Great, descriptive video. Incredibly helpful. On a side note, the “shot size” on the case of shotgun shells determines the size of the pellets. If comparing a 12 gauge and 16 gauge shell of the same shot size, the 12 gauge will have more pellets, even if both are 3 inch shells being used as an example. The “gauge” of a shotgun/shell is referring to the diameter. For example, a 12 gauge 3 inch shell has more “girth” than a 3 inch 16 gauge, 20 gauge, .410 and so on. So I would assume the 12 gauge in the game has more pellets, but there is a big variable there. A 16 gauge 3 inch can potentially have more pellets than a 12 gauge 3 inch depending on shot size between the two shells being compared.
I love your vids, they do inspire a decent bit of my WoTH sciencing, plus you seem to not mind digging in the official discord as much as I do. The bell curve for population peaked my interest, and i have been working a herd management test anyways. Sooooo, I went back to data from my year one culling. That three days i harvested 27 low fit animals from one primary habitat. When i made bins of 10-14.9 fitness, 15-19.9 fitness, 20-24.9 fitness, etc up to 50% and then binned the 27 low fit animals, it was a perfect half bell curve. The bins of 5% fitness below 30% were all at most one animal. Then stepped up to 5 animals in the 30% bin and maxed at 45% bin with 7 animals. Currently working the first day in year 5, and the impact is pretty impressive, and should make a nice discord piece, for nerds like me anyways.
Wow that is a lot of work. CM Michal had explained in the discord a while back that the developers based it on a bell curve. That's awesome that your results match and reinforce it. What I discuss in the video is pretty much my gathered knowledge of herd management stuff from the devs and player base. Most of it is from my memory. Which is not a reliable source 😆
@bumblewoot it wasn't that bad, and even looking at what there was to cull in year 4, the impacts of 3 years of good culls was pretty noticeable, I thought. Should have it posted in a little bit, with all the other topics mininovels that I have done
I have been playing since release on PC and then PC stopped working so I got Xbox S and honestly happy I bought this game again. I knew I was doing stuff wrong I just shot everything but now I'm gonna actually do management correctly.
Thanks for the info! I didn't know that the mature ones still have some other meaning than decorating trophy lodge. 😂 I have been shooting all the matures regardless of their fitness level. 😅 Adults and youngs I left alone. 😇🦌 Also photo mode usage and coat color difference was nice to know. 👍
hi - interesting watch - great intake on your views of the herd management - in one of your last video's herd management you said would not make much of video - but that was 40mins video of useful info - simple drawing to explain , everyone will take this info and use it as that person see's fit - i'm 4 days in with the game and i love to listen to people explain this . without this info i could not work out for myself the game would lose it's appeal......love to watch bumblewoot and ronMctube
Thanks! You are correct. I did say that. Because the basic idea of herd management can be explained with one sentence really. Shoot low fit and only low fit for a long time 😃. But I thought about your idea of a herd management video and realized there is quite a lot to it. Then I wasn't sure if I should attempt the video because I wasn't sure on how to explain it all clearly.
Lol, I searched management after seeing your last video because i didn't think I've watched your herd management videos at least not all of them. So you just explained it exactly like i tried to in text. The only thing I'm doing different is after learning that the racks can really identify if its low or mid fitness i do shoot youngs and adults at one star. The way i do it is find the smallest worst racks and shoot them, maybe two at most. After new spawns i reevaluate and shoot the worst ones that are there. So if a new spawns young 1 star has a better less wonky rack than say a now adult 1 star that i didn't cull, the. Ill take that 1 star adult, then rinse and repeat until the best most symmetrical racks get to the last mature age and take them while still culling young to mature that have the less symmetrical racks. Eventually your bell curve average stays higher and you get better spawns. After a few years my replacements eventually become better and the ones i think are the worst racks start becoming 60%+ fitness and i get hardly any lower fitness than that. You have to cull the most wonky less symmetric racks every year or the ones you dont cull that are left start bringing the bell curve back left
Bumble man you did it again. Thanks for all the info but this herd management sounds like work. I'll just stick with muddling my way though kinda shooting my rabbits with the canon. LOL Loved the vid! 😉
I would agree it's work. I stick with the fun casual stuff. But some people do find managing this stuff fun. And I can see why. It can be neat. This isn't explained anywhere really, and it may be of interest to newer players. If not, it's good to know the basics of how it works 😃
@@bumblewoot, this looks like great fun. I'm sure there are a lot of players that enjoy that stuff but for me, I'll just happen on a few 5 stars where ever I find them. LOL
Just found your channel! This is a great video. I’d rather have a longer video of someone being real instead of all these chopped up videos. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Check out the Way of the Hunter toolbox website. I do not have the link handy, but I do have a video on it somewhere. Just search Way of the Hunter toolbox =)
I love the idea of this game and its gameplay but I end up with no plan and get bored. Hoping watching this video will give me some goals to strive for.
