Kyle is as good as anyone on EV RU-vid at giving you a sense of what it's like to operate a car. Always feel like I have a good sense of the vehicle's performance characteristics after watching his review.
Excellent video Kyle! Thanks for finding the answer to my question regarding regen and slippery surfaces. I like the idea of a snow/mud mode for them to work on. Good stuff!
What an amazing video. Simultaneously relaxing snowy drive but thrilling driving. I feel asleep in the best way. Some back to watch again. Extremely unique vibe in this one.
Looks awesome! I bet they'll improve the traction control capabilities over time to resolve the rear wheel lock at slow speed and make conserve mode work better on snow. Seems like relatively easy fixes.
They need spray washers for lights like many high end suv and trucks have had for years. Inexpensive system to add in manufacturing just needs to be requested.
Very good review. Thank you! It’s normal for a vehicle (ICE or EV) in “rock crawl” mode to have more axle lock to keep you from rolling in very loose grip, off camber situations. “Sand, snow or drift” modes allow for more of a “rolling stop” to avoid locking the axles and causing you to drift.
I was arguing with some know-nothing know-it-all on instagram about this. He thinks that locked diffs should be simulated and that's it and everything else is inferior. I was pointing out to him that this system is completely different (and better) in terms of capabilities and behavior.
@@TheBowerbird yep every systems have their own advantages but the locking diff is just another advantage that ICE have, ICE also have similar feature compared go EVs based on traction control, Toyota Atrack for example and even crawl control.
@@TheBowerbird yeah you can't actually simulate a locked diff with a quad motor setup. Wheel speed is a function of power and available traction. If the wheel breaks traction it will spin until TC reacts. Without a mechanical connection between wheels it is folly to try and get them to rotate at precisely the same speed.
Thank you so much for this video! I have been seeing on the various blogs where there are issues with the R1T in snow, and we will be getting snow here in the mountains of NC very soon! What people are writing on the blogs has me very worried as I do no want to damage my truck, and if you look at some of the comments it would seem that driving on snow would not work out well! I have the R1T Launch Edition with the standard 20 inch Pirelli AT tires. I am happy to see you achieved good results during your testing. I look forward to the "Snow Mode" which is due to be in the next software update and hopefully before snow starts falling here!
I'm concerned about the headlights in slushy and icy conditions. Maybe it's nothing. "4wd and chains required" - Kyle takes it at 25 mph in a $100k loaner truck. Great review of slippery surfaces. I hope you give some of that regen locking the rear feedback back to Rivian.
Past Mercedes had headlight washers and wipers (lots of snow in Germany). They worked well. The washers could use deicer fluid. Maybe its time to resurrect that tech.
Rivian pre-prod trucks were support vehicles of a TV series (Long Way Up) with Ewan McGregor & Charley Boorman. Rivian had to build the charging infrastructure for the two electric bikes along with the Rivian R1T. Both the Harley Electric bikes and the R1Ts handled the journey from Patagonia to California. Considering both the bikes and the R1T were pre-production models, they were impressive.
I remember my 1st gen chevy Volt would lock the rear wheels when regen'ing in snow/ice to the point that I started wondering if I only had ABS on the front. Hopefully Rivian adjusts their rear regen for slippery conditions
As a Canadian, I had to click on this. One of the things that is so unfortunate about the amazing potential of this video is that it doesn't currently have a controled-decent capability. A couple of other tribes about this, but I think they'd be able to fix them via OTA updates. Definitely keeping my eyes on this one.
I know this was a year ago, however I am using these videos to build my knowledge for my Rivian build. I am not sure how external cameras can be mounted, because your great explanations I am having difficulties picturing, but they are great. Your other channel is very informative as well.
@20:20 I had the low friction regen experience in my tesla, the regen would reduce immediately as it came into ice and started to slip to keep the back wheels from locking up and sliding. My fear was it would act as you experienced in the Rivian which is not good.
Rivian has to do some work on the regeneration. For situations where one is on a slippery surface currently it would probably be better to turn off the regen. Question though if one was travelling faster did it react the same? How often would one want to still be using the regen when your down to 10K? I would be interested to see a test similar to this one only with the vehicle maxed out with its carrying load. Most buyers are probably going to be using the vehicle as a family car, but there are people like myself that used pickups as work vehicles and always have a load in the box and occasionally over the GVW.
Great reviews! Looks like a great truck, but I hope you relay this issue (downhill lockup, which is really bad in low traction as your point out) to Rivian Corporate. You look like someone with a lot of experience in the snow, EVs, and offroading - get someone who is not and ends up in this situation, this could be very very dangerous. Hope Rivian can come up with an elegant fix!
Auto manufacturers can add a heating element to the headlight housing to keep snow and ice from forming. Similar technology they have on the rear window of every single car out, have defrost feature. Especially on these high end $100 k and up vehicles. But that’s just my opinion.
