Here’s everything wrong with Georgia’s attack on Montana LLCs 

“Let’s not disregard the fact, that sales taxes on used items are utter tyranny.” -Ed Bolian

Ed gets very educational when he is angry.

Happy Halloween everyone! Who is dressing up as a Georgia Department of Revenue official this evening? Scariest costume of them all.

States are gonna state. Sad stuff. Got passed by a new 911 today with Montana tags, I'm in NC, made me smile.

When I moved to GA 3 years ago I went to title my car in GA. When I moved, I owned my car outright, never made payments and had always been in my name. My car itself was worth about $5,000 but they valued it at $8,000. So I essentially had to pay the state the tax just to "re-buy" my own car at a higher value than it was worth.

Ahh... the rebuttal we've all been waiting for.

We won't spend much more time on the Montana issue here on the VINwiki channel (unless one of the two subjects of the investigation want to come in and tell their side of it) but I wanted to get some of these thoughts out there to clarify a lot of unanswered questions.

And this, boys and girls, is how you form an argument.

How in the hell can a state tax you on vehicles you bring into the state when you move there??!!!! You Georgians need to march on the Capitol and end that BS

In this episode Ed explains what drove him to libertarianism.

Can we just talk about how dope the Montana tag looks for a second

As a Montana State resident, the reason vehicle registration is so cheap and accessable is because cars are a necessity for daily life because of how rural and spread out it is here. That's also the reason we have Permanent tags so you don't have to register your car every year if it's older than 10 years

Ed comes along, puts a band-aide on my wound, kisses my forehead and I feel much better. Thanks.

States I will never reside in, due to onerous government policy: 1. California 2. Virginia And now: 3. Georgia

Solid video, lots of great information, presented well, and hit just about every point of this rising problem

I love how eloquently you’ve handled this whole situation while keeping all parties (including the audience) happy.

Also, I wish the current media would take a lesson from Ed. Shows both sides of the story, then gives his informed opinion with a disclaimer. I yearn for the days of objective reporting. Dilly dilly!

The car belongs to a Montana LLC. The LLC is based in Montana, obviously. No matter where the car is, how much time it spends abroad from the state, it still belongs to the Montana LLC. Even if the “owner” of the car and the LLC is a resident of Georgia, the LLC on paper and in legal terms is the owner of the car. Georgia needs to get over it

So basically, the best advice is "never move to Georgia"...

Ed for Georgia tax commissioner!

VOTE BOLIAN / RABBIT 2020

I moved from TN to Georgia(about a 5 mile move) and I was unaware of the rediculous world of TAVT. When I was made aware that my 15 year old Silverado with 260k on the dash and significant cosmetic damage was going to be taxed based on a 7,000 dollar book value I just said no thanks and chose to roll the dice. The ticket for an expired tag in our county is $100. TAVT on my $1,000 old truck would be nearly 5 times that. It took me nearly 4 years to finally get cited for my expired tag. In those 4 years my truck's book value fell enough that I came out a bit ahead after the ticket and TAVT. Made me proud to be an American. #taxationistheft

I bought a sandwich in Ohio, do I have to eat it before traveling back to MI? No sales tax on prepared food in OH, but tax in MI

I'm all for finding the best tax code for your situation. But if you sign a paper saying you're going to take your car out of Georgia and you don't, you should expect bad things to happen when people pay attention.

The rare passionate Ed showed up for this video. Usually we get shrewed negotiator Ed. :)

This just in, state of Georgia population down 500,000 losing millions in tax revenue

I'm tempted to register my daily driver Toyota Corolla with Montana plates just to stick it to the Georgia Department of Revenue. Come at me, bro!

There should never be taxes on used items, it's just double dipping. A new item is taxed and that should cover it for the life of the item regardless of it changing hands down the road.

Sounds like a piece of land with a garage just over the border in SC is looking good for the Georgian exotic owner.

Never got the, 'I'm rich, deal with it' feel from Ed until this video.

Ed your presentation was 100% perfect you couldn't say better I think that controversy will leave more questions than answers for most of the GA exotic cars community

If anyone understands this, it's Ed! Georgia's government ans financial services should watch this video and realize they may make a few million after all of the taxes are recovered, but they will lose much more than that in the long run.

I agree entirely that it is Tyranny for having to pay sales tax on used vehicles.

Ed just wanted to say you deliver your stories and drive home the point perfectly. love the channel

this is the info we’ve all be waiting for and needed. much appreciated.

Love the Channel and the VINwiki app thanks guys

Ed Bolian would be the obvious choice for spokesman for the entire anti-TAVT movement! Hell, he'd be the obvious choice for spokesman for anything! A VERY well spoken, eloquent, and articulate individual, for sure!

finally some context about this TATV situation in Georgia, from someone who has some intimate awareness. I'm from another country but have been following the developments on VinWiki. Thanks Ed!