There are missions for every map. Do they not work as a goal? Hunting games are indeed very open ended. It is very much a self driven kind of game. My goals are usually based around just trying to get better at the game =)
Starting on whitetail today. Hoping this helps. I’ve found all my zones, selected my zones. Just struggling with the “shooting down zones” and getting stuff how I need it. (WhiteTail)
The info in the guide still holds true. It is basically how the herd management was designed. What is not known is how much the player can manipulate the bell curve. Some say they can notice a difference, and I think this is true. But for casual play I'm not sure herd management is very applicable.
It is optional but you will have way more 5 stars on your map if you heard manage them, than you would have without herd manage. On my map i can now go to 5 places to hunt and in those 5 places together i have 4 5 stars in total. Time to cash in and fill my lodge. With this video every5hing will be even better. Thanks.
Yup, all those pass ups on good looking 3s and 4s totally pays off in the end. Just a few trophies left and have the whole Nez lodge filled with 5s amd a few 4s and rares.
Great video, i'm new to the channel, and am working to understand the mechanics. Do you have any good tips for herd management on predators like bears? They don't really appear in herds, so is it then just a lottery?
That is a very good question. I do not believe we ever got a full confirmation on predators; however, it is a safe assumption that a new predator spawn will simply take the average fitness of the whole habitat when calculating the fitness of the new animal. For gameplay practices culling is the same though. Shoot the ones that come to the low fit call or are one star mature. Happy hunting 😃
Great video. Been looking for much of this info with no luck till I found this video. Only one thing i don't think you mentioned that I'm wondering... how many in game days is a year of an animals life?
Three in game days is 1 year. Later videos talk about finding out which day is the first day of a year and how to make a basic calendar in the toolbox as a day counter =) Make sure to hunt for at least 1 in game hour per day to make sure the day counts towards the year. If you sleep too quick the day will not count towards the year
A player can observe the antlers or horns. If they look wonky and are not even then chances are they are lower fit. But it is not always the case. It takes a long time to get to know the antlers and horns but it can be done
How in the world do you make your thumbnails? Have been meaning to ask cause they are so unique. Also it's crazy that you almost always make 30-40 minute videos. I enjoy it but I find that the kiddos these days only have an attention span of about 30 secs. This is my personal channel but I have a gaming channel and I now only make CotW, WotH and theAngler shorts. I used to make 10-20 minute videos but only had a retention rate of like 30-45 seconds lol
Hi Greg! Great comment lol. You speak the truth with the retention span stuff. With Way of the hunter I somehow stumbled upon a core group of great people who play the game and enjoy my simple format and style. All of the other games on the channel pretty much have no retention though. For me that is ok, as my channel doesn't have normal RU-vid goals. It's a creative output for me. Which brings me to your question on thumbnails. I probably put just as much effort into the thumbnail Art as I do the video 😆. They are mostly created with midjourney ai. Some have manual edits and some are straight out of the ai generation. Most ai images and art all need manual touch ups. But my hobby has now become ai art stuff for the last year. Like anything, people get better with practice. Most ai images people make are quite poor because they just dabble for fun. And that's good too. But I'm at a point where I can produce a huge variety of styles at a pretty high level of quality. It is rarely as good as art created from an individual, but it can get pretty close. I think it's a fascinating creation process. For me, playing a game leads to art and image ideas, which has turned into some kind of unique hobby lol.
Honestly I'm new to the game and I just want to know what animals I should be taking out/killing so what should I be killing the 1 star adults or what?
One star matures and anything that comes to the low fit call. That's about it. Herd management isn't required though. You can just hunt what you like if you wish
@@bumblewoot that's kind of sad. Because if you really think about it, it's based off genetics and if you have multiple of one fur type in one zone you would think they would populate more of that fur type. I am by no means a game producer but I think that would be a cool mechanic in the game.
Hey. Holden the Jack is a better side by side 12 ga. probably why its so expensive. I've hunted a lot of birds and i've seen a noticable difference. Havent tried it on tier 5 though
The two 12ga side by sides that came with the game are supposed to be equal. Just supposed to be cosmetic. You're having better performance from the one compared to the other?
@@clarenceberghout4954 maybe there is a difference. This game always has surprises. This is something I probably won't test 😆 but maybe I'll bring them both next hunt
Can any one help new player only 10 hours killed several animals ,but I don't have access or able to buy any callers ,do I have to do more missions plenty of money even for rifles can buy them either? I give up .......