I know I'm late to the party, but a snow mode is a must from me, that's the only "adverse" conditions I'll ever likely drive in with any regularity. I hope they add it by this Winter!
I see snow mode came out today, any chance to do another similiar video in snow mode? Really want to see what the deal is with down hill control and if the wheels are still locking up in snow mode. One guy on the Rivian forum slid down his own driveway into a tree, I have a very long, very steep, and winding driveway. I also live in an area that with very steep windy roads, so this is important to me as a reservation holder. I know the vehicle weights 7k lbs, but locked wheels on declines etc is not going to help.
The regen causing wheel lock is odd. My BMW i3 with snow tires wouldn’t lock the rear wheels going downhill on ice, it would lower regen to avoid it. (And the i3 has strong regen.) Hopefully Rivian is watching and adds a mud/snow mode that allows spin on throttle while preventing wheel lock on regen.
This isn't on snow tires but that isn't a good excuse to be locking the axles.
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Weird, the "norsk elbilforening" tested just this on a frozen lake and every car, impressively enough did a fairly good job, certainly better that I would have expected from regen on slipper surfaces: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q512ojtMJrI.html I really suspect the cars disable regen while the car is slipping, but thats just me.
@@Fozzymandius "This isn't on snow tires but that isn't a good excuse to be locking the axles." Depending what the American definition of "snow tyres" is, Kyle showed the tyres: offroad 3PMSF winter tyres, that's snow tyres here in Olde Yurpland.
@@ObserverDingue There’s definitely wiggle room there. You’ll be allowed on a pass with AWD in most parts of the country with 3PMSF but they aren’t the same thing as dedicated snow tires. The requirements to get the symbol are quite low.
Can you weigh the truck? Some gas stations or truck stops will weigh the vehicle for a small fee. Some sites say the curb weight is ~5,886 lbs while other sites say ~7,173 lbs. Apparently the Rivian manual says 8,532 GVWR. Can you confirm that?
I'm in Colorado too and got an R1S on order... gotta say, not loving the fact it was locking the rear on the downhill like that, not very cool at all. For the average driver, you could see something like that rattling them for sure. Also would prefer to have more control over how much wheelspin I want in the snow - both from a safety perspective (because I trust my foot more than I do any traction mgmt system) and also fun factor. In other words, there should be a TC and stability FULL OFF mode. Let's hope Rivian address this via software OTA soon.
Kyle, can you compare to Taycan CT handling? I know it’s not an apples to apples with a truck to an estate, but I wanted to hear handling and suspension comments as you had some off-road experience with the CT, though I guess not slippery conditions.
Apples & oranges offroading on a dry lake bed, your wish was Kyle's command! Or you guys just think alike 🙂 (You probably saw this but I thought I'd just leave a reply here anyway) "We Take A Porsche Taycan & Rivian R1T To Their Top Speed In The Desert!" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-422xF4OQQO4.html
Can you check to see what noises the truck makes after a drive or waking it up from sleep? This was something I was not expecting from our Model Y which was our first EV. The car makes all kinds of clicking and whirling as it turns on/off the battery thermal mgmt system. It’s not very loud (really only hear it when parked in the garage) but I’m curious how the Rivian compares. Thanks for the fantastic content so far!
@@aussie2uGA yep, there’s actually several people complaining about it on the forums. Sounds like it only started with newer produced Model Ys over the last year or so which makes people think tesla changed something. But I’ve noticed ours has gotten quieter after about 4k miles on it. I know one of the sounds is the contactors, another is the octovalve, and another is the intake louvers opening and closing because I can see those moving behind the grill. Nothing major but just nosier than I expected. Curious if the R1T also has any noise while parked as well.
Love your channel! Getting my R1T next week on 21" tires. I am looking for your opinion on which tires I should get. I am considering the 275/50R21 Dunlop Winter MAXX SJ8 or Michelin XIce Snow. Would love some feedback. Happy Holidays!
I am from Colorado as you are but I have the 21" AS tires. Have you heard how they do in the snow. Didn't do my homework and now I have AS tires that are not the best in snow. Yes I know I could spend thousands of dollars and change them out but I don't want to spend more money on my Rivian. It is a much heavier vehicle yes just not much info out their on these tires in the snow. Any knowledge in this area?
Totally agree. The problem w the standard 21” wheels is that there are no winter tire option available. Not sure why rivian custom produced such a weird wheel/tire size.
in my opinion they would of made the front of the rivian look 10x better by not having the headlights look like nostrils. just by getting rid of that & implementing the headlight into the front led arc the rivian would of been my next truck. but again just my opinion & really hope their next generation truck gets a complete frunk redesign
about 14 or so years ago I put a set of Pirelli Scorpions on my Jeep Cherokee. By far worst tires I've ever owned. They would not stay balanced. Would go back and get them rebalanced and within a couple weeks Jeep would be shaking again. Had the tires removed with over half the tread left because it was so irritating. Replaced them with Bridgestones and never had the problem again. Said I'd never buy Pirelli again.