Meanwhile in Massachusetts Car tax, si tax (tax on car every year), tolls, yearly inspection on car $35,, registration fees every few years and guess what the roads are some of the worst in the country. I don't know where this money goes

I like Ed's taste of cars to picks vehicle ownership. Man the government shady business. Owning a exotic car is a stress reliever. I know who to call if I have any questions... Ed

New Hampshire, Arizona, Oregon, South Carolina... take your pick 😎

I feel like Ed would make a great Pirate Captain

So long story but I'm fighting this exact situation. I bought my 458 back in August and had it registered through a Montana LLC. I own the car outright and bought it from a Texas owner and had the title and everything. I did not have plates but I drove the car with a bill of sale showing I owned the car for less than 2 weeks and even had my Montana paperwork but not the actual plates (in the mail). I get pulled over for "speeding", I don't want to mention how fast because the officer did not clock me. Anyways, she wants my info and I give her my Nebraska license, scanned copy of my Montana registration, as well as a bill of sale, and proof of insurance was on my phone. She not only didn't believe I owned the car but started questioning how I could afford the car and etc when I told her to run the VIN, it will not come up stolen in any database as I was the legal owner. She calls for backup and next thing you know I have a half a dozen sheriff SUVs and a K-9 unit. All for a TRAFFIC stop. She claims my insurance is invalid (completely valid, I'm in the insurance business), and that the car wasn't legally registered. I showed her Nebraska law that showed that even if I had Montana plates, I would be fine as I have 30 days to register the car (unless I had the car registered in Wyoming or North Carolina), not to mention, I technically would be fine running Montana plates because as Ed stated, tons of people in many states use this to their advantage. Long story short, I got a ticket for NO PROOF of OWNERSHIP, no insurance, and something regarding having "fake plates" when I had just a local dealership's plates on (like an ad for a buddy's dealership). I fought this in court and long story short, my lawyers got everything thrown out since I was looking at misdemeanors with $5,000 worth of fines and up to 6 months in jail. The officer even showed up to my court date to try to tack on a speeding ticket as well. Absolutely ludicrous and cops seriously need to find better things to do like stopping criminals like murderers instead of alleged tax cheats like myself.

I absolutely understand if people believe the laws and unfair, oppressive and unacceptable. I absolutely agree that state taxes are meant to make a state preferable to other states. I even agree that the current Georgia taxes make little sense. However, just because you don't like a law does not mean you get to ignore it. You can fight to change the law into something that makes more sense, you can move to another place with better laws. Sure exotic car owners may experience financial hardship and may have to sell some of their cars. Their businesses may experience slower growth. But if they could afford to own exotic cars they were not putting the money into salaries and growth, and they have enough income to afford paying the taxes.

Phenomenal video, mr. B. Great breakdown of that situation and the cascading effects of something most will brush off as trivial or outside the scope of their life

I cringe too, at all of the heavy handed, governmental overreach.

Well thats a solid reason to not move to atlanta when I already fully own my car

Great video Ed. This really cleared up a lot of my questions with this situation. Can't wait for my Montana taxation shirt to come in!

Fantastic public speaking ability, covering a host of great points without terrible brain - mouth pauses, watched this a second time and it's still very solid.

Sales tax on used cars, yearly property tax on used cars. All this is TYRANNY taxes to be taxes. Im paying taxes YEARLY on a 40 year old motorcycle with historic tags. Its fucking disgusting. I know plenty of people with tiny property in Montana for this reason. We left Britian for TAXES AND TYRANNY yet here we are.

This dude is actually a genius low key

I always love watching videos that Ed makes I always learn something I didn't know every time I watch and it's very educational to me

Doug Tabbutt = nice cars, Ed = not nice cars. Got it.

The amount of stuff Ed knows about cars that goes beyond just cars themselves is crazy.

You articulate your point very well and intelligent.. you clearly understand the problem and solutions.. they should scrap the investigation and put you in charge..

Ed for president. Can i get an AMEN!

Love this man!!! Watched his every story!!!!!!!!!!😀

Last time I was this early, I hadn’t seen Ed so incensed...get em, Ed!

Love how you incorporated Henry David Thoreau

At the end of the day, Ed has the best analogies on youtube.

Excellent response ed. This is why i come to this channel.

Ed, please become the next President of the United States of the World.

MOVE. Take the revenue right out of Georgia.

I can completely envision Ed as a go to car correspondent for TV News channels. He has the voice and presence for it. Go get em Ed!

Ed, you are the man! 😎👍

I say, "Live Free or Die", baby! Let them register cars here for all I care, beyond the fact we have no sales taxes whatsoever. And there is no insurance requirements in NH either.

GA really is overreaching with this. Well spoken rebuttal of their tatics. There are so many ways this could have gone down nicely but they are not doing it that way.

My favorite point is when he talks about going after Uhaul and UPS trucks I would love to see Georgia go after these companies and see how far they get!!

Ed, that was a great and powerful statement to close this video. Keep up the great work!

It’s an advantage to live in a military town because military members can legally keep their vehicles registered in their home state of record so we have plates from every state in the union here!

