying into the air off Bowman's car when he jumped the turtle. If that was ballast, depending on the type of metal, it could have been the difference in weight. The ballast coming off is one type of penalty. The car being underweight is a different penalty.

Great vid Eric . Im sure Hendrick knows info we don't on what showed up or didn't show up on the 48 after nascar got into their shop . Like for instance , was all the ballast still there . If some were missing I'm sure they would appeal for a lesser penalty .

I think Hamlin undersold the importance of weight. Less weight means you accelerate faster, brake faster, change direction faster, have less tire wear and use less fuel. Even if a weight disparity equated to a 0.1% advantage in all those sections. Add them all up together and you're looking at single digit performance improvement in a world where everyone has the exact same car. That's a HUGE advantage and I don't blame the 48 for pushing the envelope. Go to any racing series, even go-karts and you will see teams shaving tenths of pounds off their cars to get as light as possible.

I remember that KB also said Chevy gave everyone a setup they thought would work well at Richmond.. but that the #3 team had a different idea and went with that. I can’t remember what race but was a pre race interview.

If the weight came off and is on video during an incident dont see the penalty what about the rest of the field involved in incidents and post inspection weights Nascar needs more detail explanation Im not buying it.

So Hendrick does the stand up thing and takes responsibility, yet you are upset that they’re not lying , making fake excuses, and fighting it??? Classy.

If Joey wins the championship all the Chevy and Toyota boys will lose their Sh!t ! 🏁

Not surprised, we all know the other team is RCR don’t we?

As an Alex Bowman fan I am big sad 😢

The penalties for losing ballast are much more than a 38th place finish. By not appealing the issue is over. If they appeal then that opens up the whole can of worms.

Nascar is sports entertainment. For years its been clear that nascar officials determine the outcomes of races and championships with selective enforcement of cautions, penalties, violations etc. I’ll admit it is entertaining and I do watch regularly. However I view it the same way I’d watch a dramatic tv series. Meaning I dont get upset or emotionally invested at the outcome because its not real and not genuine. 🤷‍♂️

I think Hendrick see Bowmans 48 as a more experimental car. Bowman is definitely the #4 driver in that team.

My guess is he lost some ballast, had it ended up on the track it would be a monetary fine, it may still be.

Conspiracy with NASCAR, why not appeal it makes no sense. I feel NASCAR didn’t want all 4 Hendricks drivers in the final 4.

i saw one place already that pointed at RCR.

F1 knows exactly what time penalty every added kilo equates to

Who were the posters that stated his jump was like 4' high.? Looked like a foot or so to me. Big difference.

As a Kyle Busch fan i applaud what they have done to help their teams, but what you referenced is Very interesting.

Lighter cars are faster, so if the minimum weight is 3200lbs, you make it weigh 3200lbs not 3201lbs. F1 and IMSA cars run so tight to the minimum weight they won’t do burnouts when they win. They’ll actually drive through the marbles and pick up as much crap as they can get to stick to the hot tires. George Russel got his win at Spa taken away because the FIA did a shortened cool down lap and he didn’t get enough crap stuck to the tires. I do agree with you tho, it’s very easily to avoid it, I’m sure nascar gives some leeway. Not hard to err on the side of caution and try to play within the upper range of said leeway. Sucks for bowman. As a lifelong Jimmie Johnson fan, I’ve always been a HMS fan, I was pretty stoked to see 50% of the final 8 be HMS cars.

Depressing news 😔 being a Bowman fan has been such pain. With all the shit Bowman's been through the past few seasons, he doesn't deserve this.

Bowman hit them when you got bum stops. There’s a video it’s showing the weight coming out of the vehicle on the left side. Somebody has it on their RU-vid last night.

You should do a investigation video to try to find out who did the scandal lol Also why would RCR (a Chevrolet team) get information from JGR (a Toyota team) idk, not trying to be biased cuz I’m a RCR fan but just saying it could be legacy motor club because they are also a Toyota team

Totally sucks about the 48. If you don't mean point fingers, then why do it? How is something stolen when it's paid for?

I'm not sure if this is even an advantage type deal. I think its more of a checkpoint they missed (unsecured ballast maybe) in the big list of things they have to do to keep the car legal. You can't really spoof the weight thing nowadays, I think it is just a fuck up from hendrick and the 48 team. They know how to weight the car properly for each track, its hendrick, so I believe the mistake.

4:30 simple answer to this. The lighter the car the faster you go. This is all forms of racing. It’s all about being as close to minimum weight as possible.

Unfortunate for Alex. They probably just don’t want to waste the money knowing they’ll lose. Interesting what it did for the points, doesn’t matter tho Kyle will most likely win the cup this year.

It's hard to believe anyone would put their own team in a position of liability by having, and worse, paying for a competitors intel. The financial penalty **could** be catastrophic at a minimum and catastrophic from other penalties as well. In other sports that engineer would be persona non grata.