From what I've seen, a player must cull the herds constantly and fairly quickly many times to see the fitness improve noticeably. And then you have to give all the new ones time to grow up while culling the whole time. Some people enjoy it, but I do not harvest fast enough to have much of an impact at all I believe
@@dadsacyco3852 yeah it won't be the same. New animal fitness spawns are created randomly along a bell curve. That's how it's been explained to me anyways
Strange. I got my first 5 star bull at the very beginning, while searching for bear. It was my third bull from the start... Today I got my second 5 star one, but that obe I "managed" by letting him live through this 4 stars 😅
2:30 - "The fitness is what governs the overall score of the animal" 3:05 - "Does the fitness change? No it does not." 3:20 - "As it grows the score grows as well" Whaaaat? How can the score grow, if the fitness does not and the fitness is what governs the score?
Fitness sets the max score the animal can be by it's last year of it's life. It is assigned at spawn and will be static for the animals existence. The score increases as the animal ages. The fitness determines how much the score increases with each year.
@@bumblewoot this is true, a 4-bore is massive, and a 12 gauge is bigger than a 16 which is bigger than a 20 and so on. The bore size equates to a the number of spherical balls of lead that would fit that barrel size to add up to 1 pound in weight. So a 12 bore is bigger than a 16 because you’d need 16 balls of that size before you’ve got 1lb of shot, whereas you’d only need 12x at the 12 gauge size because each ball would be bigger. Thought of another way, it’s the denominator of the fraction of 1lb of lead that would make a spherical ball of shot the same size as the bore of the gun. Smaller the number the bigger the barrel and vice versa.
@@bumblewoot not quite. 12x 12ga = 1lb and 16x 16ga = 1lb, but the use of this measure relates purely to barrel size. For one thing, in reality nobody is firing 1lb of shot. A typical shotgun load is perhaps an ounce or so is normal for a pheasant. Shot sizes are a separate measurement, though again they are reversed with No.1 shot being bigger than No.9 shot. No.5 or No.6 being typical for a pheasant. For any given shot size, the larger the gauge, the more pellets of that shot size the barrel can fire (all other things being equal). If you want to imagine the shot is grouped in a ball again for a moment, 1/12th lb is bigger than 1/16th lb, so for a fixed individual pellet size you have more pellets in a larger gauge to make up that weight. So 12ga typically has more pellets than a 16ga where the same length of cartridge and the same shot size is used.
Many players agree on the discord that herd management is not required. My experience agrees with them as well. While I do not have tons of trophies, they all have not been herd managed. On Transylvania the fourth hog I shot ever was on Ranger and it was a near 500 score
@bumblewoot whatever , your right. Devs always tell the truth , the things you "learned" are all 100 percent on , no one could lnow something you don't , I'm out , not worth the hassle.
@@bumblewoot I'm living proof you don't have to herd manage. I don't have time or patience. The 13th animal I killed in the game was my first white tail deer and it was a 98.91% 5 star. He almost ran me over where I was sitting. LOL Good on you for that boar! I'm still looking for one.
Best thing to do is just log in and play the game and hunt how you want to hunt. No need to get caught up on size if you just want to enjoy the simulation. One thing I will say is Bumblewoot has spent more hours talking to the devs and researching things in this game than almost anyone else for one reason. He is trying to help the community understand and make a better experience when we log in. He doesn't have to do anything but he does. And I will say everything he says in his video is 100% and is not bullshit. I've proven to myself in my game those things he says are true. So believe what you want but play more and just have fun. Also don't be upset that you don't have what someone else has. Maybe you just need to put more time in on the map.
@IYFproductionsSL thanks! If players are not on the official discord, it would be very difficult for players to figure this stuff out. The in-game encyclopedia does not explain many things. I certainly do not believe I'm always correct as no one can be in this game. Part of the developers strategy is to intentionally keep the info unclear to the player. So we will never know some things. It has a good and bad side to it. I do not believe this sort of info is anywhere else on RU-vid. All guides are from when the game first came out, and none of this was known then. Some of this was only ever revealed on the official discord as far as i know. And your 5 star whitetail is indeed a perfect example. It would have just spawned with super high fitness on its own. Thanks for the support 😀
Most information I provide in the video is information gathered from the developers from the discord over the past year. As well as my experience and player testing and feedback. Which parts are incorrect?
So I had recently wrote up something similar on friends discord. Over a decent period of time, from my observations, all respawns happen on the first day of a new year, both shot animals and ones replaced old animals that die. I started a herd management exp on the highland forest caribou. So I am guessing that is about 17 herds. Year 1, I culled 27 low fit bou. In year two I only had about 15 low fit bou. So we will see how it goes foe year 3.
@@bumblewoot I think he needs more time on the maps. Possibly following some of the places you hunt in the vids. They are pretty good spots, like that one down SE of Vlokov's cabin, where all the big mule and white tail deer seem to live.