Thanks for making this video. 100% how I feel too. Especially your comment about states collecting tax every time a vehicle changes hands.

You can fill a form out to argue the state value of your car down to pay less. My dad was the first to do it in my town and he argued the value of the car by half and was refunded half of what he already payed to the state.

They gotta fund those pensions somehow.

I have no idea what you're talk about but enjoy listening to you!!!! Previous vidieos I understood!!!

"Ed Explains" is a new series I'm pitching.

To the person who you say is paying this tax or hiring someone... how about they hire someone and drive a 10,000 used wrx not a supercar. No one "living on the ragged edge", owns a supercar....

Thank you for your channel the vinwiki crew rock thumbs up stay Awsome.

That’s why we like you Ed

Ed, you are a gentleman and a scholar! I enjoyed your perspective on taxation. Keep up the great work!

If you look at the license plate on the back of semi truck trailers, almost all are from Maine. Apparently Maine has some crazy loophole that you can register trailers there for little money and no inspections.

Sound bite at 4:53 - 5:03 best explanation of how taxes work in history! Well said Mr. Bolian

I was genuinely considering moving to Georgia because of the car culture, huge airport, and the architecture there. But I think I'll just stay here in Arizona, where things tend to not get messed with.

Ed is a savior from heaven! Thank you😀

I swear Ed is a genius

I bought a car from my dad and titled in GA. They appraised the car at 5k more than I paid. I paid the taxes and was told I could submit a form to recalculate the cars value. Did that. 3 weeks later I was sent a check for the difference of taxes I should’ve paid based on what I actually paid versus the valuation determined by the state. Most people don’t know this.

Rhode Island has something similar to Tatv. I bought a rusty $1800 Miata with 220,000miles, but we have something called a CPI (Cars of particular interest). It’s a list of more desirable or (collector) cars. Most cars in RI are taxed by KKB value. But cars on the CPI list are valued on a special book value. So even though I overpaid for my $1800 rusty 220k mile Miata, the DMV still valued it at $6500. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Miata sell for more then $5k I’m the past 5 years. The list can be incredibly vague too. The Miata and RX7 are specifically on the list, but also on the list they just list BMW. So according to this list, a 2002 BMW X3 is just as desirable as a M3/M4/M5 or any other BMW. They do this for Mercedes as well. The car tax in this entire country is a complete mess.

Thank God I'm in South Carolina where sales tax is 500 maximum. Sure we pay property tax every year but it's not that bad

Didn’t really know about TAVT, I literally will not move to Georgia because of this. I just paid $5k in taxes/title/fees here in FL, not going to do it again just because GA didn’t get a cut of it initially.

It is not an attack, it is getting rich people to pay their fair share. I wish them luck.

I recently bought a car for $7,000. I didn't mind the $7k, or the insurance increase, or the cost of registration, or even the eventual cost of maintenance. What bothered me was the check I had to write for $490 in sales taxes, on a used car, and the amount I'll pay each year until it's 15 years old in excise taxes. The government doesn't even do an adequate job paving streets and yet they seem entitled to a large (relatively speaking) chunk of cash. Thieves is all they are.

According to NADA I have $84,225 worth of cars. If I moved to GA @ 7% taxes I would have to pay $5,900 just to bring my cars in? My cars are more realistically worth $20,500 But I paid nothing close to that because they were all clapped out hoops.

Just downloaded the VINWiki app. Pretty good so far.

Very good rebuttal. Obviously many strange laws in Georgia. Just for the record if buying a car new or used here in NJ Its a 6 pct tax to title plus the price of registration and tags is additional. Did I mention that each of my motorcycles cost $65 except my antique but to register my Toyota is $42.50. For all the rich people crying , most all of us not only pay interest on the loan of the car but also pay interest on the sales tax that is usually amertised into the loan if you buy inside the state. So do I feel bad that the rich don't like paying. No.

Excellent video Ed! As others have stated, you were very well spoken and presented some excellent arguments. I love watching your videos and what you are doing with VINwiki; it's very inspiring and I hope you keep on finding success. Keep up the great work!

If a small business owner is having so much trouble hiring, paying, or expanding their business shouldn’t they be using the the money for that instad of buying a supercar that just site in a garage and really used? It’s no different then a poor person using their money to buy cigarettes, iPhones etc.

in this case Taxation = Theft. even with a friend of mine he bought a subaru legacy gt 2.5l Turbo 5sp that had a blown motor for $1000. he bought a replacement motor (EJ20DET) and installed it him self. he was charged 460 dollars for his registration. 300 of witch was tax because they put it in kbb and chose the highest dollar amount as its value. witch was around 5500 bucks. if this car was sold again as it sits now it will most likely get 3500 bucks.

This is like the same reason the revolution was started

Very well said Ed! You can be objective when appropriate but still entitled to your own PERSON opinion.

Such an articulated gentleman. Ed, you’re a Legend.

Ed you are the real MVP. Respect!