Ahhhh, the gray areas are so important.all teams cheat,the highly funded teams do it even more. None of this is surprising

The rule says all advancing playoff cars get inspected. Now the question is, was the 22 inspected? Seems kinda unfair to kick out the 48 for failing inspection and letting in a car that wasn’t inspected

Blake Harris also had a big penalty when he was with McDowell if I remember right

I really feel for Alex Bowman. Because we all know if it were Larson or Elliott in the same situation, Hendrick would’ve appealed before we even knew there was a penalty.

So if RCR bought the info wouldn’t he have given it to KYLE? Unless he knew Kyle wouldn’t want that kind of advantage,

I also think it could be Spire. Zane Smith was 33rd before the Olympic break and was -46 from the next guy. Now, he's climbed all the way to what would be 28th. Before the Olympic break Carson Hocevar was 24th and only had 2 top tens. After, he has a top five and 3 more top tens now in what would be 20th place. The car you could argue against though is the 7 because there's really been no improvement until Justin Haley got in the car

This year is likely going to be one of, if not the most controversial season in NASCAR history. The off-track storyline are insane.

With Joey being in that’s going to be trouble for the competition

HMS, they would have to prove that the scale was wrong. RCR.... Richard doing something like that........ I would be shocked...... but not surprised lol

I’m gutted about the Alex Bowman penalty. Super unfortunate guy can’t catch a break. Finally racing well and then gets his playoffs ended by a penalty. Just can’t have that happen super frustrating as a bowman fan. I’d be pissed if I was him. How do you go to work then next day and be positive and also knowing all of your teammates get to continue to race for a Championship while you get to just try and race for wins

I think Bowman's stay at Hendrik is short. I think he got sabotaged by his owner/management.

Bruh Bowman has had shit luck for years, I thought it was turning around man, is this how kfb fans feel?

Don’t rule out Legacy. They have the most to gain by stealing JGR setup data.

I'm a 22 fan, but man what a bummer for the 48, that's a rough pill to swallow..

When I raced my local short track, the top guys always told me, it’s not cheating unless you get caught. I think this applies to both stories

I would definitely would not be surprised if it was RCR Kyle knows a lot of those guys over there at JGR and they just started getting desperate to get that win

Just when I thought this season couldn’t get more spicy, A Scandal of secret information! This is like that one F1 Scandal! Wow, this is almost playing out like a movie script

Does this mean if Austin Dillion raced for JGR, he would be winning every week?

I wonder how much was paid for that competitive data?

So with a bit of swiped information Austin Dillon in an RCR car was far better then all four Gibbs cars. Interesting.

My guess is a ballast issue. I could see NASCAR saying we'll give you the lesser under-weight penalty in exchange for you not appealing since that would cause playoff grid chaos this week.

Maybe that is why that high level guy left Track house a few weeks ago.....

Minimum weight is very black and white. If the weight is off the car can gain a fraction of second advantage each lap over many drivers. So no appeal panel would overturn a weight DQ and restore cars position intentional or not. That's why teams don't appeal weight penalties.

Maybe they don’t want nascar looking more at Hendricks other teams. 🧐

Lol maybe this scandal is a sign I should email my aerospace master's CV to JGR right now haha xD

Good video Steven. Crazy Hendrick not appealing

I’m still so gutted. The absolute worst way to get bounced out. He might’ve gotten knocked out in the round of 8 anyway, but he didn’t even get a chance. I dint even know if I want to watch the end of the season 😞

Drama in the pits! Lovin it! What's to appeal? You run a car over a scale how do you appeal the car being under weight? It either is or isn't under weight right?

He took their best driver and now he needs their setups. Makes sense 😂

With Hendricks successful appeals last year, didn’t NASCAR change the process that now makes it even more impossible to win an appeal?

Obviously Ty Gibbs say something on RCR which of course people would get that clip as the evidence since it is an odd coincidence of RCR get the speed out of nowhere.

Look……… it doesn’t take an engineer to realize “THEY WERE UNDER WEIGHT ALREADY!!!!!” The thing that was flying through the air on the 34 in car was either a piece of tire rubber or a piece of the carbon fiber diffuser…. That isn’t going to make a huge difference in weight…. The lack of weight had to be in the 10-20 pound range for Hendrick not to appeal.

Ounces add to pounds, pounds cost lap time. Especially on a road course with all the speed and direction changes. I can see every team trying to push that weight limit to the last quarter ounce. #48 team just pushed it a little too far. Often times, it's better to be lucky than good, #22!

Beyond, "Why make it close?" Eric, we have to ask, "Why not check?" Why are there not week-to-week checks of the car weight, to avoid such a black-and-white rule? And for those that may claim there are, no, there clearly aren't, when we have had this issue repeat several times, and now with the most notable of teams in a playoff scenario. It's a ridiculous omission and, to me, would be a simple check.

They were afraid that nascar would ask them what fell of the car!! Knaus has lost his touch….